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I guess I just ship Howard with nearly everyone else before Bernadette

 

Howard and Raj are comedy gold

Howard and Sheldon have this funny rivalry going on 

Howard and Amy and their mutual love of Neil diamond as well

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.... So they can clearly just forgot about things which already happened in the show and write new things 

Yes. Yes they can. It's their show. They can write what they want. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, people complain about it but they don't care. It's a tough world out there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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she dumped him ONCE, not a couple of times.

 

Still being in a relationship and now married, to me that implies the exact opposite. 

 

So is Penny.

 

Even if I believed your theory (which I don't), that doesn't mean Sheldon becomes her next logical choice.

I think she dumped him after the first dinner, after the community college debacle and mid-bowl. Not that I'm fussed now - they are married.

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Exactly, it's just an overly dramatic Leonard dream. LOL. So in his dream, Sheldon and Penny are seen going above and beyond what their normal selves would do because even if they were going at it less dramatically, Leonard would still view it as such.

I think, and I don't know if that's been posted someplace on here ... I think Leonard is picturing those two because it's the most unrealistic thing he can come up with which is equally the most scary, weird and insane thing he could possibly come up with unconsciously. The non-sexual Sheldon (we don't know how much Sheldon has shared about his "urges" ;)

Meaning, pick the most unlikely person Penny could ever hook up with and you'd come up with Sheldon ( sorry Shennies, but you know deep down below, I'm right! )  and that's what they did there.

I am just going to see it as that.

I am still angry at Steve Molaro for explaining they'd tell us when Sheldon bought the ring.

I am sure we know he was planning on giving it to her in San Francisco on that trip.

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Penny DUMPED Leonard ONCE .... at the bowling alee ... after their first dinner she and Leonard went to Sheldon for advice .. she told Sheldon that she was a community college drop out and was NOT good enough for Leonard ... no dumping ... Leonard got the BAD FISH from one of the other guys ...

Then they became friends even thought Leonard wanted more ... end of season two Penny also wanted more ... North Pole with Sheldon ... when they came back they started up then came the ILY from Leonard ... Penny panicked .... then the BREAK UP (dumping) ... which she regretted ... then along came PRYA ....

Then PRYA and Leonard Cheated on each other ... then came Raj ... then the long friend ship again ... then that date and then the take it slow period  ... the time on the ship  .... Then the multiple proposals from both of them ... then the MOVIE and the change in Penny when she realized that Leonard was her ROCK ...

then the engagement and the trip to Vegas .... which brings us to NOW ...

One dumping only and LOTS of DRAMA ...

 

And you call your selves FANS .....

 

 

All this stuff with Sheldon and Amy is the set up for SHELDON to GROW UP ..... so until this goes to AIR we don't know anything ...

The only thing we know is that Sheldon is and insensitive boob and keeps belittling Amy and everyone else he need to grow up and learn to deal with AMY...

that's my 2 cents

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I'd love to see a Season 9 DVD extras video of the cast reacting to discussions on this forum about the last 3 episodes. The ad libbing would possibly be funnier than the episodes. 

shenny paranoia is doing my head in. I don't want to be accused of telling people they're watching the show wrong ( the great crime of 2015 ) but seriously,.....

not sure why Shamy have to be immune to the same treatment Lenny got in late Season 3/Season 4. They suffered on and off for about 30 episodes and there was some pretty harsh stuff mixed in there at times. Some Shamies are dumping the show after two UNSEEN episodes. Sheldon is suffering through his first teenage breakup crisis. He might have read the book Lenny gave him but he still has no idea with this shit. Toughen up and ride out a few bumpy weeks. I doubt the writers are trashing this mother lode long term. It too shall pass. 

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not sure why Shamy have to be immune to the same treatment Lenny got in late Season 3/Season 4. They suffered on and off for about 30 episodes and there was some pretty harsh stuff mixed in there at times.

So because Lenny suffered, Shamy has to as well?

I didn't know all these onscreen relations have to undergo all the same things precisely.

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Chiany, Not because one has so the other should at all. It just seems like some reactions are its unfair to us as fans that it's happening. Bad Shit happens on this show. It is generally followed eventually by good stuff and then bad returns again and then ....... The circle of life........ I'm just saying you can be a bit more resilient, ride through the bumps and wait for the next good bit. I don't necessarily understand why the Season 3/4 Lenny drama was required but it happened and they came out of it pretty good, notwithstanding the occasional crap that keeps popping up. I reckon Shamy can survive the current situation and come out ok too. But I watch it my way, others watch it their way. Not looking for shipping duels at 30 paces at all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Penny DUMPED Leonard ONCE .... at the bowling alee ... after their first dinner she and Leonard went to Sheldon for advice .. she told Sheldon that she was a community college drop out and was NOT good enough for Leonard ... no dumping ... Leonard got the BAD FISH from one of the other guys ...

Then they became friends even thought Leonard wanted more ... end of season two Penny also wanted more ... North Pole with Sheldon ... when they came back they started up then came the ILY from Leonard ... Penny panicked .... then the BREAK UP (dumping) ... which she regretted ... then along came PRYA ....

Then PRYA and Leonard Cheated on each other ... then came Raj ... then the long friend ship again ... then that date and then the take it slow period  ... the time on the ship  .... Then the multiple proposals from both of them ... then the MOVIE and the change in Penny when she realized that Leonard was her ROCK ...

then the engagement and the trip to Vegas .... which brings us to NOW ...

One dumping only and LOTS of DRAMA ...

And you call your selves FANS ..... (snip)

lol. Well done. I guess I was counting interruptions and not too carefully, because hey - not technically breakups, true.  Nice job. 

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I'd love to see a Season 9 DVD extras video of the cast reacting to discussions on this forum about the last 3 episodes. The ad libbing would possibly be funnier than the episodes. 

shenny paranoia is doing my head in. I don't want to be accused of telling people they're watching the show wrong ( the great crime of 2015 ) but seriously,.....

not sure why Shamy have to be immune to the same treatment Lenny got in late Season 3/Season 4. They suffered on and off for about 30 episodes and there was some pretty harsh stuff mixed in there at times. Some Shamies are dumping the show after two UNSEEN episodes. Sheldon is suffering through his first teenage breakup crisis. He might have read the book Lenny gave him but he still has no idea with this shit. Toughen up and ride out a few bumpy weeks. I doubt the writers are trashing this mother lode long term. It too shall pass. 

It's simple for me. If I would prefer Lenny's kind of development I would ship Lenny. And in general if I would want more dramatic couple, I would ship another couple. I was drawn to Shamy because they were acting on logic, more than emotions, and their ride even while slow, was mostly drama-less. That's just what I prefer to see in a couple.  But it's my perspective that don't have to be the same for writers, and am not demanding them to follow my wishes. The moment they will change the nature of their relationship (not saying that is happening yet), and decide to give them more dramatic edge for long time, and adjust their personalities to fit that new view, I will just peacefully consider if my enjoyment of the show is impaired, and if it will be, walk away. And even while I admire Lennies patience, I don't think I would be that way. I think it's too early to call people on their reactions frankly. This whole thing just happened. Sure with initial confusion of what is happening, people are being less or more reasonable, and act on their emotions. I think if we will "bitching" here illogically for those two eps for another long months, or worse years, than we can say we're overreacting and should be more resilient, but it really JUST happened. We had only a week to absorb a lot of information. Of course some people are more positive or negative, some are worried, or hurt etc..and want to share their initial thoughts,only just finding their own perspective on current situation. I'm positive everything will calm down again, but there always is that time when people want to share and build their opinion here, on every episode, and every part of the development. I agree worse/ good times are part of the show, and I wasn't expecting path strewn with roses, but the time when people will be just sit through those bumps and wait patiently for the good stuff to come, well, in that moment, I'll be sure I'm just dreaming :icon_wink:

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Sorry about getting off the topic, I am only going to comment on the subject once and I hope that most of my post refers to season nine in general so... I've read the theories about all the relationship drama and Shenny make out scene being a revenge to the fans because of all the tweets. But only a few fans have tweeted Bill. Millions of people watch The Big Bang Theory. Thousands of them ship canon couples. The ones who don't ship watch the show for humor, and all this relationship drama is suppressing it. It saddens me to think that writers would be that juvenile. And I daresay that those tweets aren't that short of rude or disrecpectful than the crap that they are going to pull out in the premiere. Fans have a right to voice their opinion, many of them have done that in a more polite way and many of them aren't happy with the direction the show is going to take. 

 
And I don't understand the logic that Shamy has to suffer because Lenny did. Is it fair? I guess, but fair doesn't equal good and it would be good if that doesn't diminish the character development and consistency that had been established prior to that, and doesn't take away from humor too much. And now it does, IMO.
 
It also saddens me that writers would change the character's traits for a cause of a single joke or in order to boost the ratings. And that they don't realize that they have done it all wrong-it is highly unlikely that the current direction the show is taking will boost the ratings. And is that the only idea they had? The four main characters are four brilliant scientists, there have been so many interesting guest or recurring characters on the show throughout the years, so many new science fiction movies and scientific theories are being released lately, and they decide to fill the remaining two seasons and/or boost the ratings with this? I don't get the writers, I really don't. 

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I don't like the very idea of that scene, if it is a joke i don't get it but not for a single moment i doubt it will catch people attention and it will be a rating saving. That's for me the only reason for it. It's not very convincing that it is a revenge....first of all, if it were, it caused more and more angry tweets so was completely unuseful. Moreover tbbt is a very lucrative businnes, so this scene si a way to make money. Tptb know that hardcore fans will be angry, but they will continue to watch, since it is a dream and it makes no harm to the canon plot. The casual viewers, with the right advertisement will be intrigued.so..more money for them! 

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All cool, Tallin. Explained your perspective well. As I said, we all the watch the show differently and each to their own.  I get that some people relate better to different relationships on the show and become very involved in that. I relate more to Lenny because  their relationship mirrors mine with wife good and bad ( hopefully Lenny stay together for 25 years and beyond too ) but unlike many here, and not a criticism , I don't take that to the level that a bad Lenny experience ruins my enjoyment of the show. But that's me. I like all the characters almost equally and as long as they entertain me with humour or a bit of drama I wish the best for all of them, not just one character or couple in particular. 

I don't think I'm doing a good job explaining my point of view, Mislav and Chiany ( earlier) . I don't think Shamy have to suffer because Lenny suffered. For me it's got nothing to do with fairness of treatment. I just expect all characters are  going to get a bad deal at some point. I'm not comparing the Lenny and Shamy relationship or fandom. I'm just surprised that some people are surprised by the decision by the writers to throw a spanner in the works of the ShAmy relationship. I didn't want it to happen. I like their story and their characters.  I didn't want the crap to happen to Lenny or Howardette either.  I'd rather just watch funny stuff happen each week without the angsty trauma. I have sitting in the same room as my wife while she watches Bold and the Beautiful for that. I don't need that to seep into my BBT viewing. 

But I gotta say I just expected the writers to throw some mud at the Shamy relationship because that seems to be their modus operandi for relationships in this show. But I also expect them to clean up the mud as well and have Shamy 2.0 up and running some time soon. I could be wrong. And I don't think Lenny have had a monopoly on the drama over the years. Shamy have had plenty as well, albeit in a different way. So for me this drama was expected and I'm not going to be fussed by it for a few weeks. But then I'm not a Shamy shipper ( I still don't get hard core shipping in general TBH but each to their own) so I suppose I can't empathise with that emotional response. 

I'm not a fan of grandiose reactions to disappointment as a rule. So that's why I seem to be shocked by the "I'm done with this show" faction. Yes Mislav, I want them to fill the show with science fiction and theories but I also don't think on the basis of two unaired episodes you can justify saying they are filling the season with this. But you're free to disagree. 

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But I gotta say I just expected the writers to throw some mud at the Shamy relationship because that seems to be their modus operandi for relationships in this show. But I also expect them to clean up the mud as well and have Shamy 2.0 up and running some time soon. I could be wrong. And I don't think Lenny have had a monopoly on the drama over the years. Shamy have had plenty as well, albeit in a different way. So for me this drama was expected and I'm not going to be fussed by it for a few weeks.

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I agree with the sentiment and I'd even go as far and say that now is the best time for this kind of drama with Shamy.

Before you guys take out your pitchforks let me explain! lol

Reading through the threads I think one of the most frequent questions was WHY NOW???? and I haven't seen anyone attempt to make sense of it. I personally think the timing is perfect for 2 reasons:

1) Assuming they expect the show to end with S10* it shouldn't happen too close to the finale. Putting this kind of relationship drama at the beginning of S9 leaves them enough time to patch things up for the finale. (*I know there's the possibly of S11 but let's stick with S10 b/c that's definitely save.)

2) Placing this after the very shippy happy S8 makes it easier to sell the idea that these two should be together. (This is probably a lot less straight forward than the other reason so bear with me on this one.) I've seen a lot of ppl say that Amy should have dumped him a lot earlier and while her anger may have been more justified at the beginning of S8 or even earlier I think it also makes it harder to root for the couple. I mean, even some of you Shamy shippers have said that you'd cheer for Amy to run because she deserved better. I can imagine the average viewer might have similar sentiments and wouldn't be interested seeing Amy getting back together with a jerk of a boyfriend like Sheldon (at that time anyway). But now with S8 we and the characters saw a glimpse of what could be the way to their happy ending. They made some big strides into the right direction and especially with episodes like The Fortification Implementation there's just this utter delight they take in each other's company. Adding all of these lovely moments makes a stronger case for them being right for each other - and not just for the audience but also for the characters themselves. I mean, again, yes, Amy's anger may have been more justified before all this but how believable would it for her to go back to Sheldon at that point? What would be in for her when all she got was like what, a naughty round of D&D and a semi-passionate kiss?? But now she had declarations (yes, multiple!) of love, Mars, their first sleepover and many other really lovely moments. It also makes it more believable that Sheldon would be so invested in this relationship that he's apparently ready to propose.

Bottom line: I'd be a lot more worried if they had tried this earlier with the two of them and I'd probably be a lot less invested in the outcome. I am convinced the writers want the characters to want this relationship and the audience rooting for them - and doing this after they had already had some happy times makes it a lot easier and probably even less angsty cause you know that they'll be fine in the end.

(Idk if this makes any sense to you but this is my take on it based on what we currently know.)

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Just my .02 as to a possible reason that Leonard may have dreamt about Sheldon and Penny:

My understanding from my guy friend's is a guy's worst nightmare is his best friend and wife/fiancé/gf hooking up.

So in Leonard's case this means both Sheldon and Penny. 

Back in S1, I might have thought Raj or Howard was Leonard's best friend.  However, over the course of the show, I believe Leonard has come to think of Sheldon as his bestest bud.  I know bestest is not a word but it seems fitting here.

My take-

 

 

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A divorce would be climatic not anticlimactic.

There is no chance of them breaking up. Two much money for everyone involved for that to happen. It's all anticlimactic because them getting engaged was expected to happen. Raj was the bigger story because he had sex with Emily sober. same goes with their wedding. I think Bernadette had it right back in 6.2 when Penny was thinking of breaking up. She said something along the lines (and I'm sure someone like tensor will correct me) that you will have the rest of your life together to do that. she didn't buy it then and  nothing has happened to make me think she's wrong now.

 

 

 

you excepted a big engagement big marriage but got pretty cheap ones ..., and the marriage showing exchanging rings and I do kiss is hardly huge wedding ... And according to the reports those were also not shown 

and now you are expecting a successful marriage.... Which would be climactic but looks like the writers are looking for a divorce because that would be anti climatic... Just like you said like Leonard penny's 'big' events 

 

she dumped him ONCE, not a couple of times.

 

Still being in a relationship and now married, to me that implies the exact opposite. 

 

So is Penny.

 

Even if I believed your theory (which I don't), that doesn't mean Sheldon becomes her next logical choice.

I never said Sheldon is her next logical choice ... I simply said anything can happen 

Yes. Yes they can. It's their show. They can write what they want. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, people complain about it but they don't care. It's a tough world out there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

exactly what I said 

 

and to the others mentioning Bernie quote about penny dumping Leonard.... When have the writers gone for continuity..... I can also say that penny wanted to wait for her marriage because she wanted her brother to come out of jail .... Well look what happened ... Haha 

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On 21.8.2015 at 5:27 PM, vasu said:

.. I simply said anything can happen 

exactly what I said 

...indeed.....

 

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...indeed.....

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:blind:

 

i am not able to guess the meaning behind this post .... Was it agreeing with me or mocking me ??

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i am not able to guess the meaning behind this post .... Was it agreeing with me or mocking me ??

...........comforting you?........

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...........comforting you?........

Haha thanks but I'm good .... Looks like there many here who need comfort ... May be you can help them??

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