914 'The Meemaw Materialization' (February 4)

[Chocoholic]

I laughed quite a bit. Expected more angst from reading the TR. Glad I was wrong. It wasn't nearly as serious as I expected. I was not as disappointed with Meemaw as some others seem to be. The only part I didn't like her was when she declared it was okay for Penny to work but not for Amy. Its ridiculous. I didn't care for the explanation she gave regarding that. What's stupid is stupid. I loved Sheldon being enamoured by his Meemaw. I can also see why people are disappointed by Lenny just being in the background but seeing as Raj barely gets any attention and had somewhat of a storyline in this episode, the lack of Lenny focus didn't bother me as much. And as much as I'm happy Raj got attention, man they really don't know what to do with him!! Personally I didn't pick up on any vibe between Raj and Claire. It's just Raj being Raj again. I understand that they are trying to hint that maybe Emily is not the girl for him but to do that with the help of another woman is not something I'm liking. Boy needs to grow up but not like this, imo. I wish they had a genuine and believeable Rajily conflict and then him realizing that maybe she's not the one. Regarding that, personally I never had a problem with creepy Emily. But I can see why others did and this season they didn't show even a hint of that and are just making stuff up for the supposed Raj growth. S8 finale already had Shamy and Lenny futures up in the air so I feel like they should have gone for the Rajily breakup back then. It seemed like the perfect time, without any involvement from other people but Raj on his own deciding what to do about the relationship because he was really freaked out by their date. Back to this episode, Howardette were really cute! <3 (Not you! I own your ass!) haha. And knowing what's coming makes me all the more excited for them. 

[meka3000]

51 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

-Second, we spent the first half of the season focused on the breakup so that Sheldon would grow, yet here he is reverting back as if no growth.  It was so annoying!

-she was friendly yes, but she was nothing like Sheldon has been describing for years.   I just believe the writers set an expectation in the heads of fans for years and suddenly gave us nothing at all like what they built in the past......instead of making sure it matched past descriptions that they themselves built about the woman.  

-Ahem

-Like I mentioned before, "they" didn't build past expectations around Meemaw, so much as Sheldon described a warm hearted saint.  Of course Sheldon has been wrong about things he described in the past (such as the haircut records in The Werewolf Transformation), so why shouldn't his description of Meemaw (or anyone else for that matter) be taken with a couple grains of salt?  Personally I thought we saw EVERYTHING in Meemaw that he described over the years.  But we also SAW MORE THAN THAT.  We saw that Meemaw is a flawed individual, with her own unique perspective.  You know, an actual character that comes across as a person.

[3ku11]

4 hours ago, SRAM said:

That is really not how I expected Meemaw to be, the way she was almost described in the show as almost a saint, I expected her to be wiser and sort of have this great insight about Shamy and actually advise Amy on how to get more into Sheldon's head.

Maybe it was an actor choice or directorial. In any case im starting to think they only revealed meemaw is they are running out of ideas.

1 minute ago, meka3000 said:

-Ahem

-Like I mentioned before, "they" didn't build past expectations around Meemaw, so much as Sheldon described a warm hearted saint.  Of course Sheldon has been wrong about things he described in the past (such as the haircut records in The Werewolf Transformation), so why shouldn't his description of Meemaw (or anyone else for that matter) be taken with a couple grains of salt?  Personally I thought we saw EVERYTHING in Meemaw that he described over the years.  But we also SAW MORE THAN THAT.  We saw that Meemaw is a flawed individual, with her own unique perspective.  You know, an actual character that comes across as a person.

Forever the show apologist 

[meka3000]

Just now, Chocoholic said:

 Back to this episode, Howardette were really cute! <3 (Not you! I own your ass!) haha. And knowing what's coming makes me all the more excited for them. 

Yeah this episode was probably the cutest they've come across in what seems like forever.  My favorite bit was Howard's out of nowhere magic trick and then she pulls out her sarcastic smile just like she did.

[stardustmelody]

11 minutes ago, meka3000 said:

-Ahem

-Like I mentioned before, "they" didn't build past expectations around Meemaw, so much as Sheldon described a warm hearted saint.  Of course Sheldon has been wrong about things he described in the past (such as the haircut records in The Werewolf Transformation), so why shouldn't his description of Meemaw (or anyone else for that matter) be taken with a couple grains of salt?  Personally I thought we saw EVERYTHING in Meemaw that he described over the years.  But we also SAW MORE THAN THAT.  We saw that Meemaw is a flawed individual, with her own unique perspective.  You know, an actual character that comes across as a person.

You act like Sheldon is a real person.  Sure they built expectations through Sheldon, albeit, but it was the writer's who set the expectation through their own character.  It wasn't just one time that he talked about Meemaw.  He talked about her a lot in the initial seasons.   I think it is unfair to say that we should take it like a grain of salt since Mary has talked about Meemaw in the past and I believe Missy referred to her as well  and both spoke highly of her.   She was a well respected family matriarch.   And even if Sheldon was the only one that spoke of her in the past, why should his opinion of her be like a grain of salt.   He rarely speaks highly of anyone so in this case, it seems to me that she should be regarded as someone that should be esteemed.  So yes...the writers were the ones that built some sense of who she was, just like they did with Mrs. Wolowitz who we never saw.   

I still think they would have been better to have not seen the character.  We have enough flawed characters on there that it was nice to think you had at least one that was worthy of looking up to!   Sure she became real, but it is a show that realism is far from something that we can expect so why do we have to see her flaws?  I personally liked her as a well respected woman that you thought highly of rather than a whiskey drinking cranky woman.   Sorry, but I found it disappointing and based on the posts here I would say I was far from alone.

I fully understand her wanting to protect her grandson and understand why she would be likely miffed at Amy, but not to the point of making a judgment immediately to dislike her.   Instead it would have been far more likely that Meemaw would have first gotten to know her and assessed her, maybe even shared her anger at her for hurting her grandson, but give her a chance.   But she wrote her off before she even had a chance to say much of anything.   It just seemed very judgmental.

Edited February 5, 2016 by stardustmelody

[meka3000]

Just now, 3ku11 said:

Forever the show apologist 

Yes because faults are NEVER with the viewers, the customer is always right.

"Whoever said the customer is always right, never met the customer."

--Mozzie (White Collar)

[stardustmelody]

22 minutes ago, Chocoholic said:

I laughed quite a bit. Expected more angst from reading the TR. Glad I was wrong. It wasn't nearly as serious as I expected. I was not as disappointed with Meemaw as some others seem to be. The only part I didn't like her was when she declared it was okay for Penny to work but not for Amy. Its ridiculous. I didn't care for the explanation she gave regarding that. What's stupid is stupid. I loved Sheldon being enamoured by his Meemaw. I can also see why people are disappointed by Lenny just being in the background but seeing as Raj barely gets any attention and had somewhat of a storyline in this episode, the lack of Lenny focus didn't bother me as much. And as much as I'm happy Raj got attention, man they really don't know what to do with him!! Personally I didn't pick up on any vibe between Raj and Claire. It's just Raj being Raj again. I understand that they are trying to hint that maybe Emily is not the girl for him but to do that with the help of another woman is not something I'm liking. Boy needs to grow up but not like this, imo. I wish they had a genuine and believeable Rajily conflict and then him realizing that maybe she's not the one. Regarding that, personally I never had a problem with creepy Emily. But I can see why others did and this season they didn't show even a hint of that and are just making stuff up for the supposed Raj growth. S8 finale already had Shamy and Lenny futures up in the air so I feel like they should have gone for the Rajily breakup back then. It seemed like the perfect time, without any involvement from other people but Raj on his own deciding what to do about the relationship because he was really freaked out by their date. Back to this episode, Howardette were really cute! <3 (Not you! I own your ass!) haha. And knowing what's coming makes me all the more excited for them. 

I agree with a lot of what you said here about Raj and Emily and that whole story line.  Totally agree.  I personally didn't have an issue with Emily, but I also have no issue with him realizing that she is not the one for him (if that is where the writers want to takes this permanently), but didn't care for Claire being the vehicle for going there.  I agree it would be better to watch him grow up some via a story that could have been far more compelling.   

I also agree that the story was not angsty and came off "lighter" than the taping report, but that still does not mean I was not disappointed.   I just felt both stories were disappointing for various reasons.   At least it was not angsty or heavy or anything like that.   It definitely was "lighter" than my initial feelings about the episode when I read the taping report.  But I looked at that as my issue not one from those who reported what they saw.   Also, they may have seen a more stern version of Meemaw than we saw in some takes that were not used.   So that could have come across as well.   It just missed the mark because it could have had a lot of potential but the execution was not one of their better achievements.

[meka3000]

Just now, stardustmelody said:

-You act like Sheldon is a real person.  

-Sure they built expectations through Sheldon, albeit, but it was the writer's who set the expectation through their own character.  It wasn't just one time that he talked about Meemaw.  He talked about her a lot in the initial seasons.  

-I think it is unfair to say that we should take it like a grain of salt since both Missy, Mary and Sheldon talked about Meemaw in the past and all talked highly of her.   She was a well respected family matriarch.   So yes...the writers were the ones that built some sense of who she was, just like they did with Mrs. Wolowitz who we never saw.   

-We have enough flawed characters on there that it was nice to think you had at least one that was worthy of looking up to!

-He still operates under rules of internal logic.

-But why take Sheldon's word's as 100% gospel truth with no reservations?  He's been shown to exaggerate/be full of shit on many things over the years, why should this be the exception?

-Also Missy and Mary never mentioned Meemaw.  At least not according to the transcripts I read with the 8 episodes that featured those two characters, the closest we got was the season premiere, "Well, honey, don’t send it back yet. Your sister’s married, and I’m not letting your brother give my grandmother’s ring to that whore he’s dating."  But I think it's pretty obvious Mary Cooper is not talking about meemaw in that quote.

-So if a character has flaws, it means they're not worthy of looking up to? 

[Chocoholic]

4 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

I agree with a lot of what you said here about Raj and Emily and that whole story line.  Totally agree.  I personally didn't have an issue with Emily, but I also have no issue with him realizing that she is not the one for him (if that is where the writers want to takes this permanently), but didn't care for Claire being the vehicle for going there.  I agree it would be better to watch him grow up some via a story that could have been far more compelling.   

I also agree that the story was not angsty and came off "lighter" than the taping report, but that still does not mean I was not disappointed.   I just felt both stories were disappointing for various reasons.   At least it was not angsty or heavy or anything like that.   It definitely was "lighter" than my initial feelings about the episode when I read the taping report.  But I looked at that as my issue not one from those who reported what they saw.   Also, they may have seen a more stern version of Meemaw than we saw in some takes that were not used.   So that could have come across as well.   It just missed the mark because it could have had a lot of potential but the execution was not one of their better achievements.

It was certainly not one of their best episodes. I agree. However inspite of being a big fan of the show I try not to take it very seriously. It's a comedy after all. I watch the show to get away from tensions of life. You are right, the writers had built up this impression thatMeemaw is a loving and a great grandma, perhaps a saint in her own right. But it could also be one of those things where (I don't know if you have witnessed this in real life) sometimes people are just way too defensive when it comes to their family, i.e refusing to see any faults or flaws in them. I just saw it from that angle. I undersand the point you are trying to make and you are completely entitled to your own opinion.

[3ku11]

Hmmm just watched. Sadly only lol once at Rajs line "I promise I well tell Emily" lol. And Penny was funny. But the meemaw storyline felt disjointed. I don't feel.sorry for Sheldon I feel sorry for Amy. As most of the audience I think well. She seemed to have a split personality. Sweet then a bitch lol. Nice Sheldon defended her. But over Sheldon dissing his so called best friend. Lenny were the highlight for me. Opposed to last season. They just look married. And are a team. Cute Penny holding onto Leonard. Unfortunately felt like I was watching a show about Four Couples. Not The Big Bang Theory. That shows long gone. All in all im pretty disappointed in Meemaws exeuction.

I actually prefer she didn't show up at all. She was how I imagined she looked. But boy she was described as a saint. At this point show feels stagnant. At this point can the show surprise you after nine odd years? Shows best eps Bath Item, Maternal Capacitance, Adhesive Duck, Work Song, Stair case, Precious, Recombination, Love Car etc. Are all but a distant memory at this point. After nine years you just can't simply have the same impact you once had. Ill say though compared to other live action sitcoms. Im still enjoying the show. Lenny are the whole damn premise, and have Been diminished so hard. They are barley noticeable. I guess after years of drama. Its nice to watch two ppl just happy and content. But THEY make them anymore background they well slip off the tv screen lol. But it saddenes Me that's what they have become. Supposed to be the main couple. Tptb clearly dont kno what to do with them, now they are MARRIED.

Edited February 5, 2016 by 3ku11

[Chrismo]

11 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Hmmm just watched. Sadly only lol once at Rajs line "I promise I well tell Emily" lol. But the meemaw storyline felt disjointed. I don't feel.sorry for Sheldon I feel sorry for Amy. As most of the audience I think well. She seemed to have a split personality. Sweet then a bitch lol. Nice Sheldon defended her. But over Sheldon dissing his so called best friend. Lenny were the highlight for me. Opposed to last season. They just look married. And are a team. Cute Penny holding onto Leonard. Unfortunately felt like I was watching a show about Four Couples. Not The Big Bang Theory. That shows long gone. All in all im pretty disappointed in Meemaws exeuction. I actually prefer she didn't show up at all. She was how I imagined she looked. But boy she was described as a saint. 

Watched it a second time. Sort of agree with the disjointed sweet/bitch description of Meemaw. A lot of her one liners were like watching the three stooges. Funny at the time but when you think about it it's stupid. like Meemaw's line on how there might be something for Sheldon in her suitcase but you have to go through her underwear to find it. And also if Amy and Meemaw were "synchronized" and that's why they weren't getting along. Ironically we were discussing the Raj/ Penny hook up and part of that story was how Raj thought they would become a couple. The same thing happened with Claire tonight. On the positive side it seemed obvious Lenny and Howdette were the married couples and acted like it.

[veejay]

It wasn't great. The Mee Maw stuff was awkward for the most part and went over topics they've done so far.

I think we don't need to explore all these off screen characters. How about instead of wasting precious episode time introducing new characters, the writers work to make the existing characters more entertaining? There is very limited time in each episode, and there are plenty of ancillary characters in this show already. I wish they'd work with what they've already developed instead of feeling the need to explore the family tree of every character.

'nuff said.

[3ku11]

1 minute ago, veejay said:

It wasn't great. The Mee Maw stuff was awkward for the most part and went over topics they've done so far.

I think we don't need to explore all these off screen characters. How about instead of wasting precious episode time introducing new characters, the writers work to make the existing characters more entertaining? There is very limited time in each episode, and there are plenty of ancillary characters in this show already. I wish they'd work with what they've already developed instead of feeling the need to explore the family tree of every character.

'nuff said.

Agree their is something to be said for simplicity. Just watching the gang hang out eat, watch tv. Is pretty much all audience want too see. Im not saying THEY can't branch out every now and THEN. But THEY are wasting time. Focus on your already developed characters. You know the ones the audience fell in love with. Not off screen.characters.

[A.D.A.]

I did like the episode quite a bit because I really liked the actress they picked for Meemaw! I was reluctant about seeing her on screen at first, too, and she didn't look like what I imagined, but I did think she had great chemistry with everyone. Also, very happy that a girl at the comic book store wasn't treated like a giraffe in Central Park for once. Lenny was very cute together. The discussion about Frozen was a lot of fun. Most of the scenes in this episode where funny, actually, and I thought the writing was good for the jokes. Just wanna put that upfront because while I have some problems with certain themes, I wanna make clear I'll still be rewatching this episode.

My biggest problem, was Raj always such a dick? I mean, I guess I kinda know he was, but it's not like he and Emily are at the start of a relationship. Haven't they been together for two or three years now? The weird thing was that it hardly felt like that, either, so I didn't actually instinctively have a problem with him shopping around a bit, only when I thought about the fact that, oops, actually this is a pretty long-lasting relationship. Not that he can't look at options, but he was so nonchalant and gleeful about it. Right now it's very hard to see what good points Raj has. I used to think he's a romantic, but if he's that easy to dissuade from a two year relationship...

Also, I realise this is an amazing pet peeve, but I'm not a great fan of Amy saying she's Sheldon's "best shot". Yes, Sheldon says things like that too, but when he does, it's for comedy, and when she does, we're supposed to take her serious (audience doesn't laugh). I think she told him before that she's the best girlfriend he'll ever have, too. I chalked that up to writers, but if that's becoming a pattern, seriously, that's just not okay in my book. Hell, she may very well be right, and I don't even like Sheldon; I wouldn't stand five minutes dating him. But aren't you supposed to be glad you have your partner, think of it generally as a great thing they chose you, even if they annoy you sometimes? If you think you're too good for them, then do everyone a favour and break up. Especially saying it to his grandma seems unwise. If my little sister's boyfriend told me that he was "her best shot", you wouldn't believe how fast I'd kick him out of the flat. I find it incredibly disrespectful, but I guess that's more of a personal quirk.

The "Sheldon is five years old" jokes are also getting a bit out of hand. His Meemaw being there obviously contributed to this, but I almost cringed when he told Amy he gave her his virginity. It just seemed so out of place after all the train-playing and getting-lost-in-the-zoo lines. "Sexy Toddler" indeed (another "what were the writers thinking" line from way back). Eep.

Edited February 5, 2016 by A.D.A.

[3ku11]

2 minutes ago, A.D.A. said:

I did like the episode quite a bit because I really liked the actress they picked for Meemaw! I was reluctant about seeing her on screen at first, too, and she didn't look like what I imagined, but I did think she had great chemistry with everyone. Also, very happy that a girl at the comic book store wasn't treated like a giraffe in Central Park for once. Lenny was very cute together. The discussion about Frozen was a lot of fun. Most of the scenes in this episode where funny, actually, and I thought the writing was good for the jokes. Just wanna put that upfront because while I have some problems with certain themes, I wanna make clear I'll still be rewatching this episode.

My biggest problem, was Raj always such a dick? I mean, I guess I kinda know he was, but it's not like he and Emily are at the start of a relationship. Haven't they been together for two or three years now? The weird thing was that it hardly felt like that, either, so I didn't actually instinctively have a problem with him shopping around a bit, only when I thought about the fact that, oops, actually this is a pretty long-lasting relationship. Not that he can't look at options, but he was so nonchalant and gleeful about it. Right now it's very hard to see what good points Raj has. I used to think he's a romantic, but if he's that easy to dissuade from a two year relationship...

Also, I realise this is an amazing pet peeve, but I'm not a great fan of Amy saying she's Sheldon's "best shot". Yes, Sheldon says things like that too, but when he does, it's for comedy, and when she does, we're supposed to take her serious (audience doesn't laugh). I think she told him before that she's the best girlfriend he'll ever have, too. I chalked that up to writers, but if that's becoming a pattern, seriously, that's just not okay in my book. Hell, she may be right and I don't even like Sheldon; I wouldn't stand five minutes dating him. But aren't you supposed to be glad you have your partner, think of it generally as a great thing they chose you, even if they annoy you sometimes? If you think you're too good for them, then do everyone a favour and break up. Especially saying it to his grandma seems unwise. If my little sister's boyfriend told me that he was "her best shot", you wouldn't believe how fast I'd kick him out of the flat. I find it incredibly disrespectful, but I guess that's more of a personal quirk.

The "Sheldon is five years old" jokes are also getting a bit out of hand. His Meemaw being there obviously contributed to this, but I almost cringed when he told Amy he gave her his virginity. It just seemed so out of place after all the train-playing and getting-lost-in-the-zoo lines. "Sexy Toddler" indeed (another "what where the writer's thinking" line from way back). Eep.

Was Raj always a dick? Yes, Yes he has always been. Agree completely with YOUR summarization.

[hokie3457]

4 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Maybe it was an actor choice or directorial. In any case im starting to think they only revealed meemaw is they are running out of ideas.

Forever the show apologist 

I think 3ku11 hit the nail on the head. This was the wrong actor for the part. What was needed was someone who could exude both warmth and toughness. Ms. Squibb has the toughness down; not the believable warmth. 

[No Regrets]

Almost everyone in this ep came off badly except for Howardette and Lenny. 

I didn't like Meemaw. I get it, she's protective of Sheldon blah blah blah. But how about giving Amy a chance instead of attacking her immediately? If she loves her grandson so much, the least she could do is respect his girlfriend, especially when Amy was being absolutely lovely to her. But nooo, Amy is yet again the bad guy cause she dared breaking up with Sheldon after he treated her badly over and over. How dare she. I don't need to see Meemaw again. 

Sheldon belittling Leonard's work. I'm so over it. So 100% completely over it. It stopped being funny 8 seasons ago. Actually scratch that. It was never funny to begin with. He's your best friend. Start treating him with a little f---ing respect. 

Raj. I wish these writers would finally figure out what to do with him. If him acting like a douche is the best they can come up with, they should just write him off the show instead. No offense to Kunal, but this is getting ridiculous.

Howardette were adorable. Just absolutely adorable. So were Lenny during the 0.2 seconds we saw them once again reacting to Sheldon's struggle of the week. I'm gonna throw a party when they finally move out.

 

[luminous]

16 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

 I'm gonna throw a party when they finally move out.

Yeah! I bring the food.

When Lenny finally move out of 4A I will definitely mark the date on a calendar. That's for sure.

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

7 hours ago, stardustmelody said:

Well...I have to say this really missed the boat in so many ways.   First off I agree with whoever posted above that Leonard and Penny need to be living in a separate location from Sheldon.   They really should have their own story and not have their only story be about how to parent Sheldon.   Tonight's episode screamed that they were in the wrong story and that they need their own story.  I have no issue with them interacting with Sheldon and Amy, etc. but it was blatantly obvious that the writers have no idea what to write for them so they placed them awkwardly in this story.  They deserve their own story and should have their own arc.

Second, we spent the first half of the season focused on the breakup so that Sheldon would grow, yet here he is reverting back as if no growth.  It was so annoying!   When he saw his Meemaw starting to snark at Amy, he should have immediately set her straight and told her, respectfully, of course, that they both grew from the experience.  He had just told Amy he knew he had grown from the breakup and then acts like she was the one that needed to grown in this one? And he had to be prompted by Lenny to stand up with Amy and admit that the breakup was good for growth?   What happened to the Sheldon that had admitted to Amy that he was glad they broke up and got back together because it made them stronger?  

The most annoying thing of all was FINALLY when Amy and Meemaw were starting to relate when Meemaw revealed about Pop-Pop being a difficult man to live with, they were interrupted before they could finish.  I so wanted to see them resolve this between them before the interruption even.   Especially since the interruption by Sheldon was so disappointing.   It wasn't on his own merit that he interrupted, but because he was pushed by Penny to do it.   That was a definite FAIL in this episode.

I also felt that Meemaw had very little warmth, even toward Sheldon and Leonard, etc.   She was friendly yes, but she was nothing like Sheldon has been describing for years.   I just believe the writers set an expectation in the heads of fans for years and suddenly gave us nothing at all like what they built in the past.  Instead they wanted to try and reveal about the ring to Amy via Meemaw, and Molaro got his wish to have Meemaw not like Amy,  and it was clear that it was all done to be the big reveal and to have Meemaw have a reason to dislike Amy,  instead of making sure it matched past descriptions that they themselves built about the woman.   It is really poor writing when you make it so glaringly obvious that the reason you are violating your historical character development in favor of telling a short-term story.   That is exactly what happened here.   Ugh...just ugh.

Overall, I wish they had never introduced Meemaw on the show rather than have given us this episode.   I know we all looked forward to meeting her, but not like this.   

I also disliked Raj's story in this.   I found his flip flopping and crushing on a girl that was not encouraging him in the slightest was annoying.   Howardette were the couple of the episode.   They showed a lot of wisdom.   

Honestly, I can't say I laughed once and I found the whole episode just  disappointing.  It missed the boat and I hope that they get back on track because they had been doing some better writing and this one just wasn't of the same caliber.

This is basically everything I wanted to say! 

I'm so sick of Lenny not having their own non-Sheldon related story; it's really disappointing how they've simply become Sheldon's babysitters. I honestly have no idea why they even needed to be involved in the Meemaw story except for the Moonpie line. I know that with such little time in the show it doesn't seem like they could've been given them their own arc, but they were literally just THERE this episode... 

Raj's story was boring and Howardette were like Lenny; they were just there...

Way too much time spent on Meemaw just hating on Amy. I wish they had cut out like half of just them being nasty to each other and instead used that time to make Meemaw see how much Amy could relate to her and Pop-pop... making me believe her more when she said she "guesses so" about giving her blessing. But that was interrupted by Sheldon's anti-climactic speech (prompted only by Penny) about how they're working on their imperfect relationship just like Meemaw and Pop-pop had -- nothing about how strong their love is or how the breakup changed him... ugh. in my mind I'm gonna assume they wrapped everything up at Applebee's and now Meemaw approves of Amy and really does give her blessing... and maybe instead of being dragged to Applebee's with the couple Meemaw's actually there to see, Lenny could have the apartment to themselves that evening lol

If this is what they are set on for portraying Meemaw, I wish they had never had her appear and just kept her offscreen. It's clear the writers blame Amy for this breakup (they bring it up again in the next episode too!) because Sheldon always has to be right and nothing is ever his fault. And I guess Amy's new appreciation for Sheldon, flaws and all has just died down and we're back to "I know how to deal with him and no one else could ever put up with him like I do". It's inconsistent how they had her wanting to be his gf again before he realized how much he truly loves her and needs to treat her, and now she's pointing out the same behavior she was so desperate to go back to just a couple months ago. 

I hope the next episode makes up for this one...

[April]

8 hours ago, stardustmelody said:

Second, we spent the first half of the season focused on the breakup so that Sheldon would grow, yet here he is reverting back as if no growth.  It was so annoying!   When he saw his Meemaw starting to snark at Amy, he should have immediately set her straight and told her, respectfully, of course, that they both grew from the experience.  He had just told Amy he knew he had grown from the breakup and then acts like she was the one that needed to grown in this one? And he had to be prompted by Lenny to stand up with Amy and admit that the breakup was good for growth?   What happened to the Sheldon that had admitted to Amy that he was glad they broke up and got back together because it made them stronger? 

Pssst, I think you're mixing up the order of the episodes here. Spoilers and everything. At this point none of that has happened and Sheldon has no clue why his Meemaw is suddenly snapping at Amy so how could he specifically defend the breakup?

[Rajamon]

I officially don't like Meemaw!  I could understand her rabid attack on Amy if Amy had been sleeping around behind Sheldon's back, dumped him and then they got back together.  Amy broke up with Sheldon when he treated her like she was last on his list of priorities, pressured her when she asked for space, and then finally insulted her in front of their friends.

If Meemaw wanted an honest answer about Amy's intentions with her almost 40 year old grandson, she could have asked in a respectful manner.  Amy then would have most likely responded in like, with respectful answers.  I guess that wouldn't have left room for the mean humor the writers seem to love so much, though.

Speaking of mean humor, I, like No regrets, am so tired of the jokes made at Leonard's expense.  I really hope he makes some kind of major achievement in science or gets tenure- or even better, both.

And what the hell, Raj?  There was no chemistry I could see with the hot blond at the comic store.  Even if there was (seriously, I saw none), you have a long term girlfriend, you jerk!

The only part I really remember laughing at was Penny.  I laughed when she said she'd catch up with Leonard and even more so at her response at being asked if she had known about the ring.

I really do like Shamy and am happy they're back together, but I wish we could move past it now and spend some time with the other couples.

[Stephen Hawking]

7 hours ago, stardustmelody said:

I think it is unfair to say that we should take it like a grain of salt since Mary has talked about Meemaw in the past and I believe Missy referred to her as well  and both spoke highly of her..

Of course they did, she's their mother, and grandmother.

How many people see their mother, or grandmother, as outsiders do?

[veejay]

On 5.2.2016 at 2:02 PM, luminous said:

Yeah! I bring the food.

When Lenny finally move out of 4A I will definitely mark the date on a calendar. That's for sure.

Then I guess I'm in.

 

Edited June 11, 2016 by veejay

[SRAM]

Watching this episode made me think about the two old men in the balcony that would comment about the show below them in the muppet show. I saw Lenny being those two old men during the 4A scene.

[djsurrey]

4 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

I think 3ku11 hit the nail on the head. This was the wrong actor for the part. What was needed was someone who could exude both warmth and toughness. Ms. Squibb has the toughness down; not the believable warmth. 

I think the actor was good for the part as it was written.

I also think it was nice that we got to see Meemaw. It rounds off Sheldon's history a little more. I also think Amy passed Meemaw's test by the end.