[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[camelliayao]

2 hours ago, Mislav said:

And that is the problem. We don't know. We are just told that Amy wanted Sheldon to go shopping with her, and he didn't. And here comes the conflict. And when she gets upset, she resorts to hiring Stuart, which is the very same thing she got mad at Sheldon about. And it all relates to... going shopping.

I can't seriously fathom the whole set up because it is way too trivial, for me, to be taken seriously. I honestly can't envision Shamy getting into a big argument about going SHOPPING. I find it way out of character for Amy, and Sheldon who is usually very blunt when it comes to such things. In case they did make arrangements before, which we don't know. She then gets angry at Sheldon for hiring Stuart to go shopping with her, then hires Stuart to insult Sheldon while she talks to Beverly.

No. We did know.

First, like I said. Amy was expecting to see Sheldon in the car. So they must have had some sort of deal beforehand. She didn't just "want" to go shopping with him. He must have agreed. Otherwise she's just delusional. How she "made" him to go is not important. The point is he agreed. (That's the only logic explanation)

Second, Amy's line "If he didn't want to go shopping with me, why didn't he just say so." suggests Sheldon didn't tell Amy he didn't want to go, which means he agreed to go.

Third, Sheldon's line "Amy's making me go shopping with her later" suggests Sheldon, though reluctant, agreed to go shopping with Amy. Otherwise he wouldn't consider it a problem. He wouldn't need to hire Stuart. 

And Amy was not mad at Sheldon for not shopping with her, she was mad mainly because Sheldon hird Stuart while he could've just called her and told her the truth (the communication problem). And since you said yourself hiring Stuart is "insulting", think about how Amy must have felt when Sheldon sent Stuart to go shopping and later to apologize to her.

Edited June 7, 2016 by camelliayao

[Mislav]

17 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

No. We did know.

First, like I said. Amy was expecting to see Sheldon in the car. So they must have had some sort of deal beforehand. She didn't just "want" to go shopping with him. He must have agreed. Otherwise she's just delusional. How she "made" him to go is not important. The point is he agreed. (That's the only logic explanation)

Second, Amy's line "If he didn't want to go shopping with me, why didn't he just say so." suggests Sheldon didn't tell Amy he didn't want to go, which means he agreed to go.

Third, Sheldon's line "Amy's making me go shopping with her later" suggests Sheldon, though reluctant, agreed to go shopping with Amy. Otherwise he wouldn't consider it a problem. He wouldn't need to hire Stuart. 

And Amy was not mad at Sheldon for not shopping with her, she was mad mainly because Sheldon hird Stuart while he could've just called her and told her the truth (the communication problem). And since you said yourself hiring Stuart is "insulting", think about how Amy must have felt when Sheldon sent Stuart to go shopping and later to apologize to her.

And that leads us to the second part. In order to take the conflict seriously, one has to be able to fathom it. Why would Amy want to go shopping with SHELDON in the first place? Does that even sound like her? And, if the writers wanted to have Sheldon do something wrong, what is the logistics behind Sheldon not calling Amy, for some reason?

 

 

And, once again, Amy was more than willing to bail out on Sheldon before. And, as someone who has mentioned the bullying that she endured multiple times, she goes to call Sheldon "the most inconsiderate and selfish person she has ever met". Over a shopping trip. Actually, she hires Stuart to tell Sheldon that, while she is angry over Sheldon hiring Stuart to go shopping with her in the first place. And when put it this way, it kinda does matter how she made him agree to that in a first place, if she did (not that we will ever know).

[camelliayao]

43 minutes ago, Mislav said:

And that leads us to the second part. In order to take the conflict seriously, one has to be able to fathom it. Why would Amy want to go shopping with SHELDON in the first place? Does that even sound like her? And, if the writers wanted to have Sheldon do something wrong, what is the logistics behind Sheldon not calling Amy, for some reason?

 

 

And, once again, Amy was more than willing to bail out on Sheldon before. And, as someone who has mentioned the bullying that she endured multiple times, she goes to call Sheldon "the most inconsiderate and selfish person she has ever met". Over a shopping trip. Actually, she hires Stuart to tell Sheldon that, while she is angry over Sheldon hiring Stuart to go shopping with her in the first place. And when put it this way, it kinda does matter how she made him agree to that in a first place, if she did (not that we will ever know).

The first paragraph, yes, that's why I said the plot was stupid. The writers tried to create some conflicts but they couldn't think of better ones.

The second paragraph, Sheldon did hire Stuart to spend time with her. And it really was inconsiderate and selfish. And since Amy has so few friends, it's quite likely Sheldon indeed is the most inconsiderate and selfish of them all. She was just stating the truth. Also she was mad (for a good reason). You can't expect nice words from a very mad person.

Plus, Amy hired Stuart because Sheldon hired Stuart first. Since you consider Amy hiring Stiart such an insulting thing, to the point Sheldon's behavior can be excused, think about how insulting it must be for Amy when Sheldon did that to her.

And actually Sheldon admitted himself that Amy hiring Stuart to let him have it was "fair play".

Edited June 7, 2016 by camelliayao

[Stewie99]

Sorry if this has been discussed here before but there are some advertisements/commercials airing for Intel computers at the moment featuring Jim Parsons. Any ideas whether he's playing Sheldon or just starring as himself?

 

[Mislav]

33 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

The first paragraph, yes, that's why I said the plot was stupid. The writers tried to create some conflicts but they couldn't think of better ones.

The second paragraph, Amy getting mad at Sheldon and calling him "the most inconsiderate and selfish person she had ever met" was not bullying. Because Sheldon did hire Stuart to spend time with her. And it really was inconsiderate and selfish. And since Amy has so few friends, it's quite likely Sheldon indeed is the most inconsiderate and selfish of them all. She was just stating the truth. Also she was mad (for a good reason). You can't expect nice words from a very mad person.

Also, Amy hired Stuart because Sheldon hired Stuart first. Since you consider Amy hiring Stiart such an insulting thing, to the point Sheldon's behavior can be excused, think about how insulting it must be for Amy when Sheldon did that to her.

And actually Sheldon admitted himself that Amy hiring Stuart to let him have it was "fair play".

I never said that Amy bullied Sheldon, but it is "interesting" that, after everything she's been through, Sheldon is the most selfish and inconsiderate person she has ever met, apparently. And since she herself has bailed out on Sheldon before... And yes, she didn't really mean what she said (through Stuart, ugh) but I'm sick of such insults being thrown around during petty arguments as if it were nothing serious or hurtful, no matter who says them. Didn't Amy break up with Sheldon after he said something harsh to her when he was mad?

Edited June 7, 2016 by Mislav

[camelliayao]

18 minutes ago, Mislav said:

I never said that Amy bullied Sheldon, but it is "interesting" that, after everything she's been through, Sheldon is the most selfish and inconsiderate person she has ever met, apparently. And since she herself has bailed out on Sheldon before...

Sorry I misunderstood.

I think the point is, to call a person "inconsiderate and selfish", you need have some sort of relationships (a friend/relative/lover etc) with him/her. You don't call a stranger "inconsiderate and selfish", because they don't have the obligation to be considerate and selfless for you. Since Amy has so few friends, I think it's safe to say Sheldon's the most inconsiderate and selfish of them all. (At least out of the other 6 main characters on the show, Sheldon is)

Amy is inconsiderate and selfish too sometimes, but compared with Sheldon... Well, we're all entitled to our own opinions. But I guess most people would agree Sheldon's more selfish. 

Edited June 7, 2016 by camelliayao

[mirs1]

20 minutes ago, Mislav said:

I never said that Amy bullied Sheldon, but it is "interesting" that, after everything she's been through, Sheldon is the most selfish and inconsiderate person she has ever met, apparently. And since she herself has bailed out on Sheldon before... And yes, she didn't really mean what she said (through Stuart, ugh) but I'm sick of such insults being thrown around during petty arguments as if it were nothing serious or hurtful, no matter who says them. Didn't Amy break up with Sheldon after he said something harsh to her when he was mad?

I guess that the difference between the two situations is that Amy was right in being mad in 9.23, as Sheldon himself acknowledged, since he apologized, while Sheldon...you know...in 9.01 called the break up upon himself with his behavior during the whole episode. This was a minor disagreement that could have been handled in a very easy way. It would have been enough for Sheldon to tell Amy he preferred to do something else rather than spending the afternoon with her. The miscommunication was the only reason Amy was mad with him and hiring Stuart and giving Sheldon a taste of his own medicine was her way to make him understand her point. And she succeeded. 

[Stephen Hawking]

20 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I don't think there has been a time when they've done everything together anyway.

Except perhaps, on the evening The Force Awakens premiered in Pasadena.

That evening, the went "all the way" together.  

[Tensor]

11 hours ago, Stewie99 said:

Sorry if this has been discussed here before but there are some advertisements/commercials airing for Intel computers at the moment featuring Jim Parsons. Any ideas whether he's playing Sheldon or just starring as himself?

 

Himself.  Those were first run in the US last year. 

[Carlos]

16 hours ago, Mislav said:

1) And that is the problem. We don't know. We are just told that Amy wanted Sheldon to go shopping with her, and he didn't. And here comes the conflict. And when she gets upset, she resorts to hiring Stuart, which is the very same thing she got mad at Sheldon about. And it all relates to... going shopping.

2) I can't seriously fathom the whole set up because it is way too trivial, for me, to be taken seriously. I honestly can't envision Shamy getting into a big argument about going SHOPPING.

1) I think that the reason she does that is to pay him in kind, so to speak. To do to him the same thing he's doing to her (hiring Stuart). Also, I think it's because TPTB think the hiring Stuart is hilarious.

2) I don't think it is strictly about going shopping but also about them getting back at each other.

IMO not the best episode, and not that funny, and not even the best Shamy. Oh well, I don't expect much these days for either ship TBH.

 

[Sokar]

After lurking for a long time I finally joined up just to ask the question, why didn't Amy ask Sheldon if Stuart was also standing in for coitus? That would have been interesting.  

[hokie3457]

2 hours ago, Sokar said:

After lurking for a long time I finally joined up just to ask the question, why didn't Amy ask Sheldon if Stuart was also standing in for coitus? That would have been interesting.  

Nicely done Sokar!  A great opening post!!!  That question would have sure taken the wind out of Dr. Cooper's sails!

Welcome to the Forum!!!! 

[JE7]

That would have been a Kodak moment lol

Welcome Sokar 

Edited June 8, 2016 by JE7

[veejay]

5 hours ago, Sokar said:

After lurking for a long time I finally joined up just to ask the question, why didn't Amy ask Sheldon if Stuart was also standing in for coitus? That would have been interesting.  

Welcome, with an excellent question!

You're one of us, one of us...

[Stephen Hawking]

8 hours ago, Sokar said:

why didn't Amy ask Sheldon if Stuart was also standing in for coitus?

Given the events of Flaming Spittoon (and Stuart's behavior toward Amy, during the Shamy breakup) that probably wouldn't have been something she'd want to mention to Stuart.

[MJistheBOMB]

On 6/8/2016 at 4:12 AM, Sokar said:

After lurking for a long time I finally joined up just to ask the question, why didn't Amy ask Sheldon if Stuart was also standing in for coitus? That would have been interesting.  

LOL!!! I would have loved that. 

[3ku11]

I diddn't like in the Season Finalie. How Amy was mothering him. Being Paternal. I get Sheldon is annoying, and people were talking. But it was almost like Sheldon the grown ups are talking play with your phone. IS that always going to be Shamys dynamic? Are they ever going to be equals? Like dare I say it Lenny? Just seems to be always a disparity between them, that I can't put my finger on. It has been 5 years. And while Sheldon has progressed alot. I felt he degressed a bit in that episode, Amy too. And in 9x23 episode. Well Amy was upset tht Sheldon sent Stuart to go shopping with her. Whether or not Shopping isin't Sheldon's thing, is not the point. That was careless and cruel tbh. Don't want to spend time with your GF, be a man and tell her. Amy was just getting her own back. And it would have been funny if Amy said is Stuart stand in for coitus. 

[Jonny]

10 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I diddn't like in the Season Finalie. How Amy was mothering him. Being Paternal. I get Sheldon is annoying, and people were talking. But it was almost like Sheldon the grown ups are talking play with your phone. IS that always going to be Shamys dynamic? Are they ever going to be equals? Like dare I say it Lenny? Just seems to be always a disparity between them, that I can't put my finger on. It has been 5 years. And while Sheldon has progressed alot. I felt he degressed a bit in that episode, Amy too. And in 9x23 episode. Well Amy was upset tht Sheldon sent Stuart to go shopping with her. Whether or not Shopping isin't Sheldon's thing, is not the point. That was careless and cruel tbh. Don't want to spend time with your GF, be a man and tell her. Amy was just getting her own back. And it would have been funny if Amy said is Stuart stand in for coitus. 

I wasn't a fan of that either, especially after she was so vociferous with Sheldon's grandmother about treating him like a child. I'm not concerned though as that was the first time she has really done that or to that level. I am hoping it was a one off.

[djsurrey]

12 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

I wasn't a fan of that either, especially after she was so vociferous with Sheldon's grandmother about treating him like a child. I'm not concerned though as that was the first time she has really done that or to that level. I am hoping it was a one off.

I see it as a plot device to avoid having Sheldon the centre of attention for a change.

[Jedichic98]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

I see it as a plot device to avoid having Sheldon the centre of attention for a change.

I agree, I really don't see this having any bearing on future episodes. I'll withhold any concern until this becomes a constant issue. 

[Jonny]

Agreed, if they make it a running gag where she tells him to play with his phone when he's perhaps about to say something outrageous then we have a problem. I don't think they will because Sheldon saying inappropriate or badly timed things is who Sheldon is.

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, Jonny83 said:

Agreed, if they make it a running gag where she tells him to play with his phone when he's perhaps about to say something outrageous then we have a problem. I don't think they will because Sheldon saying inappropriate or badly timed things is who Sheldon is.

Sheldon is at a very early stage of learning to cope in social situations even when he knows everybody. Amy too is a relatively recent social being, albeit  further along the road and somewhat less bewildered. It probably helps them both to have a routine. He complied so unquestioningly I thought it must be pre-arranged.  If the episodes were not so short we might have been shown a scene in which they work out their coping mechanism : Amy looks out for awkward bits, signals to Sheldon by telling him to play a game on his phone, he doesn't argue and focusses on the game. Nobody who knows him tells Sheldon to be polite and put his phone away. It beats pretending everybody is a beloved Star Trek character or he's a visitor from another planet or a victim of the transatlantic slave trade. A stranger at another table would just think he was taking a phone call or a text message.  I think it's a good idea.

I wonder how Amy used to deal with attending unavoidable gatherings in the days before Penny taught her to drink and she had no Sheldon to steer ? Pictured fellow attenders as monkeys, perhaps, or imagined what their brains would look like on a slab, observed their non-verbal signals, priced the second-hand value of their clothing ?  

Edited June 13, 2016 by joyceraye
Adjusting punctuation.

[Mislav]

On 7. lipnja 2016. at 1:21 PM, camelliayao said:

Sorry I misunderstood.

I think the point is, to call a person "inconsiderate and selfish", you need have some sort of relationships (a friend/relative/lover etc) with him/her. You don't call a stranger "inconsiderate and selfish", because they don't have the obligation to be considerate and selfless for you. Since Amy has so few friends, I think it's safe to say Sheldon's the most inconsiderate and selfish of them all. (At least out of the other 6 main characters on the show, Sheldon is)

Amy is inconsiderate and selfish too sometimes, but compared with Sheldon... Well, we're all entitled to our own opinions. But I guess most people would agree Sheldon's more selfish. 

Well yes, when put in that perspective... she probably did mean friends and not every person she has ever met (which would include the people who bullied her, etc.). But resorting to such insults in a relationship, through proxy, over something as trivial, is a pretty low thing to do, even if what Sheldon did was wrong. And did she forget that she got away from him when he was sick-and she calls him the most selfish and inconsiderate person ever for not going shopping with her? And no, we are not supposed to hold that against her forever-otherwise nobody would sympathize with Sheldon in anything, by that logic-but with the two episodes airing with no much time having gone by in between, it just comes accross as very cringe-worthy.

 

 

Lastly, saying inconsiderate things during arguments is what caused the break up in the first place, so why use them again, from either party (and why would that be justified this time, coming from Amy with Stuart as a proxy)? If they used that as a catalyst for the break up, they should  no longer use such things for "comic effect", now that they are back together.

 

On 8. lipnja 2016. at 1:12 PM, Sokar said:

After lurking for a long time I finally joined up just to ask the question, why didn't Amy ask Sheldon if Stuart was also standing in for coitus? That would have been interesting.  

I don't know, but the mere idea of that (and responses that followed) seem to make for an interesting "humor scale", if one can be made...

 

Amy joking about having sex with Stuart=hillarious

 

Sheldon bonding with Bernadette in one episode=a threat

 

*that* line from Sheldon in "The Intimacy Acceleration"=let's not talk about that

 

Sheldon/Penny in the 200th episode=brain bleach (to be fair, I agree)

Edited June 14, 2016 by Mislav

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