[Spoilers] Season 9-10 Hiatus Thread

[Tensor]

8 minutes ago, JE7 said:

... I don't think the ratings will hold

You mean those theoretical ratings?  

[JE7]

Yep those theoretical ratings. They can not be proven only extrapolated from obtained data. The only way to prove as a FACT 15 million watch is to monitor 15 million. 

But I just got to work and your up for two more hours so if you want to play a round of dualing sarcasm I am up for it 

[Carlos]

10 hours ago, camelliayao said:

I don't think the writing is the issue here because just like you said a lot of the times Amy has already joined the big 3. There're plenty of ways of moving Amy in without "upgrade" her to a main character. IMO what the writers are so afraid of is that the "notion" of Shamy living together&Leonard no longer living with Sheldon will scare many viewers away. As far as I know, a lot of people stopped watching the show after Shamy had coitus because to them that's too much of a change, even though the writers waited for all those years. For these audience, the show should always be Lenny being Sheldon's parents, taking care of him, making sarcastic comments from time to time and Sheldon being annoying&adorable at the same time, with Amy being an outsider.

So honestly I'm not very optimistic about the living arrangements because everything we analysize here, they writers must have already analysized thousands of times. And they chose to keep the living situation status quo, which tells me to them not changing anything is for the best interest of the show. Of course another possibility is Molaro doing his saying one doing another thing again. Guess we'll know later.

I hate the living arrangements because they are IMO, ridiculous, and stretch the suspension of disbelief to its limits. I am not particularly interested in the discussion of whether having Amy live in 4A would bump her to main character status or not, but if I am to go by past behavior I'd say she'd never be bumped to main character status, since the Shamy split was seem 95 % from Sheldon's point of view. IMO again one of the worst written arcs ever: they (almost) never showed Amy's pointy of view and she took him back with nothing having changed, and the timing f it was suspect as well.

All of that being said I'm not so sure that if Lenny move out, that Amy would move in. After the coitus episode Sheldon has been quite indifferent to Amy. I actually remember few good Shamy moments save for the tag when they went to the cabin, and a couple other sprinkled here and there. One would think coitus would bring them closer but alas, no, it's as if it didn't happen.

10 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

I know there are unhappy fans that want the show to change in certain ways but using the argument of viewing figures really isn't that strong. They simply haven't fallen off a cliff, but when that's pointed out the counter is always that the audience wants to see the show through because they have been watching since day 1. I think there is some truth to that but I think it's greatly exaggerated, people just aren't as loyal to TV shows as they once were.

The while issue of living arrangements might be major to us but it's most likely very minor to casual viewers of the show that haven't become as invested as some of us. The show runners and the network know far better than we do about their audience and what they want.

I get what you're saying but if you really think about it viewing figures should not concern us, only TPTB. I know it guides their actions, and therefore influence our enjoyment of the show, but the fact of the matter is that the only important thing is how the show feels to each one of us. We either like it or we don't with all degrees in between. What does it really matter (on an individual basis) if the show is the #1 show if we don't like it any more? Some people love S7, 8 and 9 . I loved the show S1-S6 and consider it started going downhill from there S8 being the worst (IMO)

[3ku11]

13 hours ago, JE7 said:

Don't delude yourself, the show is now Sheldon centric and if Amy moves into 4a we will get Shamy a plots from here on out, Lenny will be equal to Howerdettee and will never see another decent story line. They will get 3 or 4 minutes and alot of reacting to Sheldon as he tries to cope with the Change. Moving Amy into 4a would be the final step in the death of TBBT and the show beoming "SHELDON and his friends" instead

They wouldn't be able to stop themselves because they have only wanted to write Sheldon since mid season 7 distance Lenny from Sheldon and they will be treated as supporting charecters even more than they are now

 

How is that any different to the present show? LOL. IT is not The Big Bang Theory anymore, your right. IF Amy Moves in, it well offically become Sheldon Cooper's adventures and his Friends. Some like a few posters love Sheldon and think he all that matters. But some like the whole ensemble. The show is a former shadow of its former self. I mean screw Sheldons changes. Lenny decided to put their lifes on hold to accomondate this so and so. And did he appreciate it? Does he appreciate anything in his life? No not one bit. You then got Penny bitching about the situation with herself, Leonard, and Sheldon in thearpy, a situation she created. Does that make any sense to anyone? Oh Poor Sheldon, lets live with this crazy guy LEonard, oh boy lets add one more year to my 9 years of amazing years with this guy LOL. This show has gone to the dogs. From a creative stand point this show no longer exists. Just pay cheque to pay cheque, really.  I personally beleive coitus has screwed up Shamys dynamic. Sheldon ahs lost his innocence. And I feel they have struggled to maintain some parity, and regain their clock so to speak since then. It has not brought them closer, it has isolated them.  I mean its like when Lenny had sex, remember how awkward it was? I mean they were friends for two years. But that was seven years ago. Then sex just became a natural component in their relationship. OBviousley Shamy runs at a different pace. But I jsut think after 5 years of an emotional relationship. They waited to long for them to do it. And now I beleive its complicated things. 

Edited June 22, 2016 by 3ku11

[djsurrey]

45 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Yep those theoretical ratings. They can not be proven only extrapolated from obtained data. The only way to prove as a FACT 15 million watch is to monitor 15 million. 

But I just got to work and your up for two more hours so if you want to play a round of dualing sarcasm I am up for it 

Sure, no proof but this is considered good enough. This is the info used to cancel shows, to decide advertising costs. 

Statistics plays a role in science (confidence levels -- http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=103 ) and in engineering ( http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/prc/section1/prc14.htm ). The confidence levels are likely tighter in physics and engineering. 

[Spaced_up]

This is a sitcom about people who are different, geniuses outside the norm. I don’t know why they can’t have unusual living arrangements. They are unusual people. But the point seems to be to make them ordinary.

My guess is, that Penny will give up 4B and ask Sheldon to move across the hall. Living arrangements are the only thing left to deconstruct so of course they will have to go. No ones really that interested in whether the parents are dating, or life with Howardette’s baby. These forums have never been so quiet.

Edited June 22, 2016 by Spaced_up

[JE7]

It's summer the shows not on and most of us have lives.

Your opinion of what the show is about is simply that your opinion and you cant truthfully say no one cares about something only that you dont

 

Edited June 22, 2016 by JE7

[veejay]

16 minutes ago, JE7 said:

It's summer the shows not on and most of us have lives.

Your opinion of what the show is about is simply that your opinion and you cant truthfully say no one cares about something only that you dont

 

Of course!

…and I'm crawling back to the island (of the sun). LOL

Edited June 22, 2016 by veejay

[3ku11]

4 hours ago, JE7 said:

It's summer the shows not on and most of us have lives.

Your opinion of what the show is about is simply that your opinion and you cant truthfully say no one cares about something only that you dont

 

Spaced Up is correct, and is just saying the majority think. Or too afraid to say. Based on the tone of the comments here, I well say majority is correct the masses don't care about this show anymore. But most hard core fans still care enough to talk about it. 

 The show is a former shadow of it self. The take away from S9 finalie was did Leonard and Sheldon's parents do it? Who cares, whether their parents had sex. This used to be a peciuliar show about two unusual people in an unusual scenario when a hot girl moved in. Now its has become a souless, conventional shell of its former self. IT is bad enough they keep insulting the audience. With the repeated Cannon. The horrible writing. The oh I feel sorry for Sheldon, then oh that man child! Groan from the audience. This whole moving pattern, shows in right now, is jsut madness. The show has conformed to socieites conventions and rules. Relying on tired out sterotypes and clichies. The only thing original about this show anymore. IS Lenny. Shamy have become a conventional couple. Where the only thing people ask now is when is Shamy going to do it again? Just like any other couple. Not to mention jumping the shark with the whole Howardette Baby Gate. 

Edited June 22, 2016 by Tensor
Remove negative comments directed toward other posters.

[mirs1]

I think we are not that into the discussions about Malfred because, as a matter of fact, it will end up in nothing. I mean, whether they hook up or not, whether they  become a couple or not, what difference does it make in the long run? It's fun to think about Sheldon and Leonard like "stepbrothers" (whatever that might mean...) but what would really change in their everyday life if their middle aged parents, which live thousands of miles away from them, end up together?  It was a funny angst free cliffhanger, so glad about it, but of course it doesn't make for a lot of conversations, not certainly those kind of conversations that a meltdown like S. 8 cliffhanger provided for. Same thing goes for Howardette...they are having a baby, it's a big change in the infamous DNA of TBBT, but she hasn't even gotten a baby bump yet. There will be plenty of time, as soon as her pregnancy progresses, to speak about how it can impact the show. At the moment, it seems an event so far away (even if I think she will be due by the end of november at most...)

Edited June 22, 2016 by mirs1

[SRAM]

Wow, people on this forum are really getting intense.  I look at the show in a much simpler way, I like the show, it is much more entertaining to me than the other crap on TV, so I will continue to watch the show until it ends.  I bitch about it, but I still am going to watch it because it is still so much better than anything else out there, even though it is very possible the quality has gone down.  

Concerning the quality, I think the long term contracts had something to do with that, in that the writers got complacent.  In the highly competitive entertainment market, they should replace the writers when they fail to deliver the product, like they replace actors in shows when they don't work out anymore.  TBBT seems to be paralleling Penny's movie right now, Serial Apeist Two, the actors are trying to do a good job with what they got, but the storyline isn't very good.

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

I think we are not that into the discussions about Malfred because, as a matter of fact, it will end up in nothing. I mean, whether they hook up or not, whether they  become a couple or not, what difference does it make in the long run? It's fun to think about Sheldon and Leonard like "stepbrothers" (whatever that might mean...) but what would really change in their everyday life if their middle aged parents, which live thousands of miles away from them, end up together?  It was a funny angst free cliffhanger, so glad about it, but of course it doesn't make for a lot of conversations, not certainly those kind of conversations that a meltdown like S. 8 cliffhanger provided for. Same thing goes for Howardette...they are having a baby, it's a big change in the infamous DNA of TBBT, but she hasn't even gotten a baby bump yet. There will be plenty of time, as soon as her pregnancy progresses, to speak about how it can impact the show. At the moment, it seems an event so far away (even if I think she will be due by the end of november at most...)

Yeah it was an angst free finale but there could be angst in the opening episode of Season 10 if both Leonard and Sheldon find out something did indeed happen between their parents and then you have Beverly's reaction.

[mirs1]

9 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

Yeah it was an angst free finale but there could be angst in the opening episode of Season 10 if both Leonard and Sheldon find out something did indeed happen between their parents and then you have Beverly's reaction.

The cliffhanger can create some painfully awkward moments, but it can also provide for a lot of comedy. Nothing compared with the angst in S. 9 premiere, IMO.

Edited June 22, 2016 by mirs1

[hokie3457]

1 hour ago, Jonny83 said:

Yeah it was an angst free finale but there could be angst in the opening episode of Season 10 if both Leonard and Sheldon find out something did indeed happen between their parents and then you have Beverly's reaction.

Ha!  Can you imagine Sheldon's reaction if he found out there maybe impending Cooper/Hofstadter spawn????

[SRAM]

56 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Ha!  Can you imagine Sheldon's reaction if he found out there maybe impending Cooper/Hofstadter spawn????

Mary pregnant!!  That would be priceless.

[3ku11]

3 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Mary pregnant!!  That would be priceless.

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, SRAM said:

Mary pregnant!!  That would be priceless.

It would be miraculous.

3 hours ago, SRAM said:

Mary pregnant!!  That would be priceless.

 

[Stephen Hawking]

21 hours ago, JE7 said:

although praying couldn't hurt lol 

4 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

Ha!  Can you imagine Sheldon's reaction if he found out there maybe impending Cooper/Hofstadter spawn????

isn't Mary Cooper a bit old to be pregnant?

[Carlos]

Yep, the actress who plays her is 61 years old, and if Sheldon is supposed to thirty something Mary cooper should be around that age as well. Way tto old to become pregnant.

[Jonny]

I think the twist might be they didn't hook up but we don't find out until perhaps the end of the episode after some freaking out by both Sheldon and Leonard.

[hokie3457]

21 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Yep, the actress who plays her is 61 years old, and if Sheldon is supposed to thirty something Mary cooper should be around that age as well. Way tto old to become pregnant.

Ah, but as Mary Cooper would say "the Lord works in mysterious ways."

 #CooperHofstadterSpawn.  Look! I'm even giving Cooper top billing!    (Oh! Twins run on the Cooper side!!!  Even better!!!)

Edited June 22, 2016 by hokie3457
Ideas are bubbling!

[Tonstar17]

I think the twist might be they didn't hook up but we don't find out until perhaps the end of the episode after some freaking out by both Sheldon and Leonard.

Penny winding them up and taking the piss, making them feel more paranoid. Lol

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[SRAM]

3 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

isn't Mary Cooper a bit old to be pregnant?

They never set an age for her in the show, so they could say she is something like 55, people that age have gotten pregnant before.

[Nogravitasatall]

On 22 June 2016 at 6:57 AM, djsurrey said:

There are always complaints when the audience is large and diverse. 

Worse still anything that is popular will be torn apart by some people.

Part of is that people as individuals behave differently from the group. The herd of viewers now may not be same as the herd of viewers then except in size. But the show can support a big herd. But some of the older beasts have self-culled - and been replaced by poddy calves from other herds. Also, people may not be as discerning as one might hope.  

But I do want to be surprised again. How many times can being shown Sheldon being a pain be freshly funny? 

[djsurrey]

35 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

But I do want to be surprised again.

Surprise is a major part of TBBT's bag of tricks. It is kind of a given.

http://cdn.movieweb.com/img.news.tops/NE6gGnxajH5G98_1_b.jpg

 

Edited June 23, 2016 by djsurrey