episodes 901 The Matrimonial Momentum (September 21)

[Luna18]

Yes, I was not being particularly serious. I is just a trend I have noticed. The episodes I rate higher are the ones that many others rate lower and vice versa. I don't think it really means much other than I don't represent fans that talk about our show on line. I expect those that get on social media don't necessarily represent the more general fandom either.

Oh okay  

The majority of folks on this board are shippers so naturally they love episodes where their favourite couple are being cute and sweet. Those might not do much to you who loves the show for its science 

[vasu]

Leonard and Penny wedding eight years in the making 1 minute in the showing 

[djsurrey]

Oh okay  

The majority of folks on this board are shippers so naturally they love episodes where their favourite couple are being cute and sweet. Those might not do much to you who loves the show for its science 

Yes I think so. Besides science references I like science fiction and fantasy references and technology references. I also enjoy quirky characters.

Edited September 25, 2015 by djsurrey

[vasu]

well based on those words, Sheldon and Amy should just go to the courthouse and get married by themselves.  Sheldon doesn't like all that hippy dippy stuff associated with marriage and he normally gets his way so it only makes sense they just get a legal marriage at a courthouse.  After all it is only the fevered imagination of the Shamy fans that want a big wedding, that is never going to happen if Sheldon has any say.

I think Sheldon and Amy's wedding will the biggest in the show....may be it will span more than a few episode.. full of guest stars grandoise and everything...... After all this is Sheldon's wedding.....

And Penny will surely be happy and excited unlike her wedding....

And  I think there will also be a reference to how good their wedding was when compared to the others...

the writers clearly let us know how they though about leonard and penny depressing/sad/boring wedding....but having howard and bernie saying their wedding was clearly the better one....

Edited September 25, 2015 by vasu

[vasu]

 

All in all, I have to say I did enjoy the episode. This surprised me as I did not expect that to be the case. After reading the originally posted taping information I anticipated being extremely disappointed with the season premiere. Good performances by all, and I did find several moments to be laugh out loud funny.

 

It has been a long time since that September night in 2007 when I watched the premiere of TBBT. When I did so I did not anticipate the long term commitment I would be making to these characters. Sheldon’s angst concerning investing himself in a new show is certainly one to which I can relate. I have gone through a lot with these folks and, while there have been a few down moments; I can say I am glad that I am still watching.

 

The current state of affairs on the show is rapidly turning into one of those down moments. The present Lenny situation is ridiculously unnecessary. Once again, the writers of TBBT had to cheat one of the characters out of his moment of triumph. Eight seasons of ups and downs were not enough. Instead, what should have been one of the climactic moments in the show’s history was reduced to a largely inconsequential event in a dingy, low class venue. There was even a crass moment where we had to have a Debbie Wolowitz impression with someone yelling from off camera about bathroom potpourri. The writers would probably say that was some sort of tribute, but to me it just further cheapened an already denigrated occasion. An eight year build up to a cheap wedding attended by none of their friends or family. Woo-hoo! And if the crappy wedding wasn’t bad enough the writers proceed to toss the wedding night down the toilet with continued drama about a secret kiss… Give these characters a break. Just one.

 

The Shamy situation is just a annoying. Not because of their break-up, which we all know is not permanent. If there is no Shamy then there is no long term role for Amy. And, while I don’t ship Shamy, I do enjoy the interaction between Sheldon and Amy. TBBT does not need Amy for Sheldon to remain relevant and funny. The Shamy does add numerous opportunities for comedic situations. Some may point out that Amy is necessary for Sheldon’s continued growth. For me, this so called growth is one of the primary reasons the show has lost some of its appeal. Original Sheldon is the principle reason this show developed the fan following it enjoys. Sheldon whatever version they’re on now is not anywhere nearly as entertaining or funny to me. Instead, he is increasingly juvenile (sometimes infantile) and annoying. Amy has also transformed greatly from her original incarnation. She has matured and probably is no longer a suitable match for Sheldon. How the show reconciles their differences will be interesting to see.

 

The other characters have become wholly stagnant. Raj is a waste of air time. Does anyone care about his weird relationship with Emily; or Cinnamon? He gets his notional air time each week but who cares how things are in his life? This may be good for Kunal, but it sucks for Raj. Howard and Bernadette often bore me. Howard has also become ever more juvenile; while Bernadette plays the role of harpy momma. Stuart needs to go back to his part time role at the comic book store. The character is not worth extended screen time. Raj and Howard used to have some of the best moments on TBBT. The show has lost this and that is sad to see.

 

So, in light of all this some may question why I watch. Easy, I enjoy the interactions between these characters that I care about; that I have invested my time and interest in. Someone pointed out that there is no comedy in a world where everything is going as planned. That is true and it is understandable that there must be turmoil and upheaval in the world of TBBT to provide the comedic fodder that makes the show funny. It is supposed to be a comedy. What I am saying is that I would like to see some (even one) time when the characters actually come out on top. From the onset of the show the producers claimed that their intention was to celebrate these characters and the genius that makes them special. This has rarely (if ever) happened. Instead, we have seen the opposite on almost every turn. Even in the case of one the penultimate moments this show will have it had to be diminished. The Lenny wedding does indeed come in a distant second to the hastily planned rooftop Wolowitz nuptials. Sad…

 

I know there will be many who take issue with part, or all, of my dissertation. Fair enough; such is your right. If you would like to discuss something then I am certainly willing to engage. I will not enter into an argument or debate with anyone. Have a nice day, everyone!

 

Sorry, Vasu. The only way the forum would let me post was as a reply to someone else. 

Now its mostly about men making mistakes while their women teach them a lesson/forgive them/whine about them

[veejay]

Now its mostly about men making mistakes while their women teach them a lesson/forgive them/whine about them

vasu.....

...but I like you, seriously.   

Edited September 25, 2015 by veejay

[phantagrae]

Now its mostly about men making mistakes while their women teach them a lesson/forgive them/whine about them

That's been the way of things since the dawn of time.

[djsurrey]

That's been the way of things since the dawn of time.

Been there (I have three daughters and a wife and a mother, an older sister....).

Edited September 25, 2015 by djsurrey

[Itwasdestined]

Now its mostly about men making mistakes while their women teach them a lesson/forgive them/whine about them

my life as a primary/elementary school teacher in the staff room as a solitary man in a sea of 50 women talking about their husbands/sons/male students! 

[Chrismo]

Leonard and Penny wedding eight years in the making 1 minute in the showing 

the ads previewing the episode were all wrong. They did mention eight years in the making and then showed him saying our babies will be smart and beautiful. It really had nothing to do with them getting married.. The quote was about babies.

[djsurrey]

the ads previewing the episode were all wrong. They did mention eight years in the making and then showed him saying our babies will be smart and beautiful. It really had nothing to do with them getting married.. The quote was about babies.

 I don't really think it was 8 years in the making. During the eight years Leonard spent time dating others, Penny dated others and married Zack. So what year and episode was the first ILY from Penny? How much of season 8 was spent talking about the engagement? I kind of think the wedding was exactly the sort of wedding Penny would have because she likes to be spontaneous.

Leonard's babies remark was delusional at the time (but funny and a set-up for the "Not to mention imaginary" line).

 

[Chrismo]

 I don't really think it was 8 years in the making. During the eight years Leonard spent time dating others, Penny dated others and married Zack. So what year and episode was the first ILY from Penny? How much of season 8 was spent talking about the engagement? I kind of think the wedding was exactly the sort of wedding Penny would have because she likes to be spontaneous.

Leonard's babies remark was delusional at the time (but funny and a set-up for the "Not to mention imaginary" line).

 

I don't disagree about the actual wedding they had. But the way it was advertised some I'm sure thought it was going to be a bigger deal. I agree with his comment was delusional but most people remember that comment . In regards to eight years it certainly to me had nothing to do with marriage which made me puzzled on the ad for the episode.

[djsurrey]

I don't disagree about the actual wedding they had. But the way it was advertised some I'm sure thought it was going to be a bigger deal. I agree with his comment was delusional but most people remember that comment . In regards to eight years it certainly to me had nothing to do with marriage which made me puzzled on the ad for the episode.

I think what you are meaning is that eight years in the making had nothing to do with the wedding. Presumably they keep working on the marriage from the wedding onwards. Well since Leonard did give up a couple of times I'd say there is an inaccuracy in there but I don't think it was misleading. The ads are just very short hooks designed to catch attention. They don't have much to do with accuracy.

[Chrismo]

I think what you are meaning is that eight years in the making had nothing to do with the wedding. Presumably they keep working on the marriage from the wedding onwards. Well since Leonard did give up a couple of times I'd say there is an inaccuracy in there but I don't think it was misleading. The ads are just very short hooks designed to catch attention. They don't have much to do with accuracy.

the only thing is they have known each other 8 years.

[phantagrae]

Eight years in the making refers to Leonard's infatuation/love for Penny for the past 8 years.  Even though they both dated other people, the implication throughout all of that was that underneath it all they were in love or becoming in love the whole time.

 Leonard was dreaming of marrying her (or being with her) from day one, so the two of them finally getting together was indeed 8 years in the making.

[lennyx3]

well based on those words, Sheldon and Amy should just go to the courthouse and get married by themselves.  Sheldon doesn't like all that hippy dippy stuff associated with marriage and he normally gets his way so it only makes sense they just get a legal marriage at a courthouse.  After all it is only the fevered imagination of the Shamy fans that want a big wedding, that is never going to happen if Sheldon has any say.

But Sheldon won't have any say. He will do whatever Amy wants when she takes him back. After a reconciliation she will get it her way.

[djsurrey]

My wife had not seen the episode so I watched it again with her this time. Without all the anticipation of waiting to see the opener I found it a little flat. Some of the jokes were still funny but relationship episodes are not among my favorites. I brought my vote down a notch.

[meka3000]

I think Sheldon and Amy's wedding will the biggest in the show....may be it will span more than a few episode.. full of guest stars grandoise and everything...... After all this is Sheldon's wedding.....

You also thought Penny would dump Leonard at the alter.

And Penny will surely be happy and excited unlike her wedding....

She was happy and excited.  She might have been conflicted as well, but by the end she is jumping up and down screaming "WE DID IT!".

the writers clearly let us know how they though about leonard and penny depressing/sad/boring wedding....but having howard and bernie saying their wedding was clearly the better one....

  Just because howard and bernadette said something DOES NOT mean that is what the writers thought about Leonard and Penny's wedding.

[veejay]

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, vasu said:

I think Sheldon and Amy's wedding will the biggest in the show....may be it will span more than a few episode.. full of guest stars grandoise and everything...... After all this is Sheldon's wedding.....

I don't think so....

LOL

Edited April 15, 2017 by veejay

[BazingaFan]

Bad episode, in my opinion. The breakup of shamy was contrived and made no sense and Lenny's argument was also contrived for drama's sake. They made up some stuff to throw in the last episode of season 8 so we would have a cliff hanger and then tried to make it believable in the season 9 opener but it fell flat to me. 

 

I've always thought they should break shamy up for whilewhile but this made no sense at all. So now we are supposed to believe that penny has been talking to Amy and that's part of the reason for her turn of emotion all of a sudden?  Just too contrived and the story isn't progressing naturally at all. 

 

And yes, Stuart was creepy and not funny. 

 

[Guest sladenoddy]

absolutely awful episode. Sheldon totally ruined the wedding we have been waiting 8 seasons for. the writers totally ruined the wedding by having it in Vegas. and is it totally beyond the writers to write Leonard and Penny as Married AND HAPPY?. some heads really need to roll. 

[Guest]

I would be a fool to say that I didn't like L&P's wedding because I did. The vows were beautiful, the intimacy was astounding. I especially liked the way he carried her over the threshold and how they slowly started to kiss on the bed like some crazy teenagers who are all over each other. What I didn't like is how they shoved infidelity into the mix, shortly before they got them married and it kind of spoiled the whole thing for me. If you look at the bigger picture, the wedding is actually just a big pile of disappointment, and I feel very sorry for those who have been waiting eight years to see... that! It's like the writers are deliberately trying to make people mad and I don't understand why. How is that supposed to be funny? Or exciting? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As for Shamy, I don't know where Amy is coming from. It's like "Hey, we've been so happy the last five years, let's just break up." IF they wanted to break them up, they should have done that much earlier in the series, not now. And, of course, give us a reasonable explanation why she broke up with him because I just can't see it right now. I know that she claims to be fed up with his attitude, but I'm not buying it. She was always fine with it.

Incredibly satisfying gif. I could look at it all day.

[meka3000]

If you look at the bigger picture, the wedding is actually just a big pile of disappointment, and I feel very sorry for those who have been waiting eight years to see... that! It's like the writers are deliberately trying to make people mad and I don't understand why. How is that supposed to be funny? Or exciting? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This will most likely be something we appreciate better in the long run, the fact that they start off married on terms that are ANYTHING BUT IDEAL, but still come out of the inferno knowing they love each other AND their marriage STILL works out in the long run, despite a rocky start.  You come out of something LIKE THAT, suddenly what may come in the future for them might seem less scary.

 

I know that she claims to be fed up with his attitude, but I'm not buying it. She was always fine with it.

Really?  She was fine with Sheldon consistently not considering her feelings and all but telling her that she's not the commitment issue he's wrestling with?  Or how he DIDN'T consider asking her about going to Mars.  Or how he didn't consider her when hoping on a train and leaving?  And there's many more cuts to add to the list, but all this happening on their FIFTH ANNIVERSARY, just put it into perspective for her.  That she has put with that for FIVE YEARS.  How many times is Amy supposed to put up with Sheldon and his crap, before she says she has had enough? 

and is it totally beyond the writers to write Leonard and Penny as Married AND HAPPY?. some heads really need to roll.

Who says they won't eventually JUST BECAUSE they got off to a rocky start?

Edited September 28, 2015 by meka3000

[djsurrey]

absolutely awful episode. Sheldon totally ruined the wedding we have been waiting 8 seasons for. the writers totally ruined the wedding by having it in Vegas. and is it totally beyond the writers to write Leonard and Penny as Married AND HAPPY?. some heads really need to roll. 

Heads are not going to roll.

Few sitcoms make it to 9 seasons.

The fan-base is diverse 

[Guest]

 

Really?  She was fine with Sheldon consistently not considering her feelings and all but telling her that she's not the commitment issue he's wrestling with?  Or how he DIDN'T consider asking her about going to Mars.  Or how he didn't consider her when hoping on a train and leaving?  And there's many more cuts to add to the list, but all this happening on their FIFTH ANNIVERSARY, just put it into perspective for her.  That she has put with that for FIVE YEARS.  How many times is Amy supposed to put up with Sheldon and his crap, before she says she has had enough? 

 

Of course, but I think those are all issues that have been sorted out a long time ago, and they had lots of growth while doing that. Also, I think your caps lock might be broken.