episodes 916 'The Positive Negative Reaction' (February 18)

[Tensor]

It's interesting what different people find acceptable or not, or funny or not.    I didn't think the Sheldon's bed thing that big of a deal, I absolutely hated the "our" apartment, but then I've been bitching about them being there for a couple of months now.   As for the tag, I thought the moment between Leonard and Penny was pretty sweet, and the drawing on Sheldon pretty funny.  However, I can see where others may not like it as much as I did.  

[JE7]

8 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

No...it was what they chose to put instead.  Shamy were never the focal point and should not have been....but the funniest laugh, according to my friend and a couple of others that went to the taping I have spoken to, was a moment where Bernie is talking about "you know how your man looks and you and one thing leads to another" and Amy looked "dreamy" while still facing Bernadette with a goofy expression and it lasted a couple of seconds....then turns quickly to Penny and says her line....but supposedly it brought very, very loud laughs because of the way Mayim played it.  That was cut.  And it is a shame because it was a very funny moment from all accounts.   Likewise while at the karaoke bar, when the girls arrive, they changed Sheldon's reaction.   Initially in all the takes at the taping, based on feedback from those that went, he looks over at Amy, smiles big and pats the chair next to jim and it is quick but a sweet moment.   Now instead he turns and waves at Penny and then Amy just sits next to him.   The thing is he was the one that wanted Amy to come there and he was watching for her,  so the change didn't make as much sense and fell flat and lost a sweet quick moment between Shamy.  Just like Lenny were given one sweet moment in the tag (albeit longer), the Shamy moment was way briefer, but sweet and now it is lost because of the change.   It isn't that there wasn't enough Shamy.  It never was about Shamy...it was always about Howardette.  But I am not sure why they made the editing decision they made in favor of him waving over to Penny instead.  It just didn't make sense. 

 

I think this highlights the danger of TR you got your expectations up for certain things that didn't make it to the final cut.

You may well have enjoyed the episode more with out having those expectations before it even aired

 

[vonmar]

1 minute ago, Chrismo said:

1. I think Bernie will be okay. Didn't Bernie keep Mandy a secret from Penny for two years?

2. I guess Howdette were the first to have coitus in the bed. Sheldon has always treated Howard with total kindness.

3.Again Sheldon has been always been kind to Lenny. If he had let Lenny live in 4b this wouldn't happen. By the way where was Amy at this time. A concerned girlfriend would of took care of him.

4. Amy "feeling like one of the girls now". She has a long long long ways to go for that.

The  episode was centered around Howdette tonight. Some I'm guessing won't like that. The kareoke was the funniest part. I'm not sure why Amy had to tell Sheldon about Howdette in his bed. Some things are better left unsaid. Overall not the best episode ever but better than one character hogging all the screen time like some previous episodes this season.

1. This can be a once in a lifetime announcement and Bernie was the first in the group to reach this milestone. Penny should have shut her mouth.

2. In Sheldon's bed, it's just wrong, gross and weird.

3. Let's punish Sheldon with permanent markers....it's all his fault.  Maybe Amy helps bring him home entrusting him to the tender care of L/P? Nope big mistake.

4. She has a new way to connect to them, I love that she gets to have that.

[JE7]

41 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

I do think the recap definitely impacted the overall version and agree it was entirely not necessary.   

Totally agree about Bernie's moment being fizzled because of Penny.  That really annoyed me.   And she didn't even apologize, but just asked how they wanted to handle it.   I mean that was ridiculous and shows how the writers are so inconsistent.   She couldn't wait to blab gossip on her phone, but never told Amy about the ring?   Such inconsistency.   But what troubled me most is that Bernadette deserved to be able to tell things herself and share her news herself, not interrupted from Penny who is reading it from Leonard on her phone.  That felt cheap to me and the writers really don't understand how important that is to a woman or they would have never done that.

Also wasn't happy they chose to have Sheldon's bed be "soiled" with the conception story coming from his bed.  

I think instead of the tag scene they used, it would have been better to have cut that tag scene altogether and instead put back in some of the better scenes that were cut and have the tag have been Sheldon interrupting at the karaoke bar with his line about "what kind of maniacs...."  That would have been a great place to have ended the episode.   While it was supposed to be a sweet Lenny moment, it just didn't play out well enough to make it worthy of keeping and as you said it was annoying that they drew all over Sheldon's face.   

But the most annoying factor of all to me was her calling the boys apartment "our" because it still is Sheldon's apartment.   She is living there temporarily supposedly so her taking ownership of it was annoying.   

I still say the good far outweighed the bad on this one though.  I felt that the karaoke (bad singing, yes, but sweet friendship moments) was worthy and for the most part the guys scenes and the girls scenes were good.  It was well done and good use of the cast otherwise.

So mean ol Lenny didn't deserve the tag and the time should have been used for more Shamy?

Y'all crack me up it is now the Sheldon show he is in the spotlight 90℅ of the time and the one episode that centers on other charectors is critiqued for not having enough Shamy. To the point of pointing out scenes witch could be cut to allow more Shamy. Y'all are never satisfied unles it's all Shamy all the time pleasr give the rest of us a break we have favs to

Edited February 19, 2016 by JE7

[Chrismo]

6 minutes ago, vonmar said:

1. This can be a once in a lifetime announcement and Bernie was the first in the group to reach this milestone. Penny should have shut her mouth.

2. In Sheldon's bed, it's just wrong, gross and weird.

3. Let's punish Sheldon with permanent markers....it's all his fault.  Maybe Amy helps bring him home entrusting him to the tender care of L/P? Nope big mistake.

4. She has a new way to connect to them, I love that she gets to have that.

what Penny said was an accident. What Bernadette did was wrong. I don't remember much reaction on here about that. Especially since She met Howard because of Penny. I do get the bed thing but to me it's not that big adeal. In regards to the permanent marker do we need to go over what Sheldon has done, especially to Leonard, in the prior 198 episodes without hearing Sheldon doesn't know any better.

13 minutes ago, JE7 said:

So mean ol Lenny didn't deserve the tag and the time should have been used for more Shamy?

Y'all crack me up it is now the Sheldon show he is in the spotlight 90℅ of the time and the one episode that centers on other charectors is critiqued for not having enough Shamy. To the point of pointing out scenes witch could be cut to allow more Shamy. Y'all are never satisfied unles it's all Shamy all the time pleasr give the rest of us a break we have favs to

The thing is my wife has been to a taping, and while not a shipper, admitted most there were Shamy/Sheldon fans. So for one there is go to be a bias and two we are discussing scenes that were never seen. We can only really comment on what we see on Thursday nights.

[stardustmelody]

57 minutes ago, JE7 said:

So mean ol Lenny didn't deserve the tag and the time should have been used for more Shamy?

Y'all crack me up it is now the Sheldon show he is in the spotlight 90℅ of the time and the one episode that centers on other charectors is critiqued for not having enough Shamy. To the point of pointing out scenes witch could be cut to allow more Shamy. Y'all are never satisfied unles it's all Shamy all the time pleasr give the rest of us a break we have favs to

Ugh...that is not at all what I am saying.  I am saying the tag scene was okay, but wasn't great.   To me what really was the tag was Sheldon blurting out and interrupting Howard.  I personally would have rather had more of the seven of them interacting at the karaoke bar and not Shamy specifically....but the entire group!   That would have been stronger and would have let Howard sing more of the touching song he was singing to Bernadette and not felt so annoying to have Sheldon interrupt (although it was understandable and justifiable that he did).   Just that some moments were rushed throughout the episode and it would have been better to have cut the recap, keep the conversation between Lenny that happened back at the house, but do it at the bar instead (and not end it with them having his face marked up).   But let the interactions happen at the bar and Howard sing the beautiful song and then Sheldon interrupt and that be the tag.   

In fact, I feel the conversation between Lenny was specifically important to keep in, just not at the apartment and not with Sheldon's face marked up on the couch.  It would have been nicer to see them talk about it at the bar, cozied up together while Howard was singing to Bernie in the background.

Edited February 19, 2016 by stardustmelody

[JE7]

14 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

Ugh...that is not at all what I am saying.  I am saying the tag scene was okay, but wasn't great.   To me what really was the tag was Sheldon blurting out and interrupting Howard.  I personally would have rather had more of the seven of them interacting at the karaoke bar and not Shamy specifically....but the entire group!   That would have been stronger and would have let Howard sing more of the touching song he was singing to Bernadette and not felt so annoying to have Sheldon interrupt (although it was understandable and justifiable that he did).   Just that some moments were rushed throughout the episode and it would have been better to have cut the recap, keep the conversation between Lenny that happened back at the house, but do it at the bar instead (and not end it with them having his face marked up).   But let the interactions happen at the bar and Howard sing the beautiful song and then Sheldon interrupt and that be the tag.   

In fact, I feel the conversation between Lenny was specifically important to keep in, just not at the apartment and not with Sheldon's face marked up on the couch.  It would have been nicer to see them talk about it at the bar, cozied up together while Howard was singing to Bernie in the background.

Sorry stardust but while your using different words your saying the same thing should have ended with SHELDON, they were mean to SHELDON, Lenny should have talked about it at the bar not had a solo scene, they cut the best SHAMY stuff that you heard about in the tr same thing as you said the first time you just threw in a little Howerdette to make it go down easier, oh and it was totally fine for SHELDON to interrupt the song but once again bad Penny for basically the same action

Edited February 19, 2016 by JE7

[Chrismo]

There was no need for Amy telling Sheldon about the bed and then Sheldon's reaction. That easily could of been cut. Amy was just being an ass by telling him at the bar anyways. The tag could of been Lenny discussing babies in 4b and then referencing Sheldon and Sheldon asleep on his spot still singing Kareoke.

[stardustmelody]

15 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

There was no need for Amy telling Sheldon about the bed and then Sheldon's reaction. That easily could of been cut. Amy was just being an ass by telling him at the bar anyways. The tag could of been Lenny discussing babies in 4b and then referencing Sheldon and Sheldon asleep on his spot still singing Kareoke.

Yes that would have been fine too...but given how typical tag scenes are on this show, what happened with Sheldon interrupting at the bar is a typical tag feel.   Even tonight, I had forgotten from the TR that there was a scene after and I was about to turn it off when I realized that it was still a few minutes left.   It just felt a natural "tag".

[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

Yes that would have been fine too...but given how typical tag scenes are on this show, what happened with Sheldon interrupting at the bar is a typical tag feel.   Even tonight, I had forgotten from the TR that there was a scene after and I was about to turn it off when I realized that it was still a few minutes left.   It just felt a natural "tag".

To be honest Sheldon interrupting was annoying no matter when it was. I get that there's usually a laugh during the tag but there has been episodes when there hasn't.

[djsurrey]

I quite enjoyed the episode. It is odd , funny and refreshing to see Howard nervous about being a dad. Who would have thought we would get to this point given Howard in season one? If I better understood what I was in for I would have been scared silly.

I realy liked the reference to the new hypothetical planet 9. (

 ) Guess I called that.

[JE7]

15 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

I quite enjoyed the episode. It is odd , funny and refreshing to see Howard nervous about being a dad. Who would have thought we would get to this point given Howard in season one? If I better understood what I was in for I would have been scared silly.

I realy liked the reference to the new hypothetical planet 9. (

 ) Guess I called that.

Yes you did.... Good call 

 

Edited February 19, 2016 by JE7

[Shelldon]

This episode had some passable humor (I would never use a period instead of a question mark in a text) and a somewhat coherent Howardette arc that they haven't shared in awhile. It was a simple and basic premise but sometimes relying on an easy concept can give the show more time to focus on aspects it usually lacks. I really thought they handled most of the conversations in this episode well.

The karaoke "baby" singing was a chore to sit through though. It could have just been normal karaoke instead of attempting the lame punchline of Bernadette having a baby meaning they had to sing songs with the word "baby" in them. I was also disappointed with Sheldon not being given a funnier thing to sing on stage. A bit of missed potential.

Once again the Leonard/Sheldon helium theory is brought up. I'm curious of its impending significance, perhaps in the finale? Also I do not get the obsession with wine that these girls have in so many of their subplots.

Finally I have to say it was amazing to finally get out of that apartment. I really enjoyed the set change they were all at. Very refreshing visually. I hope they will do less bottle-ish episodes after the Sheldon party next week.

[mirs1]

I was very excited by the Karaoke episode, it has been a dream of mine for a group episode since, well...ever. It did not play as funny as I thought, maybe because (sorry to admit) I didn't know any of the song they sang and, overall, I didn't like them. The way they sang, anyway, was quite funny. Simon  and Melissa were great, they played the parents-to-be really well, they were both really on fire tonight. I could have done without drunk Sheldon, it was another thing I was really excited about (since I've always thought drunk Sheldon is the funniest Sheldon) but this time it came across to me as pretty much a rehash of some old episodes, it wasn't as fun as I thought it would have been. I agree with the ones saying that the tag should have been Sheldon complaining that someone used his bed rather than the one they used. I'm not saying that Lenny shouldn't have had their scene, it was really sweet and I liked it very much, right up to the part they turned to Sheldon and his face. That bar scene felt to me as the "conclusion" of the episode. The other one did not seemed a "conclusion" at all. Again, it's not about cutting Lenny scene, I'm glad they had it and I enjoyed it, it's more about the order of the scenes and the my idea of "closure". I'm very bothered by the "our place" line, really it stuck in my head after Penny said it and for the next 5 minutes I could think about anything else, what a nightmare! All things considered, a "good" episode, not the best of this season, but I admit I had very high expectations, both from the news we got from the TR (not complaining at all, I will always thank for all the bits of information we have...) and for the fact that, as I said, I was waiting for a Karaoke episode for so long. BTW, how short the episode was? so many commercials....

[bhreg]

I would totally go do karaoke with Raj and Leonard anytime, anywhere!  Leonard's little hip-hop move before his solo, bwah!...bless you Johnny Galecki!  I think Jim Parsons really enjoys playing drunk Sheldon!  The "Hey, how you doin'?" during the stumble to the bathroom/kitchen, caused a near nasal expulsion of the wine I was drinking.

I thought Howard's freakout was pretty realistic, glad the guys talked him down.  I liked Sheldon's vote of confidence for Howard, another step in the slowly changing dynamic between them.

I enjoyed the episode and had many laugh out loud moments during the bar and karaoke scenes.

We'll see how this whole baby thing plays out...as this was an unplanned storyline according to Molaro.  So they are clearly driving without a map here!

[JE7]

Actually including the intro it was 19:38 about a minute longer than average this season I think

[Lionne]

Cute episode. I liked it; I enjoyed the chemistry of both the guys and the girls hanging out. Details played for humor, like Penny bursting out the news, were funny and made me laugh. Johnny was my favorite on the mic; he really made me crack up.

Simon and Melissa were really the stars of this episode though, and they were great. I loved Howard flipping out, and Bernadette's freak out too. The last two episodes have really portrayed them, and sod them successfully, as a true married couple. Guess it is best when they live on their own like a real couple. (Hint hint, show.) 

Sorry to take phanta's line, but I'm not bothered by any of the details. It's the 9th season and I can live with a bab plot at this point, even if those are not my favorite. Knew this as coming pretty soon, they have lad the groundwork for this. Not bothered by the "our place" line, even if it seemed kinda weird as Penny always has her own place. It seems she now sees Leonard and Sheldon's place as more her home as hers, but then again, it's practically all one big unit anyway. I also suspect they keep pointing out the current living arrangements on purpose. 

I was sad the chair tap for Shamy was refilmed, but I guess I'll never know what I was missing. 

Edited February 19, 2016 by Lionne

[mirs1]

40 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Actually including the intro it was 19:38 about a minute longer than average this season I think

Maybe the recap at the beginning made the show look shorter. They could have avoided it (actually with all the advertising about Bernie's pregnancy there was no need for it) and add a scene in the Karaoke bar, it would have been nice if Bernie got to sing something, too...

[JE7]

I think the recap was for syndication, planning ahead so to speak

[A.D.A.]

I quite liked this episode as well! In the TR, and considering their general continuity, I was a bit worried that they'd forget Howard's history again (like when they let him claim he'd never had doubts about Bernadette) and just make him afraid of the baby when he used to be the one that wanted a child, but I thought Simon Helberg really acted the hell out of that part, you could see the slide from happy shock to panic and that seemed like a natural reaction. I'm also always a fangirl for when they are talking science, since that is for me what makes the BBT characters so special, so I really enjoyed the bar scene and the continuing plot of that theory Leonard and Sheldon worked on. Karaoke dragged on a little (although I think Penny's and Amy's duet was really cute), but I think that's mostly because I'm not into cringe comedy. "Push it real good."

[fragileShAmyheart]

Group episode. Yay! I laughed from start to finish. First of all, Howardette is now my relationship goal. I love the Shamy but they're not really that ideal in real life.  The reveal is absolutely the cutest...as well as Howard acting panicky and all - "...or worse, what if SHE looks like me?". HAHA! Really cracks me up. We rarely see the serious Sheldon but when he is, he says the most amazing things. Definitely made Howard realize the positive side of being a father - "...I'm confident you're gonna be the best dad you can be". Awwww...

I didn't mind Penny ruining Bernie's announcement about the pregnancy. Well I would flip out if she ruined it for Howard but no. So all is well. I love how Kaley portrays Penny and she always finds a way to make these flaws adorable.

The gang singing karaoke is sublime! Why didn't they do this sooner???

I thought Penny would have an 'no no' reaction when she and Leonard talked about having a baby/babies. "Not in a rush but someday. Yeah sure"  - though I still can't imagine the show with little sets of feet running around. But that's just me so...

I've read here that there is supposed to be a scene where drunk Sheldon looks excited seeing Amy enter the bar and taps on the chair next to him to signal Amy to take a seat. I would die just to see that! And Amy is funnier in the taping too but they didn't include some of these scenes? Just ugh!

Well, I'll just enjoy this scene to comfort myself...

HIGH FIVES ALL AROUND!

Edited February 19, 2016 by fragileShAmyheart

[April]

It's a bummer that certain scenes were cut for whatever reason but overall I still thought it was a great episode. I love it when the whole gang just has a good time and is supporting each other! <3

[kelliluvtbbt]

for me , it was a wonderful episode from start to finish... mostly for the reasons that have been previously stated. 

the only thing i really didn't like was the 'our place' line but i can understand it. even when they were dating or just friends, she was there often enough and now they are practically there all the time. I get it... I just don't like it. Lenny should have their own place but i guess the writers have a different opinion as to why they don't. 

curious to see what else is coming up. 

[SRAM]

Like someone already said, it was nice to see the gang out and having fun together, doing something the girls, especially we know Penny enjoys, instead of always doing what the guys want.  They all seemed to be having fun and the Hofstadters banter at the end was cute.  They have hinted in the show that the couples or group does things like this but it was actually nice to see it in the show for a change.  I think the group together is always funny, they play off each other so well.

[No Regrets]

I liked the episode. 

Howardette were adorable and Simon/Melissa just made me smile. They were great and I'm so happy for them.

I had to mute the karaoke part. I can't listen to bad singing. I always feel so embarrassed on their behalf. I'm sure it was funny, though.

I love drunk Sheldon. He's hysterical.

Didn't mind Lenny drawing on his face. He's done much worse things to them than that. It was funny. Childish? Yes. But funny. Would've loved to see his reaction.

Solid episode.