[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[veejay]

OIC! Thanks.

[vonmar]

 

[vonmar]

 

[Tonstar17]

200th episode is on in the uk. Meh I'll rather watch the news.

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[veejay]

6 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

200th episode is on in the uk. Meh I'll rather watch the news.

[Carlos]

6 hours ago, meka3000 said:

1. He took down his never trust Steve molaro signature THE SECOND shamy reconciled.  Obviously he couldn't be that unhappy with those episodes, if they managed to get him to do that.

2. I still disagree, also I remember a post from The Bachelor Party Corrosion where you said "I really liked it". 

1) Cool but my point is that he can say he likes or dislikes something only AFTER having seen them, not before.

2) What are you talking about? You were not disagreeing with me, but with JE7 so I don't understand why you say that I liked "The Bachelor Party corrosion" or what relevance it has. 

[stardustmelody]

 

[Chrismo]

2 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

200th episode is on in the uk. Meh I'll rather watch the news.

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2 hours ago, veejay said:

I think the picture might have been a reason to watch the episode. Maybe the only reason.

[Tonstar17]

200th episode is on in the uk. Meh I'll rather watch the news.

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I think the picture might have been a reason to watch the episode. Maybe the only reason.

Ñah didn't like the way penny was all over Sheldon in that episode. Killed it for me. Don't even know why she was wearing the locket and wanting to spend all night in the bathroom with sheldon, not like there was any lenny sweetness. Can't even remember the last time she dressed up like that for leonard. Oh she never does. So no, did nothing for me.

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[2L344]

39 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

 

love the faces everyone is putting on lol

[meka3000]

2 hours ago, Carlos said:

1) Cool but my point is that he can say he likes or dislikes something only AFTER having seen them, not before.

2) What are you talking about? You were not disagreeing with me, but with JE7 so I don't understand why you say that I liked "The Bachelor Party corrosion" or what relevance it has. 

1. Sure he can, just like I can choose to hate Michael bays transformers movies without seeing them after revenge of the fallen made me abhor his movies.  It just doesn't make me the most reliable witness.

2. I thought you disagreeing with my comment and liking his comment on ALL THE season 9 EPISODES being crap was sufficient enough to conclude you felt the same way he did. If im misreading this, then I apologize.

[notchinc]

So, is that the end of Claire???

[Thyanic]

15 hours ago, Mislav said:

Personally, I'd rather see Sheldon and Amy work things out that way, and Sheldon apologizing in the first place (even through Stuart, that Amy had used prior to confront Sheldon in the first place), rather than having another conflict over something trivial going around for dozen episodes (a la break up), or having either of them hold a grudge, even if it were a mere implication.

 

 

Yes, Sheldon makes mistakes, but so does Amy, and it's not like she shouldn't work on her attitude towards Sheldon too ("You don't know what I put up with", "No one else would ever put up with him"-can you imagine the fans' reaction if Sheldon were to say something like that to Amy, or Penny to Leonard or the other way around, for example)? Not to mention, Amy did break up with Sheldon for six months, dated three other men... but got back together with him, so Sheldon's behavior may not be as outrageous to her, as some of us (fans) see it. She could have pushed for a better apology this time, she is a grown woman and she already broke up with Sheldon for six months, but she didn't. That wasn't Sheldon's fault. And yes, Sheldon is also a grown-up who should have known some things better, but the same, regarding some aspects, can also be said about Amy, Leonard, Penny, Howard, Bernadette, Ugh-Raj...

 

 

Amy may deserve "better Sheldon", but not someone "better than Sheldon" (I know, that doesn't make much sense...) Besides, their relationship has never been a traditional or "romance by the book/numbers" type either, and definitely not relationship designed to eventually progress into one. No relationship will ever be perfect, but I don't see a point in watching (and shipping) a couple on the basis of possibility that they will become what we want them to become, or simply more "traditional", only because it is theoretically possible (though I don't think that must be the way you watch it, I'm referring to posts of similar attitude that can be found on the Internet). 

I agree with part of your post , and yes Amy makes a lot of mistakes specially because of her lack of self-steem (because a woman who loved herself don't get all the cr*p amy gets) that is her biggest problem.. of course was Amy's decision (fault) to get back together with sheldon, but that doesn't justify we have to see her to be treated like a doormat or we're not keep seeing Sheldon's disrespectful attitude in order to humiliate her and make some cheap jokes (i'm not blaming sheldon here i'm blaming the writers), I used to love shamy because it was precisely their quirkiness, their "non-traditional" romance what makes me love them together, but that changed when the relationship became into "one-side relationship", and trust me I've never wanted "they will become what I want to", my biggest concern on this episode has nothing to do with them becoming in a traditional relationship, to me this has to do with something as simple as RESPECT, sheldon has no respect to amy, not in this episode sorry (and some others of course), he could call amy to cancel.. he could send her a text saying "I don't want to go shopping with you, I'd rather spend the day with my friends and watch the movie because it's important to me!" I'm pretty sure that Amy (with her endless love and patient to him) would understand that!!... but (based on the tp) he only hired stuart to spend the day with amy without any explanation to her not even ask her if she was OK with that, not even to inform her. I wonder if Amy were the one who hired Vanessa to take care of Sheldon or spend the day with him, how the shamy fans would react?? (maybe some bbt fans would be happy haha ) I remember when Amy refused to return from her NB covention while sheldon was sick in order to avoid his unbearable behavior, a lot of shamies were mad at amy, because some people think amy HAS to be with sheldon no matter what, even when he becomes in a j*rk and is mean to all the people around...I'm not saying they have to be together all the time, that would be tedious I love to see them doing different things and being independent from each other, (unfortunately lately we only see Amy being Sheldon's (emotional outhouse) girlfriend instead of the succesful scientist, independent woman she was at the begining).. I'm talking about comunication and respect...

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[Carlos]

17 hours ago, Lionne said:

Two episodes and the guest stars and their roles might have become more narratively interesting than the main cast combined. I'm glad there's no drama between the couples left as a cliffhanger to debate all summer, at least. 

I really enjoyed the first half of this season, although I was aware that there were issues with Lenny and Raj/Emily that were being more or less ignored. The second half of the season has turned into a rather meaningless mess - they introduced Bernie's pregnancy and Raj's love triangle, but I'm not all that interested in the former and downright loathe the latter. Ugh!Raj (TM) is now an official thing. 

My concern is that there's a lot implied by the passing of time in which things don't happen, just because the show ignores it. Amy and Sheldon's dynamic has not budged much despite everything they went through, which is a disappointment. Wil's blasé attitude towards Star Wars, meant to mirror Sheldon's blasé attitude to sex, compared to The boys/Amy's intensely rapturous reaction seems to mean what it seemed to mean at the time - nothing about sex or romance has changed for Sheldon. He has no more interest than he ever did, and that's that. 

There's something "off" about Leonard and Penny's marriage. Their communication is terrible and I don't see them showing any impetus to build a future; they're fine coasting and make no important decisions together, much less discuss them, which they really haven't since their engagement. 

And in general there's a lot of contradictions, inconsistencies, and incoherence as far as plot and characterization. In small doses, individual scenes are funny. The actors are still great, and doing their best. But the material is very stale, and I have no idea where the story is going, if it's going anywhere. Disappointing ending to a season that started with a lot of material to mine - which still has material from past seasons to mine, if the writers want to get around to doing more than scratching the surface, but I get the sense they are far too lazy and overpaid at this point for that. 

No idea if I'll tune in for season 10. 

I quoted your post because this, primarily how I feel, with the addition that a lot of the things the characters do feel completely OOC. I think the quality of writing has gone down considerably and worst of all I don't find myself laughing out loud like I did in Seasons 1 through 6, and a little bit of S7. Based on that I gave TBBT another season to prove itself: S8, which turned out to be horrible culminating with the season finale from hell for everyone. When S9 came around I thought: "They surely can't screw it up two seasons in a row, can they?" , but they proved me wrong: yes they can. I don't even recognize these characters anymore. It is like the writers are not even trying, it's like they're phoning it in. As you say they've become too lazy and overpaid to attempt anything of consequence. If to that you add the ridiculous living arrangements, the suspension of disbelief becomes increasingly harder to achieve.

It is with profound sadness that I must say that I will NOT tune in for S10. I believe that 2 1/4 seasons is long enough for me to wait for them to "improve" the show and make it what it once was writing wise. Bless the casual viewer who seem to still be tuning in. For me TBBT has lost the appeal it once had for me. The first 6 1/2 seasons were ones of the best I've ever seen.

[joyceraye]

13 minutes ago, Carlos said:

< snip >I don't find myself laughing out loud like I did in Seasons 1 through 6, and a little bit of S7. Based on that I gave TBBT another season to prove itself: S8, which turned out to be horrible culminating with the season finale from hell for everyone. When S9 came around I thought: "They surely can't screw it up two seasons in a row, can they?" , < snip >

Amazing how we all differ. Just reading the lines about 9x23 and 9x24 in the chat on Tuesday night / Wednesday morning I was laughing out loud, and that's without any dialogue or facial expressions. I can't wait for the finished product.

I'd agree the writing quality varies a bit. For instance, I've just watched ep 9x22 and am surprised by how uncharacteristically weak the script is in places. I hardly laughed at all. In the bar ( looked more like a drinking session than a wine-tasting to me ) with the girls, parts of it were rubbish. Amy's asking Penny how she knew what the most famous equation in the world meant, and Penny's awful answer, were a waste of time. That sort of thing draws attention to itself because it's so rare in TBBT.

The Sheldette section seemed well enough thought-out though. There's a difference between something in a story turning out to be not to one's taste so that it no longer appeals, and sloppy writing.

[Chrismo]

It looks like tonight's episode was Raj's finale since he really has no storyline the last two episodes. He kind got thrown under the bus tonight. Granted it was his own doing. Can't picture Claire being back. She doesn't seem to fit the group though that's mostly because of Raj.

[JE7]

13 hours ago, Serena_nyc1995 said:

 

I don't understand. When Sheldon gets jealous, its good, if Amy ignores/disregards Sheldon, its good. Would you say the same if Amy was complaining about Sheldon getting groped by another girl ?

And  if Sheldon was disregarding Amy- all hell will break loose. If Sheldon has sweet moment with another girl-Penny or Bernadette, everyone complains . 

 Some actually like other charectors more than him or dislike his constant negative behavior and like to see him get dished a bit of what he so happily serves to others.

 

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[Chrismo]

13 hours ago, Serena_nyc1995 said:

I don't understand. When Sheldon gets jealous, its good, if Amy ignores/disregards Sheldon, its good. Would you say the same if Amy was complaining about Sheldon getting groped by another girl ?

And  if Sheldon was disregarding Amy- all hell will break loose. If Sheldon has sweet moment with another girl-Penny or Bernadette, everyone complains . 

But equally obvious is how Sheldon has been more of a jerk towards Amy than vice versa. So people are going to see it as Amy getting even with Sheldon.

the same goes with Penny and Leonard. If Penny had cheated on Leonard hell would break loose on here. That's because Penny has been more of a jerk towards Leonard thanvice versa. 

 

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[djsurrey]

5 hours ago, notchinc said:

So, is that the end of Claire???

[Tensor]

1 minute ago, djsurrey said:

I think the question was if she was done on the show, not if Emily will soon hide her in her bedroom closet. 

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

I think the question was if she was done on the show, not if Emily will soon hide her in her bedroom closet. 

I'm guessing you are right. Either way how can anyone know about Claire? She came out of nowhere and pops back in unexpected. Like the appearance of Zack, I'd say it is totally unpredictable if  or when Claire will be back.

Edited April 29, 2016 by djsurrey

[joyceraye]

As if Raj's boasting in 9x21 wasn't bad enough, now it seems in 9x22 that he's only 'casual' with Claire. She thinks even meeting his friends is a big step. If that's their position, why was he claiming last week that he'd got as far as sleeping with her ? Good grief, he's not sixteen. What a creep he's become ! Or perhaps always was.

Why can't he just grow up like Howard did and stop all his nonsense, or take Amy up on her offer of a rod through his brain ?

If he doesn't get a grip soon, Howardette aren't going to want him around as a sort of godfather figure to their kids however much he thinks he's going to be. He'll lose what he already has with them, the plonker. Somehow I don't think Penny or Amy will comfort him next time he's crying he's alone.

He used to be my favourite character but now he's gone to the bottom of my list.

 

[serena_1995]

Remember how Phoebe on FRIENDS said she had friends outside the gang of 6 ? But we never saw those friends ?

Seems to me that they were making a similar joke with Sheldon having 2 secret friends outside of the group. Since he kept his hoarding a secret for a long time, it could be very possible that he kept Frank and Alicia a secret as well. Who knows. Maybe they are  people he met online or real scientists.

Edited April 29, 2016 by Serena_nyc1995

[BigBang15]

Sheldon's friends, Frank & Alicia:

 

[Tensor]

3 hours ago, djsurrey said:

I'm guessing you are right. Either way how can anyone know about Claire? She came out of nowhere and pops back in unexpected. Like the appearance of Zack, I'd say it is totally unpredictable if  or when Claire will be back.

That makes her a good partner for Zack then, doesn't it?