[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[Vittoria Jacoel]

Guys,do you think that they do season 11?

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[3ku11]

7 minutes ago, Vittoria Jacoel said:

Guys,do you think that they do season 11?

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Well they have signed on for season 10. Unless something changes in their contracts. I think S11 well happen. But I am not so up on the take when it comes to their contracts. Personally I think S10 prob should be the last. But shows so popular. 

[April]

I think unless S10 crashes and burns spectacularly CBS & co will cling to the show for as long as they can and since everyone else (actors, writers etc) already said they'd love to go beyond S10 it's probably only a question of time when they'll announce it.

Edited May 31, 2016 by April

[Jonny]

2 hours ago, Vittoria Jacoel said:

Guys,do you think that they do season 11?

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I think so, the show is still very popular and unless they are doing a fantastic job keep it under wraps the cast seem to get on well and still enjoy working with each other. Could we see a beyond Season 11? I think that's trickier to predict but I wouldn't rule it out. There is still plenty of material to use and explore if they want to do it for even longer.

[Chrismo]

10 hours ago, gsxdoug said:

Gotta disagree with the part in bold. She did get a speaking part on an episode of NCIS( I think), even if it was taken out in editing. And the whole gang praised her performance in A Streetcar Named Desire.

I think it was mentioned repeatedly she was a bad waitress.

[Swedish Chef]

5 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

I think so, the show is still very popular and unless they are doing a fantastic job keep it under wraps the cast seem to get on well and still enjoy working with each other. Could we see a beyond Season 11? I think that's trickier to predict but I wouldn't rule it out. There is still plenty of material to use and explore if they want to do it for even longer.

Oh yeah!  Lenny would love to be behind the kitchen island for more seasons. They have so many good stories to tell from the island.

[Stephen Hawking]

19 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Yeah I think the main comedy component has always been Lenny and Sheldon.

Actually, I think it is between Penny and Sheldon.

19 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I mean she is such a people person. 

That's true. 

 

Edited May 31, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[veejay]

11 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

That's true. 

S08E01

One of my all-time favorite sequence of the whole season h8. Penny’s facial expressions were right on top!

[3ku11]

Ahhh the short hair, don't bring me back to that nightmare!!

[CrazyShamyFan]

Hello everyone, this is my first post here but it is one I think will intrigue you guys. So after seeing last seasons 23rd episode, "The Line Substitution Solution", me and a friend of mine were outraged over Sheldon's actions. They did not fit his character development, and it gave another reason for the haters to talk badly about the show. My friend and I thought of some great ideas that could be brought over into Season Ten.

 

So after watching “The Line Substitution Solution” a little over four weeks ago, my friend and I began a discussion via text-messaging that lasted several days. This discussion began with many complaints, the many reasons why we disliked the plot of the episode. We discussed how Sheldon already skipped a movie to be with Amy; how Sheldon told Amy that their previous break-up taught him how important she is to him; how Episode Twenty-Three made no sense because it countered all of Season Nine’s previous events and, thus, ruined both the season and Shamy’s development; etc. This chat, however, soon evolved into a series of ideas and theories that could potentially repair the damage caused by “The Line Substitution Solution.” This is what my friend and I came up with:

 

Sheldon has the tendency to do and say things that he shouldn’t. Everyone familiar with the show knows this, and Sheldon himself has even acknowledged this personality-flaw in Season Nine, Episode Thirteen (“The Empathy Optimization”): “[W]hile I often say the wrong thing, in my heart I mean well.” The thing about Sheldon is he doesn’t know when he’s saying or doing “the wrong thing;” usually Penny or Leonard have to explain to him what he’s done wrong afterwards. In Season Eight, Episode Sixteen (“The Intimacy Acceleration”), Sheldon even tells Penny that he wishes he could read minds because it would help him understand what he’s done wrong and why people are angry with him.

If, in a future episode, Sheldon does something similar to what he’s done in “The Line Substitution Solution” – and if someone (Amy, most likely) approaches him about it – Sheldon will be able to reevaluate both his behavior in “The Line Substitution Solution” and his behavior in the current episode. Once he does that, he will begin to see how his tendency to do/say the wrong things truly affects Amy and their relationship. He could decide that he doesn’t want his tendencies to hurt Amy because he truly meant what he said when they got back together and he truly meant what he said in Season Nine’s Valentine’s Day episode. He may even begin to feel that Amy would be better off without him since he is prone to make the same mistakes again in the future (while many may think that this part of the theory is farfetched or doesn’t fit Sheldon’s character, the following Sheldon-line from Season Nine, Episode Four (“The 2003 Approximation”) supports the possibility of Sheldon fearing that he’s not fit for Amy: “…or Amy’s wedding, where she’s marrying someone better than me”). He could talk to Amy about this entire epiphany, and they could work things out by the end of the episode.

 

All feedback will be appreciated, thank you.

 

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, CrazyShamyFan said:

All feedback will be appreciated, thank you.

Given the history of TBBT I doubt Sheldon is going to revisit his 9.23 behaviour at any time in the future.

 

[3ku11]

Yeah TBBT is not know for continuity haha.

[CrazyShamyFan]

11 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Yeah TBBT is not know for continuity haha

It's not known for continuity in story-lines as much but characters definitely have continuity in the way to build. They don't have to revisit the scene directly but just the way he was acting has to be explained because it absolutely makes no sense.

[April]

34 minutes ago, CrazyShamyFan said:

It's not known for continuity in story-lines as much but characters definitely have continuity in the way to build. They don't have to revisit the scene directly but just the way he was acting has to be explained because it absolutely makes no sense.

First things first: Welcome to the forum! Be sure to check out the Shamy thread for more Shamy related discussions [ here ] ;D

As to your posts about 9x23:

Personally, I'm not too upset about this particular plot because the idea that everything is suddenly sunshine and rainbows is a bit unrealistic so it felt like a reminder that Shamy still have issues to work on. Nobody is perfect, so it's fair enough for me. But yes, I agree with you that it would be great if they picked up this kind of situation next season and gave Shamy an episode with them working on their communication issues. For better or for worse, Amy is able to identify precisely what their issues are (in this case a lack of proper communication and slipping back into old patterns) and that could be a fist step to address that properly in a future episode should the topic come up again. It has a lot of story potential but whether or not the writers will do anything with it is of course up to them.

[Tensor]

Like when Penny was making Pennyblossoms in season two, but couldn't use glue in season 7.  Or Leonard becoming more assertive in season 6, then reverting to back to whining in seasons 7 and 8?   There's more, but I think you get the idea.

[BigBangEnthusiast]

14 hours ago, CrazyShamyFan said:

Hello everyone, this is my first post here but it is one I think will intrigue you guys. So after seeing last seasons 23rd episode, "The Line Substitution Solution", me and a friend of mine were outraged over Sheldon's actions. They did not fit his character development, and it gave another reason for the haters to talk badly about the show. My friend and I thought of some great ideas that could be brought over into Season Ten.  

Welcome to the forum!

[camelliayao]

17 hours ago, CrazyShamyFan said:

Hello everyone, this is my first post here but it is one I think will intrigue you guys. So after seeing last seasons 23rd episode, "The Line Substitution Solution", me and a friend of mine were outraged over Sheldon's actions. They did not fit his character development, and it gave another reason for the haters to talk badly about the show. My friend and I thought of some great ideas that could be brought over into Season Ten.

 

So after watching “The Line Substitution Solution” a little over four weeks ago, my friend and I began a discussion via text-messaging that lasted several days. This discussion began with many complaints, the many reasons why we disliked the plot of the episode. We discussed how Sheldon already skipped a movie to be with Amy; how Sheldon told Amy that their previous break-up taught him how important she is to him; how Episode Twenty-Three made no sense because it countered all of Season Nine’s previous events and, thus, ruined both the season and Shamy’s development; etc. This chat, however, soon evolved into a series of ideas and theories that could potentially repair the damage caused by “The Line Substitution Solution.” This is what my friend and I came up with:

 

 

Sheldon has the tendency to do and say things that he shouldn’t. Everyone familiar with the show knows this, and Sheldon himself has even acknowledged this personality-flaw in Season Nine, Episode Thirteen (“The Empathy Optimization”): “[W]hile I often say the wrong thing, in my heart I mean well.” The thing about Sheldon is he doesn’t know when he’s saying or doing “the wrong thing;” usually Penny or Leonard have to explain to him what he’s done wrong afterwards. In Season Eight, Episode Sixteen (“The Intimacy Acceleration”), Sheldon even tells Penny that he wishes he could read minds because it would help him understand what he’s done wrong and why people are angry with him.

 

 

If, in a future episode, Sheldon does something similar to what he’s done in “The Line Substitution Solution” – and if someone (Amy, most likely) approaches him about it – Sheldon will be able to reevaluate both his behavior in “The Line Substitution Solution” and his behavior in the current episode. Once he does that, he will begin to see how his tendency to do/say the wrong things truly affects Amy and their relationship. He could decide that he doesn’t want his tendencies to hurt Amy because he truly meant what he said when they got back together and he truly meant what he said in Season Nine’s Valentine’s Day episode. He may even begin to feel that Amy would be better off without him since he is prone to make the same mistakes again in the future (while many may think that this part of the theory is farfetched or doesn’t fit Sheldon’s character, the following Sheldon-line from Season Nine, Episode Four (“The 2003 Approximation”) supports the possibility of Sheldon fearing that he’s not fit for Amy: “…or Amy’s wedding, where she’s marrying someone better than me”). He could talk to Amy about this entire epiphany, and they could work things out by the end of the episode.

 

All feedback will be appreciated, thank you.

 

 

 

What really bothers me about this episode is not how Sheldon behaves. He's always been like that and of course no one expects all rainbows and unicorns from now on. What bothers me is the writers bring up a problem and then just wrap it up without actually resolving it. As Amy points out, they have communication problems. The right thing to do is for Amy to tell Sheldon how she feels about what he does and maybe they both agree the next time, if they don't want to do something together, they just tell each other so. Instead, the plot ends with Sheldon making an insincere apology and Amy answering "fine". Nothing is resolved. 

A counter example would be the Mars episode, they have conflicts too in that episode. But they communicate. Amy speaks her feelings and Sheldon expresses his willingness to plan a future with Amy. That episode is neither rainbow nor unicorn, but they make some progress in their relationship.

Also I think in 9x23, Sheldon knows what he does is wrong beforehand. Because when Stuart comes to yell at him, he asks him to apologize to Amy immediately (after Stuart explains to him Amy hired him) which indicates he understands perfectly what he does would make Amy mad, but he does it anyway. 

In the past Sheldon behaves inappropriately because he doesn't know better. Now the situation had turned into both of them playing tricks with each other. And this goes for Amy as well. They try to figure how to pay the smallest price to get the most out of each other. It's ugly.

I would love so much for there to be a pick up about this episode in the future, but given this is TBBT, I doubt it. 

Edited June 6, 2016 by camelliayao

[April]

19 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Also I think in 9x23, Sheldon knows what he does is wrong beforehand. Because when Stuart comes to yell at him, he asks him to apologize to Amy immediately, which indicates he understands perfectly what he does would make Amy mad, but he does it anyway.

What? I think you're misremembering the episode.

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Sheldon: Stuart, what are you doing here?

Stuart: [screaming] Sheldon, you are the most inconsiderate person I have ever met in my entire life! Where do you get off sending me to shop with your girlfriend?!

Sheldon: I don't understand. You were happy to do this when I hired you. Why-why are you upset with me now?

Stuart: [speaking normally] Oh, I'm not upset with you, but Amy's pretty bent out of shape, so she hired me to let you have it.

Sheldon: Well, I suppose turnabout is fair play.

Stuart: [screaming] You're darn right it's fair play, you selfish jerk!

Of course he apologises after Amy yells at him via proxy of Stuart. But it's not like he saw Stuart and immediately understood what went wrong.

[Stephen Hawking]

The odd thing about The Line Substitution Solution is that, in the previous episode (The Fermentation Bifurcation), Sheldon and Amy did separate things, with no angst or conflict.

[camelliayao]

15 minutes ago, April said:

What? I think you're misremembering the episode.

Of course he apologises after Amy yells at him via proxy of Stuart. But it's not like he saw Stuart and immediately understood what went wrong.

He was confused because he didn't know why Stuart was yelling at him. After Stuart explained Amy hired him to yell at him, Sheldon sent him to apologize to Amy. Which part did I remember wrong? If Sheldon didn't know what he did was wrong beforehand, how come he decided to apologize? Leonard didn't tell him to do that. The old Sheldon would be like "why is Amy yelling at me? Why did Amy say I was selfish and inconsiderate? I was being perfectly reasonable." Like in 8x24, after Amy stormed out and Penny explained to him, he still thought Amy was the one being unreasonable.

Sheldon: I don’t understand. You were happy to do this when I hired you. Why, why are you upset with me now?

Stuart: Oh, I’m not upset with you, but Amy’s pretty bent out of shape, so she hired me to let you have it.

Sheldon: Well, I suppose turnabout is fair play.

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Stuart: Hey.

Sheldon: Hey. Is everything smoothed out with Amy?

Stuart: Uh, no, she’s still pretty mad.

Sheldon: Did you make the apology as sincere as I would have?

Stuart: I said, Sheldon says he’s sorry.

Sheldon: Oh, well, that’s laying it on a little thick.

Leonard: You think it’s time you apologize to her yourself?

Sheldon: I suppose so. 

Edited June 6, 2016 by camelliayao

[Jonny]

5 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

The odd thing about The Line Substitution Solution is that, in the previous episode (The Fermentation Bifurcation), Sheldon and Amy did separate things, with no angst or conflict.

I think that was the point and it was deliberate.

The previous episode they wanted to do different things and did communicate to make that clear to each other, the following episode they wanted to do different things but this time didn't communicate. I think the writers were just trying to highlight how vital communication is to a relationship and what happens if you don't communicate.

[camelliayao]

4 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

I think that was the point and it was deliberate.

The previous episode they wanted to do different things and did communicate to make that clear to each other, the following episode they wanted to do different things but this time didn't communicate. I think the writers were just trying to highlight how vital communication is to a relationship and what happens if you don't communicate.

In that case they should exchange orders of the two episodes...Otherwise it'll be like Shamy know to communicate in one episode and forget how to do it in the next.

[hokie3457]

Just now, camelliayao said:

In that case they should exchange orders of the two episodes...Otherwise it'll be like Shamy know to communicate in one episode and forget how to do it in the next.

I think it gives a good example that a relationship requires work and the participants need to pay attention to their partner's needs.  Sheldon and Amy may have scored an 84 + on the relationship test, but there is much more to things than that.  Sheldon is learning this fact as he goes along.   

[camelliayao]

1 minute ago, hokie3457 said:

I think it gives a good example that a relationship requires work and the participants need to pay attention to their partner's needs.  Sheldon and Amy may have scored an 84 + on the relationship test, but there is much more to things than that.  Sheldon is learning this fact as he goes along.   

Still in that case they should exchange the orders of the two episodes, with the Line Substitution episode being "A relationship requires work", and the The Fermentation Bifurcation episode being "Sheldon and Amy learning".

[April]

11 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

He was confused because he didn't know why Stuart was yelling at him. After Stuart explained Amy hired him to yell at him, Sheldon sent him to apologize to Amy. Which part did I remember wrong? If Sheldon didn't know what he did was wrong beforehand, how come he decided to apologize?

Yes, after Stuart yelled at him Sheldon sent him to Amy to apologise - I'm not sure how that indicates he knew what was wrong without an explanation when the things Stuart yelled at him were the explanation, namely that it was inconsiderate of him sending Stuart to go shopping with Amy. He knows what went wrong because Stuart literally yelled it at him.