[Spoilers] Season 9-10 Hiatus Thread

[Tensor]

13 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

Hypotenuse?  I don't get it.  Do you mind explaining your analogy?

I don't get it either, as the sides that attach to the ends of the hypotenuse, are also attached to each other.  A better analogy would be Leonard is the rope between Sheldon and Penny in a tug-of-war.  And we know Penny is more brawny than Sheldon, which is why she won.  

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

And we know Penny is more brawny than Sheldon, which is why she won.  

That is why. Right. 

[3ku11]

You know talking about someones post indirectly, is like gossiping about someone behind their back, just saying. I stand by my analogy. Because Sheldon and Penny were vying for the role of Hyptenuse. Both Penny and Sheldon were vying for Leonard attention from both sides. of the triangle. Which is 3, so therefore 1. I Get the tug of war analogy. But I still stand by mine. 

[JE7]

What was said was said in the open forum for all to see so I am not sure how that qualifies as behind the back and you have made similar comments about others posts as well so.... rocks and glass houses ring a bell

[joyceraye]

It's the longest side of a right-angled triangle and forms the diameter of a circle. A good analogy. Leonard is important to both of them. He is one side of the triangle, the other two compete for which one is to be the other short side or the longest one.

[3ku11]

1 hour ago, JE7 said:

What was said was said in the open forum for all to see so I am not sure how that qualifies as behind the back and you have made similar comments about others posts as well so.... rocks and glass houses ring a bell

Thats bs I am sorry. When you quote someone about a comment someone else made, that is indirect. It is like liking someones comment when they make a dig at someone else. It is sneaky and underhanded. Got a problem with someones post, I Don't care if its an open forum. Quote the person who amde the person orignally. And yes I have made comments about similar posts. But I have quoted them directly. But I don't go OH I don't get it either man, that persons an idiot. Theirs a line. 

26 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

It's the longest side of a right-angled triangle and forms the diameter of a circle. A good analogy. Leonard is important to both of them. He is one side of the triangle, the other two compete for which one is to be the other short side or the longest one.

Exactly my analogy haha. 

[JE7]

First if it has to be explained it isn't a good analogy 

Second no one called you an idiot, you simply don't take criticism well you should work on that

[Stephen Hawking]

4 hours ago, djsurrey said:

That is why. Right. 

Of course, it has nothing to do with sex with Penny being "pretty great", which Penny knows to be true, because, as she confifmed to Leonard, she's tried it, and Leonard is not wrong.  

[nibbler747]

4 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Thats bs I am sorry. When you quote someone about a comment someone else made, that is indirect. It is like liking someones comment when they make a dig at someone else. It is sneaky and underhanded. Got a problem with someones post, I Don't care if its an open forum. Quote the person who amde the person orignally. And yes I have made comments about similar posts. But I have quoted them directly. But I don't go OH I don't get it either man, that persons an idiot. Theirs a line. 

Exactly my analogy haha. 

Nobody called you an idiot except yourself.  He only said he doesn't get it either.  One reason being, you never bothered to explain it yourself when I asked you directly.  I just got a snide condescending remark that it was obvious.

I was merely trying to understand your analogy because it doesn't make sense to me.  And yes, I do understand how a right triangle works.  To me the hypotenuse is in a sense the addition of the other two sides.  Using that logic, then their child would be the hypotenuse because it's a combination of them both and  has a tie to both  sides which are already bonded to each other.

if you were going for the fact that Leonard is a common tie between them, then using a triangle where all three sides touch anyways didn't make sense to me.  That is where I was coming from.

[Jonny]

They are all friends and are all very close, as much as some would like ties to be severed between particular characters it's not going to happen. You don't normally ditch the people you love.

[nibbler747]

11 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

They are all friends and are all very close, as much as some would like ties to be severed between particular characters it's not going to happen. You don't normally ditch the people you love.

I love the friendship between the three on the show, and enjoy episodes that highlight that friendship.  I did really enjoy Troll Manifestation because we got to see Leonard and Sheldon  being friends and supporting each other.

[serena_1995]

11 hours ago, JE7 said:

That defense and excuse for the behavior of a complete narcissist who has NO empathy for others and sees them only as tools to be used to make his life more comfortable was so full of saccharine I think I may actually be sick.

Sheldon's narcissism and all perceived faults  is not the reason I'm defending. I'm defending him because he is different. Plain and simple. Not 'saccharine'.  You  can watch dragged out romantic plots and 'nice' people on a million other shows, but you still wouldnt find a character like Sheldon on most  shows. He still represents absurdity and uniqueness  in a sea of people desperately vying for social acceptance and confirmity.

If the goal is to watch a show for sex, proposals, weddings and stereotypically gendered couples, why watch a show about 4 brilliant Caltech scientists and engineers ?

It is sending a sad and chilling message that everyone should be brow beaten to accept external validation,  to what you consider a standard- social acceptance,  conformity and anything out of the norm is to be rid off.That is what I'm against.

All relationships on the show are based on a combination of incest jokes,  mom issues, alcoholism,  lying, cheating, lack of communication, giving up your core values for sex  or distrust. Not sure how that is something to strive for. 

Edited June 16, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[hokie3457]

28 minutes ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

Sheldon's narcissism and all perceived faults  is not the reason I'm defending. I'm defending him because he is different. Plain and simple. Not 'saccharine'.  You  can watch dragged out romantic plots and 'nice' people on a million other shows, but you still wouldnt find a character like Sheldon on most  shows. He still represents absurdity and uniqueness  in a sea of people desperately vying for social acceptance and confirmity.

If the goal is to watch a show for sex, proposals, weddings and stereotypically gendered couples, why watch a show about 4 brilliant Caltech scientists and engineers ?

It is sending a sad and chilling message that everyone should be brow beaten to accept external validation,  to what you consider a standard- social acceptance,  conformity and anything out of the norm is to be rid off.That is what I'm against.

Infact most people seem to want Sheldon to be the part of same watered down , 'nice', heterosexual romantic ideal at the expense of everything- his original personality, humor and intellect. All relationships on the show are based on a combination of incest jokes,  mom issues, alcoholism,  lying, cheating, lack of communication, giving up your core values for sex  or distrust. Not sure how that is something to strive for. 

I need to preface my post with the fact that I don't like Sheldon.  I don't like the way he treats his friends, mainly Leonard and his "sluttification" of Penny. I don't like his self-glorification at the deriding of all those around him.  These are my own opinions.  Now that aside, his is a unique character.  Taken a little at a time, he can be enjoyable. The fact that the character has become the breakout star and is viewed with fascination by a majority of viewers has come as a detriment to that unique character.  That he needs to be inserted in a sometimes unecessary way detracts from the uniqueness and my, at least, enjoyment of the show.  That there is a view that he needs to be "normalized" to be made to fit into a round hole while he is a square peg also detracts from his uniqueness.  However, at this point those cards are delt and are those to be played....

[joyceraye]

20 minutes ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

Sheldon's narcissism and all perceived faults  is not the reason I'm defending. I'm defending him because he is different. Plain and simple. Not 'saccharine'.  You  can watch dragged out romantic plots and 'nice' people on a million other shows, but you still wouldnt find a character like Sheldon on most  shows. He still represents absurdity and uniqueness  in a sea of people desperately vying for social acceptance and confirmity.

If the goal is to watch a show for sex, proposals, weddings and stereotypically gendered couples, why watch a show about 4 brilliant Caltech scientists and engineers ?

 

Because even in real life brilliant scientists and engineers want homes and wives or husbands as much as anybody else. This necessitates a few years taken up with courtship, engagements,  weddings, and starting  families. It's going to happen at some time or other in their lives and the nature of such personalities suggests comic incidents at all stages. In a TV programme we don't expect to see four young bachelors continue in the single lifestyle for ten years, it would be suspending disbelief too far.

In TBBT we've been given characters all of a similar age to one another so it's going to happen to all of them more or less at once. I like to see both what they're getting up to in their work and how their relationships pan out. I love scenes in their laboratories and offices, even when they're venues for courting or being ridiculous as well as for things going whirr, screech, bang.

[serena_1995]

38 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

I need to preface my post with the fact that I don't like Sheldon.  I don't like the way he treats his friends, mainly Leonard and his "sluttification" of Penny. I don't like his self-glorification at the deriding of all those around him.  These are my own opinions.  Now that aside, his is a unique character.  Taken a little at a time, he can be enjoyable. The fact that the character has become the breakout star and is viewed with fascination by a majority of viewers has come as a detriment to that unique character.  That he needs to be inserted in a sometimes unecessary way detracts from the uniqueness and my, at least, enjoyment of the show.  That there is a view that he needs to be "normalized" to be made to fit into a round hole while he is a square peg also detracts from his uniqueness.  However, at this point those cards are delt and are those to be played....

Well if he wasn't a self aggrandizing dick he wouldn't be Sheldon lol. Thats how he is since the pilot. And I should also preface by saying that I happen to like watching abrasive characters like him or Leslie Winkle. I was merely stating , why wanting to get rid of Sheldon from the show altogether simply because he is not fitting into the  'nice' boyfriend  stereotype, is a depressing message for individuality and uniqueness. Not saying he is a saint by any means.

[hokie3457]

2 minutes ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

Well if he wasn't a self aggrandizing dick he wouldn't be Sheldon lol. Thats how he is since the pilot. And I should also preface by saying that I happen to like watching abrasive characters like him or Leslie Winkle. I was merely stating , why wanting to get rid of Sheldon from the show altogether simply because he is not fitting into the  'nice' boyfriend  stereotype, is a depressing message for individuality and uniqueness. Not saying he is a saint by any means.

Yes. I agree.  My point is that even though I do not care for him, his abrasive personality adds to the entire atmosphere of TBBT.  The attempt to "nomalize" him as much as they are is a bit of a detraction.....

[Jonny]

3 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Yes. I agree.  My point is that even though I do not care for him, his abrasive personality adds to the entire atmosphere of TBBT.  The attempt to "nomalize" him as much as they are is a bit of a detraction.....

We know barely anything about the inner workings of his mind but I take the view that Sheldon clearly has needs or desires and wants to them experience them, if he didn't then he simply wouldn't. Are they trying to normalize him in a way? Possibly though I don't think it's forced, he wants to be be normal in some aspects, he's said it enough especially to Penny.

He can be a bastard but he has much more heart than some people realize.

[hokie3457]

9 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

We know barely anything about the inner workings of his mind but I take the view that Sheldon clearly has needs or desires and wants to them experience them, if he didn't then he simply wouldn't. Are they trying to normalize him in a way? Possibly though I don't think it's forced, he wants to be be normal in some aspects, he's said it enough especially to Penny.

He can be a bastard but he has much more heart than some people realize.

He has plenty of heart.  One of the saddest things for me (and it's Sheldon related!) was the complete dejection he experienced during "Bakersfield".  He was completely defeated and vulnerable in a way that he had never been before, or since (and yes, that includes his break-up with Amy)....

The thing is I understand him and can even commiserate with him on occasion.  I just don't like him.....

Edited June 16, 2016 by hokie3457
additions....

[Jonny]

11 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

 I just don't like him.....

Fair enough, I don't particularly like some of the characters myself.

Repeat viewing on television has actually put me off one character in particular and changed my opinion of him a lot recently (and it's not Raj, I've already gone on record I don't like what is doing right now). But I still wouldn't want him to leave the show or his character to suffer as some want their least liked character to.

Not saying that you in particular think that way Hokie, I just think there is a real venomous at times hatred of some of the characters on here that I just don't get.

Edited June 16, 2016 by Jonny83

[hokie3457]

11 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

Fair enough, I don't particularly like some of the characters myself.

Repeat viewing on television has actually put me off one character in particular and changed my opinion of him a lot recently (and it's not Raj, I've already gone on record I don't like what is doing right now). But I still wouldn't want him to leave the show or his character to suffer as some want their least liked character to.

Not saying that you in particular think that way Hokie, I just think there is a real venomous at times hatred of some of the characters on here that I just don't get.

I accept my guilt regarding my feelings toward the Sheldon character.  Not quite venomous; not looking for him to leave or have any harm done to him.  My opinion is completely due to my feeling and enjoyment for and of Leonard and Penny.

[Tonstar17]

I accept my guilt regarding my feelings toward the Sheldon character.  Not quite venomous; not looking for him to leave or have any harm done to him.  My opinion is completely due to my feeling and enjoyment for and of Leonard and Penny.

Well i don't like the Sheldon character too, in fact i can stand him and don't find him funny, just annoying but i wouldn't want any harm to come to him or for him to leave, but if he leaves it wouldn't bother me.

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[JE7]

4 hours ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

 

Not sure if that is hokum or just jibber-jabber.

2 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

I just think there is a real venomous at times hatred of some of the characters on here that I just don't get.

Evil will allways win because good is dumb - dark helmet 

The problem with Sheldon is he never really has to pay a price for his behavior he is cruel, petty, vindictive etc... and gets away with it with no real consequences. He rarely faces any punishment for his constant abuse if others after a while watching the bad guy win gets very old. It also sends a horrible message.

Edited June 16, 2016 by JE7

[tallin]

1 hour ago, JE7 said:

Not sure if that is hokum or just jibber-jabber.

Evil will allways win because good is dumb - dark helmet 

The problem with Sheldon is he never really has to pay a price for his behavior he is cruel, petty, vindictive etc... and gets away with it with no real consequences. He rarely faces any punishment for his constant abuse if others after a while watching the bad guy win gets very old. It also sends a horrible message.

Wow looks like we watch two entirely different shows. I can't even roll my eyes any more, seeing shows everyday lesson of - Sheldon, learning his way to turn into real warm, lovable and finally  - true appropriate socially accepted fellow.  These writers are playing that one again...and again...and again. 

And again.

[JE7]

We probably do lol

Anything and everything is seen thru the lens of out experience, attitudes and personal morality. It is not only possible but common for two very different people to watch a show and see entirely different things because we are entirely diffrent people.

"Social convention" is simply a common set of generally agreed open rules we use to promote harmony so we can get along without constant conflict. Not everyone agrees with or likes these rules but we all know that violating them will have negative repercussion's some large some small depending on the violation.

in early seasons the Sheldon dosent know better reasoning worked because we believed it to be true.

After nine years of being told by his friends what is unacceptable and seeing their reactions to things he does that is no longer believable. I just can't make myself buy it now. That leaves me with the conclusion that IF he dosent know better by now it's because he simply dosent want to. After nine years I can only conclude that he simply dosent care and not in a mehhh who cares way but in a f**k you you don't matter kinda of way

It is of course the fault of the writers and TPTB because he is only a charecter on a TV show he is not an actual person. But the point still stands

 

Edited June 16, 2016 by JE7

[Nogravitasatall]

11 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Because even in real life brilliant scientists and engineers want homes and wives or husbands as much as anybody else. This necessitates a few years taken up with courtship, engagements,  weddings, and starting  families. It's going to happen at some time or other in their lives and the nature of such personalities suggests comic incidents at all stages. In a TV programme we don't expect to see four young bachelors continue in the single lifestyle for ten years, it would be suspending disbelief too far.

In TBBT we've been given characters all of a similar age to one another so it's going to happen to all of them more or less at once. I like to see both what they're getting up to in their work and how their relationships pan out. I love scenes in their laboratories and offices, even when they're venues for courting or being ridiculous as well as for things going whirr, screech, bang.

This is not always the case. It would have been interesting if the show had stuck to its earlier vision of Sheldon. Maybe not as popular, but not everyone finds or wants "the key for their lock" - to paraphrase. He wasn't originally a candidate. The eligibility was grafted on to sustain the run to 10 seasons. And it worked.

#stillnotconvinced

hehe.