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If the live audience stops laughing when this comes up it will disappear from the show. 

 

Well that's my theory. I recall J Leno would repeat jokes unless/until they stopped getting laughs.

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If the live audience stops laughing when this comes up it will disappear from the show. 

 

Well that's my theory. I recall J Leno would repeat jokes unless/until they stopped getting laughs.

 

Not necessarily.  "Bazinga" got plenty of laughs when Sheldon used it in seasons 2-5.  In season 6+, the writers stopped going back to the well.

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There is no problem with women earning more than their partners, where there is a problem is when its rubbed nastily in someone's face (Bernadette)

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There is no problem with women earning more than their partners, where there is a problem is when its rubbed nastily in someone's face (Bernadette)

 

Exactly!

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I really like that Penny now has financial freedom and a job she enjoys and is really good at. I like the role reversal of women making more than men on the show. What I don't like seeing is Howard asking for an allowance or Leonard getting upset that Penny now has a financial planner. They all have great jobs that pay well, but whatever works for a laugh...shrugs.

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I can't stand the fact that Bernadette uses the fact that she makes more to verbally abuse Howard, but I'm in the small minority in that I liked how it was used with Leonard and Penny. IIRC, it wasn't even brought up until someone else mentioned it, which said to me that she saw it as a non-issue, not worth discussing and certainly not worth using as a power source. 

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I know that Penny has never used it against Leonard, but I hated the Wil Wheaton episode where se told Leonard that she had people ( or a guy, I think she said) because I find that unrealistic. What I hated about that episode too, was that Leonard was way too whiny.

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I know that Penny has never used it against Leonard, but I hated the Wil Wheaton episode where se told Leonard that she had people ( or a guy, I think she said) because I find that unrealistic. What I hated about that episode too, was that Leonard was way too whiny.

 

How so? Not criticizing, just wondering. When she said she had a guy, as in a financial advisor of sorts, I didn't find that hard to believe. My dad is in that field and he's had clients from all different income brackets. 

 

I agree with you regarding Leonard in that episode. 

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DaisyJane: What I find unrealistic is that Penny who used to be soooooo irresponsible with money (having a hard time deciding if she should keep the shoes or pay rent in an earlier season) now even has a financial guy that manages her money. I guess I find it unrealistic that she became so responsible (with money)all of a sudden. Not that it is a bad thing, or that I don't consider Penny incapable of that change, it's just that it doesn't ring 100 % true as presented in the show.

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DaisyJane: What I find unrealistic is that Penny who used to be soooooo irresponsible with money (having a hard time deciding if she should keep the shoes or pay rent in an earlier season) now even has a financial guy that manages her money. I guess I find it unrealistic that she became so responsible (with money)all of a sudden. Not that it is a bad thing, or that I don't consider Penny incapable of that change, it's just that it doesn't ring 100 % true as presented in the show.

Exactly! I could buy it if they showed her really trying to be more financially responsible and they could've done this easily. I remember a scene where she's at the mail box and she's bummed about getting a credit card canceled and another piece of mail is a credit card offer or something like that.

They could've done a similar quick little scene showing her opening up a credit card bill and saying something like, "yes! Only $100 more dollars before this ones paid off!"

But going from having a shoe obsession and having a hard time paying her bills to suddenly having extra money to invest? No.

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Exactly! I could buy it if they showed her really trying to be more financially responsible and they could've done this easily. I remember a scene where she's at the mail box and she's bummed about getting a credit card canceled and another piece of mail is a credit card offer or something like that.

They could've done a similar quick little scene showing her opening up a credit card bill and saying something like, "yes! Only $100 more dollars before this ones paid off!"

But going from having a shoe obsession and having a hard time paying her bills to suddenly having extra money to invest? No.

Yeah. Just like it didn't make sense when she quit her job at the cheesecake factory but she had saving to tie her over for a few months. Unbelievable.

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I know that Penny has never used it against Leonard, but I hated the Wil Wheaton episode where se told Leonard that she had people ( or a guy, I think she said) because I find that unrealistic. What I hated about that episode too, was that Leonard was way too whiny.

How is her having a guy unrealistic? You make it sound like its complicated, its not.

But going from having a shoe obsession and having a hard time paying her bills to suddenly having extra money to invest? No.

She had a hard time paying her bills MOSTLY because she was relatively making bubkus @ The Cheesecake Factory compared to her job as a pharmaceutical sales rep.

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It is unrealistic because before she was VERY irresponsible with her money. I know that getting a guy is not complicated, but it does ring fake that she became soooo responsible with money when mere months ago she wasn't.

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It is unrealistic because before she was VERY irresponsible with her money. I know that getting a guy is not complicated, but it does ring fake that she became soooo responsible with money when mere months ago she wasn't.

Months ago (season 7) she wasn't making smart decisions with her life. The engagement was a turning point in terms of her making smart decisions.

If she can focus on studying in Las Vegas with MANY distractions, I don't see how her making smarter decisions financially is that big a leap.

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Hold on I thought Penny was only with Leonard because he is rich lol. What now she makes more then Leonard? I know she is doing well in Pharm Rep, but she is not rolling in it. It is pretty common these days the women makes more then the man. Their is also some men who make more then some women. This is about gender roles. And it is refreshing in BBT they are challenging them, instead of sticking to tired out tropes. 

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Recently rewatched an episode from S5 where Howard agreed to stay home with any children he and Bernadette have. While I didn't find it egregious at the time, I couldn't help but think how awful that'd be with the Bernadette we see now. She'd definitely use her role as the sole breadwinner to manipulate, berate, and humiliate Howard, more than she does now. I've seen the type, and she's it. 

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You have this right, thirty seconds worth of googling, shows it could have been anywhere from 172k on the low end and 215k on the high end, when he was an active astronaut.   79-122k for his mission specialist pay and and average of 93k for Cal Tech aerospace engineers.    He's probably below the median for NASA, (call it 90-95k) and above the median at Cal Tech (as an astronaut with various pieces of equipment in space call it 100-105k) puts him right around 200k.  Nowadays, without being an active astronaut, and only including his Cal Tech earnings (which probably have gone up since his successful completion of his mission),  that still puts Howard, by himself, in the top 25% of household earnings and close to the top 8%.  I can't see how that isn't a lot of money.   

Late to this party, but it really depends what it is that you're Googling. You can end up with a very skewed perception of income in these fields, depending on what you're googling and what job titles you come up with because, for example, if you Google engineering salaries, tons of those hits are going to include income from the private sector and not specify the levels of qualifications required etc. The private sector is where the big money is at. Howard went on one mission in space, he obviously will have made quite a bit of money from that, but that was a one-off. Lots of people have gone on one mission in space. Also, if you google just Cal Tech aerospace engineers, you're going to end up with an average value that is greatly skewed because it could include anything from people like Howard to tenured Professors of Engineering. 

I think a lot of people don't appreciate that working in academia, especially without a PhD, one does not make a lot of money. Unless one is a tenured Professor, and even then, it varies grately from institution to institution and from rank to rank. The private sector is where the big money is. Bernadette in the pharmaceutical industry in particular would be making tons more money. Howard doesn't have a PhD (so no upward mobility in the academic sector) and the startup salary for a new post-doc (someone just out of a PhD) is currently around 45-55k before tax. Even assuming Howard's salary scale has increased through the years, which surely must have, considering his lack of PhD and therefore the fact that he would have started on an even lower payscale than a post-doc, he wouldn't be making anywhere neat the 200k you are suggesting. He will most definitely be making less than the other three guys and Amy. 

Bottom line is the private sector, given the same qualifications and skills, will ALWAYS pay tons more money than an academic institution. While Howard might not be making "peanuts" compared to the working class American, Bernadette does make tons more money than he ever will in his job. And Penny's job too is incredibly well paid, even without academic qualifications. I was shocked when I looked it up how easy it is to apparently get into sales representative jobs even without degrees and how much money these people seem to make. Yes, the show might exaggerate this for laughs (and we can debate forever about whether or not that's sexist and why that is), but it's actually fairly realistic in that respect. 

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Yeah, I get that why the three physicists continue to work in academia, but I never understood why Howard hasn't ventured into the private sector as an engineer. With his qualifications, he'd quickly snatch up a higher paying job. 

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Yeah, I get that why the three physicists continue to work in academia, but I never understood why Howard hasn't ventured into the private sector as an engineer. With his qualifications, he'd quickly snatch up a higher paying job. 

Because then you don't get the cafeteria scenes with the guys :icon_wink:  I always found his job a little bit odd. While it's true that you don't need a PhD to be a successful engineer, and I guess academia gives you more freedom to pursue your own line of work and interests than the private sector, if he was planning to stay in academia all along, why not get a PhD? It's not like he's not smart enough to get one and had to settle for a research assistant job position. I guess they just wanted the easy jokes about Howard knowing a lot of doctors. Or maybe they wanted a bit of variety and felt like having 4 PhDs was boring. Who knows though? Maybe that could be a future plot for him? Change jobs or get a PhD? 

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It is unrealistic because before she was VERY irresponsible with her money. I know that getting a guy is not complicated, but it does ring fake that she became soooo responsible with money when mere months ago she wasn't.

The only thing I can think of Carlos is that the people she works with told her or was talking about their "guy" and how she needed to get one.  In an effort to show Leonard (and herself) that she could be responsible she did it.  And maybe that "guy" is the one who helped her be a bit more responsible with money.  Remember when your money is invested, it's not that easy to take it out to buy a sweater or a pair of shoes...

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Because then you don't get the cafeteria scenes with the guys :icon_wink:  I always found his job a little bit odd. While it's true that you don't need a PhD to be a successful engineer, and I guess academia gives you more freedom to pursue your own line of work and interests than the private sector, if he was planning to stay in academia all along, why not get a PhD? It's not like he's not smart enough to get one and had to settle for a research assistant job position. I guess they just wanted the easy jokes about Howard knowing a lot of doctors. Or maybe they wanted a bit of variety and felt like having 4 PhDs was boring. Who knows though? Maybe that could be a future plot for him? Change jobs or get a PhD?

I'll take a stab at answering this. I worked at a place for ten years. The place I worked at was kind of like a small mom & pop place. When I started I think we had a dozen to eighteen employees. The place was great to work at. Everyone was like a friend. We would go out to eat together, and were in a bowling league together. I had loads of fun with them. The business started to go down and lose money. At one point people started looking for other jobs because we were not getting paid on time. My friend that worked 2nd shift found a new job and came to me and said they had another position to fill at his new job. I got the job doing the same type work, but was now making more then twice what I was being paid before. My boss who had worked there at first part time in high school was there for 25 years. He found a new job and was now getting paid three times his old pay.

The point is we were in a place of comfort, but it did not pay very well. I really never realize we were being under paid that much. Which leads me to my thoughts about Penny. I really don't think she was that irresponsible about money. I think she really never had that much of it to begin with. My first job was working in a restaurant. The pay is not that great if you have to pay for an apartment, maintenance for a car, and food. I know I did it. All of a sudden she is now making serious money. When you get into a well paying job it comes with benefits like 401k's, stock options, etc. When it happened to me I went having maybe $1000 in my checking account at any given time, to then having $20,000-$30,000 in it. I also was putting 15% of my pay into a 401k. What I'm trying to say is that I can believe Penny's financial story because it happened to me.  

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I think Howard, having a Masters in Engineering from MIT, working at Caltech and an astronaut, and having his designs working on the International Space Station is probably the most successful of all the guys.  At least for now. ;-)

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I have an inquiry.  If Leonard has such a high IQ (I know it's not as high as Sheldon's but it's in mensa range if I'm not mistaken) then why would he have so many student loans?  Wouldn't he have gotten scholarships to Princeton.  And what about his parents paying for some or all of his schooling?  Or was that just for his brother and sister.  Just curious...

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I have an inquiry.  If Leonard has such a high IQ (I know it's not as high as Sheldon's but it's in mensa range if I'm not mistaken) then why would he have so many student loans?  Wouldn't he have gotten scholarships to Princeton.  And what about his parents paying for some or all of his schooling?  Or was that just for his brother and sister.  Just curious...

I think it was done to diminish the Leonard character it just didn't make sense. This is the same guy who bought penny a ticket to go home for the holidays and bought her a car or never asked for the $1400 he gave her to pay her rent and paid for her food. I think the writers in S7 & 8 spend a lot of time writing him OOC and a lot of how he was portrayed felt like the real Leonard was missing. But I guess it was done to promote the Sheldon show. Making leonard the bad guy. Leonard had never mentioned any loans or shot of cash before so why all of a sudden he has no money. Probably spend it all on Penny. I don't buy it. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
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