[Spoilers] Season 9-10 Hiatus Thread

[nibbler747]

Why is it such a deal breaker to have Amy as one of the main characters.  It only alter's their original premise slightly, and it's not like she's a new character.  She's been on the show for many seasons now.  I think of them as an ensemble cast, so I don't really see the "Big 3" being more important than the rest of the cast.

[Tonstar17]

Why is it such a deal breaker to have Amy as one of the main characters.  It only alter's their original premise slightly, and it's not like she's a new character.  She's been on the show for many seasons now.  I think of them as an ensemble cast, so I don't really see the "Big 3" being more important than the rest of the cast.

1 million an episode for the main 3 makes it a big deal.

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[joyceraye]

38 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I think that is a big problem, and maybe one of the reasons why the writers are taking Lenny in 4A. If Lenny move in 4B, Sheldon gets the biggest apartment by himself and hence has to find a roommate. But adding another recurring character in an already filled show could be tricky. Guest stars have their costs and how many times you can have a plot about Sheldon making a possible roommate go crazy? Amy has to move in eventually. I think an intermediate solution might be that Leonard keeps his old room as a sort of storage for his memorabilia, since 4B is a tiny apartment, and for some time Sheldon lives by himself. But everything for me will lead to Amy and Sheldon in 4A at some point.

I'm also wondering what the reaction of a prospective room mate would be to Amy et al.

He's heard of a prospective flat-share, goes for an interview and then discovers there's a girlfriend wandering in and out of his potential home as if she owns the place. So he'll want to know what's going to happen if this pair get married or cohabit : will it mean he has to put up with another person living in the apartment, or will Sheldon move out, taking with him the furniture and appliances, and leaving him in the position of looking for a room mate ?  If he asks and is told they have no firm plans he'll feel he's in an uncertain position so he's promised an agreement ... then he discovers another half dozen or so of their pals descend at intervals to eat, watch TV, and play daft games.

[hokie3457]

13 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

I'm also wondering what the reaction of a prospective room mate would be to Amy et al.

He's heard of a prospective flat-share, goes for an interview and then discovers there's a girlfriend wandering in and out of his potential home as if she owns the place. So he'll want to know what's going to happen if this pair get married or cohabit : will it mean he has to put up with another person living in the apartment, or will Sheldon move out, taking with him the furniture and appliances, and leaving him in the position of looking for a room mate ?  If he asks and is told they have no firm plans he'll feel he's in an uncertain position so he's promised an agreement ... then he discovers another half dozen or so of their pals descend at intervals to eat, watch TV, and play daft games.

Great points all!

[JE7]

50 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

Why is it such a deal breaker to have Amy as one of the main characters.  It only alter's their original premise slightly, and it's not like she's a new character.  She's been on the show for many seasons now.  I think of them as an ensemble cast, so I don't really see the "Big 3" being more important than the rest of the cast.

If your going to promote a charecter then it should be Howard he is funny and can carry a story in his own, no offense but Amy has every only been an accessory to Sheldon and sometimes Penny. She simply isn't able to carry her own story line and really has never been importent to the show in her own right, just in her ability to playoff the mains.

Just because she is Sheldon's gf isn't reason enough to "promote" her.  Amy, Bernadette and unfortunately Raj are all secondary charecters who play off others 

47 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

1 million an episode for the main 3 makes it a big deal.

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For the original 5 as if s10 although as I have said Raj has never risen to the level of the other 4 and has pretty much drags down the show now, his screen time could be better spent on other stories 

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[tallin]

2 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

To me, the obvious answer is (and I'm ready to duck, as this will NOT be popular with many) to have Sheldon move.  Either into 4B (more preferable) or move in with Amy (not likely).  Leonard and Penny are a married couple.  The larger 4A apartment would be more comfortable and (to me) it makes more sense for them to live there and have Sheldon across the hall.

Will this ever happen?  I doubt it.  But to me this is the best solution and one that makes the most amount of sense.

Have at me!!

To be honest in your scenario I don't see many opportunities for comedy or growth of the show. Especially the comedy. And a promise of something really brand new, unusual - exciting opportunities to look forward to. It would make me worried writers will once again came to their "we have no idea how to write Lenny as a normal, happy couple," and go the drama path or the "we're so scared to change a thing we half-change it and hope we can somehow, find something new to write about." After nine years, I'd like to see a step forward to the new opportunities, not a step back which this seems like to me. TBBT's comedy needs a serious kick these days, IMO, not a tickle. I hope my post didn't came out as offensive - not my intention 

[Carlos]

On ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 3:13 PM, Stephen Hawking said:

Would we honestly still be watching, if everyone else had a SO, and Sheldon was still on his own?

Raj and Stewart don't have SO, so not everybody does...

On ‎6‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 4:05 PM, Kathy2611 said:

That won't happen only because 4a and 4b (along with the hall way) are one big set.  And they "need" (or so they think) to keep the big 3 together in some way.  When they grow some balls and stop being pussies, they'll move Lenny into 4b and Amy into 4a with Sheldon.

At this stage the writers have pooped so much over believable living arrangements for so long that I honestly don't care either way, but if Lenny moves into 4B, that doesn't automatically mean that Amy will move into 4 A. The decision would be from both them, and I'm not too sure that Sheldon would want Amy to live with him. 

On ‎6‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 5:36 PM, April said:

It's always a question of what stories they write. They can easily have the usual mix of stories with a major part for Amy and stories with a minor part for her. And I don't see her living in 4A having such a huge impact at all. Lenny and Sheldon are not hanging out at 4A all the time either. Sometimes it's Sheldon alone with some other character, sometimes it's Lenny alone, sometimes it's even Leonard or Penny with some of the other characters.

OK. So if, according to you that's the case, why don't they move Lenny to 4B which makes a lot more sense than the ridiculous living arrangements they have now?

[djsurrey]

4 hours ago, tallin said:

"we have no idea how to write Lenny as a normal, happy couple,"

I'm guessing it is more like "we have no interest to write about a normal couple".

Normal is not their thing! Everything has to be a little backwards and upside down.

Also, I'm guessing Chuck Lorre does not want to do a Dharma & Greg redo (which ran for only 5 years).

They could have gone for...

but gave us you-know-who instead.

 

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[Carlos]

7 hours ago, joyceraye said:

If Lenny move out, what is Amy going to think if Sheldon starts looking for another room mate ?

Will it send a message to her that he's not moving from his apartment anytime soon ? Will she start re-evaluating her own position again ?

If she hasn't already re-evaluated her own position with everything that Sheldon has put her through, and she hasn't re-evaluated her own position with the total romantic indifference Sheldon has shown her after the coitus episode, then I don't think that anything will make her re-evaluate any time soon.

5 hours ago, nibbler747 said:

Why is it such a deal breaker to have Amy as one of the main characters.  It only alter's their original premise slightly, and it's not like she's a new character.  She's been on the show for many seasons now.  I think of them as an ensemble cast, so I don't really see the "Big 3" being more important than the rest of the cast.

With that logic, then Howard has been in the show for more seasons, and so has Raj. Also while you don't see them as the big 3, TPTB sort of do (based on salaries).

[April]

7 hours ago, Carlos said:

OK. So if, according to you that's the case, why don't they move Lenny to 4B which makes a lot more sense than the ridiculous living arrangements they have now?

Since it has been said many times on the last two pages I take it you know the answer already: The writers are cowards, simple as that. Heck, they've said so themselves! They are hesitant about changing the show's precious DNA, even though we all know that's BS because the show changed already so much that Lenny moving into 4B and eventually Amy moving into 4A is really not that big of a stretch.

But the crux here is IMHO that the writers are like a bunch of overprotective helicopter parents to Sheldon. Every change in him has been a lot more careful and gradual and planned and drawn out until they couldn't avoid it anymore. (I know we disagree about how well they handled it but just roll with it for the sake of the argument, okay?) Lenny moving into 4B is not an isolated decision since it also involves Sheldon and then their concerns are probably more along the lines of "OMG what shall we do about Sheldon???" and the line of thoughts continues on to the next big Shamy steps like moving in together/engagement/marriage and it's probably all a bit much for their anxious little writer hearts. So they stall the hell out of those developments until it's unavoidable. And I think we're approaching that point now.

(And just to make that clear: I'm not endorsing their over-protectiveness of Sheldon here. I've always been of the opinion that characters grow with the challenges they have to face and to see them coddling Sheldon about the living arrangements time and again has been a big source of frustration for me as well.)

So IMO it's really not about "OMG Amy will take over the show then" panic that some seem to insist is the case here. As said, she already has a pretty big part in the show and is a constant presence in 4A - so what exactly would be the change here? That Shamy retake the kitchen island from Lenny?? The horror! lol

[JE7]

With all due respect screw Sheldon, at this point I really don't care who or what moves into 4a when Lenny moves out. They are killing the show by treating him as a sacred cow and holding everything back to concentrate on him.

I would rather get a quick end with this season than have the show continue to drag Lennys story out to ridiculous lengths for two or three more years while they slowly "grow" Sheldon. He is funny  in the proper doses but he has now become a roadblock that is preventing the show from moving into a new paradigm

Time to end it or even better spin Lenny and Howerdette off into their own show which would be funnier than the one we have now and they could move on with out the millstone of Sheldon holding them back 

And they would finally have the Sheldon show so many seem to want, Amy could move into 4b and Raj could replace Leonard, personally I don't think it would last a full season

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[Tonstar17]

Since it has been said many times on the last two pages I take it you know the answer already: The writers are cowards, simple as that. Heck, they've said so themselves! They are hesitant about changing the show's precious DNA, even though we all know that's BS because the show changed already so much that Lenny moving into 4B and eventually Amy moving into 4A is really not that big of a stretch.

But the crux here is IMHO that the writers are like a bunch of overprotective helicopter parents to Sheldon. Every change in him has been a lot more careful and gradual and planned and drawn out until they couldn't avoid it anymore. (I know we disagree about how well they handled it but just roll with it for the sake of the argument, okay?) Lenny moving into 4B is not an isolated decision since it also involves Sheldon and then their concerns are probably more along the lines of "OMG what shall we do about Sheldon???" and the line of thoughts continues on to the next big Shamy steps like moving in together/engagement/marriage and it's probably all a bit much for their anxious little writer hearts. So they stall the hell out of those developments until it's unavoidable. And I think we're approaching that point now.

(And just to make that clear: I'm not endorsing their over-protectiveness of Sheldon here. I've always been of the opinion that characters grow with the challenges they have to face and to see them coddling Sheldon about the living arrangements time and again has been a big source of frustration for me as well.)

So IMO it's really not about "OMG Amy will take over the show then" panic that some seem to insist is the case here. As said, she already has a pretty big part in the show and is a constant presence in 4A - so what exactly would be the change here? That Shamy retake the kitchen island from Lenny?? The horror! lol

You are missing the point again. Its not about Amy taking over the show and if she was so great why hasn't she taken over the show already that she needs to move into 4A to do it. Really, are you hearing yourself? The point of this discussion was the dynamics of the show, not Amy. It started with the big 3 and it will end with the big 3. Thats the reality i know we don't like it but its a common theme in many shows and tptb will not change that theme to accommodate Amy because you and others think she is a better actor than the rest of the cast. From day one it has always been about Leonard, Sheldon and Penny and that how it going to end. Even if Shamy get engaged and married tptb could do what they did with Lenny. Engaged not living together, married not living in their own apartment, what makes you think they wouldn't do that to Shamy to keep their precious dynamics of the big three. This is TPTB we are talking about here, they don't follow the rules.

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[3ku11]

Amy taking over the show is a mute point, she is a supporting character, periord. She exits to be the second half of Shamy, that is all. If the tptb decided they diddn't want Sheldon to have a gf anymore, Amys role would lessen. Writers have already said they well maintain the premise with Lenny and Sheldon living together. NO matter what changes, the big 3 well always take precedence in format, to the very end. Heck sakes as a 3 they all make a million an episode. It is about the dynamics, and they well never change. I Don't see Lenny moving out till series final. 

[April]

36 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

You are missing the point again. Its not about Amy taking over the show and if she was so great why hasn't she taken over the show already that she needs to move into 4A to do it. Really, are you hearing yourself? The point of this discussion was the dynamics of the show. It started with the big 3 and it will end with the big 3. Thats the reality i know we don't like it but its a common theme in many shows and tptb will not change that theme to accommodate Amy because you and others think she is a better actor than the rest of the cast. From day one it has always been about Leonard, Sheldon and Penny and that how it going to end. Even if Shamy get engaged and married tptb could do what they did with Lenny. Engaged not living together, married not living in their own apartment, what makes you think they wouldn't do that to Shamy to keep their precious dynamics of the big three. This is TPTB we are talking about here, they don't follow the rules.

Oh, I understand your point perfectly fine, I just disagree with it. In addition, you are missing my point by a mile and then some.

This is not a contest of whether or not Amy "wins" by moving into 4A. This is ridiculous. I reject that very notion and I've said so many times. Why anyone would think that this somehow changes her role in the show is absurd to me. I can not emphasise enough that it's not a matter of where a character lives but how they are written that makes them a main character. I don't know why you are so paranoid about the idea of her moving in. The writers can keep S/P/L as the core dynamic and still have Amy move in - these two things are not mutually exclusive. It's about what stories they chose to tell and how they tell them. Amy has always been part of Shamy stories, girls night stories or group stories - her moving into 4A won't change that one way or another. And whether or not she's going home to her own apartment at the end of the day or just down the hallway in 4A has no impact on the plots 9 times out of 10, just like Lenny could have been living in 4B and pretty much nothing would be different.

And this is exactly why I think the writers fear of changing the dynamic is unnecessary. I know you have already resigned and think nothing will ever change, up to the point where apparently anyone musing about that fateful day in the far off future is accused of not getting it. Fine, I can respect that defeatism if that's your jam. But personally I don't really care cause I'm more interested in looking at the show's potential and what the writers could do with it, and I form my opinion based on what they did in the past and say in interviews to get an idea of what's going on in their minds. And yes, Molaro talked about how they're hesitant about certain changes, how they're afraid to mess the DNA up and all that jazz. But he was also talking about how excited they are when they're finally making that scary jump. And he's also said many times during the last season alone how certain plot developments won't happen any time soon and then a few episodes later they did exactly that. So it's really not that clear cut. Personally, I think we've reached another one of those metaphorical crossroads where they're tinkering with the next big change in the show cause it's unavoidable. The show itself has brought up the question of the LAs and they get asked about it more and more as well. I'm not saying that they have it all figured out quite yet (especially with the uncertainty of S11 and beyond) and surely that change won't be coming fast. But the topic is on the table and they need to make a decision how they will approach this. That is all.

[Tonstar17]

Oh, I understand your point perfectly fine, I just disagree with it. In addition, you are missing my point by a mile and then some.

This is not a contest of whether or not Amy "wins" by moving into 4A. This is ridiculous. I reject that very notion and I've said so many times. Why anyone would think that this somehow changes her role in the show is absurd to me. I can not emphasise enough that it's not a matter of where a character lives but how they are written that makes them a main character. I don't know why you are so paranoid about the idea of her moving in. The writers can keep S/P/L as the core dynamic and still have Amy move in - these two things are not mutually exclusive. It's about what stories they chose to tell and how they tell them. Amy has always been part of Shamy stories, girls night stories or group stories - her moving into 4A won't change that one way or another. And whether or not she's going home to her own apartment at the end of the day or just down the hallway in 4A has no impact on the plots 9 times out of 10, just like Lenny could have been living in 4B and pretty much nothing would be different.

And this is exactly why I think the writers fear of changing the dynamic is unnecessary. I know you have already resigned and think nothing will ever change, up to the point where apparently anyone musing about that fateful day in the far off future is accused of not getting it. Fine, I can respect that defeatism if that's your jam. But personally I don't really care cause I'm more interested in looking at the show's potential and what the writers could do with it, and I form my opinion based on what they did in the past and say in interviews to get an idea of what's going on in their minds. And yes, Molaro talked about how they're hesitant about certain changes, how they're afraid to mess the DNA up and all that jazz. But he was also talking about how excited they are when they're finally making that scary jump. And he's also said many times during the last season alone how certain plot developments won't happen any time soon and then a few episodes later they did exactly that. So it's really not that clear cut. Personally, I think we've reached another one of those metaphorical crossroads where they're tinkering with the next big change in the show cause it's unavoidable. The show itself has brought up the question of the LAs and they get asked about it more and more as well. I'm not saying that they have it all figured out quite yet (especially with the uncertainty of S11 and beyond) and surely that change won't be coming fast. But the topic is on the table and they need to make a decision how they will approach this. That is all.

I could say the same about your obsession with Amy moving into 4A with no valid reason apart from being sheldon girlfriend. Really defeatism.

Sorry you are wrong there. I chose to see the show how it has been from the beginning. Tptb will change some of the dna of the show like Sheldon having a girlfriend and having sex etc but there are part of the dna of the show that will never change. That is the big 3. It will never change to the big 4, that was never the premise of the show and that was my point all along. But you choose to make it about me not wanting Amy to move in to 4a which i have never said. I was just pointing out the reasons why i think it will not happen anytime soon and tptb will delay it as long as possible to keep the dynamics of the big 3. Molaro has never talked about breaking up the main 3 or adding to it, yes he does say things will not happen and then they do but this is one that will not happen anytime soon.

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[April]

3 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

I could say the same about your obsession with Amy moving into 4A with no valid reason apart from being sheldon girlfriend. Really defeatism.

Sorry you are wrong there. I chose to see the show how it has been from the beginning. Tptb will change some of the dna of the show like Sheldon having a girlfriend and having sex etc but there are part of the dna of the show that will never change. That is the big 3. It will never change to the big 4, that was never the premise of the show and that was my point all along. But you choose to make it about me not wanting Amy to move in to 4a which i have never said. I was just pointing out the reasons why i think it will not happen anytime soon and tptb will delay it as long as possible to keep the dynamics of the big 3. Molaro has never talked about breaking up the main 3 or adding to it, yes he does say things will not happen and then they do but this is one that will not happen anytime soon.

I'm not obsessed with Amy moving in. I'm merely defending the idea that having Amy move in won't destroy the DNA of the show all of a sudden. Nobody says that they should turn "the big 3" into "the big 4". I literally said several times that Amy moving into 4A won't automatically turn her into a major character. What part of my stance that "moving into 4A won't change Amy's role as a supporting character" is so hard to understand?

And that very idea that Amy could eventually move in is a result of pretty much everybody's wish to free up Lenny and let them move into 4B to experience life as a married couple with all the challenges that comes with it cause that would open up the possibilities for more interesting and funny stories for them. They deserve better than being chained to the 4A kitchen island commentating Sheldon's life.

But with Lenny moving out there is an inevitable vacancy in 4A and naturally I'd rather see it being filled with Amy, a character that actually makes sense in this situation as a natural progression of her and Sheldon's relationship, than have some other random dude move in just for the heck of it as per some of the suggestions here in this thread.

And again, I also said that this surely won't happen any time soon but I'm optimistic that they've reached the point where it's on the table and they have to deal with it. Last month or so Molaro was already musing about possibly "experimenting" with the living arrangements so we have to wait and see how that'll turn out now that they're back to work again.

[Tonstar17]

I'm not obsessed with Amy moving in. I'm merely defending the idea that having Amy move in won't destroy the DNA of the show all of a sudden. Nobody says that they should turn "the big 3" into "the big 4". I literally said several times that Amy moving into 4A won't automatically turn her into a major character. What part of my stance that "moving into 4A won't change Amy's role as a supporting character" is so hard to understand?

And that very idea that Amy could eventually move in is a result of pretty much everybody's wish to free up Lenny and let them move into 4B to experience life as a married couple with all the challenges that comes with it cause that would open up the possibilities for more interesting and funny stories for them. They deserve better than being chained to the 4A kitchen island commentating Sheldon's life.

But with Lenny moving out there is an inevitable vacancy in 4A and naturally I'd rather see it being filled with Amy, a character that actually makes sense in this situation as a natural progression of her and Sheldon's relationship, than have some other random dude move in just for the heck of it as per some of the suggestions here in this thread.

And again, I also said that this surely won't happen any time soon but I'm optimistic that they've reached the point where it's on the table and they have to deal with it. Last month or so Molaro was already musing about possibly "experimenting" with the living arrangements so we have to wait and see how that'll turn out now that they're back to work again.

Well Amy moving into 4A will make it the big 4. It not going to be the big 3 plus Amy. Is it? I also want lenny to move in together so badly and get on with their lives without Sheldon butting in every 5 minutes but that is not going to happen. I also disagree that Amy moving into 4a will not make her a main character. That is why the main set is 4a and 4b and the only characters that live their are the main 3 so hence Amy moving in will upgrade her character to main. There will be a lot changes and growth hopefully in S10 but living arrangement will not be one of them. Just a feeling I've got.

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[April]

13 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Well Amy moving into 4A will make it the big 4. It not going to be the big 3 plus Amy. Is it? I also want lenny to move in together so badly and get on with their lives without Sheldon butting in every 5 minutes but that is not going to happen. I also disagree that Amy moving into 4a will not make her a main character. That is why the main set is 4a and 4b and the only characters that live their are the main 3 so hence Amy moving in will upgrade her character to main. There will be a lot changes and growth hopefully in S10 but living arrangement will not be one of them. Just a feeling I've got.

But in many episodes it already is "the big 3 plus Amy". How exactly do you think that would change if she moves in? That Shamy/Lenny do a lot of stuff together? They already do that now. That Shamy will have scenes alone in 4A? They already have those now. So what is it then? The only change I can see is that Lenny won't be hanging out at the kitchen island permanently which I'm sure we will all miss soooo much. /sarcasm

I mean, in the end you have your gut feeling and I have mine and mine's just a bit more optimistic about the possible changes.

[Tonstar17]

But in many episodes it already is "the big 3 plus Amy". How exactly do you think that would change if she moves in? That Shamy/Lenny do a lot of stuff together? They already do that now. That Shamy will have scenes alone in 4A? They already have those now. So what is it then? The only change I can see is that Lenny won't be hanging out at the kitchen island permanently which I'm sure we will all miss soooo much. /sarcasm

I mean, in the end you have your gut feeling and I have mine and mine's just a bit more optimistic about the possible changes.

Hanging out in 4a apartment is not living there. Moving in is and a big step and will change things. Don't know why you can't see it. Thats the difference. I can assure you that lenny just wouldn't be hanging out in the island kitchen in s10. That I'm optimistic about.

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[legacy99]

Its jmo that tptb might think there's more comedy to be had if lenny move to 4b and sheldon lives alone for a while. That way amy can keep giving sheldon reasons she should move in and sheldon coming up with reasons she shouldn't that way they can keep the status quo

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[April]

1 minute ago, Tonstar17 said:

Hanging out in 4a apartment is not living there. Moving in is and a big step and will change things. Don't know why you can't see it. Thats the difference.

It is a big step for the characters from an in-universe perspective. I'm not denying that at all. And as I have said in an earlier post I think that is exactly the reason why the writers have such a hard time with it because every step forward for Shamy just takes them ages. ugh

But that's not exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the writing and the role she already has in the story. People seem to be worried that the writing for her will change and let her become a more important character on par with the big 3 cause that is what it means to turn a supporting character into a main character. And that this somehow is a bad thing for some reason...?? (Talking about the thread in general not your opinion specifically here.)

So then, if the way she is written stays the same in terms of screentime and what kind of stories she gets with the only difference being that she sleeps in 4A instead of 314 then she either is a main character now or she will stay a supportive character after she moves into 4A. But either way the worry that this will change the DNA of the show seems absurd.

Of course there's also the possibility that the writers will feel compelled to give us a ton of great Amy-centric stories once she moves in (not that I would complain lol) but somehow I don't think that will be the case...

1 minute ago, Tonstar17 said:

I can assure you that lenny wouldn't be hanging out in the island kitchen in s10. That I'm optimistic about.

Fingers crossed! ;D

[JE7]

Don't delude yourself, the show is now Sheldon centric and if Amy moves into 4a we will get Shamy a plots from here on out, Lenny will be equal to Howerdettee and will never see another decent story line. They will get 3 or 4 minutes and alot of reacting to Sheldon as he tries to cope with the Change. Moving Amy into 4a would be the final step in the death of TBBT and the show beoming "SHELDON and his friends" instead

They wouldn't be able to stop themselves because they have only wanted to write Sheldon since mid season 7 distance Lenny from Sheldon and they will be treated as supporting charecters even more than they are now

 

Edited June 21, 2016 by JE7

[camelliayao]

14 minutes ago, April said:

It is a big step for the characters from an in-universe perspective. I'm not denying that at all. And as I have said in an earlier post I think that is exactly the reason why the writers have such a hard time with it because every step forward for Shamy just takes them ages. ugh

But that's not exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the writing and the role she already has in the story. People seem to be worried that the writing for her will change and let her become a more important character on par with the big 3 cause that is what it means to turn a supporting character into a main character. And that this somehow is a bad thing for some reason...?? (Talking about the thread in general not your opinion specifically here.)

So then, if the way she is written stays the same in terms of screentime and what kind of stories she gets with the only difference being that she sleeps in 4A instead of 314 then she either is a main character now or she will stay a supportive character after she moves into 4A. But either way the worry that this will change the DNA of the show seems absurd.

Of course there's also the possibility that the writers will feel compelled to give us a ton of great Amy-centric stories once she moves in (not that I would complain lol) but somehow I don't think that will be the case...

Fingers crossed! ;D

I don't think the writing is the issue here because just like you said a lot of the times Amy has already joined the big 3. There're plenty of ways of moving Amy in without "upgrade" her to a main character. IMO what the writers are so afraid of is that the "notion" of Shamy living together&Leonard no longer living with Sheldon will scare many viewers away. As far as I know, a lot of people stopped watching the show after Shamy had coitus because to them that's too much of a change, even though the writers waited for all those years. For these audience, the show should always be Lenny being Sheldon's parents, taking care of him, making sarcastic comments from time to time and Sheldon being annoying&adorable at the same time, with Amy being an outsider.

So honestly I'm not very optimistic about the living arrangements because everything we analysize here, they writers must have already analysized thousands of times. And they chose to keep the living situation status quo, which tells me to them not changing anything is for the best interest of the show. Of course another possibility is Molaro doing his saying one doing another thing again. Guess we'll know later.

[JE7]

Let's face the facts more people now watch the show on delay than live, the excitement is gone and those who wait to watch now aren't that far from not watching at all. So They will ride this dying horse till it's last breath because they are afraid of change. They could have a whole new show about 30 something geeks adjusting to the changes in their lives and careers and probably go on for a long time but they are afraid to Rock the money boat.

[April]

9 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

IMO what the writers are so afraid of is that the "notion" of Shamy living together&Leonard no longer living with Sheldon will scare many viewers away. As far as I know, a lot of people stopped watching the show after Shamy had coitus because to them that's too much of a change, even though the writers waited for all those years. For these audience, the show should always be Lenny being Sheldon's parents, taking care of him, making sarcastic comments from time to time and Sheldon being annoying&adorable at the same time, with Amy being an outsider.

I don't think that this theory is supported by the actual viewing figures or what went on in the aftermath with the general buzz around the show. When I look at @Tensor's data there is no indication that this development had any negative impact whatsoever. Quite the contrary actually since it's the most critically acclaimed episode of the season from what I can tell.  There was criticism that happened on a very individual level like here in the forum but I don't think that this is any indication for a wider trend. Instead people in many places are eager for more Shamy stories like Opening Night and are starting to roll their eyes at the living arrangements if past interviews are any indication. And Molaro's tune has become a more vague-ish "maybe we'll experiment a little" which kinda feels like he's coming around to the idea of changing the living arrangements. Of course I'll take everything he says with a bucket load of salt and I don't expect anything hasty cause they're basically Ents when it comes to that kind of stuff, but you know fingers crossed and all that! :D