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I agree that The Kiss sounds more funny than disturbing. Because of the circumstances I don't think it will be unpleasant at all. I know I will cave in and watch that part even though I don't plan on watching the first episode this season (which really does sound unpleasant to me.) 

For me the problem is not so much that I find Shamy's argument upsetting. The problem is that I find it uninteresting and that is far worse. It is doubly disappointing since there was so much other material to choose from and so much comedy and conflict and sweetness in the story without all this stuff. 

 

 

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On a flying visit to answer a PM and couldn't resist a peek at the taping report (or lack of as it turns out).

Interesting....hmmmm....two words spring to mind.

Angry sex!

Keep on rowing Shamy, build it up, build it up, build it up annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd BAM! COITUS!!!

...and that said, with a sweep of my cape, I'm off! Ta ra!

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Anyway, just as those people can't stand to see Penny and Raj together for fear they can't keep their hands off each other, some people think that every time Sheldon and Penny have a scene together means that there is some nefarious plot afoot by the writers to tweak the Shennie's or to aggravate the Shamy/Lenny fans by teasing a Shenny relationship, even though the writers have said again and again that that relationship isn't going to happen, and have even gone so far as to have the characters state how they feel like siblings.

So, yeah, the kiss is a shocker, but it's Leonard's shocker, bringing the audience along for the ride, and it has no meaning whatsoever for Sheldon and Amy, nor should it have any meaning to Shamy fans who know it means nothing to that relationship.

Is it really so awful to see such a scene?  They're not killing kittens or sacrificing babies.  Are Jim and Kaley not allowed to have scenes together for fear of the Shenny spectre rising in the minds of Shamy fans?

IMO, that's not the fault of the writers, but the fault of the fans who can't see past such things.

IMO, the Shenny dream is not a problem for Shamy, except as a visual. In terms of what is going on (the story), Leonard is dreaming about Sheldon. And Penny. And kissing - which is a metaphor for intimacy and sex. So with whom does Leonard want to be intimate and have sex? They are just waving Shenny as a distraction for what is really Leonard's root issue. His attraction to Sheldon. He has to work through that to have any chance with his marriage. I wonder if ever Penny will try to prise him away.  Does she or can she see it? 

(Warning: contents may contain traces of nuts, like much of the Internet, apparently) 

 

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Sooooo wish the dream had had a llama
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I detest Shenny.

I can only tolerate it in measured doses and even then, Penny and Sheldon have to be written as combatants just like we were given in the early seasons.

This trend of sexualized Shenny that TPTB have been giving us in the later seasons, for me, is very off-putting. Whether it was Penny beating Sheldon in wrestling and holding him down and kissing him, Amy's imagined laundry room encounter, the horrific fall-in-love experiment, and now Leonard's dream is, for me, very scary as these situations seem to be popping up far too regularly for my liking.

And I completely agree with what stardustmelody wrote, especially the bolded part. 

 

Well see the writers say a lot of things, like they did at Comic Con about the ring....but we have learned to not believe them.  So when they twice a year decide to throw out there "romantic Shenny" in any dream sequence or circumstance, it can't help but make fans nervous.  And yes...if they had any intelligence at all, they would know that it would disturb Lenny and Shamy fans.   Visuals are hard to erase from the mind...much harder than most things.   So they knew they would likely open up a can of worms and maybe that was their intent.   But honestly...every time they say they won't go there with Shenny...I take that with a grain of salt.  I put nothing past them anymore.  They speak out of both sides of their mouths all the time.   If they thought Shenny as lovers would bring in more fans and increase their ratings and bring in more money...they will go there.   It won't matter if they created and built for years interest in the other two couples.   And they won't care if they annoy fans along the way.

And you can't blame the fans for loving what they spent years building and crafting.   It just says they did a good job of hooking the fans.   So yes...to blame the fans is cruel and mean. 

 

And I'm still curious, what is Leonard's reaction when he wakes? 

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On 19.8.2015 at 9:32 PM, Nogravitasatall said:

IMO, the Shenny dream is not a problem for Shamy, except as a visual. In terms of what is going on (the story), Leonard is dreaming about Sheldon. And Penny. And kissing - which is a metaphor for intimacy and sex. So with whom does Leonard what to be intimate and have sex? They are just waving Shenny as a distraction for what is really Leonard's root issue. His attraction to Sheldon. He has to work through that to have any chance with his marriage. I wonder if ever Penny will try to prise him away. 

(Warning: contents may contain traces of nuts) 

 

Holy grale!

 

:fi_lone_ranger:

 

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And I'm still curious, what is Leonard's reaction when he wakes? 

I hoping for shrivelled. LOL

Edit i.e. Horrified. And he runs to a therapist.

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Did you know the taping reports are being posted on IMDB? 

 

Kazzie I don't  blame you one bit and understand  if you never give spoilers away but remember  it is not your fault.  We here appreciate what you do. 

 

Some people are really petty and scummy to attack Bill and the show like that especially with spoilers for episode that hasn't aired yet. They do not realizing what they are doing by   doing that.  that is not right! I wouldn't be surprise if they ban a audience  once and for all for their last season.  

 

What yu see on TV when it airs is what really matters! 

sorry what's IMBD?

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I wonder if they can cut the Shenny scene to just before their lips meet, like the scene they had were Amy daydreamed Sheldon told her she was a distraction and was going to kiss her like mommies and daddies do.

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To repeat:

After discussion between Tripper and I, we have decided to hide all posts, in this topic, dealing with comments directed at Bill on social media, along with any discussion between members on this matter.  This is due to these posts being off topic in this thread.  If you have any questions please either PM us or start a thread for your question in The Site forum, so as not to clog up this topic. 

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He went with it and then felt so guilty he confessed right away. And yet now I am meant to buy he would be able to keep it a secret from the love of his life for two years? Because he's insecure? 

Why not?  Penny is not Priya, Penny is the love of Leonard's life, Priya was not.  I can easily buy that Penny (among other nuances in the situation) changes the entire equation in how Leonard chooses to approach this.

Also keep in mind how revelations PLAY OUT on screen can be ALOT DIFFERENT compared to what you read from a report/second hand information from a message board.

Even Mitchy Geary brought this up last April:

 

I am not the writers, nor am I the actors. I am but a mere fan with imperfect eyes, imperfect ears, and an imperfect memory. I cannot convey their emotion, or the subtleties in the text, or anything else. Bill Prady said it best. The show is what exists in the episodes you watch, not what you read on a message board. 

I agree with her, and no offense is meant to her when I say this, but I felt that was true for Shamy's break last year.  When I read the TR last April Shamy's break sounded iffy on paper.  But the execution won me over, not to mention Amy's specific line that wasn't in the report, "Really?  That's the commitment issue you're wrestling with?"  That line REALLY made it click for me, not to mention how Mayim Bialik sold it in her performance, she sold the frustration she's had to put up with after all that time.  How do you know specific dialogue won't give any sense clarity when you see and hear it on screen?

I'm not saying you HAVE TO give it a chance, by watching it on screen.  It's just a suggestion that things might play out better when it's watched.

I posted a week ago or so that Leonard has been sub-concisely sabotaging his relationship with Penny from the beginning. From their first date, to when he first had a chance to sleep with Penny the first time, to the ILY too soon, the date where he laughs at her for believing in Psychics, etc...

Don't forget The Recombination Hypothesis, in that episode he plays out scenario's of him asking out Penny again INSIDE HIS HEAD.  And what does he imagine himself doing?  Screwing things up.

Anyways I'm pretty sure there's more to Leonard keeping the kiss and Mandy herself a secret for two years besides just him believing that he's subconsciously sabotaging their relationship.  Though I can buy that as playing a part in it.

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I haven't posted here in awhile, but I just wanted to weigh in on the reports from the first two episodes. I'm a huge Shamy fan (really enjoy Lenny now too), and I understand why some might be upset about the breakup and angst, but I have to say I'm very excited! Sheldon may be acting like a bit of an idiot, but but we couldn't be getting a clearer indication that Sheldon is crazy in love with Amy (emphasis on crazy :dwarf:).

 

I understand that some find the angst uncomfortable and disturbing, and that's perfectly fine, but I'm loving it. While I don't enjoy angst for the sake of angst, I also find a romance a little dull if the waters are too smooth. I think a reconciliation after a few weeks of angst will be much sweeter than if they'd had a chat and worked it all out in the first episode.

 

Just my .02 :)

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So yes...to blame the fans is cruel and mean.  

That doesn't mean a fanbase can't be unnecessarily territorial. (No fanbase should be sending death threats to the creators).  At the end of the day, we don't have a say in what happens with the characters in terms of canon.  For better or worse, they can treat the characters however they want.

Personally I'm not bothered by the shenny kiss, especially since it only happened in a dream.  The only thing about Shenny that bothers me are it's obsessive fans.  Not the fans that like it, but are not oblivioius to how unlikely it is to happen in canon.  I'm talking about the obsessive ones that take every scrap they get and try and read something into it like Nicholas Cage's character in The National Treasure movies when it obviously was not intended to be seen that way.

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I hope they leave it all in.

I hope they cut all of it

I was hoping they had extra footage of them naked in bed. The scene could of been more graphic in reality.

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On a flying visit to answer a PM and couldn't resist a peek at the taping report (or lack of as it turns out).

Interesting....hmmmm....two words spring to mind.

Angry sex!

Keep on rowing Shamy, build it up, build it up, build it up annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd BAM! COITUS!!!

...and that said, with a sweep of my cape, I'm off! Ta ra!

I'm there with you.   I think Sheldon is sexually frustrated for Amy, as indicated in his recent insults and behavior.   I think this is based on extreme emotional attachment more than arousal.   He may not understand fully but knows he needs/wants to be completely with her.  The volcano will erupt and there will be no stopping the lava flow.    

If the writers go this route, it will be interesting to see what finally triggers that eruption.  Perhaps, in the heat of the moment, Sheldon realizes he is not getting his point across with words and decides to show her instead.  Amy is shocked into wanting submission and can't help but reciprocate.  Maybe it won't lead to a complete consummation, but it will be a good start, and an extreme improvement over what they have had until now.

With Leonard and Penny patching things up and finally moving in together, I can see potential for Amy finally moving in with Sheldon.

 

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because the opposite extreme would be the fandom being bored.  Also to paraphrase Morgan Freeman playing god in Bruce almighty "triumph doesn't come without struggle, to paint a pretty picture, sometimes you have to use some dark colors."

 

I'm not suggesting the opposite extreme but a happy medium. If they can be true to the characters, that much better.

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I'm not suggesting the opposite extreme but a happy medium. If they can be true to the characters, that much better.

One fans happy medium might be another fans boredom zone.

Judging from what we have so far (episodes, TR's, etc.) I don't feel tptb haven't been true to the characters.  YMMV of course.

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