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7 minutes ago, 5Mississippis said:

Leonard being upset may started with the Roommate Agreement discussions but it was the lack of support from his wife and watching her transform into Sheldon's groupie that made him 'pissy, more pissy, and whiney and then just threw a tantrum' as you say. It had nothing to do with moving or running or leaving to go anywhere else. As a matter of fact, that issue wasn't even brought up in the episode. Penny was not there for him, rather she supported Sheldon and the abusive Roommate Agreement -- which is something she knows Leonard has been complaining about for nine seasons. And even worse, we find out Penny's doing all this for self serving reasons. She doesn't care about the Roommate Agreement, so her 'we signed it … we need to support him' turns out to be bullshit too. 

We'll just agree to disagree.   I didn't like overly pouty Leonard.   It didn't sit right with me and it turned me off and it was uncharacteristic.  Sorry.  Again,  I didn't feel it was Leonard like.  Sorry it upset you so much that someone said something bad about Leonard (even though I felt it was more of a writer's issue writing him out of character.   And of itself said I wasn't happy with anyone in the episode,  except Bernie.   

And one more thing.  I know Sheldon and the RA is annoying,  but Penny had a point.   They did agree to it.  Sheldon loves having them there.   He would have given in to demands to change stuff.   It's not he doesn't know what kind of shit is in that agreement.   He didn't have to sign another one with similar terms.   Penny has learned to manipulate it to make it work for her.  If he doesn't want to make the move to leave,  maybe he should do the same. 

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4 hours ago, AllyAnne said:

I hate to say this, because I don't want it to happen, but I feel like this wedding redo is going to end with some kind of Lenny fight or separation.  Their body language/separate seating at the hospital....I think that was deliberate.  And showing the Shamy sitting together, leaning on each other...that was deliberate too.  On a happier note, I don't think there'll be an engagement but there'll be coitus...or a hint of it before it fades to black.

Nah, that's not the vibe I got. If she was angry or unhappy with Leonard, she wouldn't have suggested a wedding re-do in the first place. They seem totally fine in my opinion. As for the seating... wow, they don't sit next to each other, how dare they?! What body language are you talking about? They didn't look angry or annoyed at all. I think some of us are thinking way too much into this, but that's just my opinion.

If there were any hints that there's something boiling up between them, I would agree with you. But I honestly don't understand all the complaints about Lenny this season. They've been portrayed as a loving, married couple the entire time. All these posts about how there's gonna be Lenny drama and Shamy being in seventh heaven is just wishful thinking in my book.

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10 minutes ago, nickelette424 said:

We'll just agree to disagree.   I didn't like overly pouty Leonard.   It didn't sit right with me and it turned me off and it was uncharacteristic.  Sorry.  Again,  I didn't feel it was Leonard like.  Sorry it upset you so much that someone said something bad about Leonard (even though I felt it was more of a writer's issue writing him out of character.   And of itself said I wasn't happy with anyone in the episode,  except Bernie.   

Thank you for your concern about my feelings but people here regularly bash Leonard so I'm very used to it. 

12 minutes ago, nickelette424 said:

And one more thing.  I know Sheldon and the RA is annoying,  but Penny had a point.   They did agree to it.  Sheldon loves having them there.   He would have given in to demands to change stuff.   It's not he doesn't know what kind of shit is in that agreement.   He didn't have to sign another one with similar terms.   Penny has learned to manipulate it to make it work for her.  If he doesn't want to make the move to leave,  maybe he should do the same. 

Yes. Penny was right. They did agree to it -- after Leonard signed his release papers then Sheldon manipulated them into staying and Penny fell for it. So glad Penny learned manipulation from Sheldon -- probably somewhere after the toilet paper fines -- so life in 4A is easier for her but not necessarily her husband. And, best of all, the abuse of the Roommate Agreement lives on! 

Thank you, Penny! 

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5 minutes ago, 5Mississippis said:

people here regularly bash Leonard so I'm very used to it.

Umm, no. People regularly bash Penny here.

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That cause the show has turned in to the main 2 that can't do no wrong. While everyone else are portrayed as monsters.

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7 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

That cause the show has turned in to the main 2 that can't do no wrong. While everyone else are portrayed as monsters.

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You just made that up.

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That cause the show has turned in to the main 2 that can't do no wrong. While everyone else are portrayed as monsters.

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You just made that up.

No. Tptb made it up.

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I don't think their trying to make them monsters just big time losers

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3 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

No. Tptb made it up.

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Okay, that's your opinion. But saying that Sheldon and Penny can't do no wrong and everyone else is a monster, just because they kind of bonded in one episode? I think that's a little extreme. We all know that the stuff that happened in Thurday's episode will be completely forgotten in the next one. That's sad, yes, but it has always been like that.

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1 hour ago, FileXxX said:

Nah, that's not the vibe I got. If she was angry or unhappy with Leonard, she wouldn't have suggested a wedding re-do in the first place.

She has not suggested a redo in anything that has aired so far. So this has not happened.

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14 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Leonard has, previously, been impressed with/admired Raj dating two women, at the same time.

I want Amy to move in.

Shamy belong together.

I was talking admiring as it related to envy, and I still challenge anyone to show me proof that Leonard has showed envy with any of his friends since he got back with Penny.  Now he was giving Raj a guy complement when he called him a 'Playa' and he was amazed and impressed that it was Raj with two girls in the last episode.    As a guy you know how guys act with their friends about stuff like dating two girls at once, they kid them, call them a stud, compliment them, and guys without girlfriends say they wished they were them, like Stuart did.  But guys who are in a relationship with a girl they have feelings for don't have envy and either did Leonard or Howard.

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No. Tptb made it up.

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Okay, that's your opinion. But saying that Sheldon and Penny can't do no wrong and everyone else is a monster, just because they kind of bonded in one episode? I think that's a little extreme. We all know that the stuff that happened in Thurday's episode will be completely forgotten in the next one. That's sad, yes, but it has always been like that.

Penny has been horrible to leonard alot this season and most of it is uncalled for. I don't discriminate, if it was Leonard being horrible to penny I would also call him out. I think most of the criticism penny has got this season is justified. Penny is now married she should act like it.

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12 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

She has not suggested a redo in anything that has aired so far. So this has not happened.

Yeah, but we know she's going to suggest it in 9.23 if those tidbits are correct, and I'm sure they are. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Why would you call me out on that?

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10 minutes ago, SRAM said:

As a guy you know how guys act with their friends about stuff like dating two girls at once, they kid them, call them a stud, compliment them, and guys without girlfriends say they wished they were them, like Stuart did.

As a guy I don't even know anyone who admitted dated two girls at once. If I did know such a guy I could not not be his friend. 

 

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Could it be possible that because of the redo suggestion in 9.23, that the wedding in 9.24 is a dream sequence or them talking about it and what could happen, which turns out to be a disaster, having Leonards parents there, Mary finding out Shamy had sex and Raj's both girlfriends showing up, making the Hofstaders decide a real redo is not necessary.

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As a guy you know how guys act with their friends about stuff like dating two girls at once, they kid them, call them a stud, compliment them, and guys without girlfriends say they wished they were them, like Stuart did.

As a guy I don't even know anyone who admitted dated two girls at once. If I did know such a guy I could not not be his friend. 

 

Trust me there are a lot of guys who do. You probably wouldn't know about it because not all guys are like Raj who brag about it. Some men are smart enough to keep it on the down low and there are also a lot of women who do the same so I don't get why it's a biggie on here.

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2 hours ago, 5Mississippis said:

Leonard being upset may started with the Roommate Agreement discussions but it was the lack of support from his wife and watching her transform into Sheldon's groupie that made him 'pissy, more pissy, and whiney and then just threw a tantrum' as you say. It had nothing to do with moving or running or leaving to go anywhere else. As a matter of fact, that issue wasn't even brought up in the episode. Penny was not there for him, rather she supported Sheldon and the abusive Roommate Agreement -- which is something she knows Leonard has been complaining about for nine seasons. And even worse, we find out Penny's doing all this for self serving reasons. She doesn't care about the Roommate Agreement, so her 'we signed it … we need to support him' turns out to be bullshit too. 

Hi 5Miss,

Penny going behind Leonard back to get changes in the RA (to benefit her) really pissed me off and this is the same Penny that had the nerve to throw a fit over Leonard secret bank account -- I don't know who this Penny is as she has become a mini-Sheldon imo. The more Penny is around Sheldon the less I like her and that is sad because she is my second favorite character of the show.

I wish Leonard would move over to 4B and leave Penny with her new best friend as she doesn't have her husband Leonard's back when it counts. Who would want to be with either Penny or Sheldon after this. Really disappointed in where the writers have taken Penny since Season 7.

#FreeLeonard

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10 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Yeah, but we know she's going to suggest it in 9.23 if those tidbits are correct, and I'm sure they are. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Why would you call me out on that?

  1. I am skeptical about the tidbits as they were fragmentary and the scenario seems unlikely.
  2. Not every line spoken in a taping makes the cut.

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7 minutes ago, djsurrey said:
  1. I am skeptical about the tidbits as they were fragmentary and the scenario seems unlikely.
  2. Not every line spoken in a taping makes the cut.

Minor lines, yes. Changing that particular line would make a huge difference. I'm sure the taping info is right. It fits with the pictures we've gotten.

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2 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

I think the reason tptb had Penny support Sheldon was another reason to delay talking about or even lenny deciding to move to 4b. If they had Penny support Leonard then they would have had to bring up the living arrangements and lenny probably moved because they are angry at his rules and the RA. Now they don't have to bring it up, guess lenny are stuck in 4a for a while longer. (Great...) and I also don't think this episode (9x21) has anything to do with what will happen in the final. It just another way to delay and an excuse to carry on with the status quo of the living arrangement. Lenny are not moving anytime soon. :(

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You are probably right, Tonstart17, but the writers didn't do Penny any favors in having her side with Sheldon.  Once again Penny sides with the show's big baby and as usual it's at Leonard expense. 

As for not having to talk about or deal with supposedly married Lenny still living in 4A, it's still the elephant in the room that they created, even if they don't have the balls to do anything about it. If it is that much of a problem for the writers then here is a solution for them -- let Leonard move to 4B and let Penny and Sheldon stay in 4A as they are the two characters of the big 3 the writers seen to care about. See problem solved. lol

It's time for the writers to grow a pair!!!

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6 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Minor lines, yes. Changing that particular line would make a huge difference. I'm sure the taping info is right. It fits with the pictures we've gotten.

...well...

 

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8 hours ago, 5Mississippis said:

Wow. Just wow. 

For nine seasons we know that there have been Leonard uprisings in the past about his issues with the ridiculousness, absurdity, and injustice of the Roommate Agreement. And his behavior has been to 'just knuckle under', agree to Sheldon's demented rules just to make easier passage of your time in 4A. Leonard made his increasing frustrations clear on multiple occasions. And, not only is Penny aware of Leonard's frustration with this situation, she has called Sheldon crazy far too many times to count, she has also said that his Roommate Agreement rules are stupid (she even got banned from the apartment for breaking three of them -- an entire show was even dedicated to it) and she has encouraged Leonard to break the rules himself. 

That is the canon we are working from.

Fast forward to Game of Thrones night.

We learn from Leonard that quarterly meetings are far too often and that one of the highlighted items that will be debated is which raisin bran Sheldon should buy -- a cereal, by the way, only Sheldon would only be eating. 

WTF! 

Other than Sheldon, who seems to need to dedicate a lot of measures and thought into such a decision, why anyone would want to waste their time doing that is beyond me. 

So Leonard said enough is enough and he wasn't having any part of it. Good for you, Leonard. Stop enabling the crazy man (something Penny herself has said in the past). 

Enter Penny. 

Leonard, fully knowing what Penny has said and done in the past, asks for his wife's support. And he gets NONE. Not only does he absolutely NO support from Penny, he (and we in the audience) watch as Penny turns into Sheldon's supportive, card carrying minion in the church of Sheldon's fucking lunacy. 

'We signed the agreement. We need to support him.'

WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Is it REALLY PENNY that is saying THOSE lines?! Absolutely mind boggling. 

WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Why anyone is calling out Leonard for being upset and pissy is beyond me. Given what he knew about how Penny behaved and what she said in past, he had every right to be upset. Leonard's wife -- smart, sassy, put up with no bullshit Penny has officially become Sheldon-ized. 

WTF!

But wait -- we're still not done. 

Leonard finds out later that she is only manipulating Sheldon so she doesn't have to discuss anything with her husband, effectively bypassing Leonard, and making her own amendments to the Roommate Agreement. Yep. So, in effect, we find out that basically Penny does not really care about the Roommate Agreement, she only cares about manipulating Sheldon to get her way, serving her own needs, excluding her husband. What a way to get out of the toilet paper fines. 

Yep. That's how a loving  and caring wife behaves. 

The anti-Leonard bias is fantastically huge here because I see comments about Leonard's justifiably upset behavior -- but what about Penny? Has anyone called her out on her very crappy behavior here and being a manipulative self-serving bitch? 

Other than me, I mean. 

Where has the real Penny gone? :scratchhead:

Writers have just about destroyed all the things I loved about Penny in Season 9 and it it's sad for me say this. :dwarf:

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3 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

...well...

 

If you consider that Leonard and Penny didn't even think about a wedding at the start of 8.24 and got married one episode later, I'd say: Yes, they can pull it off. But I don't think it's going to be a wedding. More like a party. You know, for their anniversary.

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I think the reason tptb had Penny support Sheldon was another reason to delay talking about or even lenny deciding to move to 4b. If they had Penny support Leonard then they would have had to bring up the living arrangements and lenny probably moved because they are angry at his rules and the RA. Now they don't have to bring it up, guess lenny are stuck in 4a for a while longer. (Great...) and I also don't think this episode (9x21) has anything to do with what will happen in the final. It just another way to delay and an excuse to carry on with the status quo of the living arrangement. Lenny are not moving anytime soon.

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You are probably right, Tonstart17, but the writers didn't do Penny any favors in having her side with Sheldon.  Once again Penny sides with the show's big baby and as usual it's at Leonard expense. 

As for not having to talk about or deal with supposedly married Lenny still living in 4A, it's still the elephant in the room that they created, even if they don't have the balls to do anything about it. If it is that much of a problem for the writers then here is a solution for them -- let Leonard move to 4B and let Penny and Sheldon stay in 4A as they are the two characters of the big 3 the writers seen to care about. See problem solved. lol

It's time for the writers to grow a pair!!!

Oh no, they can't do that. Who would S/P belittle if he is not there. I'm sure it will get pretty boring quick if we have to constantly watch S/P be nice to each other with no drama and tptb knows that.

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Edit. S9 Penny sucks.

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11 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

And this is just more examples of how stupid the line that Penny (or ANYONE) has to force him to take medicine!

He turned down Bernie's medicine in the 'Empathy' episode, perhaps they're utilising that here?

Leonard's Dad is being featured for a reason, there has to be a learnable lesson in the offing. My predictions are Sheldon realises that to keep hold of his relationship he has to put out more than once a year, and Penny will get a glimpse of her future and not much like what she sees (and so scarpers).

I can see the last ever episode being unicorns and rainbows but not what could be the penultimate Season finale. They need to bring the invested viewers back in the fall and frankly the quality has dropped too far to bring people back just for the funny, cause that ship has sailed (jumped right over a shark I think).

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