[Spoilers] Season 9-10 Hiatus Thread

[djsurrey]

I think it has got to happen if the show is to continue.  Now let go of the pencil...

Somehow I think the writers will wait until they feel there is no alternative. It is hard to let go...

 

Edited June 20, 2016 by djsurrey

[Kathy2611]

The thing is, I think they KNOW they have to change the living arrangements because even the "casual" viewers are starting to grumble about it and tptb have acknowledged it in the show.  Molaro stated they weren't changing the living arrangements anytime soon but right there, THAT tells me it's going to go down as usual.  He says something's not going to happen and then BAM, it does.  

[Tonstar17]

The thing is, I think they KNOW they have to change the living arrangements because even the "casual" viewers are starting to grumble about it and tptb have acknowledged it in the show.  Molaro stated they weren't changing the living arrangements anytime soon but right there, THAT tells me it's going to go down as usual.  He says something's not going to happen and then BAM, it does.  

But thats the thing even if TPTB change their minds and move lenny into 4b it still doesn't change the premises of the show. I feel tptb will still try and keep the three is a company for as long as possible.

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[joyceraye]

9 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

So, maybe they move somewhere completely different.

You could be right. 4b is too small permanently for a couple without the use of 4a. Leonard will not want to live out of boxes indefinitely.  I can see them getting their own house and finding Shamy have the same idea and they end up as neighbours. We recognise the furniture on the sets so as not to disturb us too much. Gang nights can be at Howardette's house.

[Tensor]

 

5 hours ago, April said:

I know! And it's so bizarre to me. Like, there's literally no reason for it. They are able to write great character development (YMMV, I know I know) and they've dealt with a lot more complicated issues than Lenny moving into 4B. If you look at S9 there are very few episodes that would be affected if Lenny moved out at some point after, say, 9x12 as a result of the therapy session, for example. The only story that relied on the living arrangements was 9x21 and that was pretty damn terrible all things considered. ugh

I mean, I could understand them better if we'd had a string of amazingly funny episodes that relied on Lenny and Sheldon living in 4A but I don't see that happening either - so I'm more than ready for them to move on and exploit the new living arrangements for funny situations.

There are no episodes in season nine that couldn't have been the same, with minor rewrites.  I've been pushing that since a bit over halfway though the season, even 9.21.  Make it an argument about Leonard refusing to take Sheldon to the train store,  like he promised when Lenny moved to 4B.  Have Penny support Sheldon,  and you end up with the same scenario.    Sheldon going into the bathroom while Penny is taking a shower in 9.13?  Have him break into 4B and talk to her in the bathroom there.  He's broken into 4B before, so why not there?  The others are even more minor.

They're worried about changing the DNA of the show?   I seem to remember Sheldon have no interest in a girlfriend, Howard the sleezeball, without a girlfriend, and Raj not being able to talk with women around unless drunk.  Let's see, Sheldon with a girlfriend, season 5;  Howard being the first one ENGAGED, leading to his getting married, started in season 4, Raj can talk to women, season 6.  They started changing the DNA five or six seasons ago.  Hell, they changed the DNA when Leonard and Penny got married also.   What are they so worried about, that they've hired such poor writers that TPTB don't think they can handle the change in DNA?   Or, maybe those cut rate writers TPTB seem to think they have won't be able to write funny scenes for the new living arrangements.  It's bizarre to me also.  

[Jonny]

It would be hard for them to get the decision spectacularly wrong to the point that it puts people off the show, I guess the only way it would is if they made the asinine decision for them to live separate lives entirely and vastly reduce the amount of interactions but that is never going to happen and nor should it.

I personally think they can move Lenny into 4B and it would change pretty much nothing scene wise. You might get a few more Lenny in their house bedroom scenes, perhaps some meals between them in 4B scenes but the majority of scenes could still be in 4A. Leonard would still work with Sheldon in 4A on their scientific projects, the gang would still hang around 4A, they would still play games and watch television together. Morning scenes wouldn't be a problem as they could just meet up, Sheldon could go over there etc.

The writers could solve it and make it work easily.

[BigBang15]

On 6/14/2016 at 0:40 AM, 3ku11 said:

Amy can do better *Hides*

It is most likely BS. But hypothetically could BBT do the show without Johnny and KAley? Short Answer hell no. SAy what you want about other characters. But Leonard and Penny are the entire premise. And unless Both Johnny and Kaley are suddenly sick of the show. Based on what they have said, I doubt it. So yeah bullshit, I Would be shocked. I mean if Leonard and Penny do leave in S10. I could see it like That 70's show, where they try to do the show without two of their main characters Eric and Kelso. OF course Sheldon woulden't be funny at all without LEnny. It would be like Two and a half men without Charlie Sheen. 

What would be a little funny is if Lenny do move into 4B, Sheldon starts interviewing "replacements" for Leonard (most offscreen) and the last one is Ashton Kutcher.

Edited June 20, 2016 by BigBang15
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[Tensor]

49 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

What would be a little funny is if Lenny do move into 4B, Sheldon starts interviewing "replacements" for Leonard (most offscreen) and the last one is Ashton Kutcher.

Actually, Jon Cryer would be a better fit, after Ashton kicked him out of the house.  But why not?  Lorre brought in Jenna Elfman and Thomas Gibson (Dharma and Gregg, an old show of Lorre's) in to look at buying the house on TAAHM.

[BigBang15]

46 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Actually, Jon Cryer would be a better fit, after Ashton kicked him out of the house.  But why not?  Lorre brought in Jenna Elfman and Thomas Gibson (Dharma and Gregg, an old show of Lorre's) in to look at buying the house on TAAHM.

Not necessarily as his TAAHM character. Maybe some new professor responding to a posting at the University for a room. I mean he was a bio-mechanical engineering student before he got into acting

[SRAM]

I don't think the problem is so much moving Leonard and Penny to 4B as it is leaving Sheldon alone in 4A.  I don't think they are ready to deal with Amy moving in and if you move her in she becomes a main character.  So who do you put in with Sheldon and not make them now a main character?  Simple answer is to keep Leonard and Penny there.

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, SRAM said:

I don't think the problem is so much moving Leonard and Penny to 4B as it is leaving Sheldon alone in 4A.  I don't think they are ready to deal with Amy moving in and if you move her in she becomes a main character.  So who do you put in with Sheldon and not make them now a main character?  Simple answer is to keep Leonard and Penny there.

I certainly wouldn't rule out that thinking, but I think they could come up with ways to reduce her potential screen-time if that indeed was a concern. Amy working in her lab late at night, or gone into work early for example. It's not like Leonard/Penny/Sheldon were in every scene in 4A together, there were times when there was one or more of them not there.

Edited June 20, 2016 by Jonny83

[Tonstar17]

I certainly wouldn't rule out that thinking, but I think they could come up with ways to reduce her potential screen-time if that indeed was a concern. Amy working in her lab late at night, or gone into work early for example. It's not like Leonard/Penny/Sheldon were in every scene in 4A together, there were times when there was one or more of them not there.

But you are missing the point. Amy is not a main character and tptb will not change that. It has always been the main 3 on the the main set and they are in no rush to change that. Amy moves into 4a she becomes a main character. Have you considered how Melissa, Simon and Kunal will feel about that and the tensions on set as they have been on the show longer than mayim. I'm sure tptb have thought about that.

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[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, SRAM said:

I don't think the problem is so much moving Leonard and Penny to 4B as it is leaving Sheldon alone in 4A.  I don't think they are ready to deal with Amy moving in and if you move her in she becomes a main character.  So who do you put in with Sheldon and not make them now a main character?  Simple answer is to keep Leonard and Penny there.

But when he was interviewing potential room mates in the '2003' episode after Leonard had decided to move into 4B, Sheldon offered the vacancy to Amy. She turned him down. I wouldn't like to guess what he'd do next time. We know in the past Amy has wanted Leonard's room.

[Kathy2611]

7 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

But you are missing the point. Amy is not a main character and tptb will not change that. It has always been the main 3 on the the main set and they are in no rush to change that. Amy moves into 4a she becomes a main character. Have you considered how Melissa, Simon and Kunal will feel about that and the tensions on set as they have been on the show longer than mayim. I'm sure tptb have thought about that.

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What is your problem with this??  Amy is not and never will be a "main" character BUT as the girlfriend of one of the main characters, her importane to the show has ALREADY passed Howardette and Raj.  If they got rid of Raj, it wouldn't be a big deal for the show right now.  But try getting rid of Amy.  There'd be a huge outcry because of Shamy's popularity.    

[Denise07]

Yeah, I would like Lenny to move in.  I still don't think that has to mean Shamy jumps to this.

Sheldon could try to live on his own

Take in Raj or Stuart

Have a dream list of guest stars that try to be his roommate that of course never work out

Maybe that eventually leads to him trying to live with Amy

That also being said, I get the sense that tptb are happy, content with things as the way they are.  I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibilities that somewhere over the hiatus that they have the idea to really shake things up.  Not that I think is the risk tptb seem to think it is.  I do really think the problem is how to deal with Sheldon if Lenny take this step, JMO.

[Tonstar17]

What is your problem with this??  Amy is not and never will be a "main" character BUT as the girlfriend of one of the main characters, her importane to the show has ALREADY passed Howardette and Raj.  If they got rid of Raj, it wouldn't be a big deal for the show right now.  But try getting rid of Amy.  There'd be a huge outcry because of Shamy's popularity.    

If you have been watching the show from the beginning you will have noticed tptb pattern. They are not going to change that just because Amy is Sheldon girlfriend. Yes shamys is popular but tptb will not change the dynamics of the show to please shamy fans. Its not the Shamy show and there are many fans of the show who watch for other reasons than relationships and tptb knows that. So no i have no problem. I just see it as it is. I don't like the living arrangements but like i said i can't see it changing anytime soon

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[SRAM]

10 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

What is your problem with this??  Amy is not and never will be a "main" character BUT as the girlfriend of one of the main characters, her importane to the show has ALREADY passed Howardette and Raj.  If they got rid of Raj, it wouldn't be a big deal for the show right now.  But try getting rid of Amy.  There'd be a huge outcry because of Shamy's popularity.    

I think the main character thing is very important here.  Who ever moves in will be there in the morning with Sheldon, sleep in the other room or with Sheldon.  Sit in the living room with Sheldon to talk.  Think about all the in apartment interaction there is and has been between Sheldon and Leonard and how most of Penny's interaction with Sheldon is in 4A.  So whoever moves in with him will become, by default, a main character.  

Also, so what happens to Leonard and Penny now, do you think the actors or their agents will be happy that they get regulated to second level characters?  Not going to happen, that would guarantee no season 11.

  I think the only possible way it works is Amy becomes his roommate and a main character and then the four of them bounce around the two apartments like Friends did.  Mayim and Melissa are going to get big pay raises, if the show goes on, anyway.

[April]

I can only repeat myself and say that the assumption that living in 4A somehow boosts Amy's status in the show and turns her from a supporting to a main character is completely unfounded. It's about how they'll write the stories and not where the character lives. Just as many episodes could have easily been written with Lenny living in 4B as it would have little to no consequences on the stories we have gotten, likewise, if hypothetically Amy would have moved into 4A after 9x11 the stories would have been pretty much the same with minimal rewrites.

And the main reason is that Amy already has a pretty big role as she is tied not only to Sheldon as his girlfriend but also to Penny as her "bestie". If she isn't involved in a big Shamy plot she's getting plenty of screen time hanging out with the girls or the whole gang. And during all of that she is spending many of her scenes in 4A anyway.

That isn't to say that I don't think the writers may be struggling with those exact fears that having Amy move in will change her status but IMHO 1) there's no need to fear that if they simply keep going the way they do cause it's not like the current living arrangement have a big impact anyway, and 2) I think the true answer is really about them being so damn hesitant about the next big Shamy step because they always are. (ughhh) My worry is that this is why Lenny have to stay for the time being cause when they move out there's no reason why Amy shouldn't move in cause in 9x04 Sheldon already tried to find a new room mate and failed, and most importantly he ended up asking Amy to move in with him. So when things are starting to gain momentum in terms of living arrangements I think it's inevitable that Amy will be part of that in some form.

Edited June 20, 2016 by April

[Kathy2611]

16 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

 

 

If you have been watching the show from the beginning you will have noticed tptb pattern. They are not going to change that just because Amy is Sheldon girlfriend. Yes shamys is popular but tptb will not change the dynamics of the show to please shamy fans. Its not the Shamy show and there are many fans of the show who watch for other reasons than relationships and tptb knows that. So no i have no problem. I just see it as it is. I don't like the living arrangements but like i said i can't see it changing anytime soon

 

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Yes, I've seen every single episode multiple times from the beginning.  They already have changed it.  They tested multiple females (Lolida Gupta, Martha, Ramona, etc.) to see how people would react to Sheldon having a girlfriend.  From my understanding, Amy was only supposed to be temporary to "test the waters" but she blew EVERYONE away and became very popular.      

You're right....tptb won't change the dynamics of the show to please the Shamy fans but they will change it to please the general fans and NOW that Lenny are MARRIED they can't have them STILL living with Sheldon for too much longer, especially now that the reason for continuing to do so no longer exist (Sheldon getting over his break up with Amy).  Having a third person involved in a marriage is NEVER a good thing and the general audience have started complaining about the living arrangements.  Hell, tptb even know they have to change it and soon.  They acknowledge it in various scenes during season 9.  It's going to happen.  And yes, eventually, Amy will be living with Sheldon at some point.  It's just a matter of time (and the writers growing some balls and stop being wimps).

[joyceraye]

27 minutes ago, Denise07 said:

Yeah, I would like Lenny to move in.  I still don't think that has to mean Shamy jumps to this.

Sheldon could try to live on his own

Take in Raj or Stuart

Have a dream list of guest stars that try to be his roommate that of course never work out

Maybe that eventually leads to him trying to live with Amy

That also being said, I get the sense that tptb are happy, content with things as the way they are.  I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibilities that somewhere over the hiatus that they have the idea to really shake things up.  Not that I think is the risk tptb seem to think it is.  I do really think the problem is how to deal with Sheldon if Lenny take this step, JMO.

If Lenny move out, what is Amy going to think if Sheldon starts looking for another room mate ?

Will it send a message to her that he's not moving from his apartment anytime soon ? Will she start re-evaluating her own position again ?

[hokie3457]

To me, the obvious answer is (and I'm ready to duck, as this will NOT be popular with many) to have Sheldon move.  Either into 4B (more preferable) or move in with Amy (not likely).  Leonard and Penny are a married couple.  The larger 4A apartment would be more comfortable and (to me) it makes more sense for them to live there and have Sheldon across the hall.

Will this ever happen?  I doubt it.  But to me this is the best solution and one that makes the most amount of sense.

Have at me!!

[veejay]

10 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

To me, the obvious answer is (and I'm ready to duck, as this will NOT be popular with many) to have Sheldon move.  Either into 4B (more preferable) or move in with Amy (not likely).  Leonard and Penny are a married couple.  The larger 4A apartment would be more comfortable and (to me) it makes more sense for them to live there and have Sheldon across the hall.

Will this ever happen?  I doubt it.  But to me this is the best solution and one that makes the most amount of sense.

Have at me!!

Thumbs up! 

Edited June 20, 2016 by veejay

[mirs1]

7 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

If Lenny move out, what is Amy going to think if Sheldon starts looking for another room mate ?

Will it send a message to her that he's not moving from his apartment anytime soon ? Will she start re-evaluating her own position again ?

I think that is a big problem, and maybe one of the reasons why the writers are taking Lenny in 4A. If Lenny move in 4B, Sheldon gets the biggest apartment by himself and hence has to find a roommate. But adding another recurring character in an already filled show could be tricky. Guest stars have their costs and how many times you can have a plot about Sheldon making a possible roommate go crazy? Amy has to move in eventually. I think an intermediate solution might be that Leonard keeps his old room as a sort of storage for his memorabilia, since 4B is a tiny apartment, and for some time Sheldon lives by himself. But everything for me will lead to Amy and Sheldon in 4A at some point.

[Swedish Chef]

29 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

To me, the obvious answer is (and I'm ready to duck, as this will NOT be popular with many) to have Sheldon move.  Either into 4B (more preferable) or move in with Amy (not likely).  Leonard and Penny are a married couple.  The larger 4A apartment would be more comfortable and (to me) it makes more sense for them to live there and have Sheldon across the hall.

Will this ever happen?  I doubt it.  But to me this is the best solution and one that makes the most amount of sense.

Have at me!!

A great idea, but highly unlikely. 

[Stephen Hawking]

14 hours ago, Tensor said:

and Raj not being able to talk with women around unless drunk.

If you remember, originally Raj couldn't talk to women at all.