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On 22/11/2015, 12:40:03, Cécile Dull said:

 

Penny and Leonard have a relationship, but Penny is really often at the boy's flat, than Leonard to her appartement.

She used to wear intimacy clothes during this moments, as if there were no difference in the ratio with Leonard and Sheldon.

So she creates a special relation with Sheldon, and that's why as a friend of both, she is currently with them, as a 5th boy.

Penny has no interest for nerd's science, she makes it feels to Sheldon, but cross this to her boyfriend, that's strange.

So it makes me realise she is an awkward girl; awkward girl, awkward boy, who looks like Sheldon more than Penny, certainly not her oposite Amy.

Then she realises she was in a long term story with Leonard, she became to be more maternal with Sheldon, to stay closer to him, and to assure him she always will prefere him.

Her relation with Leonard always was really light, but when she faces Sheldon, she becomes really serious and concerned, as to tell him, 'now you can be as concerned as I am with you, with me.'

So she is as if cool, sympathetic, and friendly, especially the kind of girl men criticized and justify sometime rudeness.

I must say I'm intrigued by Cecile's hypothesis that Penny really loves Sheldon, not Leonard. Maybe between season's I'll rewatch the past seasons with that in mind. Certainly in the Pilot Penny was first much more responsive to Sheldon than to Leonard. (incidentally it appears that neither Penny nor Sheldon was aware that the hero of A Beautiful Mind is a paranoid schizophrenic).

But no. It won't really fly. But maybe Cecile is not alone, and that's why the creators wrote that scene where Penny says (to herself) "Oh Sheldon, you are so not the guy".

 

Sometimes I imagine the guys discussing TBBT the way they do shows they've all seen. Who would coime up withy Cecile's hypothesis - maybe Raj?

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If she was in love with Sheldon and not Leonard then...
Why encourage Sheldon to date Amy?
Why marry Leonard?
Why not go after Sheldon inline with the strong confident character that she is?
Why describe him as a brother?

You could make the argument that there is a spark of attraction between them perhaps but the evidence suggests no deep romantic feelings between them :icon_neutral:

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5 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

 

You could make the argument that there is a spark of attraction between them perhaps but the evidence suggests no deep romantic feelings between them :icon_neutral:

Regarding the pilot, yeah I'd say she was first drawn to Sheldon over Leonard because if you go by physical appearance only, then yeah, Sheldon is better looking than Leonard but as Penny told Amy years later when Amy asked, "How can any woman spend 8 hours a day alone with this face and not fall in love with it?"

And Penny's reply?  "Well, for starters, at some point, that face starts talking."

Sure she might have felt attracted to him when she first met him in the pilot but that attraction went flying out the window and never returned the moment he started talking.

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Far as im concerned Penny was attracted to leonard from the begginning not Sheldon. Based on what? Because liked his whiteboard? Please. She was more into Leonards white board anyway, when he showed her. Now hypothetically If Penny liked Sheldon first based on actual looks and not knowing him at al. Then your saying Penny's pre dispositions in judging someone is very superficial and shallow. She is not Alicia. She came across as very down to earth, who just got out of a relationship with a gym type. So based on that idea, it makes the idea of S and P very shallow and superficial, with no depth at all. Leonard is the one who actually went and got Penny's money from Kurt. I can buy the moment Sheldon opened his mouth interest waned. But I just say Penny meeting two geniuses and Sheldon is the genius, so she was fascinated. I never saw any sparks, I mean that is impossible, or biologically impossible. I actually saw sparks early on between Leonard and Penny, when she had that shower.

Besides saying Sheldon is better looking then Leonard is very subjective. I have seen some peope say they think Leonard is better looking, I Think he is. It is just Sheldon is tall, girls like tall guys. And as for Amys comment about his face. That's Amy, she thinks he is perfect, she is the only one lo. Hence Pennys comment. And I just find it delusion. To argue Penny loves Sheldon lol. I mean do some of you live on planet earth. Penny establishing and making it clear several times early on she see's Sheldon as a brother. She even said this so many times. How you can equate a maternal relationship, and twist into she loves Shedon more has always gone over my head. When Leonard and Penny have always had this unspoken bond in a away. No one understands Penny more then Leonard. To Love someone is to understand someone, that's just not their. Penny has had sex with Leonard, they have dated. Penny told Leonard she loves him, and married him. S and P has always been a purely maternal relationship. I think that is the point. Lenny is boy meets gir cute, romantic, but two best friends falling in love. IT is not rocket science, some where along the line that got lost. I think some of you put Shedon on a pedestal. OH could Penny resist such a handsome, tall man. Of course theirs sparks how could their not be. Sheldon is pale and skinny far as im concerned. Not her type at all, gym guys like Kurt were. I am just trying to establish the point Penny was not interested in either at that point.

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4 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Far as im concerned Penny was attracted to leonard from the begginning not Sheldon. Based on what? Because liked his whiteboard? Please. She was more into lsins

In the beginning she was not attracted to either of them. Leonard won her over.

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7 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

Regarding the pilot, yeah I'd say she was first drawn to Sheldon over Leonard because if you go by physical appearance only, then yeah, Sheldon is better looking than Leonard but as Penny told Amy years later when Amy asked, "How can any woman spend 8 hours a day alone with this face and not fall in love with it?"

And Penny's reply?  "Well, for starters, at some point, that face starts talking."

Sure she might have felt attracted to him when she first met him in the pilot but that attraction went flying out the window and never returned the moment he started talking.

If you watch the original unaired pilot it seemed like they were going for a 4 way love triangle between the girl who later became Penny, Sheldon, Leonard and the girl who then split into Howard and Raj. I'm very, very glad that it didn't go that way! :icon_neutral:

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17 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

But it's better than "Geek". Am I the only one who knows the original meaning? There's a classic film called Nightmare Alley.

It's the same for girls who wanna to be talked as 'biatches', nerd, or geek comes also with the informatique culture where really 'how to call them' searchers began to be the world wide leaders, so they call them nerd or geek, but they are only data searchers, or porn addictes. 

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On November 24, 2015 at 2:13:55 AM, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

If you watch the original unaired pilot it seemed like they were going for a 4 way love triangle between the girl who later became Penny, Sheldon, Leonard and the girl who then split into Howard and Raj. I'm very, very glad that it didn't go that way! :icon_neutral:

I think that with the unaired pilot they were still going for Leonard and the girl, they just didn't have the right girl, if you will.  She didn't like Sheldon, really.  Leonard is the one who went to her job and talked to her about coming back, as I recall.  Sheldon was almost the same, the super weird guy who had a particular "spot", this time at their favorite restaurant rather than on their couch.  He was still inappropriate, but more sexualized (he was into big butts and had slept--secretly--with the geeky girl), but still wasn't into the "hot girl".

 But in the pilot that did air, Penny wasn't into Sheldon more than she was into Leonard.  Leonard was the one who invited her to eat with them and was the one who drew her out and got her to tell the, about herself.  She was kind of friendly to all of them, but I think she saw Leonard as the most normal and possibly the easiest to relate to.

Though she was somewhat impressed with Sheldon's whiteboard, that wasn't a signal of true love or anything.  She was impressed that it was a bunch of stuff that looked "geniusy", but it was not something by which she judged which one she was going to fall in love with.

Leonard was the one from whom she asked a favor and the one she trusted with the key to her apartment.

 At anyway, the spark between her and Sheldon was one of friendly antagonism, not romance, and in the end, Leonard has been the one she fell in love with.

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On December 21, 2015 at 11:11 AM, SheldonIsAJerk said:

the glory days of episodes like 'The Bath Gift Hypothesis' and 'The Lunar Excitation' are long

 

barely laughed once in SO8 and S09

 

run it's course imo, a shame

Didn't you post essentially the same thing in that other thread?  Do you have some need to impress everyone with how much you dislike the show now?

As it turns out, millions of people still enjoy the show and find it funny, and that's not a shame.

And I dont think the show only had "glory days" in the past.  There have been many fantastic episodes in the last  few seasons.

IMO.

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On 21/12/2015 at 10:11 AM, SheldonIsAJerk said:

the glory days of episodes like 'The Bath Gift Hypothesis' and 'The Lunar Excitation' are long

 

barely laughed once in SO8 and S09

 

run it's course imo, a shame

I really liked those episodes but I also liked the most recent episode as much or more. Have you even watched "The Opening Night Excitation"? There have been people criticizing this series from the first season.

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16 hours ago, OiVeyWhattaYaSay said:

I always liked Penny and Sheldon together more than Penny and Leonard.    Little Jewish Leonard and Penny being together just seems like the Producer's shiksa fantasy.

Leonard's not Jewish.  Its Leonard that puts the Christmas tree up, not Sheldon who btw, hates Christmas.

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I always liked Penny and Sheldon together more than Penny and Leonard.    Little Jewish Leonard and Penny being together just seems like the Producer's shiksa fantasy.

Nailed it. The producers from the pilot made their fantasy clear. Leonard & Penny 4ever. Did you miss that bit. Oh and Howard is the Jewish one.

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