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[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

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Sheldon seemed to in an emergency go back to 4A. Like Bev said he does use 4A as an almost escape from Amy. The Escape Hatch Identification :sarcastichand:

Lenny really need to change the locks next season :icon_cheesygrin:.

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16 minutes ago, legacy99 said:


No that didn't work either Sheldon ended up on the couch

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He took a nap on the couch, he went back home to 4B with Amy at the end of the episode.

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7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

And I do think they are going to finally do something with Raj next season. They'd better, as I see it. I used to like him but this season he was more of a failure than Stuart, who also needs a storyline where he finally succeeds at something. Maybe something to do with his art.

I don't see Stuart as needing a win.  He's the kind of peripheral character that can be nothing more than the butt of jokes forever.  Or he can somehow strike it rich in the final episode and run off with whoever will be the most famous sex symbol for nerds at the time.

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1 hour ago, Enrico Fermi said:

I don't see Stuart as needing a win.  He's the kind of peripheral character that can be nothing more than the butt of jokes forever.  Or he can somehow strike it rich in the final episode and run off with whoever will be the most famous sex symbol for nerds at the time.

It seems his downward trajectory got going at Howard's bachelor party.

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18 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I think it is really a waste of money to have two actors standing behind the kitchen island or in the doorway for 48 episodes doin' nothing.

They made an agreement with the actors and they will uphold it. They have to. In the meantime, the actors are making a ton of money hanging out with people they like, doing very little work. I wish that could happen to me.

 

17 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

Surely Bridget Jones is the "heroine" of BJ's Diary?

I don't know. I haven't seen it.

 

17 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

Sheldon found out she was faking, but never knew it was for the sexual thrills - A just told him "it's been so nice having you look after me". 

She would certainly I assume have been happy to get sex from him at that point, but was not insisting on it. She just wanted attention, and the physical contact was a bonus as i saw it. Vicks Vapo Rub is not sexy. It's just not.

 

17 hours ago, Tensor said:

Can you specify what you mean by the beginning?  I don't remember Penny being overtly dumb in the beginning.  Here and there, yes, but it was balanced by her obvious greater knowledge about pop culture than the guys.  As for skanky, and mean, can you give examples, within your definition of the beginning.

It's not my definition. It's what I've seen the writers run with. Penny's sexual history has been a running gag on the part of the writers many times on this show and so has the fact that she's not that smart. I think they have let it go somewhat to play up the "Leonard wore her down angle" but I still think they believe it. Pop Culture not not necessarily make you a smart person.

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1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

 

 

It's not my definition. It's what I've seen the writers run with. Penny's sexual history has been a running gag on the part of the writers many times on this show and so has the fact that she's not that smart. I think they have let it go somewhat to play up the "Leonard wore her down angle" but I still think they believe it. Pop Culture not not necessarily make you a smart person.

Being smart academically doesn't make you smart either.

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1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

It's not my definition. 

 

You said, "In the beginning".   All I was asking is for your definition of "in the begininning". 

 

1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

It's what I've seen the writers run with. Penny's sexual history has been a running gag on the part of the writers many times on this show and so has the fact that she's not that smart..

 

I didn't disagree with you about this.  However, I asked about the timing.  I don't remember them pushing Penny' sexual activity until season four, you said "in the beginning.  All I was asking was what you considered in the beginning and examples during that time.   And again, it wasn't that she wasn't smart, as much as she didn't understand the physics. My wife is very much like Penny in this.  She never got the Physics or technical aspects of my job, i would never make the mistake of thinking she's not smart. 

Also, what about her sexual history makes her activity skanky?  What exactly is the definition of skanky? 

 
1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

 Pop Culture not not necessarily make you a smart person.

Neither does a college degree or even multiple degrees make someone a smart person.  

ETA  Chrismo beat me to this. 

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7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

1) They made an agreement with the actors and they will uphold it. They have to. In the meantime, the actors are making a ton of money hanging out with people they like, doing very little work. I wish that could happen to me.

2) I don't know. I haven't seen it.

3) She would certainly I assume have been happy to get sex from him at that point, but was not insisting on it. She just wanted attention, and the physical contact was a bonus as I saw it. Vicks Vapo Rub is not sexy. It's just not.

4) It's not my definition. It's what I've seen the writers run with. Penny's sexual history has been a running gag on the part of the writers many times on this show and so has the fact that she's not that smart.  I think they have let it go somewhat to play up the "Leonard wore her down angle" but I still think they believe it. Pop Culture does not necessarily make you a smart person.

1) Of course, I agree with you. But people in Johnny's or Kaley's position might think differently. Having reached a point in their acting career where they have actually achieved something , I think that besides the money they would also like for their roles to be rewarding artistically. That being said who can say no to 24 million per season? Not very many people, and the fact of the matter is they didn't.

2) I think the point he was trying to make (using the Bridget Jones reference) is that the romantic heroine can be flawed.

3) In normal circumstances I would agree. I will say, however, that in this case , and that episode, for Amy both the Vicks rubbing and the spanking were sexual for her. The Vicks because Sheldon was rubbing her chest, and the spanking... well... because all the sexual connotations of spanking.

4) But the beginning is the beginning. It is not a personal definition. You can call the beginning S1, maybe a part of S2 but not further than that. Besides, I believe the problem is that writers want to hammer an idea home, like Penny's sexual history and her dumbness, but then introduce lots of examples in canon where they contradict themselves (I believe Tensor was referring to those). I know, it would be much easier to ascertain one way or the other if they paid any attention to continuity.

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1 hour ago, Carlos said:

But the beginning is the beginning. It is not a personal definition. You can call the beginning S1, maybe a part of S2 but not further than that. Besides, I believe the problem is that writers want to hammer an idea home, like Penny's sexual history and her dumbness, but then introduce lots of examples in canon where they contradict themselves (I believe Tensor was referring to those). I know, it would be much easier to ascertain one way or the other if they paid any attention to continuity.

I'll have to go pull out my DVD but I can't right now because I'm leaving to get a crown on my tooth. But I totally agree with you about continuity. I'm not trying to argue with anyone or insult anyone but as I used to say often, these writers are like Christopher Columbus to me. He didn't know where he was going, when he got there he didn't know where he was and when he got back he didn't know where he'd been and they seem to be the same way.

Separate issue because it happened much later...Does anyone else find it strange that when Sheldon was talking about how many men he saw entering Penny's apartment and leaving in the morning or the number of time she came home wearing the same clothes as the night before, that he did NOT contradict him and say that never happened? The problem for me with a lot of things that become plot points on this show are things that are not seen.

As for Sheldon at the beginning, which I didn't get a chance to answer before, I didn't see him having a relationship later immediately, but I didn't think he'd be able to go on exactly the same for however many years the show went on.

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24 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I'll have to go pull out my DVD but I can't right now because I'm leaving to get a crown on my tooth. But I totally agree with you about continuity. I'm not trying to argue with anyone or insult anyone but as I used to say often, these writers are like Christopher Columbus to me. He didn't know where he was going, when he got there he didn't know where he was and when he got back he didn't know where he'd been and they seem to be the same way.

Separate issue because it happened much later...Does anyone else find it strange that when Sheldon was talking about how many men he saw entering Penny's apartment and leaving in the morning or the number of time she came home wearing the same clothes as the night before, that he did NOT contradict him and say that never happened? The problem for me with a lot of things that become plot points on this show are things that are not seen.

As for Sheldon at the beginning, which I didn't get a chance to answer before, I didn't see him having a relationship later immediately, but I didn't think he'd be able to go on exactly the same for however many years the show went on.

Thank you! The part of your post I bolded is just a perfect way to describe the writers!

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14 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Other then the Christmas Tree Sequence. Which imo was funniest scene of the season. Lenny diddn't do much. Two episodes they did have centred around them were weak at best. 

Over here the Season Finalie 10x24 airs here tonight. So us Kiwis ahead of you aussies their :D. 

I agree with you that the Christmas tree plot was Lenny funniest scene of the whole season, other than that not much was going on with our Lenny and those other few plots they had was very poorly written. 

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2 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

I agree with you that the Christmas tree plot was Lenny funniest scene of the whole season, other than that not much was going on with our Lenny and those other few plots they had was very poorly written. 

And what did it contain?  A fight/argument......

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2 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

And what did it contain?  A fight/argument......

Yes, Wasn't that Lenny season 10. :icon_biggrin:

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14 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

And what did it contain?  A fight/argument......

As did Veracity Elasticity (my favorite Lenny episode of the season for its playfulness and comedy).

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As did "The Romance Recalibration", as did "The Emotion Detection Automation".  Fights, fights and more fights, for Leonard and Penny.  It was soooooooo, much fun.  The comedy didn't make up for it, as the fighting killed the comedy for me.  

 

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5 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Being smart academically doesn't make you smart either.

Which Sheldon pointed out to Penny. She's not academically inclined, but has the kind of intelligence he sometimes wishes he had. He still wanders into traffic.

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5 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

 

 

 

You said, "In the beginning".   All I was asking is for your definition of "in the begininning". 

 

 

I didn't disagree with you about this.  However, I asked about the timing.  I don't remember them pushing Penny' sexual activity until season four, you said "in the beginning.  All I was asking was what you considered in the beginning and examples during that time.   And again, it wasn't that she wasn't smart, as much as she didn't understand the physics. My wife is very much like Penny in this.  She never got the Physics or technical aspects of my job, i would never make the mistake of thinking she's not smart. 

Also, what about her sexual history makes her activity skanky?  What exactly is the definition of skanky? 

 
 

Neither does a college degree or even multiple degrees make someone a smart person.  

ETA  Chrismo beat me to this. 

I also feel that the writers have beaten this horse to death on Pennys sexual history and promiscuity.  And also Sheldon's barbs about all the men she has been with. Think they should just drop this dialogue altogether, especially now that she is married. Leonard should stand up for his wife when Sheldon makes these comments.

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Well i think it was 10.04 Sheldon out right called Penny a slut. And Leonard just stood their and took it lol. Seems to me some justify it because it is cannon or whatever. But its not anymore. That Dialogue is so out of date and passe. I remember they used to make Penny say I have a promiscious past jokes. Till they dropped them. So maybe the show well grasp that the audience are not responding positively and drop them. Sheldon gets away with murder though every single time. 

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11 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

But I totally agree with you about continuity. I'm not trying to argue with anyone or insult anyone but as I used to say often, these writers are like Christopher Columbus to me. He didn't know where he was going, when he got there he didn't know where he was and when he got back he didn't know where he'd been and they seem to be the same way.

Perhaps, but what they do seem to know is how to make people laugh and wanta watch TBBT. I think if they viewed continuity as important they would be more careful about it. They are competent in what they are doing or most of us would not be here.

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6 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

Perhaps, but what they do seem to know is how to make people laugh and wanta watch TBBT. I think if they viewed continuity as important they would be more careful about it. They are competent in what they are doing or most of us would not be here.

Well as writers if they don't consider continuity important. Well they are not doing their jobs properly tbh. If it is just about comedy. Why bother developing the characters? Why bother evolving Sheldon into "He turns into a real boy" Narrative. I mean why not just have the guys sit their playing video games? To be quite honest that would be a refreshing change of pace lol. Seems to me continuity is important 

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1 minute ago, 3ku11 said:

Well as writers if they don't consider continuity important. Well they are not doing their jobs properly tbh. If it is just about comedy. Why bother developing the characters? Why bother evolving Sheldon into "He turns into a real boy" Narrative. I mean why not just have the guys sit their playing video games? To be quite honest that would be a refreshing change of pace lol. Seems to me continuity is important 

What they did worked. More people tuned into their sitcom than any other in the last few years.. We all know there are inconsistencies but that is not atypical on TV.  There is no prize for the most consistent story. Ultimately they want people watching and entertained so they will come back for more. 

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10 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Perhaps, but what they do seem to know is how to make people laugh and wanta watch TBBT. I think if they viewed continuity as important they would be more careful about it. They are competent in what they are doing or most of us would not be here.

Continuity becomes important when there are many seasons. After all, you're  telling a story. I understand if they don't follow up on a story just used for laughs, like "The Table Polarization", but not when it involves character assassination. It undermines our suspension of disbelief.

The writers were competent. I don't think they longer are. I'm here because I love the characters, and TBH, lately, because I like the people here (well... most of them anyway) and I like the exchange of ideas and opinions. I prefer being here than watching the show nowadays.

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8 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Which Sheldon pointed out to Penny. She's not academically inclined, but has the kind of intelligence he sometimes wishes he had. He still wanders into traffic.

And the gang keeps stopping him...

To paraphrase Zack "are we sure any of them are smart"

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I've even stopped watching the early seasons reruns because i know what has happen to the characters and the show

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