April Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 My interpretation of the taping report was the redo was off camera but it was done and everyone can move on. They are not going to bore the average viewer with a big wedding do over. I'm looking forward to these episodes. Re-read the TR to see if I missed something but... uhm... When?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Re-read the TR to see if I missed something but... uhm... When?? The first sentence after summary. It reads "Summary: Leonard and Penny have a redo wedding that was off-camera, but then followed by a reception at a restaurant. " Thats good enough for me at least until I can see the episode. Edited April 27, 2016 by djsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The first sentence after summery. Except that doesn't fit with the rest of the TR and the person who was there added that it wouldn't really make any sense in terms of the time line. So I think this one sentence is jumping the gun, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady in Red Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) I spoke to an engineer who works on government projects, and he gave a possible reason for government agents to be following Howard. And, this is something that the science advisers may not know. Precision Guidance technology is considered to be export controlled by our government. The technology itself is controlled, and it doesn't depend on who develops it or who is paying for it. If the government thinks there might be a violation of export controls, they would do an investigation, and therefore might be following the car. In this case, we definitely have a violation of export controls. The definition of "export" includes showing the device to a foreign national. Therefore, the presence of Raj in the lab is enough to constitute export of protected technology, and our boys are in trouble. Just sayin'.... My engineer has thought of three ways our boys can can argue that they did not violate regulations prohibiting the export of this technology. 1. The guidance system is not really precision technology (i.e., the device is not really as good as our boys wanted it to be and so does not fall under the definition of "precision"), 2. Export did not occur (i.e., Raj was clueless as to what he was looking at (dumb as a monkey, as it were)), 3. Yes, export did occur, but our boys locate an existing legitimate license that already exports precision guidance technology to India. I know, I'm nerding out here on stuff no one else on the forum cares about. But, this really is a most interesting technology. Edited April 27, 2016 by Lady in Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmelody Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Except that doesn't fit with the rest of the TR and the person who was there added that it wouldn't really make any sense in terms of the time line. So I think this one sentence is jumping the gun, imho. To clarify...that was stated by another forum member who was relaying Del's summary before Del came on chat. So that summary may not reflect the timeline of things and may be in fact an "assumption" that it was off camera made by the person relaying the message. We really don't know. But my gut tells me that it likely is the last of "wedding" talk in terms of Lenny IMO. The writers have never wanted to do a redo and felt that the vows they came up with originally reflected their personalities, etc. So I am guessing that in S10, we will see them addressing things beyond the Lenny wedding (redo). I suspect the mention of the redo was more because they wanted a way to have the parents all convene and have this interaction in the finale. It was a way to bring some great comedic story into the picture without actually violating their wishes to have a full-on redo. Just a guess on my part..... Edited April 27, 2016 by stardustmelody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2L344 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I really hope the guys don't make a big deal out of the interest the military may have with their invention. Leonard worked on lasers that the military was developing so really who cares. The fact that the military woild be interested in their precision guidance invention should not be a shocker, and they should be excited at the monetary possibilities of a government contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbtfan07 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 'The Convergence Convergence' I guess. Very weird title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 To clarify...that was stated by another forum member who was relaying Del's summary before Del came on chat. So that summary may not reflect the timeline of things and may be in fact an "assumption" that it was off camera made by the person relaying the message. We really don't know. Well, since Del herself has clarified that this assumption may not be accurate at all and doesn't make sense with what she saw at the taping I'll rather believe her comment than turning it into a game of telephone. Maybe the episode will be clearer on that front after it aired and we judge it for ourselves. But from the information we have from the storyline I don't see an "off screen re-do" fitting in anywhere. If it happens off screen, and I don't discount it as a possibility, it will be somewhere in between 9x24 and 10x01 and we start the next season with a little time skip, IMHO. Again, just going by what I see in the TR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 To clarify...that was stated by another forum member who was relaying Del's summary before Del came on chat. So that summary may not reflect the timeline of things and may be in fact an "assumption" that it was off camera made by the person relaying the message. We really don't know. But my gut tells me that it likely is the last of "wedding" talk in terms of Lenny IMO. The writers have never wanted to do a redo and felt that the vows they came up with originally reflected their personalities, etc. So I am guessing that in S10, we will see them addressing things beyond the Lenny wedding (redo). I can hope. If the dinner did not come after a redo what was the point of the dinner and what was the point of inviting Leonard's father? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE7 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Good Grief! As a government employee Howard should know that is not how the Air Force works. They would never call you up to give you money, and they would never follow you in a car. If you would like to read up on all of the steps involved, I have added a link. As you can see, you would never get money directly. Others would have a chance to bid as well. These are our tax dollars, after all. Our government has rules to protect them. http://www.acqnotes.com/acqnote/tasks/request-for-proposalproposal-development But, since this is a sit-com, we will give them some artistic license. Update - I spoke to an engineer who works on government projects, and he gave a possible reason for government agents to be following Howard. And, this is something that the science advisers may not know. Precision Guidance technology is considered to be export controlled by our government. The technology itself is controlled, and it doesn't depend on who develops it or who is paying for it. If the government thinks there might be a violation of export controls, they would do an investigation, and therefore might be following the car. In this case, we definitely have a violation of export controls. The definition of "export" includes showing the device to a foreign national. Therefore, the presence of Raj in the lab is enough to constitute export of protected technology, and our boys are in trouble. Just sayin'.... Ugh Raj (TM) could get deported for espionage? Or locked up as a security risk? That would be so awesome!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Ugh Raj (TM) could get deported for espionage? Or locked up as a security risk? That would be so awesome!!!! He could be investigated. He is only guilty of being a two timing selfish ass and being foreign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmelody Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) I can hope. If the dinner did not come after a redo what was the point of the dinner and what was the point of inviting Leonard's father? I suspect that they were trying to show that family and friends were there to support the marriage, even if it played out in a way that didn't really reflect that. I think that was likely in the mind of the writers though. Fans complained that family and friends were not there at the wedding so the "reception" dinner was a way to remedy it in their minds...showing that they were all there to celebrate the marriage and support the union. That is just my guess though and the writers may have everyone back and continue with the redo for all I know. But looking at what they have said in the past, and looking at what all they still have story to deal with, and considering how difficult it is to coordinate the schedules of all three of the guests they had on, I am betting they move forward and don't look back at this. Just a gut feel. All three of the guests are highly sought after actors. It isn't likely that they will all be free and available again in the Fall, and the writers know they cannot count on that. Unless it was part of the agreement of them coming on in the first place this season, then I think it is a gamble at this point. Edited April 27, 2016 by stardustmelody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie3457 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I can hope. If the dinner did not come after a redo what was the point of the dinner and what was the point of inviting Leonard's father? One possibility for the dinner was for people traveling to Pasadena from out of town, like Mary and Alfred. Perhaps Penny's family is on the way....Until we see the episode as well as early Season 10 episodes, we won't really know for sure.....Either situation a upcoming re-do; a re-do that already happened; no re-do, could be likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirs1 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I can hope. If the dinner did not come after a redo what was the point of the dinner and what was the point of inviting Leonard's father? In chat I got the impression that was just a welcome dinner for the parents (Leonard's dad and Sheldon's mom arrived that same day) and the redo was scheduled sometime in the following days. Whether it happens on-screen in 10.01 or there is a time jump and it happens off-screen it's a whole other story, but in 9.24 it didn't take place yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie3457 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 ...also, Judd Hirsch's appearance was mentioned (by Johnny Galecki I think) as being part of a cliffhanger..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Woudn't it been possible to film the redo without the audience present? idon't think it would be the first time the live audience didn't see the finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady in Red Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Ugh Raj (TM) could get deported for espionage? Or locked up as a security risk? That would be so awesome!!!! Raj is not in trouble at all. He is not subject to US government regulations. The rest of them, as US citizens, are responsible. He could be investigated. He is only guilty of being a two timing selfish ass and being foreign. Raj is not the one in trouble. The investigation would include the rest of them, with the university likely to have to pay some fines if they are found guilty. Prison is a possibility, but most likely the researchers (here Howard, Sheldon and Leonard) would not be allowed to work on this research in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie3457 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Woudn't it been possible to film the redo without the audience present? idon't think it would be the first time the live audience didn't see the finished product. That is true. It would be a nice curveball for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirs1 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) ...also, Judd Hirsch's appearance was mentioned (by Johnny Galecki I think) as being part of a cliffhanger..... If there isn't any "secret" redo-scene in the episode (I doubt, TBH, the "tag" felt like a "tag", but you'll never know...) I think in the post-finale interviews it will be made "clear" if 9.24 ended on a "cliffhanger" or not, I bet journalists will ask about Malfred and the redo...I wish all the cliffhangers were like this one, anyway! Edited April 27, 2016 by mirs1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE7 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Raj is not in trouble at all. He is not subject to US government regulations. The rest of them, as US citizens, are responsible. Raj is not the one in trouble. The investigation would include the rest of them, with the university likely to have to pay some fines if they are found guilty. Prison is a possibility, but most likely the researchers (here Howard, Sheldon and Leonard) would not be allowed to work on this research in the future. That is ridiculous. By your logic no foreign national could be charged with espionage or any other crime. A foreign national while in the US is subject to all laws and regulations just like a citizen unless they have diplomatic immunity and then they can be deported but not tried in court Edited April 27, 2016 by JE7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowbagger Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Ugh Raj (TM) could get deported for espionage? Or locked up as a security risk? That would be so awesome!!!! The comeuppance I want to see for Ugh, Raj is directly related to his grossness towards women. First, I want the gang to come to their senses and realise that they are enabling Ugh, Raj's douchebaggery and that they are being douchebags by proxy at least. Second, I want an excruciating buildup where it seems as though Claire and Emily might be down for a threesome, and just as our blood vessels get ready to commit collective hara kiri, there is the thwack! of the other shoe dropping. They were in cahoots! And now Raj has to walk home naked, while the studio audience howls. And the next morning Claire and Emily send him links to a website in which they have posted unflattering things about the size of his member and his prowess as a lover. And viral videos of him screaming in falsetto at one of Emily's horror films. If the show is going to lean into every lazy stereotype it can find about gender and metrosexuals, I demand that they at least occasionally be used for good rather than evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady in Red Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) That is ridiculous. By your logic no foreign national could be charged with espionage or any other crime. A foreign national while in the US is subject to all laws and regulations just like a citizen unless they have diplomatic immunity and then they can be deported but not tried in court Specifically, the foreign national is not subject to the regulations regarding export controls of precision guidance technology. It is up to the university and the US citizens working on the technology to prevent the export. Raj should not be allowed in the lab where the device is located, and Howard, Leonard, and Sheldon are not allowed to give him any documents regarding this device. It is not Raj's fault if they allow him into the lab. It is their responsibility to keep him out. This is a very, very specialized area, and I just happen to know people who work in it. Edited April 27, 2016 by Lady in Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S+A10302015 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I'm just questioning why they threw *another* plot into the show - they aren't great at following up on the ones they have already, IMO. So in Season 10 (and it appears, Season 11 is a lock...but I would say not beyond that, I think they're done at 11) - they have to wrap up Shamy living together/engaged/married, Lenny and Sheldon living arrangements, Howardette's baby, Leonard and Sheldon's parents hooking up, government after Howard, H/S/L invention, Raj's woman troubles, Penny's career issue which has recently resurfaced (along with her debt, which is apparently back after being gone for a year or two), and possibly, to make things full circle, Lenny baby...I would say at least one other couple will have a baby before the end of the series. Throw in all the "filler" episodes they like to have and - they're going to run out of time. The show has 48 episodes left. I just think they're adding more than they possibly can complete. They need to *wrap* at least a few of the storylines and then start others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmelody Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The comeuppance I want to see for Ugh, Raj is directly related to his grossness towards women. First, I want the gang to come to their senses and realise that they are enabling Ugh, Raj's douchebaggery and that they are being douchebags by proxy at least. Second, I want an excruciating buildup where it seems as though Claire and Emily might be down for a threesome, and just as our blood vessels get ready to commit collective hara kiri, there is the thwack! of the other shoe dropping. They were in cahoots! And now Raj has to walk home naked, while the studio audience howls. And the next morning Claire and Emily send him links to a website in which they have posted unflattering things about the size of his member and his prowess as a lover. And viral videos of him screaming in falsetto at one of Emily's horror films. If the show is going to lean into every lazy stereotype it can find about gender and metrosexuals, I demand that they at least occasionally be used for good rather than evil. Bolded part...never going to happen. If they recognized they are enabling Raj with his behavior...then why could they not realize that Leonard and Penny are enabling Sheldon with his childish behavior and Sheldon realize he is enabling Penny to not face her issues? Bottom line, none of these characters are astute enough to realize they are enablers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowbagger Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Bolded part...never going to happen. If they recognized they are enabling Raj with his behavior...then why could they not realize that Leonard and Penny are enabling Sheldon with his childish behavior and Sheldon realize he is enabling Penny to not face her issues? Bottom line, none of these characters are astute enough to realize they are enablers. The bold part: I'm not sure I follow? Don't get me wrong, I agree that Sheldon, Penny and Leonard are using each other as crutches, and I-sadly-agree that they'll never realise that about themselves with enough force to do anything about it. Because the writers either don't realise, or they don't care. This is the same crew that thinks that a baby- a baby- is less disruptive to the show's dynamics than having Lenny move into 4B. Edited April 27, 2016 by wowbagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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