[Spoilers] Season 9-10 Hiatus Thread

[3ku11]

9 minutes ago, vonmar said:

From what I remember, Penny is supposed to be us...the viewers, getting to know and fall in love with these guys..

Well yeah haha. I just remember prady saying its the expereiment of a hot girl on four nerds. So yeah Like Kaley said in S1 you diddn't know would Penny actually geniunely like these guys, was she gonna be like Alica in Dead Hooker? But by s2 you could tell as the audience, Penny geniunely cared for the eggheads. So S2 always was the season for me anyway, that the show found its identity. 

[Stephen Hawking]

On 6/24/2016 at 11:48 PM, 3ku11 said:

My point was Amy is not the hot chick in the show.

No, she's one of them.

IMO of course.

3 hours ago, JE7 said:

So if not for Leonard Sheldon would still be alone and isolated from people living by himself in 4A.

And, vise versa, had it not been for Sheldon, Leonard wouldn't have ended up with Penny.

From The Cooper Extraction:-

Amy: It’s true. None of you would know me. You wouldn’t know Bernadette. You wouldn’t be dating Penny.

[JE7]

Sheldon in that case is inactive Leonard is the one who moved in. Sheldon did nothing but exist all change flowed from Leonard.  That whole episode was while funny simply an attempt to continue to change the focus onto Sheldon to say he is the center of the show and always has been.  It was simply propaganda 

It was in essence a early version if the episode 200 sheldon-palooza

Edited June 26, 2016 by JE7

[hokie3457]

It would be nice to have an "It's a Wonderful Leonard" episode.  Without Leonard, Sheldon would probably not become friends with Raj and Howard and thus would probably not have met Amy.

Edited June 26, 2016 by hokie3457
Corrected glaring spelling errors.

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

6 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

It would be nice to have an "It's a Wonderful Leonard" episode.  Without Leonrd, Sheldon would probably not become friends with Raj and Howard and thus would probably not have met Amr.

[gsxdoug]

Hmm. Perhaps I should consider expanding my (very brief) It's a Wonderful Lenny fanfic from a couple years ago into a multi-chapter opus...

[Stephen Hawking]

Go for it gsxdoug.

[djsurrey]

9 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

It would be nice to have an "It's a Wonderful Leonard" episode.  Without Leonard, Sheldon would probably not become friends with Raj and Howard and thus would probably not have met Amy.

Sheldon would probably have no friends at all. If crazy Sheldon had not been on the fourth floor perhaps the transvestite would have moved in to 4a and Leonard would have moved in with him. Hard to say. My point is that is was Leonard's accepting personality that glued it all together.

Edited June 27, 2016 by djsurrey
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[nibbler747]

4 hours ago, JE7 said:

Sheldon in that case is inactive Leonard is the one who moved in. Sheldon did nothing but exist all change flowed from Leonard.  That whole episode was while funny simply an attempt to continue to change the focus onto Sheldon to say he is the center of the show and always has been.  It was simply propaganda 

It was in essence a early version if the episode 200 sheldon-palooza

I think it's a commentary on how each one of them changed the trajectories of each other's lives.  Sheldon would have been lonely and not have had friends or met Amy if not for Leonard.  Leonard would have not met Penny if it were not for Sheldon.  Howard would have not met Bernie if it were not for Penny.  Amy would have not met any of them if it were not for Raj and Howard.  

[JE7]

True to an extent but the event that started it all was Leonard moving in with Sheldon if he hadn't there lives would be very  different. Leonard already knew Howard and Raj, Bernie thought Howard was cute so they may have hooked up at the cheesecake factory and thus Leonard could have met penny thru Bernie.

No one knows what might have been but we do know what HAS happened and no amount of retconning is going to change the content of our DVDs and make Sheldon the center of the shows dynamic, that is and always has been Leonard.

[Tensor]

6 minutes ago, JE7 said:

True to an extent but the event that started it all was Leonard

...snip...

that is and always has been Leonard.

While I agree with most of your comment, I have to say that Leonard only started eating at the Cheesecake factory after learning Penny worked there (1.05 The Hamburger Postulate).   So, unless Leonard, Howard, and Raj randomly walked into The Cheesecake Factory, They wouldn't have met either Penny or Bernadette.  

[JE7]

17 minutes ago, Tensor said:

While I agree with most of your comment, I have to say that Leonard only started eating at the Cheesecake factory after learning Penny worked there (1.05 The Hamburger Postulate).   So, unless Leonard, Howard, and Raj randomly walked into The Cheesecake Factory, They wouldn't have met either Penny or Bernadette.  

Not being held to a list of "approved" places to eat I don't find it a stretch to think the guys would have eventually eaten there. Can we be sure no, would Howard or Leonard been able to woo the pretty waitress into a date? Possibly if seemingly unlikely.

If you subscribe to the notion that some people are destined for each other.... to paraphrase Jurassic Park "life finds a way"

What really bothered me about that episode was that everyone lives without Sheldon were pretty pathetic, I don't think all their lives would suck just because they didn't know Sheldon.

It was a very funny episode but under the surface there was an agenda

Edited June 26, 2016 by JE7

[djsurrey]

4 hours ago, JE7 said:

Not being held to a list of "approved" places to eat I don't find it a stretch to think the guys would have eventually eaten there. Can we be sure no, would Howard or Leonard been able to woo the pretty waitress into a date? Possibly if seemingly unlikely.

If you subscribe to the notion that some people are destined for each other.... to paraphrase Jurassic Park "life finds a way"

What really bothered me about that episode was that everyone lives without Sheldon were pretty pathetic, I don't think all their lives would suck just because they didn't know Sheldon.

It was a very funny episode but under the surface there was an agenda

It was being neighbourly that broke the ice. Penny not being able to get her shower to work gave an opening to Leonard to learn about Kurt and the TV.

I think meeting as neighbours worked quite well.

[JE7]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

It was being neighbourly that broke the ice. Penny not being able to get her shower to work gave an opening to Leonard to learn about Kurt and the TV.

I think meeting as neighbours worked quite well.

Indeed it did and seeing each other regularly without the pressure of being your best in a date type environment allowed them to get to know each other that probably no other scenario could match, it was a perfect storm of cutxumstances

 

[Tensor]

 

27 minutes ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

 

 Serena, if you think a post is bad enough to report, then don't answer it.   

[djsurrey]

20 minutes ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

I don't like the gender segregation and how they separate guys and girls on all things like its 1950 :/

Funny you should mention that as it reminds me of the reaction my 18 year old daughter had to comments one of my friends has made that included assumptions contrasting genders and their typical interests. I suspect that when I was in my early 30s (the early 1990s) a degree of separate interests might have been taken for granted. Bill Prady is just a few months older than I am and Chuck Lorre is another 8 years older.

And yes, my daughter was not impressed.

[Tensor]

 

On June 24, 2016 at 7:27 PM, serena_nyc1995 said:

Also  I think Leonard and Amy kinda look alike(on a general level)- they are both very short,  wear glasses and a lot of clothing.

Amy is not very short.  Mayim is 5'4", within a half an inch of the average American woman.  In fact, for someone with a Jewish ancestory, she is 2-3 inches taller than an average woman.  She is also the same height as Margo Harshman, who played Alex and Danica McKellar, who played Abby.   Whether someone is hot is very subjective, but you can't say Amy is VERY short, she's not.  As Melissa is under five foot tall, you can say Bernadette is very short, but I've never heard that used as an argument for Bernadette not being hot.    

[serena_1995]

On 6/23/2016 at 6:14 AM, April said:

Also, let's be real, the girls were not just an addition to boost Howard and Sheldon. Their job was never only being girlfriends to those guys - they were also there to expand Penny's character. As great as Penny was there was some dimension to her missing cause her social life was some vague-ish "dates a lot of guys and has friends we never got to know" bubble. Giving her a proper girl squad has opened up a lot of fun stories that we'd otherwise never gotten with the original 1 girl/4 nerds setup.

Another way to give Amy and Bernie more depth would be to give them their own stories outside of Howard and Sheldon. Bernie hasn't had a micro-biology related plot in 3 years and Amy has not had any scenes in her lab or related to her career or hobbies in a very long time. The girls are also excluded from movies, games, science based or work related discussion that the guys are having.While I like the girls' scenes,  I don't like the gender segregation and the way they separate the guys and girls on all things :/

[Carlos]

On ‎6‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 1:46 PM, djsurrey said:

I agree with most of your post. The bold part I'm not so sure about. I think Lorre and Prady have said many things. First that the concept for the show was a melding of two different ideas. 

The other thing is I don't think the success of TBBT was really anticipated. Most new shows are lucky if they can get to get to four seasons.

Perhaps what Lorre meant was they finally spent some time in Penny's struggles after the first four seasons. As April has pointed out they have also given her some friends as regulars.

I honestly don't care what Lorre's vision was or his intentions were or of TBBT still has a lot of viewers. For me, creatively speaking S1-6 were great and it was downhill from there to the point I will no longer watch S10. To me the show is creatively dead, and my opinion is the only one that matters, to me that is. I think it ultimately it is that way for all of us. All we care about is what each of us feel regardless of everything else.

[serena_1995]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

Amy is not very short.  Mayim is 5'4", within a half an inch of the average American woman.  In fact, for someone with a Jewish ancestory, she is 2-3 inches taller than an average woman.  She is also the same height as Margo Harshman, who played Alex and Danica McKellar, who played Abby.   Whether someone is hot is very subjective, but you can't say Amy is VERY short, she's not.  As Melissa is under five foot tall, you can say Bernadette is very short, but I've never heard that used as an argument for Bernadette not being hot.    

Yeah I agree, I should have said,  Amy and Leonard are roughly the same height.IDK why, Amy and Leonard look alike to me. Lol. 

Edited June 27, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[Carlos]

On ‎6‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 8:16 PM, Carm6773 said:

So a female can be intelligent or eye candy, but not both?!

Please let's not start with the fake feminism, shall we? A woman can be eye candy and intelligent, or eye candy and stupid, or intelligent and ugly or ugly and stupid as all of us know. Beside that , beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Furthermore in the show Penny is portrayed as being the looker while Amy is supposed to not be as hot and is sometimes portrayed as frumpy even. That's not even the problem. Let's face it, there are beautiful and ugly women and men and intelligent and stupid women and men and any combination of such attributes. The only problem lies when people treat other people based on their appreciation if such attributes.

[3ku11]

20 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

No, she's one of them.

IMO of course.

And, vise versa, had it not been for Sheldon, Leonard wouldn't have ended up with Penny.

From The Cooper Extraction:-

Amy: It’s true. None of you would know me. You wouldn’t know Bernadette. You wouldn’t be dating Penny.

Haden't been for Leonard, Sheldon would of never meet Amy. So vice versa my friend.

Amy ain't one of the hot chicks in the show. While I Accept you find Mayim attractive. And i am not saying Amy is ugly. She just from a masses perspective, is not seen as the hot chick in any form. Penny has been characterized as the hot girl next door from day one. Bernadette is the cute Scientist, with  agreat Rack :D. Amy is not seen in that light. Sheldon is not attracted to women like Penny. He is attracted to intlligence. Sheldon woulden't be attracted to Amy if she was anything else. I am not saying OH Amy is Ugly. I Am just saying that is not her character. Look at the way she dresses, and how she outwardly expresses her self, with all those cardigans. And that is fine, it is refreshing to have a character who is quirky but not seen as "The Hot Chick".

22 minutes ago, Carlos said:

I honestly don't care what Lorre's vision was or his intentions were or of TBBT still has a lot of viewers. For me, creatively speaking S1-6 were great and it was downhill from there to the point I will no longer watch S10. To me the show is creatively dead, and my opinion is the only one that matters, to me that is. I think it ultimately it is that way for all of us. All we care about is what each of us feel regardless of everything else.

While I thought 9x23 and 9x24 were a return to form in some aspects. I laughed out loud alot. I have to agree, BBT from  6x24 creatively speaking was over. Show makes so much revenue and money, it could go to Season 30. I felt Season 7 and 8 finalies were so bad, or irrelevant. That 8 and 9 just suffered as a consequence. I have such a bitter taste in my mouth after S8 horrendous season, 911 all over again. That it took me a while to even like a second of the episode. TPTB have hardend me somewhat 

[Tensor]

15 minutes ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

Yeah I agree, I should have said,  Amy and Leonard are roughly the same height.IDK why, they look alike to me. Lol. 

They have similar characteristics.  The reason they have so many clothes is simply that they had to hide their physicality.  Mayim is far from frumpy or ugly, and Johnny, in the early part of the show, was in damn good shape (he's gained a bit of weight so they may now be hiding the extra bit around the waist).  Each of the characters were known for particular clothing, so Amy and Leonard, who wear the most clothes in their costumes (and possibly Raj with his sweater vests), had that working against them also.  

[serena_1995]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

Funny you should mention that as it reminds me of the reaction my 18 year old daughter had to comments one of my friends has made that included assumptions contrasting genders and their typical interests. I suspect that when I was in my early 30s (the early 1990s) a degree of separate interests might have been taken for granted. Bill Prady is just a few months older than I am and Chuck Lorre is another 8 years older.

And yes, my daughter was not impressed.

I agree with you. The gender stereotyping in the show could be due to the age of the creators..

Edited June 27, 2016 by serena_nyc1995

[April]

3 hours ago, serena_nyc1995 said:

Another way to give Amy and Bernie more depth would be to give them their own stories outside of Howard and Sheldon. Bernie hasn't had a micro-biology related plot in 3 years and Amy has not had any scenes in her lab or related to her career or hobbies in a very long time. The girls are also excluded from movies, games, science based or work related discussion that the guys are having.While I like the girls' scenes,  I don't like the gender segregation and the way they separate the guys and girls on all things :/

Oh yes, I'd also love more science stories for the girls and I've yearned for ages to have the whole gang find a show or whatever that works for all of them. (Let it not be GoT because ugh 9x21 only shows this is a terrible show for the gang.)

Though I have to say that while relationship stories sucked up most of Amy's screen time in S9 overall they did a great job with her showing not only her workplace and the projects she was working on regularly but also establishing a ton of interests and hobbies - some that she shares with Sheldon, some that she enjoys for herself. So when one season isn't particularly focusing on that I can deal with it for now cause we have a solid foundation here and many of those things have at least been mentioned in passing during S9 suggesting it's all still there. But of course, now that her love life is sorted out for the most part please bring all of that back more prominently in S10!!

In contrast though Bernie feels like a complete blank slate. We know she likes science and... princesses?? and...???? uhm... hates kids, I guess? And her work is frequently summed up with "We accidentally created [deadly disease] but it's all good now!" like once a season. Idk if the baby storyline will show us a bit more of her but I would love to see at least one proper Bernie episode where we get to know her better. Also Melissa is great, give her something to do for once! lol

I will also say that I felt the writers are at least attempting some baby steps in reducing the "gender segregation". In S9 we've seen the girls casually discussing super hero movies, getting involved with the comic shop by helping Stuart, Amy liked Star Wars, Penny and Bernie helped the guys with their prototype, Bernie got to play DnD, and Idk if they all like GoT but at least they're watching it together. So that's like what? roughly 1/4th of the season with either mentions or hole stories where the girls do get involved with the guys' stuff. If the writers continue with that I certainly won't be complaining.