910 The Earworm Reverberation (December 10)

[phantagrae]

On December 13, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Kasey said:

Phanta, you know I did say "with a due respect" concerning my opinion on the episode.  I am sorry that I didn't like it in the same way you did.  I realize that commenting on a forum means that others may debunk or dispute but I find this post to be a little sarcastic and uncalled for.  

I don't like Sheldon that much and not a huge, over the top fan of Shamy - BUT I have usually tried to be respectful of the fact of others like him and them.  I even wrote what I thought was a nice FF about Shamy.  

The first post you quoted, I was being sarcastic and I assumed it was obvious.  Sorry if you didn't get that.  The second post was in direct response to you "explaining" the episode to me.  As I tried to say with as few words as possible because that is how I roll, that no matter what the reasoning was, I didn't like it.  I did not in no way, shape or form call out anyone for the fact that they did like it. 

 

 

 

Well, since you mentioned the bit about Sheldon interrupting Amy about to kiss Dave, I was wondering, legitimately, how you would rather have wanted that scene to go.

 I realize you don't like Sheldon, but since the story line is about Sheldon and Amy reconciling, what do you think would have been a more satisfying, to you, way for that scene to go?  What was it about that scenario that you didn't like?

Since it didn't seem to be the idea of standard comic writing (the saved by the bell scenario or the speak of the devil scenario), I was wondering what it was you didn't care for?  Was it just the fact that it was a Sheldon scene?

 

 And Carlos, I might say something to you about your attitude toward me, but it would just get me in trouble.  I'm not telling anyone how to watch the show, but if someone doesn't seem to get it, and makes random assumptions about things in the writing, then I'm gong to speak up.  And my opinion about whether or not a scene is funny is just as legitimate a point to be discussed.  You, or anyone else, can state that something didnt strike them as funny and I'm free to ask why--we all form opinions for a reason.  And if the explanation mentions things that may be traditional comic standards or whatever, then why not discuss it?

Edited December 14, 2015 by phantagrae

[Kasey]

15 hours ago, phantagrae said:

Well, since you mentioned the bit about Sheldon interrupting Amy about to kiss Dave, I was wondering, legitimately, how you would rather have wanted that scene to go.

 I realize you don't like Sheldon, but since the story line is about Sheldon and Amy reconciling, what do you think would have been a more satisfying, to you, way for that scene to go?  What was it about that scenario that you didn't like?

Since it didn't seem to be the idea of standard comic writing (the saved by the bell scenario or the speak of the devil scenario), I was wondering what it was you didn't care for?  Was it just the fact that it was a Sheldon scene?

 

I had to go back to my original post because I couldn't for the life of me remember what I wrote.  Since I didn't elaborate, my thoughts might have been confusing although I felt I was being clear.

The point I was trying to make was that Amy moved on when Sheldon said that he didn't want to be her boyfriend anymore.  Dave had just kissed her and they were about to swoop in for another one.  Then Sheldon knocks on the door and it's all about him (ie:  she forgot that she was just about to kiss another guy).  That is what I didn't like.  The fact that Amy appeared to be moving on so quickly.  That just doesn't ring true to my sensibilities.  I really and sincerely don't care why it was done. 

It had nothing to do with Sheldon per se.  It was more of the way Amy was portrayed that I didn't like.  You naturally assumed that I my problem was that Sheldon was in the scene.  Of course he had to be in the scene for them to reconcile - otherwise I don't know how they would.  I feel that if I say anything about Sheldon that you will swoop in and have a comment about it.  Of course that is your right but it makes me feel uncomfortable to be able to post my feelings if I am going to have to justify them. 

I think that is why some get unnerved when they are told that their interpretations of things are wrong(for lack of a better word).  If it's merely to understand further why someone feels that way then that entices further discussion; but when posts are made that try to explain to the poster how the scene was really suppose to be interpreted - well that is not good.  

That's all I got.  Except looky - another pretty long post...

[Gbb]

1 hour ago, Kasey said:

The point I was trying to make was that Amy moved on when Sheldon said that he didn't want to be her boyfriend anymore.  Dave had just kissed her and they were about to swoop in for another one.  Then Sheldon knocks on the door and it's all about him (ie:  she forgot that she was just about to kiss another guy).  That is what I didn't like.  The fact that Amy appeared to be moving on so quickly.  That just doesn't ring true to my sensibilities.  I really and sincerely don't care why it was done.

I can understand this. I think they actually did a really good job of showing that Amy wasn't particularly happy about deciding to move on (her crushed face when Sheldon said no to getting back together, her deep breaths before calling Dave, her surprised jerk back when he swooped in for the kiss. Personally, I think she was in "fake it until you make it" mode and while she was willing to give him a shot, there was no specific interest in Dave per se. He was just a guy who seemed to like her. (Plus he's funny and charming, but I'm not sure Amy sees him like do )

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, Kasey said:

I had to go back to my original post because I couldn't for the life of me remember what I wrote.  Since I didn't elaborate, my thoughts might have been confusing although I felt I was being clear.

The point I was trying to make was that Amy moved on when Sheldon said that he didn't want to be her boyfriend anymore.  Dave had just kissed her and they were about to swoop in for another one.  Then Sheldon knocks on the door and it's all about him (ie:  she forgot that she was just about to kiss another guy).  That is what I didn't like.  The fact that Amy appeared to be moving on so quickly.  That just doesn't ring true to my sensibilities.  I really and sincerely don't care why it was done.

It had nothing to do with Sheldon per se.  It was more of the way Amy was portrayed that I didn't like.  You naturally assumed that I my problem was that Sheldon was in the scene.  Of course he had to be in the scene for them to reconcile - otherwise I don't know how they would.  I feel that if I say anything about Sheldon that you will swoop in and have a comment about it.  Of course that is your right but it makes me feel uncomfortable to be able to post my feelings if I am going to have to justify them.

I think that is why some get unnerved when they are told that their interpretations of things are wrong(for lack of a better word).  If it's merely to understand further why someone feels that way then that entices further discussion; but when posts are made that try to explain to the poster how the scene was really suppose to be interpreted - well that is not good. 

That's all I got.  Except looky - another pretty long post...

There's a certain poster who complains about Leonard no what matter he does (you know who). Some on here will justify Sheldon's actions or a storyline no matter how stupid it is. Other are just uppity because they always think their right, belittling others in the process,

[Tonstar17]

What would have been funny not the crap that we got was for when Leonard said it was Penny's turn after smashing his keyboard and he started playing the whatever its called. she should have gone in the bathroom and filled a bucket up with cold water and poured it all over him for been annoying and then drag Leonard to 4B. That would shut him up and I would have piss myself.

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[jlove]

9 hours ago, Kasey said:

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The point I was trying to make was that Amy moved on when Sheldon said that he didn't want to be her boyfriend anymore.  Dave had just kissed her and they were about to swoop in for another one.  Then Sheldon knocks on the door and it's all about him (ie:  she forgot that she was just about to kiss another guy).  That is what I didn't like.  The fact that Amy appeared to be moving on so quickly.  That just doesn't ring true to my sensibilities.  I really and sincerely don't care why it was done. 

It had nothing to do with Sheldon per se.  It was more of the way Amy was portrayed that I didn't like.   

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This is the way I felt when I read the TR, but seeing the episode I felt very differently.  See I don't believe "Amy moved on when Sheldon said he didn't want to be her boyfriend anymore."

We see Amy wrestling with herself about even calling Dave again, it's clear from her conversation with Bernie that she'd rather be with Sheldon, we see her uncomfortably sitting on the couch trying to make small talk with Dave, and when He kisses her her immediate instinct is to pull back with an exclamation of surprise and throw her hands up in front of her in a universal gesture of "back off."  

Yes, after that she tries to steel herself to kiss him, but it's clearly not something she actually wants.  If you imagine her internal monologue being something like "Sheldon said no, you have to move on, Sheldon said no, you have to move on..." as she leans across the couch then it's not at all surprising that she "forgets" about Dave when Sheldon shows up.  He was never in her head (or heart) in the first place, it was always Sheldon.

[Kasey]

39 minutes ago, jlove said:

This is the way I felt when I read the TR, but seeing the episode I felt very differently.  See I don't believe "Amy moved on when Sheldon said he didn't want to be her boyfriend anymore."

We see Amy wrestling with herself about even calling Dave again, it's clear from her conversation with Bernie that she'd rather be with Sheldon, we see her uncomfortably sitting on the couch trying to make small talk with Dave, and when He kisses her her immediate instinct is to pull back with an exclamation of surprise and throw her hands up in front of her in a universal gesture of "back off."  

Yes, after that she tries to steel herself to kiss him, but it's clearly not something she actually wants.  If you imagine her internal monologue being something like "Sheldon said no, you have to move on, Sheldon said no, you have to move on..." as she leans across the couch then it's not at all surprising that she "forgets" about Dave when Sheldon shows up.  He was never in her head (or heart) in the first place, it was always Sheldon.

I get what you're saying but still didn't care for it.  It is what it is...

[jlove]

26 minutes ago, Kasey said:

I get what you're saying but still didn't care for it.  It is what it is...

BTW, your pic with the addition of the Santa hat to slutty carrot Leonard made me giggle. 

Edited December 16, 2015 by jlove

[Kasey]

12 hours ago, jlove said:

BTW, your pic with the addition of the Santa hat to slutty carrot Leonard made me giggle. 

Thank you.  That was done by Veejay.  He does look so festive doesn't he?

[JohnPhD]

I  liked Sheldon's video message to future crazy Sheldon, a really funny idea. I was a bit disappointed by Penny's generally low-key reaction to Sheldon's craziness (in the daytime). When they all started living together I was looking forward to some funny P-S conflict in the context of the new power relationship in 4A that we're not getting.  I think it might have been a funnier way of resolving the earworm if Penny had suddenly rapped out the title, artists and recording date - opportunity for Sheldon's facial reaction.

I didn't like the S-A kiss for 3 reasons: I can't believe in Sheldon's passion for Amy, even at the level of belief required by a sitcom; the writers have done outstanding work for Dave and I would have liked Amy to stay with him to keep him around - not fully in the group, but as much as Emily at least; and I don't want Sheldon softened

[Stephen Hawking]

2 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

the writers have done outstanding work for Dave and I would have liked Amy to stay with him to keep him around

Please no.

Nice as Dave was, Amy belongs with Sheldon.

Besides, Dave's Sheldon worship would get tiring, very quickly.

[Stephen Hawking]

OK, just watched this episode on catchup.

I'm I the only one who, on hearing Sheldon playing the Tuba, thought of Close Encounters Of The Third Kind?

[hokie3457]

I was actually thinking of The Gong Show (" what are you going to do  do?" " i'm going to play my tuba")

[Ginny Hamilton]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

OK, just watched this episode on catchup.

I'm I the only one who, on hearing Sheldon playing the Tuba, thought of Close Encounters Of The Third Kind?

I did!!  I even posted about it that week, and only two people responded--Yes, absolutely they were playing off of that film!  So clever.  

 

[djsurrey]

4 hours ago, Ginny Hamilton said:

I did!!  I even posted about it that week, and only two people responded--Yes, absolutely they were playing off of that film!  So clever.  

 

I have done my best to erase that movie from my memory, but now that it has been brought up a couple of times...  now there is a earworm for you (a completely pointless movie too) Anyway I get your point and I'll have to watch the episode again.

https://youtu.be/j0bBUmZHb8o?t=2m54s

 

Edited December 28, 2015 by djsurrey

[Stephen Hawking]

I wonder if Sheldon would've been so agreeable, to them getting back to their date, if he knew what they had been doing, just before he knocked?

Edited January 17, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

3 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I wonder if Sheldon would've been so agreeable, to them getting back to their date, if he knew what they had been doing, just before he knocked?

Doesn't matter what they were doing before he knocked, he trusts her and he knows she wouldn't do anything after that conversation  

[Stephen Hawking]

48 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Doesn't matter what they were doing before he knocked, he trusts her and he knows she wouldn't do anything after that conversation  

So the date would be pretty much over, anyway.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

1 minute ago, Stephen Hawking said:

So the date would be pretty much over, anyway.

*nods*

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

6 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I wonder if Sheldon would've been so agreeable, to them getting back to their date, if he knew what they had been doing, just before he knocked?

and it also makes me wonder what would have happened if he had his earworm epiphany, but Amy had not made her "I want to get back together" speech the episode before.... would he have still gone running to her apt? 

[becauseimsunny]

18 hours ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

and it also makes me wonder what would have happened if he had his earworm epiphany, but Amy had not made her "I want to get back together" speech the episode before.... would he have still gone running to her apt? 

He could be. He almost asked her to marry him. The reason he didn't continue was because he saw Amy and Dave kiss. However, I think the point of that epiphany was he that he realized how valuable Amy has become to him and that he was gonna tell her no matter what. "I don't care" was his sentiments when he got there. So it's possible that Sheldon would still have gone running back to her.

[Stephen Hawking]

When Amy calls Dave, to ask him on another date, she says they both made mistakes, citing that she ate the last bread stick.

However, if you watch Mystery Date Observation, in all the restaurant scenes, there's plenty of bread sticks in the glass on their table.

[nickelette424]

15 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

When Amy calls Dave, to ask him on another date, she says they both made mistakes, citing that she ate the last bread stick.

However, if you watch Mystery Date Observation, in all the restaurant scenes, there's plenty of bread sticks in the glass on their table.

That doesn't mean she didn't end up eating the last one.   

[Stephen Hawking]

8 hours ago, nickelette424 said:

That doesn't mean she didn't end up eating the last one.   

The glass still contained bread sticks, when they left the table.

[April]

Idk if that was intentional (probably not?) but the breadstick comment reminded me about that meme that was going around tumblr for a while so I found Amy's line hysterical. lol

(For those who don't know: the basic joke was about awkward dates and in the end one person tries to get out of it like "gotta go, bye" while shoving breadsticks into their purse.)

Edited January 24, 2016 by April