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1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

You may be right about what the writers feel, but if so I think that they don't know what they're doing. It may be in a sense an ensemble, but that doesn't mean that either characters or actors or relationships between characters are interchangeable. The couples all had different properties and functions. Penny and Leonard were the romantic couple, Penny was the romantic heroine, KC was the unchallenged leading lady. Bernadette and Howard were the domestic couple. Their story was first about sleazy Howard redeemed by the Love of a Good Woman, then about their homemaking and parenthood. That's why it would be pointless to also have P&L get a house of their own - that's been covered. Amy and Sheldon were a parody of a couple, Sheldon with no sex drive and Amy with no sex appeal or charm. More of a running gag - Amy always trying to enveigle Sheldon into being more "couply", Sheldon always escaping Amy's clutches.

Do you mean in general, or just season ten? I'm a huge fan of the show and I never saw Lenny as THE only possibility for a romantic couple. In the beginning all the guys were hot for her, not just Leonard, and I figured they'd all get romances at some point. She was not a heroine in the beginning, either. She was often dumb, or skanky or showing how mean she had been when she was younger. Then Lenny did get more romantic, and she learned to appreciate the nerdy guys, to the point of having two weddings, but they certainly have not been romantic much this year, unless you count the fantasy sequences. Howard and Bernie have changed a lot since they started but I agree there's no point in Lenny buying a house. As for Sheldon escaping Amy's clutches, while she's made it clear once she fell in love with him that she'd like more than she was getting, she never forced him into anything regarding sex, and twice when he was willing to have sex, the make a baby scene and the scene when they get back from Bernie's false alarm, they did not have sex. She never stalked him as I see it. They were friends, albeit through text messaging at first and then they fell in love.

Shamy are the new angle the writers want to go in, apparently, and I still think it's because they think they've done what they think they needed to do with Lenny. Whether I'm right or not, or whether they are right or not remains to be seen. There's a lot they could do with them individually, though, and I wish they would, mostly regarding Penny's job. And I do think they are going to finally do something with Raj next season. They'd better, as I see it. I used to like him but this season he was more of a failure than Stuart, who also needs a storyline where he finally succeeds at something. Maybe something to do with his art.

Meanwhile, on a new note, I'd love to see the show bring on this kid who just got his physics degree at 14 and is now supposedly the youngest person to ever do so to meet Sheldon. I think that would be amusing.
http://wgntv.com/2017/05/16/14-year-old-graduates-from-college-with-sights-set-on-graduate-school/

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33 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Shamy are the new angle the writers want to go in, apparently, and I still think it's because they think they've done what they think they needed to do with Lenny. Whether I'm right or not, or whether they are right or not remains to be seen. There's a lot they could do with them individually,

There are a lot of things the writers can do with Lenny as a couple if they just cared, but at the moment it is much more fun to write Shamy and Howardette plots. 

I think it is really a waste of money to have two actors standing behind the kitchen island or in the doorway for 48 episodes doin' nothing.

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4 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

There are a lot of things the writers can do with Lenny as a couple if they just cared, but at the moment it is much more fun to write Shamy and Howardette plots. 

I think it is really a waste of money to have two actors standing behind the kitchen island or in the doorway for 48 episodes doin' nothing.

I remember each actor most definitely doing something - something important - in the recent episodes.  

I remember the one getting the important punchlines.

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1 hour ago, sarah7 said:

And regarding Shamy taking the place of the main couple, well, since Sheldon had overpowered the whole show, it's only logical that his own personal/love story is also the one getting more attention and screentime.

 

Not sure that it is only logical. Sheldon was a unique comic creation, and IMO being in love doesn't fit well into his character. I suspect the writers have made his relationship central to his character because they couldn't think of anything better.

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27 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

Not sure that it is only logical. Sheldon was a unique comic creation, and IMO being in love doesn't fit well into his character. I suspect the writers have made his relationship central to his character because they couldn't think of anything better.

But pushing his boundaries has been part of the show from Day One.  

First with Leonard.

Then with Penny and, now, with Amy.

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22 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I remember each actor most definitely doing something - something important - in the recent episodes.  

I remember the one getting the important punchlines.

Punchlines don't equate to quality screen time.  Some of the best puchlines (IMO) in TBBT history have been delivered by Bernadette......

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1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Do you mean in general, or just season ten? I'm a huge fan of the show and I never saw Lenny as THE only possibility for a romantic couple. In the beginning all the guys were hot for her, not just Leonard, and I figured they'd all get romances at some point. She was not a heroine in the beginning, either. She was often dumb, or skanky or showing how mean she had been when she was younger. Then Lenny did get more romantic, and she learned to appreciate the nerdy guys, to the point of having two weddings, but they certainly have not been romantic much this year, unless you count the fantasy sequences. Howard and Bernie have changed a lot since they started but I agree there's no point in Lenny buying a house. As for Sheldon escaping Amy's clutches, while she's made it clear once she fell in love with him that she'd like more than she was getting, she never forced him into anything regarding sex, and twice when he was willing to have sex, the make a baby scene and the scene when they get back from Bernie's false alarm, they did not have sex. She never stalked him as I see it. They were friends, albeit through text messaging at first and then they fell in love.

Shamy are the new angle the writers want to go in, apparently, and I still think it's because they think they've done what they think they needed to do with Lenny. Whether I'm right or not, or whether they are right or not remains to be seen. There's a lot they could do with them individually, though, and I wish they would, mostly regarding Penny's job. And I do think they are going to finally do something with Raj next season. They'd better, as I see it. I used to like him but this season he was more of a failure than Stuart, who also needs a storyline where he finally succeeds at something. Maybe something to do with his art.

Meanwhile, on a new note, I'd love to see the show bring on this kid who just got his physics degree at 14 and is now supposedly the youngest person to ever do so to meet Sheldon. I think that would be amusing.
http://wgntv.com/2017/05/16/14-year-old-graduates-from-college-with-sights-set-on-graduate-school/

The heroine doesn't have to be perfect - just the female character whose romantic life is most significant. Surely Bridget Jones is the "heroine" of BJ's Diary?

No, L & P haven't been romantic much this season - that's my complaint.

There was an episode where Amy had flu, and Sheldon had to look after her. I can't remember which it was or identify it. When Amy was better she didn't tell Sheldon because she was getting her jollies from his helping her in the bath and rubbing her chest with vapor rub. Sheldon found out she was faking, but never knew it was for the sexual thrills - A just told him "it's been so nice having you look after me".  Bernadette knew A was exploiting innocent S for sexual gratification but never told anyone else apparently. There's a lot of info about Amy that hasn't been shared.

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9 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Punchlines don't equate to quality screen time.  Some of the best puchlines (IMO) in TBBT history have been delivered by Bernadette......

I agree about screen time, but not about Bernadette.

I'm also not ready to say that Leonard and Penny just stood behind the kitchen counter and didn't do anything.

7 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

The heroine doesn't have to be perfect - just the female character whose romantic life is most significant. Surely Bridget Jones is the "heroine" of BJ's Diary?

No, L & P haven't been romantic much this season - that's my complaint.

There was an episode where Amy had flu, and Sheldon had to look after her. I can't remember which it was or identify it. When Amy was better she didn't tell Sheldon because she was getting her jollies from his helping her in the bath and rubbing her chest with vapor rub. Sheldon found out she was faking, but never knew it was for the sexual thrills - A just told him "it's been so nice having you look after me".  Bernadette knew A was exploiting innocent S for sexual gratification but never told anyone else apparently. There's a lot of info about Amy that hasn't been shared.

That sneeky bitch!

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2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Do you mean in general, or just season ten? I'm a huge fan of the show and I never saw Lenny as THE only possibility for a romantic couple. In the beginning all the guys were hot for her, not just Leonard, and I figured they'd all get romances at some point.

Really?  Even Sheldon in the beginning?  Can you specify the beginning?   Because I didn't see Sheldon getting anyone at all prior to season four.    

 

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

She (Penny) was not a heroine in the beginning, either. She was often dumb, or skanky or showing how mean she had been when she was younger. Then Lenny did get more romantic, and she learned to appreciate the nerdy guys, to the point of having two weddings,

Can you specify what you mean by the beginning?  I don't remember Penny being overtly dumb in the beginning.  Here and there, yes, but it was balanced by her obvious greater knowledge about pop culture than the guys.  As for skanky, and mean, can you give examples, within your definition of the beginning.  I really don't remember them having her be those (not to mention, what exactly is skanky) before the midpoint of season four, that's hardly the beginning.

 In the beginning, she had just gotten out of a four year relationship, then started dating a guy, who she got rid of after he wrote about their sex life.  Dated Leonard, even left one guy at her door.  At one point in the second season, she hadn't had sex for six months.  Dated Stuart twice.   So, I'm really wondering where the idea that she was skanky in the beginning comes from.  

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Meanwhile, on a new note, I'd love to see the show bring on this kid who just got his physics degree at 14 and is now supposedly the youngest person to ever do so to meet Sheldon. I think that would be amusing.
http://wgntv.com/2017/05/16/14-year-old-graduates-from-college-with-sights-set-on-graduate-school/

Why?  They've been there, done that before (See The Jerusalem Duality).  

 

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5 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I agree about screen time, but not about Bernadette.

I'm also not ready to say that Leonard and Penny just stood behind the kitchen counter and didn't do anything.

That sneeky bitch!

What did Leonard and Penny accomplish in season 10, besides their redo ?

 

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27 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

What did Leonard and Penny accomplish in season 10, besides their redo ?

They managed to keep Sheldon out of 4A?

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6 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

The "HR Woman" was called Mrs Davis, and was quite a significant character, altho' she only appeared in 4 episodes. Pity we don't see her any more. I think she'd be more fun than Bert, for example.

Yeah. I didn't do a find and replace. No disrespect intended. I just think that's a good example of what Sheldon believes. He might modify his actions for special cases in response to pain stimuli (Amy telling him off etc) but I feel he doesn't then generalise from those exceptions.  I believe this is an example of his default world view. The show told me so.

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2 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

Not sure that it is only logical. Sheldon was a unique comic creation, and IMO being in love doesn't fit well into his character. I suspect the writers have made his relationship central to his character because they couldn't think of anything better.

Yes that's been the case for years so guess what they'll probably keep doing that for the next two seasons, which means Shamy will continue to be the center for the next two years despite how much some of us loathe that. 

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Well the tone of the show significantly shifted when they started revolving the show around Shamy. But to be honest Sheldon is the central focus of the show. Not Shamy. Amy just happens to be sharing alot of screentime with Sheldon. They have rewritten Cannon with Sheldon so much now. I suspect they did make relationship central to his character. Because well they decided to develop his character. And not thinking of anything better. Seems to me that all Sheldon is these days. Seems to put puppies, and Taylor Swift lol. Before Science and preserving the knowledge. Sheldon has turned into just another conventional sitcom character. He is Joey! haha. And with Amy most likely saying yes to Sheldon. They well continue to control the tone and overall premise of the show. The rest of the audience. Lenny shippers, Non Shippers e.t.c. Don't really get anything out of watching this show anymore. 

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2 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Well the tone of the show significantly shifted when they started revolving the show around Shamy. But to be honest Sheldon is the central focus of the show. Not Shamy. Amy just happens to be sharing alot of screentime with Sheldon. They have rewritten Cannon with Sheldon so much now. I suspect they did make relationship central to his character. Because well they decided to develop his character. And not thinking of anything better. Seems to me that all Sheldon is these days. Seems to put puppies, and Taylor Swift lol. Before Science and preserving the knowledge. Sheldon has turned into just another conventional sitcom character. He is Joey! haha. And with Amy most likely saying yes to Sheldon. They well continue to control the tone and overall premise of the show. The rest of the audience. Lenny shippers, Non Shippers e.t.c. Don't really get anything out of watching this show anymore. 

Amy has also spent more time with Penny this season (well it feels like that) and the season benefited greatly from that imo.

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5 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

What did Leonard and Penny accomplish in season 10, besides their redo ?

 

I agree with you that they did not get enough screen time.

But they did a whole lot more than just stand behind the kitchen counter.

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2 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I agree with you that they did not get enough screen time.

But they did a whole lot more than just stand behind the kitchen counter.

The Christmas Tree vignettes were fun. Could have been fleshed out a lot, but it was a funny idea. That's all that sticks from my casual viewing. But Oz is still @10.14 I think.

Two stations have the rights. One has the syndicated series 1-7 (I think) the other has first run rights to 8-10. And they are holding off on 10. So it seems to me that in this market the value of TBBT is diminished, otherwise they'd let them loose fast to grab the advertising bucks quick, before piracy - because the stations are financially challenged now.

There could be other reasons. Still, they are damned slow on the new releases. One wonders.

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2 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

The Christmas Tree vignettes were fun. Could have been fleshed out a lot, but it was a funny idea. That's all that sticks from my casual viewing. But Oz is still @10.14 I think.

Two stations have the rights. One has the syndicated series 1-8 (I think) the other has first run rights to 10. And they are holding off on 10. So it seems to me that in this market the value of TBBT is diminished, otherwise they let them loose fast to grab the advertising bucks quick before piracy - because the stations are finiancially challenged now.

There could be other reasons. Still, they are damned slow on the new releases. One wonders.

Other then the Christmas Tree Sequence. Which imo was funniest scene of the season. Lenny diddn't do much. Two episodes they did have centred around them were weak at best. 

Over here the Season Finalie 10x24 airs here tonight. So us Kiwis ahead of you aussies their :D. 

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They managed to keep Sheldon out of 4A?

No that didn't work either Sheldon ended up on the couch

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Sheldon seemed to in an emergency go back to 4A. Like Bev said he does use 4A as an almost escape from Amy. The Escape Hatch Identification :sarcastichand:

Lenny really need to change the locks next season :icon_cheesygrin:.

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16 minutes ago, legacy99 said:


No that didn't work either Sheldon ended up on the couch

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He took a nap on the couch, he went back home to 4B with Amy at the end of the episode.

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He still got into 4A.  Even moved someone from off the street into 4A.  

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7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

And I do think they are going to finally do something with Raj next season. They'd better, as I see it. I used to like him but this season he was more of a failure than Stuart, who also needs a storyline where he finally succeeds at something. Maybe something to do with his art.

I don't see Stuart as needing a win.  He's the kind of peripheral character that can be nothing more than the butt of jokes forever.  Or he can somehow strike it rich in the final episode and run off with whoever will be the most famous sex symbol for nerds at the time.

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1 hour ago, Enrico Fermi said:

I don't see Stuart as needing a win.  He's the kind of peripheral character that can be nothing more than the butt of jokes forever.  Or he can somehow strike it rich in the final episode and run off with whoever will be the most famous sex symbol for nerds at the time.

It seems his downward trajectory got going at Howard's bachelor party.

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18 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I think it is really a waste of money to have two actors standing behind the kitchen island or in the doorway for 48 episodes doin' nothing.

They made an agreement with the actors and they will uphold it. They have to. In the meantime, the actors are making a ton of money hanging out with people they like, doing very little work. I wish that could happen to me.

 

17 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

Surely Bridget Jones is the "heroine" of BJ's Diary?

I don't know. I haven't seen it.

 

17 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

Sheldon found out she was faking, but never knew it was for the sexual thrills - A just told him "it's been so nice having you look after me". 

She would certainly I assume have been happy to get sex from him at that point, but was not insisting on it. She just wanted attention, and the physical contact was a bonus as i saw it. Vicks Vapo Rub is not sexy. It's just not.

 

17 hours ago, Tensor said:

Can you specify what you mean by the beginning?  I don't remember Penny being overtly dumb in the beginning.  Here and there, yes, but it was balanced by her obvious greater knowledge about pop culture than the guys.  As for skanky, and mean, can you give examples, within your definition of the beginning.

It's not my definition. It's what I've seen the writers run with. Penny's sexual history has been a running gag on the part of the writers many times on this show and so has the fact that she's not that smart. I think they have let it go somewhat to play up the "Leonard wore her down angle" but I still think they believe it. Pop Culture not not necessarily make you a smart person.

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