Non-Show Discussion Chit Chat: Season 9

[SRAM]

No one is saying kill all the animals, I'm all in favor of protecting animals, but I do not think an animals life is equal to a humans.  

[luminous]

Keeping the circumstances in perspective the zoo simply had no other choice (but also bears part of the blame in this terrible incident), because it would have taken too long until tranquilizers would have had an effect.

It's just sad that the actions of this man, who obviously overcame the zoo's safety arrangements and climbed into the lion's enclosure deliberately, have caused the death of two beautiful animals. In the moment the lions, who followed their natural instincts and reacted to a invasion of their space, mauled the man their fate was sealed. It's just sad.

 

Edited May 23, 2016 by luminous

[SRAM]

35 minutes ago, luminous said:

Keeping the circumstances in perspective the zoo simply had no other choice, because it would have taken too long until tranquilizers would have had an effect.

It's just sad that the actions of this man, who obviously overcame the zoo's safety arrangements, climbed into the lion's enclosure deliberately and get naked, have caused the death of two beautiful animals. In the moment the lions, who followed their natural instincts and reacted to a invasion of their space, mauled the man their fate was sealed. It's just sad.

What the man did was wrong and what he did was a crime so I agree he should be held accountable for his offense.  During his trial the state of his mind will be taken into account and hopefully he will receive the proper justice.

i just don't feel that standing there and watching two lions tear a human apart because the man was wrong and the lions were not the ones to cause the situation, is right either.

We are our brothers keeper and I don't mean that in a religious way. Being in the military taught me that you sometimes even have to take care of the people you don't like when they are too stupid to take care of themselves.

[Jonny]

Kaley is wrong, just because the Gorilla held its hand for a second doesn't mean the child wasn't in real danger. That was a 400lb Silverback Gorilla, he could kill a large human in a split second nevermind a young child. Alpha Males can be extremely temperamental, if they had gone into the enclosure to try and get the kid out he would have challenged them to assert his dominance. Tranquilizing wasn't an option either as it would have taken minutes to kick in on an animal that large and powerful and what happens if the Gorilla had fallen on the kid?

I'm not a parent but I know as a kid and having siblings that keeping an eye on your children 100% of the time can be difficult, kids do sometimes get away from their parents.

If anyone is to blame it sounds like the zoo, perhaps their safety and security measures in place weren't good enough which led to the wandering kid falling into the enclosure. If that's the case then the death of the animal is because of the zoo's failures not because of the parents failing to control their kid.

Edited May 31, 2016 by Jonny83

[Guest]

Well, if you look at the videos, that gorilla was certainly not just "holding his hand".

[TBBT78]

Clearly I can't make a judgment as to whether the parents were at fault for not supervising their child, but what I can't quiet get my head around how the boy fell into the enclosure and why it wasn't completely fenced off to prevent this.

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[The preacher]

8 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

Kaley is wrong, just because the Gorilla held its hand for a second doesn't mean the child wasn't in real danger. That was a 400lb Silverback Gorilla, he could kill a large human in a split second nevermind a young child. Alpha Males can be extremely temperamental, if they had gone into the enclosure to try and get the kid out he would have challenged them to assert his dominance. Tranquilizing wasn't an option either as it would have taken minutes to kick in on an animal that large and powerful and what happens if the Gorilla had fallen on the kid?

I'm not a parent but I know as a kid and having siblings that keeping an eye on your children 100% of the time can be difficult, kids do sometimes get away from their parents.

If anyone is to blame it sounds like the zoo, perhaps their safety and security measures in place weren't good enough which led to the wandering kid falling into the enclosure. If that's the case then the death of the animal is because of the zoo's failures not because of the parents failing to control their kid.

at the end of the day the parents ARE responsbile for the kid,He was four years old how in the world do you allow a four year old run around in a zoo.Also it seemed the Gorllia was trying to protect the kid.It was the  loud crowds that was starling the Gorilla that made him go a bit insane.

Kaley has the right to voice her opinon and she was a bit Cattle Decapitation with her last instagram post but she has the rights to post it.

[Swedish Chef]

Sadly when the child falls into the enclosure the zoo personnel doesn´t have much alternatives.

I must say that in this case I´m blaming the parents for not supervising their child. Many parents in Sweden today are more busy checking their status on Facebook or posting nice picture on Instagram than watching what their kids are doing. 

[Stephen Hawking]

1 hour ago, Lagernisse said:

Sadly when the child falls into the enclosure the zoo personnel doesn´t have much alternatives.

And yet, some years ago:-

 

[Judith]

If anything, the zoo itself should punish the parents. Because of their negligence,they ended up losing one of their exhibits (that's what these poor animals are at the end of the day). I haven't watched any of the footage but from what I've read, it sounds like the staff unfortunately didn't have much of a choice. They couldn't risk the child...Can you imagine what they would have to face after that?

Kaley had every right to voice her opinion...She's a known animal lover. Does she really get a lot of backlash on her instagram? She's a woman so I'm not surprised, but at the  same time I don't get it cause she's harmless.

[SRAM]

3 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

And yet, some years ago:-

 

  And then you have this.  The point is these are wild animals, they are not domesticated like a dog or cats.  You don't know for sure what they will do in a situation, they may be docile or attack.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)

I have a macaw that I have had since he was a baby, but he is still a wild animal and you have to learn to know him and watch his moods to not get hurt.  I'm proud to say in about 10 years, I've only been bit hard twice, once while he was scared and once when half asleep, both times were partly my fault and even then both bites were quick and he didn't break any bones, just tissue, so he wasn't trying to hurt me.  The point is they are wild animals, and they will act on centuries of instinct when they don't know what to do or get agitated.

[3ku11]

That's the point they had to shoot the Gorilla. Because the backlash they would of got if the kid died, would have been much worser. I just think when people say they woulden't of shot the Gorilla. I am like what? So the only other option despite their reckless parents putting them in that position. Is watch the kid get mauled. Because that is what it sounds. Key is responsiblity on both ends. Responsibility from the parents, kids, and the zoo. Doesen't sound like that happened. I had an issue with what Kaley said. Because she was being too partial. And she diddn't get her facts straight. Like they were holding hands lol. Seeing the Gorilla grabbed the kid and rushed him around. So I don't think he was just holding his hand. So she really needed to realize that before she posted. Prob best she diddn't post at all. 

[luminous]

Using the search on Instagram I stumbled over a posting from a news TV channel (the name is starting with an "F"), in which a quote from Kaley's IG posting about the gorilla issue is displayed. The news channel captions it with "Actress #KaleyCuoco called the killing of the #gorilla "senseless." What do you think?"

Unfortunately I made the mistake to read the comments. Wow...I never, really never, have read such vile and malicious insults and verbal assaults towards Kaley. You can disagree with someone, that's ok, but this amount of relentless hate towards Kaley has shocked me.

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, luminous said:

Using the search on Instagram I stumbled over a posting from a news TV channel (the name is starting with an "F"), in which a quote from Kaley's IG posting about the gorilla issue is displayed. The news channel captions it with "Actress #KaleyCuoco called the killing of the #gorilla "senseless." What do you think?"

Unfortunately I made the mistake to read the comments. Wow...I never, really never, have read such vile and malicious insults and verbal assaults towards Kaley. You can disagree with someone, that's ok, but this amount of relentless hate towards Kaley has shocked me.

That's the problem with social media, people can be anonymous and get away with being really nasty pieces of work. I strongly disagree with Kaley's stance on this issue but she should be entitled to her views without fear of online abuse, but that's not the way the world or online world specifically works sadly.

[April]

1 hour ago, Jonny83 said:

That's the problem with social media, people can be anonymous and get away with being really nasty pieces of work. I strongly disagree with Kaley's stance on this issue but she should be entitled to her views without fear of online abuse, but that's not the way the world or online world specifically works sadly.

The really frightening stuff is that plenty of people are even doing that with their real names in full display. So it's not even "oh anonymity just makes them feel invulnerable" - they'd be the same kind of assholes either way because a woman on the internet with opinions? Gasp! We can't have that!! Burn her at the stake!!11 ughhh

[Carlos]

On 28/05/2016 at 10:35 PM, SRAM said:

Correct, but the poor zoo officials had a very few minutes to decide what to do, they tried non-lethal methods and things got worse instead of better, so they chose the path that put the human's life before the animals.  At the time they had no idea the man's mental state or why it was even happening, they just acted with compassion for another human being.  It is easy for us to dissect this after it is over, when we have the luxury of time, but based on how little time they had to make the right decision and what data they had available to them, I think they did the best they could.

I am for animal rights, but if I have to decide between an animal's and a human's life I'd choose human 100 % of the time.

On 31/05/2016 at 8:33 AM, No Regrets said:

 

Well, I don't think the life of an animal is worth less than the life of a human, even though all humans unsurprisingly think so. I bet the animals would see it differently.

People automatically assume that that gorilla thought, "Well, I'm just gonna drag this kid around, don't really care what happens", when it's just as likely that it thought, "What's with all these people screaming? There must be danger. Better protect this little human and take it somewhere safe."

Again, this animal couldn't possibly have known better. The mother of that kid, though? Definitely.

First of all you cannot in good conscience even assume that what you propose is how things went down, and secondly yes, a human life is worth more than an animal's. Of course the mother of the kid id to blame, but we shouldn't make the child pay for the stupidity of its mother, can we. The child is just as innocent as the animal, isn't it?

[3ku11]

Yes the child is just as innocent as the animal. And I don't like how Kaley said OH the animal shoulden't of  been shot. One she wasen't their. Two the only other option was to watch the kid die. Because I am sorry at the end of the day, that was the 2nd option. So Kaley needs to think  before she posts. Sorry to get OT Tensor :D. But just nedded to point that out. 

[The preacher]

3 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Yes the child is just as innocent as the animal. And I don't like how Kaley said OH the animal shoulden't of  been shot. One she wasen't their. Two the only other option was to watch the kid die. Because I am sorry at the end of the day, that was the 2nd option. So Kaley needs to think  before she posts. Sorry to get OT Tensor :D. But just nedded to point that out. 

or you could  let her post what she wants to

[The preacher]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/jane-goodall-slain-zoo-gorilla-223216216.html

Kaley has another backer.

[JE7]

4 hours ago, The preacher said:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/jane-goodall-slain-zoo-gorilla-223216216.html

Kaley has another backer.

So they both think an animals life is equal to a humans, and they are both wrong. NO animals life should be placed before that of a human especially a child. 

They are beautiful and majestic yes but in the end they are wild animals not people no matter how much some people try to make it so they are not our equals

Edited June 2, 2016 by JE7

[3ku11]

Exactly. Like oh this beautiful animal. That beautiful animal was about to maul that kid. For the record the kid is fine, if anyone actually cares lol. ITs sad the animal died. But this world actually thinks an animal is equal to a human, no they are not. That is absurd. KAley saying oh I woulden't of shot the animal. Oh so what you would of shot the kid instead? Seeing that was the other option. And it seems from what I have read, that is what ppl are inferring. IT seems KAley is supporting this. Yes the Gorilla dying was unfortunate. We got a beast in their most likely probably going to maul that kid to death. And the animal dies, and we got a poor kid who is probably traumatized, regardless if he put it on himself. And more people care about the bloody Gorilla lol. Sorry that is just wrong. 

[JE7]

Kaley has with this kneejerk reaction done something she has never done before, she has damaged the "Kaley brand".

She could have taken a few minutes to think and chose her words more carefully and still gotten her point across without the inflammatory rhetoric and shown some compassion for the victims thus avoiding this kerfuffle.

I have allways respected Kaley and besides a general problem with choosing men she has allways been a good role model for girls and young women thankfull for what she has been given and the fans who gave it to her, humble and with an amazing amount of common sense for a "celebrity". Unfortunately these posts have cost her some of that respect, at least with me 

 

Edited June 2, 2016 by JE7

[Jonny]

She's clearly passionate about animals but perhaps it wasn't wise to highlight something about a subject that she knows little about or in the manner that she did. At the end of the day she's entitled to her opinion and she doesn't deserve to be abused for it.

[JE7]

Absolutely agree she has a right to her opinions/beliefs and  people should be more respectful when they express their disagreement unfortunately common courtesy is now very uncommon 

[hokie3457]

It's a shame that there isn't more talk/examination of the entire zoo culture. With two major incidents over the past few weeks (both of which KC weighed in on in a manner that was not unexpected, given what we know of her passion for animals...) I wish there would be discussion of an antiquated custom of displaying wild animals. I realize that some good work is done by some organizations, but the showcasing of animals as is now, is a broken system and there needs to be changes made. Things like the event of a child falling (or wandering or jumping or otherwise entering) an animal enclosure---and the matter of the mentally ill man entering an enclosure for whatever reason his mind had for that decision--provide more than enough evidence.

Regardless of any views, part of what Kaley says has merit, as do all opposing opinions. Something has to be done to protect the public, the workers associated with theses institutions (including places such as SeaWorld) and the animals within the institutions.