episodes 901 The Matrimonial Momentum (September 21)

[meka3000]

Of course, but I think those are all issues that have been sorted out a long time ago, and they had lots of growth while doing that.

Things aren't always what they seem on the surface.

[tallin]

 

Really?  She was fine with Sheldon consistently not considering her feelings and all but telling her that she's not the commitment issue he's wrestling with?  Or how he DIDN'T consider asking her about going to Mars.  Or how he didn't consider her when hoping on a train and leaving?  And there's many more cuts to add to the list, but all this happening on their FIFTH ANNIVERSARY, just put it into perspective for her.  That she has put with that for FIVE YEARS.  How many times is Amy supposed to put up with Sheldon and his crap, before she says she has had enough? 

 

Sure he wasn't considering her feelings at every occasion but so didn't Amy. They did on many different occasions as well. Nothing's black and white. And why he told her she's not the commitment issue he's wrestling with? Simply because she's not. They were committed emotionally, Sheldon planned to propose, kids seems like not such a problem for Sheldon too, even that pet they wanted was one that lives for decades. Not sure of what commitment issue Sheldon could be wrestling with in relation to her. Even from his reaction on their break up it seems like Sheldon was more than sure they are together for very long-term period. 

[Chiany]

Things aren't always what they seem on the surface.

That's just a lame excuse for "we are going to invent a break-up out of nowhere and expect everyone to swallow it.

[Chrismo]

I think many Fans are used to Sheldon acting like a jerk towards Amy they get used to it. Instead of blaming Sheldon they just think it's bad writing.

[Itwasdestined]

I think many Fans are used to Sheldon acting like a jerk towards Amy they get used to it. Instead of blaming Sheldon they just think it's bad writing.

Well to be fair, Sheldon's behaviour is the actual product of the writers. So if you think it's bad, blaming the writing is logical. They make him do what he does.

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

Well to be fair, Sheldon's behaviour is the actual product of the writers. So if you think it's bad, blaming the writing is logical. They make him do what he does.

Love the new aviator, IWD. Perfect 

[BazingaFan]

Shamys breakup was needed and I've been waiting for it for a whil . Now that I've seen the second episode, I see tgatbi was right because this is going to be so much fun. Sheldon needed a kick in the butt, and I'm so happy to see Amy thinking of herself and exerting confidence and bravery to do what she needs to d . BUT the reason for the breakup made no sense. There were no signs last season that Amy was unhappy or thinking about things. The things that Sheldon said to supposedly make her mad werewere no different than what he always does, which she has been fine with for five years .  the problem here is that they need to devote some time to exploring Amy and her character so we understand what is going on. What has happened to give her a backbone all of a sudden?  And I don't buy it that its from talking to penny. I wish the writers had handled the breakup better so that it would be more believable. But, u am glad that it happened and look forward to watching how Sheldon handles this, plus hopefully this means more shamy moments and insights into Amy's character. 

[djsurrey]

I think many Fans are used to Sheldon acting like a jerk towards Amy they get used to it. Instead of blaming Sheldon they just think it's bad writing.

It just seems like some people think it is bad writing when something happens they don't like but the writers nailed it when something happens they do like. TBBT just is not what some people think they want it to be. That does not implicate the writing. The real problem is the show these people want just does not exist on tv today. TBBT is just the closest they can currently get. A show needs to appeal to a broad audience to stay on the air. 

Edited September 29, 2015 by djsurrey

[gwhh]

Did Sheldon mom say he had a brother, when they were talking about the ring?

I don't remember anyone talking about Sheldon "brother" before??!!!

Did they talk about a brother for him before, or is that new?? 

[mirs1]

Did Sheldon mom say he had a brother, when they were talking about the ring?

I don't remember anyone talking about Sheldon "brother" before??!!!

Did they talk about a brother for him before, or is that new?? 

Yes, George Jr, he's the oldest brother...he was never on screen, but was mentioned on some occasions since Season 1.

[BazingaFan]

It would be very interesting to see Sheldon with his brother. He was another male influence in his life besides his father and Leanard. They should do an episode with his visit. 

[brilliantfool]

Aside from all the drama , did anybody else think it was sweet Sheldon knew who Madonna was ?

and even details about her personal life !:o

i thought it was cute ;)

[Nogravitasatall]

Well to be fair, Sheldon's behaviour is the actual product of the writers. So if you think it's bad, blaming the writing is logical. They make him do what he does.

I have a problem about blaming the writers. The character exists. There is no writer to blame. Anything the character does has to be accepted as it is, else the character doesn't have any agency and is a puppet. If they are puppets, what's the point? May as well ship the fridge and sofa. There is probably theory on this. To my mind, perhaps, if you like what Sheldon does, you may have to dislike what he does too. Curse you Leonard, for making me doubt you! But Mandy was drunk and you were on a boat. Sheldon was... Nup, it's him being him.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Nogravitasatall

[Itwasdestined]

I have a problem about blaming the writers. The character exists. There is no writer to blame. Anything the character does has to be accepted as it is, else the character doesn't have any agency and is a puppet. If they are puppets, what's the point? May as well ship the fridge and sofa. There is probably theory on this. To my mind, perhaps, if you like what Sheldon does, you may have to dislike what he does too. Curse you Leonard, for making me doubt you! But Mandy was drunk and you were on a boat. Sheldon was... Nup, it's him being him.

I actually agree with you, nograv, although I'm not sure the fridge and sofa get a lot of direction from the script ( might get more camera time then Raj is some episodes though ). I suppose I was just saying, maybe poorly, that IF you are in the Bad Writing camp, it's logical to you to blame the writers for Sheldons behaviour if it changes for the worse. If you are more in the Character Is Responsible camp, you're gonna blame the character. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Tensor]

I actually agree with you, nograv, although I'm not sure the fridge and sofa get a lot of direction from the script ( might get more camera time then Raj is some episodes though ). I suppose I was just saying, maybe poorly, that IF you are in the Bad Writing camp, it's logical to you to blame the writers for Sheldons behaviour if it changes for the worse. If you are more in the Character Is Responsible camp, you're gonna blame the character. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I'm of the opinion that, yes, we know that there are writers and that the character is a fiction, written by the writers.  But, as a shortcut, we simply take the characters as real, their actions as real, within the universe created by the writers.  It makes it easier to talk about and analyze the characters and their actions.   Well, until someone asks if we realize the characters aren't real.  

[Stewie99]

I really enjoyed this episode, and I thought it was a return to form after a bad end to Season 8.

Things I Found Funny:

• HOWARD: "We'll just say it was beautiful in the comments section."
• RAJ: "Who wants honey buns?!"
• SHELDON: "Leonard, if I ever talk about dating girls again, roll your eyes like I do when you say stupid stuff."
• SHELDON: "But we make people feel awkward anyway! That's our thing!"
• SHELDON: "Oh, you don't need to worry about her. She's attractive and smart and far too good for Leonard."

Things I Didn't Find Funny:

• The "You've got a friend in me" joke. It went on too long and just ruined the poignant moment that was meant to be Leonard and Penny's wedding.
• The potpourri joke just before Leonard and Penny were about to kiss felt tired and stale- that sort of joke has been done so many times before on this show.
• Stuart's creepiness wasn't particularly amusing, just a bit weird. 

Score: 8/10

[JohnPhD]

After the break I can start feeding my BBT habit again, ready to enjoy the first dose, and - what the hell is this sad, bitter episode about? It's as though they've got new writers who don't know the characters, or the story so far, or that it's supposed to be a comedy. A basic premise was that Leonard, for all his sillinesses, was a decent little guy we could get behind; and Penny was the love of his life. If Leonard is an a-hole it's not the same show. I don't mean because of the fact of his drunken shipboard snog, that he could have got out of the way long ago, but because of the rotten way in which he told Penny so as to maximise her unhappiness.

Sheldon's scene with Penny was off. It started well when he said "I thought I'd raised Leonard better than that", but then he started insulting Penny as he did in the early series before their friendship developed. And his suggestion that he would resolve the problem by starting an affair with the other woman himself is just out of character for Sheldon as we've known him him.

And why would B&H invite Amy to watch the wedding but not Sheldon? Leonard is Sheldon's best friend while Amy has no connection with Leonard at all; and Sheldon has shown far more affection for Penny than Amy has. If Amy wants to stay away from Sheldon, she should have to stay away from his friends as well. Surely Bernadeete hasn't forgotten Amy's obnoxious behaviour before her own wedding.

One character who was completely consistent with her past development in this episode was Amy - totally selfish and hateful as ever. When Penny heard A&S had broken up she kindly called Amy to see if she was OK, and told Amy she was just about to marry, All Amy could think of was to get angry because she hadn't been invited. Not a word of congratulations. One thing I don't like about Penny is she's too damn patient. I would have liked her to snap at Amy then, maybe something like "I should have asked you so you could have tried to hijack my wedding like you did with Bernadette's?". Later when Howard gave out the news that Penny and Leonard had fought and Penny was alone in her apartment, Amy didn't think of calling Penny to see how she was doing. "Bestie" my a-. It puzzles me that some viewers seem to "love" Amy when the writers so obviously hate her.

[Squonk]

After the break I can start feeding my BBT habit again, ready to enjoy the first dose, and - what the hell is this sad, bitter episode about? It's as though they've got new writers who don't know the characters, or the story so far, or that it's supposed to be a comedy. A basic premise was that Leonard, for all his sillinesses, was a decent little guy we could get behind; and Penny was the love of his life. If Leonard is an a-hole it's not the same show. I don't mean because of the fact of his drunken shipboard snog, that he could have got out of the way long ago, but because of the rotten way in which he told Penny so as to maximise her unhappiness.

Sheldon's scene with Penny was off. It started well when he said "I thought I'd raised Leonard better than that", but then he started insulting Penny as he did in the early series before their friendship developed. And his suggestion that he would resolve the problem by starting an affair with the other woman himself is just out of character for Sheldon as we've known him him.

And why would B&H invite Amy to watch the wedding but not Sheldon? Leonard is Sheldon's best friend while Amy has no connection with Leonard at all; and Sheldon has shown far more affection for Penny than Amy has. If Amy wants to stay away from Sheldon, she should have to stay away from his friends as well. Surely Bernadeete hasn't forgotten Amy's obnoxious behaviour before her own wedding.

One character who was completely consistent with her past development in this episode was Amy - totally selfish and hateful as ever. When Penny heard A&S had broken up she kindly called Amy to see if she was OK, and told Amy she was just about to marry, All Amy could think of was to get angry because she hadn't been invited. Not a word of congratulations. One thing I don't like about Penny is she's too damn patient. I would have liked her to snap at Amy then, maybe something like "I should have asked you so you could have tried to hijack my wedding like you did with Bernadette's?". Later when Howard gave out the news that Penny and Leonard had fought and Penny was alone in her apartment, Amy didn't think of calling Penny to see how she was doing. "Bestie" my a-. It puzzles me that some viewers seem to "love" Amy when the writers so obviously hate her.

I don't really get the last bit about "the writers so obviously hate her". Do you really believe the writers of this show "hate" a character they created?

Officially I have not seen this episode but I loved it.

Edited October 27, 2015 by Squonk
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[Squonk]

I have a problem about blaming the writers. The character exists. There is no writer to blame.

Very meta.

[meka3000]

 If Leonard is an a-hole it's not the same show. I don't mean because of the fact of his drunken shipboard snog, that he could have got out of the way long ago, but because of the rotten way in which he told Penny so as to maximise her unhappiness.

That doesn't make Leonard an a-hole, just an asthmatic dumbass.

but then he started insulting Penny as he did in the early series before their friendship developed.

And his suggestion that he would resolve the problem by starting an affair with the other woman himself is just out of character for Sheldon as we've known him him.

when has Sheldon stopped insulting Penny on a consistent basis?  I feel we're watching different shows if you think THAT has happened.

Him throwing out ridiculous ideas that he wouldn't execute in the grand scheme of things is ALSO consistent for him.

And why would B&H invite Amy to watch the wedding but not Sheldon?

Because she is more mature, and is less likely to make a scene than Sheldon is.  And that was backed up by Sheldon MAKING A SCENE in an immature fashion.

Sheldon has shown far more affection for Penny than Amy has.

I beg to differ, Amy has been more unconditional in her interactions with Penny, where as with Sheldon alot of his interactions with Penny can be seen as conditional.

Surely Bernadeete hasn't forgotten Amy's obnoxious behaviour before her own wedding.

Aside from Raj, who didn't act in an obnoxious manner at her wedding?  I'm sure Bernadette ALSO remembers Amy playing peacekeeper with Leonard and Penny on that day, when they both made barbs at each others expense.

All Amy could think of was to get angry because she hadn't been invited. Not a word of congratulations.

Later when Howard gave out the news that Penny and Leonard had fought and Penny was alone in her apartment, Amy didn't think of calling Penny to see how she was doing. "Bestie" my a-.

 Maybe she wasn't in the best of moods, because I don't know, SHE HAD MADE DECISIONS REGARDING HER RELATIONSHIP WITH SHELDON THAT WERE HARD FOR HER.

Why is it hard to believe that her emotional state/mindset at that time was elsewhere?

That's just a lame excuse for "we are going to invent a break-up out of nowhere and expect everyone to swallow it.

Or maybe some of us don't see this break-up as being out of nowhere like you do.

Sure he wasn't considering her feelings at every occasion but so didn't Amy. 

Sheldon's inconsiderations are FAR MORE EXTREME and you know it.

And why he told her she's not the commitment issue he's wrestling with? Simply because she's not. They were committed emotionally, Sheldon planned to propose, kids seems like not such a problem for Sheldon too

And Amy knew about Sheldon's mindset at that time?

Not sure of what commitment issue Sheldon could be wrestling with in relation to her.

The point is you see Sheldon's commitment to her because you have the context that Amy doesn't in this situation.  She didn't see anything like the ring, or anything that indicates he had planned to propose to her.  And after his actions in the season 7 finale, the colonization application, and his declaration in the season 8 finale, why is she supposed to magically see some form of context that implies he's committed to having a future with her?  Without Amy having that knowledge her believing that Sheldon was committed to her unconditionally makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO ME.

[meka3000]

The things that Sheldon said to supposedly make her mad were no different than what he always does, which she has been fine with for five years

They were different BECAUSE they were on their fifth anniversary a day that is a culmination of their relationship.  After all the cuts she had put up with, especially in the season premiere AND the colonization application; it's not hard to see THIS as the culmination of all her cuts on the relationship for her.

Edited November 3, 2015 by meka3000

[djsurrey]

They were different BECAUSE they were on their fifth anniversary a day that is a culmination of their relationship.  After all the cuts she had put up with, especially in the season premiere AND the colonization application; it's not hard for to see the culmination of all her cuts on the relationship for her.

Uh, what was that?

[meka3000]

Uh, what was that?

Me pointing out WHY what Sheldon said to Amy was different compared to every other time Sheldon said something to piss her off.  I just got done editing it for added clarity.

[Squonk]

 

That doesn't make Leonard an a-hole, just an asthmatic dumbass.

 

when has Sheldon stopped insulting Penny on a consistent basis?  I feel we're watching different shows if you think THAT has happened.

Him throwing out ridiculous ideas that he wouldn't execute in the grand scheme of things is ALSO consistent for him.

 

Because she is more mature, and is less likely to make a scene than Sheldon is.  And that was backed up by Sheldon MAKING A SCENE in an immature fashion.

 

I beg to differ, Amy has been more unconditional in her interactions with Penny, where as with Sheldon alot of his interactions with Penny can be seen as conditional.

 

Aside from Raj, who didn't act in an obnoxious manner at her wedding?  I'm sure Bernadette ALSO remembers Amy playing peacekeeper with Leonard and Penny on that day, when they both made barbs at each others expense.

 

 Maybe she wasn't in the best of moods, because I don't know, SHE HAD MADE DECISIONS REGARDING HER RELATIONSHIP WITH SHELDON THAT WERE HARD FOR HER.

Why is it hard to believe that her emotional state/mindset at that time was elsewhere?

 

Or maybe some of us don't see this break-up as being out of nowhere like you do.

Sheldon's inconsiderations are FAR MORE EXTREME and you know it.

 

And Amy knew about Sheldon's mindset at that time?

 

The point is you see Sheldon's commitment to her because you have the context that Amy doesn't in this situation.  She didn't see anything like the ring, or anything that indicates he had planned to propose to her.  And after his actions in the season 7 finale, the colonization application, and his declaration in the season 8 finale, why is she supposed to magically see some form of context that implies he's committed to having a future with her?  Without Amy having that knowledge her believing that Sheldon was committed to her unconditionally makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO ME.

I applaud your dedication to this thread. And I am not being sarcastic.

[BazingaFan]

On 11/3/2015, 2:41:14, meka3000 said:

They were different BECAUSE they were on their fifth anniversary a day that is a culmination of their relationship.  After all the cuts she had put up with, especially in the season premiere AND the colonization application; it's not hard to see THIS as the culmination of all her cuts on the relationship for her.

Wow calm down. My point was that she has shown for season after season that her character understood Sheldon more than anyone else. I think a normal girl would indeed get mad and breakup over his comments but Amy is not supposed to be normal. My point was that they should have made something more significant happen for her to make this decision since it seemed to just come out of the blue based on the happy episodes that came before it.