[Spoilers] Season 9-10 Hiatus Thread

[3ku11]

Ugh don't remind me she once had short hair. 

1 hour ago, Carlos said:

I presume you don't understand my comment about Grey's Anatomy. It is in its 12th season, and it has pretty heavy cast turnover which helps it a lot because new stories are created while some old ones are disposed of.

In my opinion you cannot have cast turnover in TBBT because it would destroy it.

That being said I think TBBT has seen better days.

I agree. Kunal hasn't really been important since the end of S6. When he was able to conquer his selective mutism that was it. Perhaps if they'd done something different with his ability to talk to women... Btw, I cannot believe what they did to his and Emily's story.

I think that is everyone post S6 who isin't Sheldon/Jim .

[serena_1995]

On 6/14/2016 at 0:40 AM, 3ku11 said:

Amy can do better *Hides*

It is most likely BS. But hypothetically could BBT do the show without Johnny and KAley? Short Answer hell no. SAy what you want about other characters. But Leonard and Penny are the entire premise. And unless Both Johnny and Kaley are suddenly sick of the show. Based on what they have said, I doubt it. So yeah bullshit, I Would be shocked. I mean if Leonard and Penny do leave in S10. I could see it like That 70's show, where they try to do the show without two of their main characters Eric and Kelso. OF course Sheldon woulden't be funny at all without LEnny. It would be like Two and a half men without Charlie Sheen. 

It is not about Amy finding a generic perfect boyfriend.  If the only interesting discussion about Tbbt can be about who is having sex (or not having sex) with whom, who made up, who fought, who gets married and who has a baby, then I might as well watch Friends or a million other conventional tv shows.  

Sheldon represents a certain kind of rare genius, perhaps suffering from a disorder,an  outsider who is passionate,  brilliant, aloof, blunt and a person dictated by schedules and regiments and not dictated by  social rules (well, not as much as others) . There is more to the existence of Sheldon than just 'shamy proposal and wedding' or to discuss who can do better.

 Getting rid of a character like Sheldon is detrimental not only because he has been a fan and critic favorite(that's subjective anyway) , but because doing away with such a unique aspergers like character sends a sad and chilling message that conformity , conventional heterosexual romance and external validation from society is the most important thing, above all else like individuality and being different. The fun, geeky stuff, the humor, the passion for science and discovery is what set tbbt apart, and the relationships should be written to match that, not the other way round.

Sorry for the long rant but I feel sometimes viewers miss the entire point about Sheldon and the original premise behind the character.  

Edited June 15, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[legacy99]

Again jmo but i hope the show doesn't go pass season 10. Over the last 2 seasons I've gotten tire of penny being all snarky toward leonard and seemly more concern about sheldons happiness than leonards

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[Stephen Hawking]

11 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Over the last 2 seasons I've gotten tire of penny being all snarky toward leonard and seemly more concern about sheldons happiness than leonards

Maybe that's the idea.

Leonard finally gets sick and tired of sharing his wife with Sheldon, and gives her an ultimatum, "either come and live with me, in 4B, or we're through".

Maybe Sheldon then tells Penny, that she and Leonard need to move out and live together, which they do.

[legacy99]

I hope your right but I wouldn't bet on it

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[Tonstar17]

Maybe that's the idea.

Leonard finally gets sick and tired of sharing his wife with Sheldon, and gives her an ultimatum, "either come and live with me, in 4B, or we're through".

Maybe Sheldon then tells Penny, that she and Leonard need to move out and live together, which they do.

You make it look like its Penny keeping them in 4a I'm sure if either penny or Leonard get sick of living with Sheldon they will support each other and move out. Also don't forget its Tptb that are keeping Lenny in 4A not Penny.

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[JE7]

2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Maybe that's the idea.

Leonard finally gets sick and tired of sharing his wife with Sheldon, and gives her an ultimatum, "either come and live with me, in 4B, or we're through".

Maybe Sheldon then tells Penny, that she and Leonard need to move out and live together, which they do.

Why would Sheldon need to tell Penny to move with her husband? Does she need his permission? Why would Sheldon be involved at all? Why do Sheldon fans insist it should be HIM who tells THEM to move?

Just another example of Sheldon must be involved in everything, he has no business being involved in Lenny personal life decisions. But some think everything in the show must be run thru Sheldon. This and many other things in the charectors lives have nothing to do with him and he has no business being involved but he always is.

This attitude that he must have a say in everything as expressed by the writers as well as sheldonistas is the root cause of the shows decline into the Sheldon show imo

Edited June 15, 2016 by JE7

[Stephen Hawking]

3 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Also don't forget its Tptb that are keeping Lenny in 4A not Penny.

I'm aware of that, but I'm thinking they'll write a big Sheldon and Leonard argument (similar to  the one in The Spoiler Alert Segmentation), which will lead to Leonard storming out, to live in 4B, with Penny.

[Swedish Chef]

17 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Also don't forget its Tptb that are keeping Lenny in 4A not Penny.

Sadly I think that Lenny in 4B is far away. Tptb is afraid of changing the core of Tbbt, Leonard and Sheldon in 4A. Much easier to put Penny there as well. 

[JE7]

22 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

Sadly I think that Lenny in 4B is far away. Tptb is afraid of changing the core of Tbbt, Leonard and Sheldon in 4A. Much easier to put Penny there as well. 

AND it lets them drag out the Shamy story. Without Leonard living in 4A there would be no reason for Amy and Sheldon not to spend more time alone, they would have to figure out why Amy dosent move in since Sheldon apparently can't live alone. More Alone scenes for Lenny which they would have to actually think about and actually be creative (to much like actually working for thier paychecks) also that might raise their popularity/importance back to its old levels again, that might just take some of the spotlight off of Sheldon and God knows we can't have that.

22 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

 

 

Edited June 15, 2016 by JE7

[nibbler747]

I would like the three of them change their living arrangements on good terms and without a fight. If there was a time jump (which there probably won't be considering the redo wedding is occurring), I would have liked to see the season start with Lenny in a remodeled 4B, and Sheldon over giving his opinions on their new apartment.  All still friendly with no drama.

I don't think it's Sheldon fans requiring Sheldon to be involved in all scenes.  I think it's the writers afraid to mess with their formula of having LP&S together in the same place.  But I do hope they try, and see that the show can still be very funny, and can still have lots of group scenes even with them living separately.

[JE7]

22 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

 

I don't think it's Sheldon fans requiring Sheldon to be involved in all scenes.  I think it's the writers

Indeed in the show it is the writers. They have a nice easy formula that has worked so far, put Sheldon in the center and watch him react. Quuck easy and another episode done let's deposit the check and go enjoy all that time we don't have to spend actually working.

But Sheldon fans allways talk about how moving will effect him and how it has to be on his terms so he dosent "have issues" with it because apparently all things must be on Sheldon's terms. The subject has been discussed on the shamy thread several times. 

Apparently all other charectors happiness is secondary to Sheldon's comfort level with changes to his homeostasis. Sheldon is not a sacred cow and the world or the show will not spontaneously implode if others are allowed to do things or make decisions with out his input or approval.

He is no more or less important than, Leonard, Penny or even Howard. The attitude that he is, is IMO the shows largest problem.

 

Edited June 15, 2016 by JE7

[Carlos]

9 hours ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

It is not about Amy finding a generic perfect boyfriend.  If the only interesting discussion about Tbbt can be about who is having sex (or not having sex) with whom, who made up, who fought, who gets married and who has a baby, then I might as well watch Friends or a million other conventional tv shows.  

Sheldon represents a certain kind of rare genius, perhaps suffering from a disorder,an  outsider who is passionate,  brilliant, aloof, blunt and a person dictated by schedules and regiments and not dictated by  social rules (well, not as much as others) . There is more to the existence of Sheldon than just 'shamy proposal and wedding' or to discuss who can do better.

 Getting rid of a character like Sheldon is detrimental not only because he has been a fan and critic favorite(that's subjective anyway) , but because doing away with such a unique aspergers like character sends a sad and chilling message that conformity , conventional heterosexual romance and external validation from society is the most important thing, above all else like individuality and being different. The fun, geeky stuff, the humor, the passion for science and discovery is what set tbbt apart, and the relationships should be written to match that, not the other way round.

Sorry for the long rant but I feel sometimes viewers miss the entire point about Sheldon and the original premise behind the character.  

I haven't read the discussion, if there was such, just your post and the one you quoted. Full disclosure: I fully believe that TBBT's best days are behind it, and have liked S1 through six, a little of S7 (several episodes) less in S8, and while I've liked some of S9 there have been so many episodes that have been unfunny, and so many others that have been ridiculous that I've lost count. The disregard for canon by the writers is such that the story loses credibility. The suspension of disbelief is indeed very hard to achieve, nowadays.

I agree that Sheldon can't be funny by himself, because since he is such an extreme character he needs to play off a "straight man" (obviously not a heterosexual male, but the comedic term). That being said you can't get rid of him and as you say there is more to him than Shamy. For me the timing of the Shamy split was suspect since IMO it would have made more sense at the beginning of S8 and not at the end, and the resolution of it was down right pathetic: nothing changed but Amy took him back. If to that you add the fact that it was written 90 % from Sheldon's POV and 10 % from Amy's you have a badly written arc.

 

[JE7]

@Tensor

I have a question I hope you can answer. Since others may be interested I thought I would ask in a public thread

I was talking with friends who also watch the show and it turns out we have all lost "the excitement" of a new episode we all watch when we have time as opposed to how we used to be camped in front of the TV Thur at 8.

So my question is have the numbers in 3/7 day viewers gone up? If so was there a corresponding  drop in live viewers?

What about over the last three seasons since many think s7 was.the last "good" one.

Since some episodes are pushed as events (Lenny wedding/Shamy coitus/200) is there a season average we can compare?

If you don't have the numbers or the time just say so and I will dig thru the ratings archive I just thought you might have the numbers more easily accessible. Thanks 

[Nogravitasatall]

I feel the premise will remain unchanged - they won't retool the show if it is generally working the way it is. If it tanks in the ratings and stops meeting its costs then maybe they might make changes - but they are just as likely to cut their losses and cash out. They have had an extraordinarily good run.  Note that 10 years in the one job is a long time for the leads - and they now have piles of money. Plus they have residuals etc.

Of course, TPTB may simply keep the various carrots dangling and go on as they are, until they just peter out. I'd say the future past s10 will be answered by the money, rather than the creative opportunities. They can easily wrap up the whole show in one episode. Or even just stop mid-

[JE7]

10 hours ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

It is not about Amy finding a generic perfect boyfriend.  If the only interesting discussion about Tbbt can be about who is having sex (or not having sex) with whom, who made up, who fought, who gets married and who has a baby, then I might as well watch Friends or a million other conventional tv shows.  

Sheldon represents a certain kind of rare genius, perhaps suffering from a disorder,an  outsider who is passionate,  brilliant, aloof, blunt and a person dictated by schedules and regiments and not dictated by  social rules (well, not as much as others) . There is more to the existence of Sheldon than just 'shamy proposal and wedding' or to discuss who can do better.

 Getting rid of a character like Sheldon is detrimental not only because he has been a fan and critic favorite(that's subjective anyway) , but because doing away with such a unique aspergers like character sends a sad and chilling message that conformity , conventional heterosexual romance and external validation from society is the most important thing, above all else like individuality and being different. The fun, geeky stuff, the humor, the passion for science and discovery is what set tbbt apart, and the relationships should be written to match that, not the other way round.

Sorry for the long rant but I feel sometimes viewers miss the entire point about Sheldon and the original premise behind the character.  

That defense and excuse for the behavior of a complete narcissist who has NO empathy for others and sees them only as tools to be used to make his life more comfortable was so full of saccharine I think I may actually be sick.

[3ku11]

I personally beleive the premise was Penny and Sheldon vying for the role of hypotenuse. And Leonard's attention. Post S6 that premise became a tired out format, Because well Penny won :D. Since then they have re written cannon, too many inconsistencies. Story ARchs make no sense, because the lack of cannon in the writing. Not to mention those dream sequences era. The last half of S9 was better. But I feel it is too late. They just tuned out a certain subset of the audience. I agree Shamy break up should of happened from the begginning of s8. By that point it was 90% Sheldons Pov, and Amys 10%. Sheldon is 90% of the relationship, and the show. I just think at this point the show is on air due to revenue, and money. I mean I agree they could easily end the show in one episode. Theirs really no reason creatively speaking for the show to continue. 

Edited June 16, 2016 by 3ku11

[JE7]

For me as a Lenny season 9 was very little better than season 8. They feed us crap for basically the entire season then scrambled to throw us bone in the last 2 eps so we would hopefully come back for more next year. I don't know about anyone else but for me it was to little to late

Edited June 16, 2016 by JE7

[3ku11]

1 minute ago, JE7 said:

For me as a Lenny season 9 was very little better than season 8. They feed us crap for basically the entire season then scrambled to throw us bone in the last 2 eps so we would hopefully come back for more next year. I don't no about anyone else but for me it was to little to late

Well as a Lenny fan I kinda tuned out after 7x24 then 8x24 was the clincher, that was a low blow imo. 

[Tensor]

I'm working on researching several posts right now.  Live +Same Day season averages with highs and lows, and where the show ranked compared to other shows on Broadcast TV.  The same for Live + 3, except I don't have highs and lows as not all Live + 3 was published. The Live + 7 for all of the same as Live + Same Day.   I also have comparisons for the last four years for Live + Same Day and Live + 7 (prior to season six there is no complete set of Live + 7).  And finally, a comparison for each year, compared to the Broadcast Average for the 18-49 demo. 

It's tricky to try to do comparisons between years, due to decreases in audience, increases and decreases in viewers, etc.  However, I can compare the demo ratings for each year, with the Broadcast TV average and get some numbers that can be compared.   Viewer numbers are harder to compare, because I can't find the average viewership, for all of broadcast TV, but there are some interesting things with the number of viewers.  

I've been off and on here over the last couple of weeks due to some things IRL.  Here, I've was getting season 10 set up, and in other internet things, I've been in a particularly productive stretch with my fan fic. I am hoping to post one of those post each day, starting this weekend.  So there may be five days worth of posts.  

Just as a quick note, in viewers in Live + 7 was down 210,000 viewers from the season 7 high, 5.55 vs 5.33 (in millions).  This was was the second highest year and TBBT was the only broadcast show, this year, which increased its average viewers by more than  5 million viewers in Live + 7. 

[JE7]

Thanks Tensor I was curious I know the ratings are not really dropping but I was curious about viewing "patterns" I guess you could say. For example the only episode I watched as it was broadcast in season 9 was the premier all others I watched days or a couple even weeks later. I am just running on habit and hope since like Sheldon I will have to see it to the end no matter how bad it gets lol

[nibbler747]

58 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I personally beleive the premise was Penny and Sheldon vying for the role of hypotenuse. And Leonard's attention.

Hypotenuse?  I don't get it.  Do you mind explaining your analogy?

[3ku11]

9 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

Hypotenuse?  I don't get it.  Do you mind explaining your analogy?

Its pretty self explanatory, so no. Sheldon and Penny vying for Leonard's attention. Not sure why that is confusing you. 

[Tensor]

31 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Thanks Tensor I was curious I know the ratings are not really dropping but I was curious about viewing "patterns" I guess you could say. For example the only episode I watched as it was broadcast in season 9 was the premier all others I watched days or a couple even weeks later. I am just running on habit and hope since like Sheldon I will have to see it to the end no matter how bad it gets lol

In Live + 7, Season 7 was the highpoint averaging over 23 million.  Seasons six, eight, and nine are all a statistical tie, with less than a million viewers difference between them.  As you suspect, some of the viewers have moved to time-shifting.   Season six averaged more than a million more viewers than eight and nine, when it comes to Live + Same Day,  but season six averaged a million less than seasons eight and nine in the Live + 7 increase.  Season 7 was the high point for the show, and it is down from that, but in total viewers, there isn't a statistical difference between season six and seasons eight and nine.  I haven't looked at the demo ratings yet.

[nibbler747]

3 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Its pretty self explanatory, so no. Sheldon and Penny vying for Leonard's attention. Not sure why that is confusing you. 

I still don't get it, but nevermind.  You don't need to be rude.