veejay Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Haha thanks but I'm good .... Looks like there many here who need comfort ... May be you can help them??I try... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I try...Do or do not .. There is not try ... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBigBangTheoryFan Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 if both of them being insecure was the reason.............I have to laugh.......because its so lame and boring and redundant......really insecure after all these years.... hardly believable....... anyway I guess that is the reason they won't even show leonard and penny's marriage properly .......... writers don't have thing for them anymore.... anyway can anyone who went to the taping....explain how they reconciled? Just because a couples have been together for many years doesn't mean they are not insecure. Many long last lasting Relationships and Marriages can have one or both partners (or Spouse) who is insecure. Insecurity is is one if the major reasons of Infidelity. Those Insecurities of Spouse or Partners can lead them to doing selfish and reckless behavior that is hurtful to others. We all know Leonard has insecurities, His Insecurity likely led him to kiss another girl on the boat which was hurtful to Penny. But she forgave him quickly because it was only a kiss. As far as we know that all it was. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Just because a couples have been together for many years doesn't mean they are not insecure. Many long last lasting Relationships and Marriages can have one or both partners (or Spouse) who is insecure. Insecurity is is one if the major reasons of Infidelity. Those Insecurities of Spouse or Partners can lead them to doing selfish and reckless behavior that is hurtful to others. We all know Leonard has insecurities, His Insecurity likely led him to kiss another girl on the boat which was hurtful to Penny. But she forgave him quickly because it was only a kiss. As far as we know that all it was. Sent from my iPad using TapatalkReally his insecurity drove him to kiss another girl .... Sounds pretty crappy ... Shouldn't it be the other way around ..anyway this concept of insecurity between Leonard penny has been beaten to death became redundant and is no longer interesting......and hardly believable .... and how penny can forgive him just like that is beyond my understanding....., and let's not forget this is not the first time Leonard cheated ..... And once a cheater is always a cheater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juni Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Really his insecurity drove him to kiss another girl .... Sounds pretty crappy ... Shouldn't it be the other way around ..anyway this concept of insecurity between Leonard penny has been beaten to death became redundant and is no longer interesting......and hardly believable .... and how penny can forgive him just like that is beyond my understanding....., and let's not forget this is not the first time Leonard cheated ..... And once a cheater is always a cheater I assume you have never really loved someone unconditionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 lets keep the discussion about the characters please ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meka3000 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 it still is, juni was making an inference about you and why they think you're having trouble comprehending why penny is still with leonard after what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I just think the Shenny make out scene is just bad writing. Why? The purpose of a writer is convey a story in a media his intended audience will understand. I agree with most of the opinions on this forum, that scene was made to show Leonard's insecurities and guilt. So the writers job is to produce a scene that does that, it is much the way they did when they addressed Leonard's insecurities by having Leonard confront Cole and lie to him, getting caught then confessing to Penny. Leonard dreaming of Penny kissing any man would have done that. Actually the guy doesn't have to do or say anything in that scene, just make out with Kaley, so they could have cast Ryan for the part. It might have been more effective if she stopped kissing the guy and looked into the camera saying 'How do you like it when I kiss a stranger, Leonard' then have him wake up. No, adding Sheldon was only for the shock value, it was an immature stunt by the writers.think about the average fan when they see 9.02 cold, they watched 9.01 and are probably wondering if Shamy is going to stay broken up and if Lenny will stay married. But what they get, as the episode opens, is a makeout session with Shenny, talk about a WTF moment. Do you really think they are going to say 'Oh that is just a dream by Leonard about his insecurities and guilt'? Or are they going to think, 'did Penny dump Leonard to be with now unattached Sheldon?' Holy Crap on a cracker! So IMO it is just a shock scene and it is bad writing. Really his insecurity drove him to kiss another girl .... Sounds pretty crappy ... Shouldn't it be the other way around ..anyway this concept of insecurity between Leonard penny has been beaten to death became redundant and is no longer interesting......and hardly believable .... and how penny can forgive him just like that is beyond my understanding....., and let's not forget this is not the first time Leonard cheated ..... And once a cheater is always a cheater then that means that Penny will always be a cheater too, because she admitted to dating a guy then sleeping with his brother or friend. So once a cheater always a cheater, therefore Leonard and Penny are perfect for each other because they have that in common and shouldn't cheaters be with cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 then that Penny will always be a cheater too, because she admitted to dating a guy then sleeping with his brother or friend. So once a cheater always a cheater, therefore Leonard and Penny are perfect for each other because they have that in common and shouldn't cheaters be with cheaters.alteast penny did it when she was in high school....leonard does it after penny says she loves him ....... and knowing how penny has been cheated on before...and how she feels about....but anyway what you said is true...cheaters should be with cheaters only...... but I still feel with the way leonard has acted over the past few seasons......penny can do a lot lot better.......and from penny's side , I rarely see her *love* for leonard..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veejay Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 alteast penny did it when she was in high school....leonard does it after penny says she loves him ....... and knowing how penny has been cheated on before...and how she feels about....but anyway what you said is true...cheaters should be with cheaters only...... but I still feel with the way leonard has acted over the past few seasons......penny can do a lot lot better.......and from penny's side , I rarely see her *love* for leonard..... if you mean season 8 and part of 7, I agree with a lot of what you say, Penny does seem less in love with Leonard and I think there is some evidence they both could do better. They are far different than season 6 and before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Sorry about getting off the topic, I am only going to comment on the subject once and I hope that most of my post refers to season nine in general so... I've read the theories about all the relationship drama and Shenny make out scene being a revenge to the fans because of all the tweets. But only a few fans have tweeted Bill. Millions of people watch The Big Bang Theory. Thousands of them ship canon couples. The ones who don't ship watch the show for humor, and all this relationship drama is suppressing it. It saddens me to think that writers would be that juvenile. And I daresay that those tweets aren't that short of rude or disrecpectful than the crap that they are going to pull out in the premiere. Fans have a right to voice their opinion, many of them have done that in a more polite way and many of them aren't happy with the direction the show is going to take. And I don't understand the logic that Shamy has to suffer because Lenny did. Is it fair? I guess, but fair doesn't equal good and it would be good if that doesn't diminish the character development and consistency that had been established prior to that, and doesn't take away from humor too much. And now it does, IMO. It also saddens me that writers would change the character's traits for a cause of a single joke or in order to boost the ratings. And that they don't realize that they have done it all wrong-it is highly unlikely that the current direction the show is taking will boost the ratings. And is that the only idea they had? The four main characters are four brilliant scientists, there have been so many interesting guest or recurring characters on the show throughout the years, so many new science fiction movies and scientific theories are being released lately, and they decide to fill the remaining two seasons and/or boost the ratings with this? I don't get the writers, I really don't.Wow.I'm not sure where you find the evidence to support the various theories you put forth here, especially the bolded lines above.Where do you get the idea that the "Shenny make out scene" is some kind of revenge to the fans because of all the tweets? First of all, all the harassing tweets came AFTER people found out about the kiss scene. And as long as we're talking about it, IMO it's NOT a "Shenny kiss" in the senst that there is no suggestion of a romantic relationship between them in that scene. Just because Sheldon and Penny appear in a scene together doesn't make it a "Shenny" scene. Should we then label every scene where characters are together by a simliar acronym? Should the scavenger hunt scenes between Amy and Howard be given a similar label--after all, they were bonding over their love of Neal Diamond?The makeout scene is a moment--from a bad dream--not some kind of harbinger of things to come.And how is "all this relationship drama" supposed to be "suppressing" anything? So Sheldon and Amy are having their rough patch. When Leonard and Penny went through their various ups and downs the show was still considered funny. They had a sad moment with the break up in the bowling alley, but that didn't stop even that episode from being funny. Life is full of moments of humor and sadness--why is it impossible to ride with these characters on that journey?And what is it that makes the writers "juvenile"? Just because you don't like a moment in an episode, or a story developing over a few episodes doesn't mean the writers have somehow become "juvenile". They're not writing fart jokes or poop jokes (though they've done that in the past and I don't remember anyone complaining about "juvenile" writing.How is the premiere "disrespectful"? The tweets Bill was getting are indeed disrespectful. He and his team wrote and episode they felt was telling the story they wanted to tell in the way they wanted to tell it, and they got a bunch of idiots saying essentially the same thing you're saying here--"WHY?!?!?!?!" when it's not their place to attack and harass professionals for doing their job.They can complain all the want on sites like this, or write into TV Guide or whatever they want to do if they don't like an episode (AFTER it airs), but no one has the right to get all in Prady or anyone else's face about it--especially based on spoilers.I also don't understand this idea that anyone knows the "direction the show is going to take" based on TWO episodes telling a story that is not yet resolved. That's like getting mad about Gone With The Wind because the Scarlett O'Hara marries these other men rather than Rhett Butler without bothering to finish the book.I can't believe you think you can tell the writers "they've done it all wrong" again, before you know how anything plays out or how the story gets told in the long run. Or that you can tell that "they decide to fill the last two seasons with this?" when all we've seen is TWO EPISODES. And we haven't even actually SEEN them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonmar Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 From Entertainment Weekly: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/21/spoiler-room-big-bang-theory-supernatural-spoilers?hootPostID=957d28f1cae1627e2b99f9f6ecc9db54Spoiler Room: Scoop on Big Bang, Murder, Supernaturaland more I need some hope for Shamy before The Big Bang Theory returns. — KaraDoes this help? “The fate of the ring Sheldon held at the end of the episode — and the fate of other rings — will be revealed,” the BBT producers tell me. In possibly related news, I can exclusively reveal that Laurie Metcalf will reprise her role as Sheldon’s mother in the premiere, while Keith Carradine returns as Penny’s father in the third episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Thanks, Vonmar. Am I misunderstanding the term "premiere," or...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notchinc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) From Entertainment Weekly: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/21/spoiler-room-big-bang-theory-supernatural-spoilers?hootPostID=957d28f1cae1627e2b99f9f6ecc9db54Spoiler Room: Scoop on Big Bang, Murder, Supernaturaland more I need some hope for Shamy before The Big Bang Theory returns. — KaraDoes this help? “The fate of the ring Sheldon held at the end of the episode — and the fate of other rings — will be revealed,” the BBT producers tell me. In possibly related news, I can exclusively reveal that Laurie Metcalf will reprise her role as Sheldon’s mother in the premiere, while Keith Carradine returns as Penny’s father in the third episode. The mother tidbit is so interesting. I wonder what words of wisdom Mary Cooper will add to the premiere episode. Very excited for Penny's father for next week's taping. Too bad we get a father, but no mother. Edited August 21, 2015 by notchinc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrycec03 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) unless its a secret scene, I didn't see Laurie at all in the premiere....and now I'm thinking where the secret scene would fall.... Edited August 21, 2015 by kerrycec03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notchinc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 unless its a secret scene, I didn't see Laurie at all in the premiere....and now I'm thinking where the secret scene would fall....I already know............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirs1 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Secret scene!!wow...it was a family ring...I knew it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 They could tape it next week like they taped the tag of Locomotion after the episode, and Laurie might not have been available.. Thank THE LORD THE RING HAS BEEN FOUND! Also I am excited why am I trash? Why don't I love myself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaffeineBuzz Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wait, what the hell??? Yeah now I'm trying to figure out where that scene could possibly insert in the premiere. Shoot, was there any scene that seemed out of context guys? I'm wracking my brain now. Family ring, I'm calling it now and now Molaro was right. God where could that scene be fit in, this is driving me nuts now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Rosa Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 A ''secret scene'' at the premiere wouldn't affect the final result from the first episode, unfortunatelly, and now there's a mystery of where does it fits.But is good to see Penny's father again! (which I call Robert ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Didn't Kaz make a point of there being no tag scene in the first ep? She said that it was referred to as the "final piece." Also it was mentioned by someone that the episode didn't feel quite finished. There could possibly be a tag scene with Sheldon speaking with his mom via Skype. Maybe she asks how the proposal went since it might be a family ring. Who knows! This is exciting though. I agree with Chloe I don't think it's a secret scene so much as they need to wait to film it when Laurie is free. Also, koops was confused in the Shamy thread about how Sheldon could be so impacted by Penny's revelation that Amy supposedly thinks Sheldon is a bad boyfriend and then Sheldon immediately goes on a campaign to win Amy back like nothing happened. Perhaps he talks with his mom and she gives him a pep talk to get her back. I'm sorry haha my wild speculation has no mellow. Edited August 21, 2015 by Maddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Rosa Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Didn't Kaz make a point of there being no tag scene in the first ep? She said that it was referred to as the "final piece." Also it was mentioned by someone that the episode didn't feel quite finished. There could possibly be a tag scene with Sheldon speaking with his mom via chat. Maybe she asks how the proposal went since it might be a family ring. Who knows! This is exciting though. I agree with Chloe I don't think it's a secret scene so much as they need to wait to film it when Laurie is free. I don't even know the difference between "final scene" and "tag scene", and the meaning of "cold open", lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juni Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I already know............... Ooooohhh! Care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 That is probably why Bill is upset, people are giving him 'Hell' and they are not even done taping the first episode. For all we know the Mary and Sheldon scene could be incredibly sweet, where she tells Sheldon that she knows Amy loves him and he just needs to give her time to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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