[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

1. I am skeptical about the tidbits as they were fragmentary and the scenario seems unlikely.
2. Not every line spoken in a taping makes the cut.

While I get what  your saying the fact that the guys  were at the movie theater. The other storyline is Beverly with the girls which does make sense. Also Beverly is sticking around for the finale for some reason. The fact is Leonard's father is also going to be on. I understand a redo may not happen but the  storyline does indicate something is going on, most likely with Lenny. The tidbits weren't much but the ones that were mentioned don't appear to me made up or possibly that wrong. As for scenarios that are unlikely wouldn't you considered Lenny living with Sheldon all season unlikely?

[djsurrey]

1 minute ago, Chrismo said:

As for scenarios that are unlikely wouldn't you considered Lenny living with Sheldon all season unlikely?

Well yes. 

We could make a list.

[Tonstar17]

Well I'm not building my hopes up I think there might be more than we were given about the boys girls storyline and wedding redo. Something is brewing and it might not be good which will all explode in the final. Don't ask me what, not tptb.

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[Chrismo]

42 minutes ago, ATOB said:

He turned down Bernie's medicine in the 'Empathy' episode, perhaps they're utilising that here?

Leonard's Dad is being featured for a reason, there has to be a learnable lesson in the offing. My predictions are Sheldon realises that to keep hold of his relationship he has to put out more than once a year, and Penny will get a glimpse of her future and not much like what she sees (and so scarpers).

I can see the last ever episode being unicorns and rainbows but not what could be the penultimate Season finale. They need to bring the invested viewers back in the fall and frankly the quality has dropped too far to bring people back just for the funny, cause that ship has sailed (jumped right over a shark I think).

That's why I don't think the finale will be like last year.

6 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Well I'm not building my hopes up I think there might be more than we were given about the boys girls storyline and wedding redo. Something is brewing and it might not be good which will all explode in the final. Don't ask me what, not tptb.

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The fact is 9.23 the guys are at the movie theater. I agree there is more to the storylines and the redo but it seems nothing is brewing in Tuesday's taping since Penny and Leonard appear not to be together.

[legacy99]

I think tptb are going to suprise us and have leonard develope a little backbone and put penny on the spot of who she wants to live with

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[Jonny]

46 minutes ago, ATOB said:

He turned down Bernie's medicine in the 'Empathy' episode, perhaps they're utilising that here?

Leonard's Dad is being featured for a reason, there has to be a learnable lesson in the offing. My predictions are Sheldon realises that to keep hold of his relationship he has to put out more than once a year, and Penny will get a glimpse of her future and not much like what she sees (and so scarpers).

I can see the last ever episode being unicorns and rainbows but not what could be the penultimate Season finale. They need to bring the invested viewers back in the fall and frankly the quality has dropped too far to bring people back just for the funny, cause that ship has sailed (jumped right over a shark I think).

Not sure I would want to take Bernie's experimental medicine as I wouldn't want to lactate suddenly or cry tears of acid.

I think the Penny one is more plausible especially in the season finale. In terms of Sheldon I agree he is eventually going to have to "put out more than once a year" but I am not sure this will be raised in this episode. I think a proposal is the more likely finale involving Shamy or maybe an invitation to move in if Lenny decide to move out.

[Tonstar17]

He turned down Bernie's medicine in the 'Empathy' episode, perhaps they're utilising that here?

Leonard's Dad is being featured for a reason, there has to be a learnable lesson in the offing. My predictions are Sheldon realises that to keep hold of his relationship he has to put out more than once a year, and Penny will get a glimpse of her future and not much like what she sees (and so scarpers).

I can see the last ever episode being unicorns and rainbows but not what could be the penultimate Season finale. They need to bring the invested viewers back in the fall and frankly the quality has dropped too far to bring people back just for the funny, cause that ship has sailed (jumped right over a shark I think).

That's why I don't think the finale will be like last year.

Well I'm not building my hopes up I think there might be more than we were given about the boys girls storyline and wedding redo. Something is brewing and it might not be good which will all explode in the final. Don't ask me what, not tptb.

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The fact is 9.23 the guys are at the movie theater. I agree there is more to the storylines and the redo but it seems nothing is brewing in Tuesday's taping since Penny and Leonard appear not to be together.

^^^

Well, did lenny have another argument and penny doesn't support Leonard and goes to pickup Beverly with Sheldon. Who knows.

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[Squidley]

Just a thought on the RA Meeting.  Penny knows that the best way to get Sheldon to act nicely is that you put in a contract ie RA.  Penny is the one who suggested to use the contract for Howard.  I do not understand her wiliness to go to the RA other than to avoid conflict.  If Leonard and Penny both went to the RA they could remove all Sheldon's garbage because they have a majority vote.  We know that Penny uses the RA for change, we only have Amy's word that Penny was using the changes to get her way.    Did Amy have to include that little tidbit or what was her agenda?  Personally I think that Penny made a tactical error and she will need to address.  Tag scene had them in bed together.  We will have to wait and see if they move on.

[Jonny]

33 minutes ago, Squidley said:

Just a thought on the RA Meeting.  Penny knows that the best way to get Sheldon to act nicely is that you put in a contract ie RA.  Penny is the one who suggested to use the contract for Howard.  I do not understand her wiliness to go to the RA other than to avoid conflict.  If Leonard and Penny both went to the RA they could remove all Sheldon's garbage because they have a majority vote.  We know that Penny uses the RA for change, we only have Amy's word that Penny was using the changes to get her way.    Did Amy have to include that little tidbit or what was her agenda?  Personally I think that Penny made a tactical error and she will need to address.  Tag scene had them in bed together.  We will have to wait and see if they move on.

I think Amy knew what she was doing when she put that comment out there and into Leonard's head. She in my view sees Sheldon's reliance on Leonard and Penny as a barrier to Sheldon growing up and there is probably some truth to that. That's the way I saw it and I don't have a problem with her using a bit of manipulation or putting it out there because she is right. I wouldn't say she is majorly concerned because she is playing a bit of a long game here.

I don't believe for a second that Leonard hasn't used a bit of manipulation even with the roommate agreement in place to get something he wants. During all those years living together there must have been occasions when he must have done something similar to what Penny has supposedly done.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Jonny83

[Tonstar17]

Just a thought on the RA Meeting.  Penny knows that the best way to get Sheldon to act nicely is that you put in a contract ie RA.  Penny is the one who suggested to use the contract for Howard.  I do not understand her wiliness to go to the RA other than to avoid conflict.  If Leonard and Penny both went to the RA they could remove all Sheldon's garbage because they have a majority vote.  We know that Penny uses the RA for change, we only have Amy's word that Penny was using the changes to get her way.    Did Amy have to include that little tidbit or what was her agenda?  Personally I think that Penny made a tactical error and she will need to address.  Tag scene had them in bed together.  We will have to wait and see if they move on.

I said this after I read the TR. IRL penny will be sleeping in 4b cause after her performance I would not want to have anything to do with her. Did you see how far apart they were in bed. To me Leonard needs to pull penny up on her behaviour and stop enabling her behaviour.

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[Squidley]

Was it manipulation or revenge?  It would depend on the spin.  I sure Leonard has, I do not believe that justifies Amy's actions. 

18 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

I said this after I read the TR. IRL penny will be sleeping in 4b cause after her performance I would not want to have anything to do with her. Did you see how far apart they were in bed. To me Leonard needs to pull penny up on her behaviour and stop enabling her behaviour.

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I agree and I think it should be Leonard who finally gets  up and leaves(cliff hanger).  This will be the only that he will be taken seriously.

[Tensor]

1 hour ago, Jonny83 said:

I don't believe for a second that Leonard hasn't used a bit of manipulation even with the roommate agreement in place to get something he wants. During all those years living together there must have been occasions when he must have done something similar to what Penny has supposedly done.

What?  Gone behind Penny's (his wife's) back to Sheldon so he could set up the RA to benefit himself, instead of benefiting both Leonard and Penny?  

[Jonny]

21 minutes ago, Tensor said:

What?  Gone behind Penny's (his wife's) back to Sheldon so he could set up the RA to benefit himself, instead of benefiting both Leonard and Penny?  

I was thinking more before he was married to Penny. There must have been times when Leonard has manipulated Sheldon into getting something that he wants, but yes I wouldn't rule out Leonard trying to gain benefits or stuff from the RA that only affects him and not Penny.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Jonny83

[Tensor]

4 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

I was thinking more before he was married to Penny. There must have been times when Leonard has manipulated Sheldon into getting something that he wants. If that's indeed the case then Leonard is a bit of a hypocrite or displayed faux outrage when he found out that Penny had been manipulating Sheldon.

She went behind her husband's back to work with Sheldon,  to screw over her husband.   If Leonard manipulated Sheldon, behind Penny's back, to get something for himself, to screw over Penny, you'd have a point. 

[Chrismo]

I get the idea of Penny going behind Leonard's back to work with Sheldon?. But how did that screw Leonard? Is that similar to Leonard telling Sheldon about his secret bank account?  Was he going around her back? Isn't that the same thing? I'm not seeing how either scenerio is screwing anyone. Keeping things from one another. Yes. It seems to me and this has been mentioned repeatedly if Leonard hadn't kissed Mandy or didn't tell for two years where would they be living?

[Tensor]

 

19 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I get the idea of Penny going behind Leonard's back to work with Sheldon?. But how did that screw Leonard?

You mean working with Sheldon to get things she wants, so she doesn't have to fight with Leonard about those things?

19 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Is that similar to Leonard telling Sheldon about his secret bank account?  Was he going around her back? Isn't that the same thing? I'm not seeing how either scenerio is screwing anyone.

The difference, for me, is that Penny is gaining something by actively working with Sheldon, to avoid having to possibly compromise with Leonard.  In the case of Leonard, he's not working with Sheldon to actively get something, so he doesn't have to compromise with Penny.  Say, if Leonard 

19 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Keeping things from one another. Yes.

Oh, definitely.  There are both in the wrong for keeping things from each other.  

 

[JE7]

2 hours ago, Squidley said:

  Personally I think that Penny made a tactical error and she will need to address. 

Penny's error isn't tactical it's strategic.

Her main problem (besides her seeming fear of adulthood) is that she hasent adjusted her thinking to match her new reality. She dosent think about things from the pov of a member of a couple, she still thinks from the pov of penny. She thinks of I instead of us.

The old saying "there is no I in team" fits here or you could say there is no P in team Hofstadter. Untill she is ready to place her marriage and husband ahead of herself at least sometimes the Union will be on shakey ground.

Edited April 24, 2016 by JE7

[nibbler747]

23 minutes ago, Tensor said:

You mean working with Sheldon to get things she wants, so she doesn't have to fight with Leonard about those things?

I find this fact so curious.  What could Penny want (roommate-wise) that would upset Leonard to the point where she doesn't want to discuss it with him?

I'm leaning towards something minor, like she can have unlimited time in the washroom if she takes Sheldon to the train store once a week.  Now would that bug Leonard if she told him their deal straight up?  I don't know to be honest... 

[Tensor]

1 minute ago, nibbler747 said:

I find this fact so curious.  What could Penny want (roommate-wise) that would upset Leonard to the point where she doesn't want to discuss it with him?

I'm leaning towards something minor, like she can have unlimited time in the washroom if she takes Sheldon to the train store once a week.  Now would that bug Leonard if she told him their deal straight up?  I don't know to be honest... 

Yeah, that is a good question.  What would be worth pissing off your husband for?  Like you, I can't think of anything worth excluding your from talking to Sheldon about it.  But it wasn't just this episode.  

There are those who like to say there isn't anything wrong.  But Leonard and Penny keep things from each other, they lie to each other, they seem to trust Sheldon more than each other, they don't talk about things that are wrong, and on top of all that, Penny is unhappy with her work situation and her life in general (I'm not talking how she feels about the marriage here).  To me, that is a marriage in trouble.  That's why I'm so down on any kind of cliffhanger for the finale.

While I don't think they will go as far as a divorce, the more negative things, versus the positive things they've shown this year, seem to be those little things TPTB say they like to drop in the various episodes and let grow.  All those things this year(including the snarkiness of Penny) and their lack of actual plots and screen time last year have almost sucked all of the joy out of the relationship for me.   If they actual separate them, it's going to be hard to come back to the show.    

[Chrismo]

36 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

I find this fact so curious.  What could Penny want (roommate-wise) that would upset Leonard to the point where she doesn't want to discuss it with him?

I'm leaning towards something minor, like she can have unlimited time in the washroom if she takes Sheldon to the train store once a week.  Now would that bug Leonard if she told him their deal straight up?  I don't know to be honest... 

I agree. In this episode the Bernadette taking Raj's side had an example. The Gandhi jokes. And even in that case Bernadette was probably right. I can't imagine what Penny would need to get from Sheldon that would make Leonard so upset.

 

37 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Penny's error isn't tactical it's strategic.

Her main problem (besides her seeming fear of adulthood) is that she hasent adjusted her thinking to match her new reality. She dosent think about things from the pov of a member of a couple, she still thinks from the pov of penny. She thinks of I instead of us.

The old saying "there is no I in team" fits here or you could say there is no P in team Hofstadter. Untill she is ready to place her marriage and husband ahead of herself at least sometimes the Union will be on shakey ground.

But her reality Isn't really new. What's going on this season really isn't different than season 3. As for the marriage being on shaky ground this was really caused by Leonard. If their wedding night wasn't spent separately and spent in 4b things could of been different. I think the combination of that and the Shamy break up caused Sheldon to think things were back to status quo. And the reality of it it is but with the difference of Penny in 4a. All he had to do is manipulate one of them to get his way.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Chrismo

[JE7]

I am think that may well be the big question. After 9 going on 10 seasons will the show keep going and going untill it simply fades away slowly or will it in a bid for shock/ratings pull something so out of left field as to turn off its audience so much that it does an immediate crash and burn?

With what we have seen in just that last two seasons I think it's 50/50 odds

[legacy99]

JE7 i think you are so right

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JE7 i think you are so right

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I do think they will go with second option

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[djsurrey]

17 minutes ago, JE7 said:

I am think that may well be the big question. After 9 going on 10 seasons will the show keep going and going untill it simply fades away slowly or will it in a bid for shock/ratings pull something so out of left field as to turn off its audience so much that it does an immediate crash and burn?

With what we have seen in just that last two seasons I think it's 50/50 odds

The cosplay in another 20 years....

 

[nibbler747]

I think with Lenny, they've been highlighting problems with how they communicate with each other all season (actually the past few seasons).  I don't think they'd split them, as it's a sitcom and it's way too dark and heavy of a topic.  I've been kind of expecting some sort of big fight between them.  I'm curious what they've planned for the last show of S9.  I think the vow renewal will be a huge clusterfuck with Leonards parents fighting.  What I would like to see is Lenny escaping the insanity and finally having their much needed heart to heart where they lay their cards in the table and figure out how to be successful together.

I am happy that Shamy are back together and generally happy.  Coitus is a big thorn in my side though.  I honestly would have preferred if they had not done it yet rather than the way they did it.  First, sex as a gift is a really terrible concept.  Second, not doing it again?  Ugh!!!!  If I was Amy I'd feel terrible.  I'd think, he only had sex with me cause I wanted it, not him.  That's not sweet.  I think it would hurl me into some spiral of feeling pathetic.

[JE7]

 

Lenny is not going to get that much of the 18 minutes for a scene that doesn't involve Sheldon. Hell they couldn't even have a minute for solo Lenny airport goodbye and that was years ago and it has only gotten worse since then

And Sheldon has allways claimed to be above his base animal urges, the once a year gift is totally IC for him.  The question is why is someone as intelligent as Amy still beating a dead horse. You know how Einstein defined insanity

Edited April 24, 2016 by JE7