[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[djsurrey]

Frankly, I keep swinging back and forth (speaking of Oscillation!) over what's more pathetic: the fact that the show stooped so low as to put that scene in there, or the fact that the Shennies get excited over a dream sequence by Leonard of all people. 

Why are you even surprised now? Nothing new here really.

It was a dream. We have had Amy make up a story about Penny in the laundry room attempting to seduce Sheldon.

Edited August 19, 2015 by djsurrey

[DoctorWhat]

To be honest, I don't think the problem is about them not being able to let Sheldon evolve. They've done so very well on multiple occasions. The problem is that they like to stall, backtrack and drag things out. They won't let go of the stuff they are comfortable writing, so they resort to the same old dynamics, with Sheldon being a stubborn jerk just so that in that way they have an excuse not to move things forward. I don't think it's a matter of not having a direction or not being able to do it, I think it's an issue of not wanting to let go of safe formulas that they know how to write. And I'm not even talking about Shamy/Sheldon per se here (although I am sure that is part of the equation), I think keeping Leonard and Sheldon together is an even bigger obstacle for them right now. Having married Leonard off, if things were peachy with Shamy, there would be nothing stopping Leonard from moving his with his freaking wife. I wouldn't be surprised if the next however many episodes are all about Leonard wanting to move in with Penny and not being able to because either he/they feel sorry for Sheldon or because Sheldon now is lonely and clinging to him. And that will piss off the Lenny fans all over again.

I didn't say that they don't don't let him evolve,it is just that they are doing it in a strange way (not in a good manner).And I don't mean the whole stubborn jerk thing because I kind of like that and if they changed it it would be a massive character change.Stubborn jerks can also have their moments of brilliance like Sheldon had in past eposodes,I just personally think that these moments are the wrong moments.For example I believe it would make more sense for Sheldon to let his flatmate live with is wife and "swallow" it almolst quietly despite his negative feelings about it rather than having him ready to propose to Amy.Sheldon is a strange man but he always made sense to me in a way,lately not so much.Maybe it is just me.

[vasu]

Leonard and penny were insecure and were afraid  .... Would have been idea like 4 years ago .... Now it's just redundant.....

 

I still ill have a hard time understanding how penny got over the kiss just like that when it seemed to bother her so much the previous episode 

Sheldon Amy stuff seems the exact same as the premier episode 

The only positive seems to be the dream sequence 

three episodes in a row with zero science and 100% romance .... Haha now this show is a nerdy version of friends 

Edited August 19, 2015 by vasu

[bigbangsheldon]

I had the lowest expectations and somehow I am still disappointed. 

[A Shamy gal]

Leonard and penny were insecure and were afraid  .... Would have been idea like 4 years ago .... Now it's just redundant.....

 

three episodes in a row with zero science and 100% romance .... Haha now this show is a nerdy version of friends 

Yes we do need some more science, but Leonard's newly married and Sheldon's in a mess, so don't I think either of them will be that focused on work for a bit.  Howard needs to make something for the space station that goes wrong again or Raj finds something.

[DoctorWhat]

Apparently some people on tumblr have full taping reports to read.Did they get in in person from others or there is somewhere a full report?

[shamyy]

Please can someone do a good summary about the whole episode guys I'm begging you I'm in the hosipital right now bc of my diabet disease and I can't look at all comments about episode. that will make me so happy ???? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Dannii]

Apparently some people on tumblr have full taping reports to read.Did they get in in person from others or there is somewhere a full report?

Not on here as everyone that has gone decided to not provide one.

Whoever that report is from, it's from none of the group that went last night.

[RudyG]

It may make more sense after actually seeing the episode.

It makes perfect sense to me now. He won and he finally has what he wanted all along, Penny. He just didn't realize it at the time, and he had to be shocked into realizing that he was the major block in his road to happiness.

[bigbangsheldon]

I was thinking the intensity of the Shenny kiss was maybe because Leonard was imagining them in the same position as him and Mandy, it sounds like a tooth chippable position.. 

[kitlovesjim]

I don't know that there's any one account.  I don't even remember the names.  Tumblr rarely makes sense to me anyway... (<--old fogey)

its okay. Lots of them.. Cant access my tumblr right now bad timing. xD but thanks anyway.. Sent from my GT-S5360 using Tapatalk 2

[stardustmelody]

What I don't get about the writing is why they actually had to have Shenny kiss....even just having Sheldon and Penny look as if they were going in for a kiss and Leonard waking up from the nightmare would have been sufficient...but to make a hot and steamy kiss scene...well it was totally gratuitous.  It is obvious it is just to try and grab ratings and shock viewers.  Still say it could backfire on them...they are playing with fire.

[Ranger Rosa]

I mean, it doesn't matter if it's a dream or real life, but the first time we see Sheldon making out with someone is with Penny (I'm sorry, I don't call that finale kiss a make out). And that's not very fair with the Shamies, since we're anxiously waiting for this since day one. So I don't understand why a heavy kiss on screen between them. It wasn't that necessary, they could've done the scene smoother. September 28 will be the big nightmare day.

(I don't know why am I asking this if I'm gonna be more pissed, but can someone say if they were standing, lying? How long it lasted? Did they speaked during "this" or made sounds?)

[phantagrae]

What I don't get about the writing is why they actually had to have Shenny kiss....even just having Sheldon and Penny look as if they were going in for a kiss and Leonard waking up from the nightmare would have been sufficient...but to make a hot and steamy kiss scene...well it was totally gratuitous.  It is obvious it is just to try and grab ratings and shock viewers.  Still say it could backfire on them...they are playing with fire.

Why shouldn't they grab ratings and shock/surprise viewers?  All TV shows do that, especially with season openers, finales, and sweeps episodes.  Why should they do the same old thing or back off from something big?

Could they really anticipate that some Shamy or Lenny fans would go ballistic over a kiss that has no meaning to anyone other than Leonard?  This reminds me of those who don't want to see Penny talking to Raj alone because they think the writers are going to have them rip each others' clothes off and jump in the sack, even though that makes absolutely no sense.  At the time they slept together, it wasn't so far-fetched, given their emotional state and their drunkeness and the fact that neither of them was attached to anyone.

But just because it happened that one time in that one circumstance doesn't mean they somehow can't resist each other.  So for some fans, the season finale where Penny went to check on Raj after his breakup with Lucy was some kind of "Oh no!  THey're alone together!  They're going to have sex!!!" even though it made absolutely no sense.

Anyway, just as those people can't stand to see Penny and Raj together for fear they can't keep their hands off each other, some people think that every time Sheldon and Penny have a scene together means that there is some nefarious plot afoot by the writers to tweak the Shennie's or to aggravate the Shamy/Lenny fans by teasing a Shenny relationship, even though the writers have said again and again that that relationship isn't going to happen, and have even gone so far as to have the characters state how they feel like siblings.

So, yeah, the kiss is a shocker, but it's Leonard's shocker, bringing the audience along for the ride, and it has no meaning whatsoever for Sheldon and Amy, nor should it have any meaning to Shamy fans who know it means nothing to that relationship.

Is it really so awful to see such a scene?  They're not killing kittens or sacrificing babies.  Are Jim and Kaley not allowed to have scenes together for fear of the Shenny spectre rising in the minds of Shamy fans?

IMO, that's not the fault of the writers, but the fault of the fans who can't see past such things.

[rachelshamyfan]

Waiting for script cover

[A Shamy gal]

Waiting for script cover

I will be surprised if we get one.

[DrWackaDoodle]

Wasn't it only two or three episodes between Amy's "zone" kiss fantasy and the train kiss? It seems that the writers like to use fantasies to "test the waters" and prepare fans for what's next. They're hitting us over the head with the clues here. Prepare for Shamy 2.0- now including coitus. 

[Chrismo]

I agree with you phanta. The dream was Leonard's. It was his issue because of his kiss with Mandy. It has nothing to do with Shamy or Lenny. Leonard is closest to Penny and Sheldon.  Rosa, I don't think Lenny fans pictured their wedding the way it ended up.the Shenny making out didn't really happen so I don't see why everyone being so upset.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

I think the only way we can get through this, is by the time it airs the TR is out where they get back together after an honest and mature talk.

At this point there may never be another TR. 

[stardustmelody]

I agree with you phanta. The dream was Leonard's. It was his issue because of his kiss with Mandy. It has nothing to do with Shamy or Lenny. Leonard is closest to Penny and Sheldon.  Rosa, I don't think Lenny fans pictured their wedding the way it ended up.the Shenny making out didn't really happen so I don't see why everyone being so upset.

It may not have really happened, but the images are still in the viewers heads....you can't erase those. It is an image you don't want there...just like images of evil things get in your head when you watch them and you can't get them out of your head.  They haunt...even if you know they are not real.   It doesn't make it less palatable knowing they are not real.  It still exists in your head because they placed the image there.   That is why it is so bothersome.  They didn't have to kiss...they could have easily implied they were going to kiss and Leonard wake up before it happened and it would have accomplished the same task.  So yes...boo on the writers for going there and having it be so passionate and graphic. It was totally unnecessary and will be an awful image burned in our minds.

[rachelshamyfan]

I'm just gonna not look at it

 

As for the rest of the episode

I get that the writers want to convey some drama but at this point it seems totally unnecessary considering how great and happy shamy were last season

 

I want to see how tptb are gonna fix this because right now it doesn't look like they are trying and are interested more in breaking shamy further apart 

Edited August 19, 2015 by rachelshamyfan

[phantagrae]

It may not have really happened, but the images are still in the viewers heads....you can't erase those. It is an image you don't want there...just like images of evil things get in your head when you watch them and you can't get them out of your head.  They haunt...even if you know they are not real.   It doesn't make it less palatable knowing they are not real.  It still exists in your head because they placed the image there.   That is why it is so bothersome.  They didn't have to kiss...they could have easily implied they were going to kiss and Leonard wake up before it happened and it would have accomplished the same task.  So yes...boo on the writers for going there and having it be so passionate and graphic. It was totally unnecessary and will be an awful image burned in our minds.

Graphic? Evil? That seems like a lot of hyperbole.

I really don't understand all this "I can't the image out of my head!!"  Are people really that sensitive?

They weren't naked or groping each other, the way I understand it.  Though her leg was wrapped around him and he had hold of her leg, no one was naked or having sex or whatever.

IMO, it's played for the shock and for the comedy of what Leonard dreams or imagines, not for any kind of true sexuality.  I mean, how many times has Penny expressed disdain for anything remotely "romantic" or sexual regarding Sheldon?  She doesn't even want to "do it" on his spot on the couch.

Reality counts much more for me than some random Leonard nightmare.

[Chrismo]

It may not have really happened, but the images are still in the viewers heads....you can't erase those. It is an image you don't want there...just like images of evil things get in your head when you watch them and you can't get them out of your head.  They haunt...even if you know they are not real.   It doesn't make it less palatable knowing they are not real.  It still exists in your head because they placed the image there.   That is why it is so bothersome.  They didn't have to kiss...they could have easily implied they were going to kiss and Leonard wake up before it happened and it would have accomplished the same task.  So yes...boo on the writers for going there and having it be so passionate and graphic. It was totally unnecessary and will be an awful image burned in our minds.

they had the episode of Shenny in the Laundry room. I commented on the Shamy thread that this was Leonard's issue. It doesn't talkeaway from Shamy. I'm not thinking of this as an awful image. I actually think it's funny. And everyone knows how much of a fan I am of Sheldon.

[Tensor]

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Edited August 19, 2015 by Tensor

[RudyG]

Graphic? Evil? That seems like a lot of hyperbole.

I really don't understand all this "I can't the image out of my head!!"  Are people really that sensitive?

They weren't naked or groping each other, the way I understand it.  Though her leg was wrapped around him and he had hold of her leg, no one was naked or having sex or whatever.

IMO, it's played for the shock and for the comedy of what Leonard dreams or imagines, not for any kind of true sexuality.  I mean, how many times has Penny expressed disdain for anything remotely "romantic" or sexual regarding Sheldon?  She doesn't even want to "do it" on his spot on the couch.

Reality counts much more for me than some random Leonard nightmare.

I agree with you Phanta. My only problem with it is I wish Leonard was dreaming of me and Penny, not Sheldon and Penny.