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Penny is not going to encourage Amy to get back with Sheldon if she doesn't think Amy is getting what she needs out of the relationship   If Shamy can work it out, Penny will be cheering on the sidelines, but in the meantime she is going to encourage Amy to take advantage of her current status.

We all know that sex is very important to Penny.   In her mind, there is something wrong with a relationship where sex is not present.  She has Sheldon convinced he lost Amy because he hasn't put out.     She is pushing Amy into a direction of opportunity here.    I don't think she means any harm by it, she is just trying to guide Amy on what she thinks is wrong with their relationship and pushing her toward a resolution based on her conclusions.

This is JMO, and I concede that I could be extremely far-fetched in my thinking here.

I can foresee some possible tension between Sheldon and Penny over all of this and Leonard being caught in the middle.

i agree it's sad and she has been a hige Shamy shipper, but Penny has also pushed Amy a lot when it comes to Sheldon. In Flaming Spitoon Penny was the one who said "you don't have a boyfriend, you have a Sheldon" and pushed her to date Stuart. Then in The Weekend Vortex she's the one who pushed Amy to stand up for herself to Sheldon and make a scene. I don't it surprising in the least that she pushed Amy to move on and tell her mom. 

Does it sadden me? Yes. Do I like it? No. But do I think Penny's out of character? No.

Yes I can agree with both these points. Penny is a good friend who cares for both Sheldon and Amy but her relationship experiences are so unlike what Shamy have that it's hard for her to empathize. Therefore she can't offer them good advice. I just wanna see Sheldon and Amy figure this whole thing out by themselves and decide that what they have is unique and special. I want Amy to stop caring about what other people say and to admit that she values Sheldon-romance over novel-romance.

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Yes I can agree with both these points. Penny is a good friend who cares for both Sheldon and Amy but her relationship experiences are so unlike what Shamy have that it's hard for her to empathize. Therefore she can't offer them good advice. I just wanna see Sheldon and Amy figure this whole thing out by themselves and decide that what they have is unique and special. I want Amy to stop caring about what other people say and to admit that she values Sheldon-romance over novel-romance.

THIS x 1000. And maybe that's not enough.

As much as I love the character of Amy, and I agree that Sheldon's failings are many, this is my main concern with Amy. She thinks of romance much as a fourteen-year-old girl does -- all hearts and flowers and chocolates. Amy needs to find a way to work past novel-romance, and learn to accept her partner (yes, I am optimistic it will be Sheldon) for who he is and as he is. Blessings, failings, and all.

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THIS x 1000. And maybe that's not enough.

As much as I love the character of Amy, and I agree that Sheldon's failings are many, this is my main concern with Amy. She thinks of romance much as a fourteen-year-old girl does -- all hearts and flowers and chocolates. Amy needs to find a way to work past novel-romance, and learn to accept her partner (yes, I am optimistic it will be Sheldon) for who he is and as he is. Blessings, failings, and all.

Well Amy has been said many times to have the mindset of a teenage girl. It's time for her to mature a bit. Sheldon too. This is my biggest wish for the outcome of this breakup.

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Yes I can agree with both these points. Penny is a good friend who cares for both Sheldon and Amy but her relationship experiences are so unlike what Shamy have that it's hard for her to empathize. Therefore she can't offer them good advice. I just wanna see Sheldon and Amy figure this whole thing out by themselves and decide that what they have is unique and special. I want Amy to stop caring about what other people say and to admit that she values Sheldon-romance over novel-romance.

I'm still not convinced that Amy has ever really wanted novel-romance.   It just doesn't tie in with her saying that she thought the RA was romantic for me. 

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I'm still not convinced that Amy has ever really wanted novel-romance.   It just doesn't tie in with her saying that she thought the RA was romantic for me. 

I don't think that they're necessarily mutually exclusive. But I think that deep down she values one (Sheldon-romance) over the other (traditional romance) but she needs to figure that out.

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I don't think that they're necessarily mutually exclusive. But I think that deep down she values one (Sheldon-romance) over the other (traditional romance) but she needs to figure that out.

She does need to figure, I agree.  I think she does know, but is getting confused by her friends.

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I honestly don't see Penny as some kind of monster or horrible friend here (closet thing aside! LOL). I don't even think that her pushing Amy to tell her mom had anything to do with her wanting to push her away from Sheldon as much as with getting back at Amy for forcing her to tell her dad about the wedding. Similarly, I think that the point of Bernie calling her out on her FB status isn't so much to push her away from Sheldon as more of a "what are you doing here?". I think the vibe we are meant to get is that Amy is not ready to embrace this breakup at all and they are just confused as to what's going on. Maybe Trina can explain in more detail, but that's the vibe I'm getting.

I do also think there's an element of P/B not getting it. As much as Penny ships the Shamy, she also doesn't really understand their relationship and I agree that she is looking at this with the mindset of the general audience really: the main problem being Amy wants to be physical and Sheldon doesn't seem to. She's been pushing the 'sex' button on the two of them for a long time, and while that's often light-hearted teasing, it's also a sign of not being able to understand where they're coming from or what the issues really are. Penny and Bernadette are regular people with regular romances and regular ex romances, they're seeing things from their own perspective and trying to be helpful from their own perspective and seeing the problems that they would have a problem with. It would indeed be nice if the result of this whole story isn't just for Sheldon and Amy to learn to appreciate what they have instead of striving to copy what the others do, but for the show to make a statement via contrasting Shamy's brand of romance with the other's through this conflict that there's no one right way to do this and the important thing is what works for each pairing. If the show prides itself so much on celebrating differences, it would be great if they could show that this isn't just a plot device to drag things out but a plot device to make a broader statement about how it's ok to be different.

Totally agree.

Edited by A Shamy gal

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very true Koops with the whole sex thing & Penny.  In Pennys world, that's an important factor of a relationship.  As Raj said, its her only quiver... So in Pennys eyes "taking Amy's ear virginity" is a way of getting her to move forward in that world. 

 

I think the main thing in regards to Shamy in this episode is they are both seriously still in love with each other.  And that's huge.  Honestly the whole FB status thing proves she isn't ready to let go.  More than we go in the previous episodes.

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The Bachelor Party Corrosion

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Thank you so much for the super detailed report!! <3

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Oh and the girls were all drinking wine, but I wouldn't say they were drunk. I'm not sure about Penny's motivations, but I don't think she was being a monster or anything. They were just joking around, having fun. To me, Amy is obviously very reluctant to make any declarations that make her break up with Sheldon seem permanent and Penny is just trying to be a supportive friend.

Thank goodness for that! 

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I agree don't watch it but I don't think it will knock sense into the writers. They have a story they want to tell and they will tell it. They are signed for two years. I for one have to see things play out on tv before I judge. I have to say I agree with Bill Prady on this one. What you read is not always what you see on TV. But this is my opinion and I respect everyone on here that won't watch because you don't like what you have read. This new episode sounds light hearted after two very drama filled episodes and I remember last week people asking if this was a comedy. I can totally see the guys not knowing how to,change a tire on a car. Should they probably but who would have taught them? It's not something that everyone knows how to do. I will watch and if it is silly or ridiculous so be it. I will still watch because I trust the writers. They can't have a great episode every week. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

while I can see Sheldon, Leonard and Raj not knowing how to change a tire--perhaps--I cannot see howard, an engineer with a masters from MIT designing stuff for space--unable to do so. But consistency isn't the writers strong suit. Didn't we just have Amy with "unnaturally brittle ankles" unable to go skating last year, talk about going skating???? 

 

 

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Howard was changing the tire and said he knew how. The other guys didn't. The problem was they just couldn't get that one lug nut off, that's what caused the problems.

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Oh and the girls were all drinking wine, but I wouldn't say they were drunk. I'm not sure about Penny's motivations, but I don't think she was being a monster or anything. They were just joking around, having fun. To me, Amy is obviously very reluctant to make any declarations that make her break up with Sheldon seem permanent and Penny is just trying to be a supportive friend.

thank you for all the info :) 

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I think the main thing in regards to Shamy in this episode is they are both seriously still in love with each other.  And that's huge.  Honestly the whole FB status thing proves she isn't ready to let go.  More than we go in the previous episodes.

this makes me so happy!

Oh and the girls were all drinking wine, but I wouldn't say they were drunk. I'm not sure about Penny's motivations, but I don't think she was being a monster or anything. They were just joking around, having fun. To me, Amy is obviously very reluctant to make any declarations that make her break up with Sheldon seem permanent and Penny is just trying to be a supportive friend.

Good, I didn't want to black mark Penny

Thanks again though. Nice to see a new light on the ep

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It's always amazing how one simple sentence or clarification can make the episode seem that much more positive :icon_biggrin:

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while I can see Sheldon, Leonard and Raj not knowing how to change a tire--perhaps--I cannot see howard, an engineer with a masters from MIT designing stuff for space--unable to do so. But consistency isn't the writers strong suit. Didn't we just have Amy with "unnaturally brittle ankles" unable to go skating last year, talk about going skating???? 

 

 

Oh the writers are definitely inconsistent....the brittle ankles and her hips not opening when she can run down stairs. But Howard not knowing also.....he has been proven to not be a very good engineer,( remember the helicopter and space toilet?) In Love Car Displacement, Penny was in car one because in case of a breakdown he Nebraska upbringing and man hands would help the, survive. Bernadette was in the other car and I'm sure they thought she could handle it. If they knew her background as having a father who was a cop, that's one of the first things my father taught me to do once I started driving. This is just my thoughts though. But the writers are very inconsistent. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Howard was changing the tire and said he knew how. The other guys didn't. The problem was they just couldn't get that one lug nut off, that's what caused the problems.

I stand corrected, Howard knew how. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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