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12 hours ago, April said:

Not to mention a lot of jokes are written on the fly while taping the episode. I can imagine quite a few "continuity errors" happen that way because the priority is to make the studio audience laugh so they don't have time to check for any and every inconsistency.

Makes you wonder why the cast don't say something when they read discontinuity in the script or when a joke gets inserted on the night. It wouldn't have taken up any time for Penny to say 'Ramona now she's a doctor' rather than 'This Doctor Ramona chick' so why wouldn't Kaley say at the table-read or whenever it was written, 'I remember saying "Holy crap on a cracker" when she was here before so shouldn't Penny say x or y to show she recognises her ?'. It was such a memorable episode she can't have forgotten.

When they were having dinner if they could have let Ramona answer,'Sorry, you were speaking so I thought you were drunk' it would have established the continuity after Raj said,'I think you made that very clear' and got some reaction. She could sound catty to get our backs up or pretend-sweet to ingratiate herself with the group to make us even more suspicious.

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1 hour ago, Carlos said:

The problem, at least for me is that they ignore major continuity as well, all for the sake of a joke. Sometimes the situation is so contrived that it ends up not being funny. IMO some jokes are tired and old, and have overstayed their welcome due to mindless repetition.

The problem with that is that they don't care what you or I think is funny - the benchmark is first and foremost the live audience in the studio. As long as they are still laughing at the same old jokes those jokes won't be written out or at least not dropped with any sense of urgency.

11 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Makes you wonder why the cast don't say something when they read discontinuity in the script or when a joke gets inserted on the night. It wouldn't have taken up any time for Penny to say 'Ramona now she's a doctor' rather than 'This Doctor Ramona chick' so why wouldn't Kaley say at the table-read or whenever it was written, 'I remember saying "Holy crap on a cracker" when she was here before so shouldn't Penny say x or y to show she recognises her ?'. It was such a memorable episode she can't have forgotten.

When they were having dinner if they could have let Ramona answer,'Sorry, you were speaking so I thought you were drunk' it would have established the continuity after Raj said,'I think you made that very clear' and got some reaction. She could sound catty to get our backs up or pretend-sweet to ingratiate herself with the group to make us even more suspicious.

Because, quite frankly, the actors don't remember every line or continuity detail as much as we do. They don't watch the show and sometimes they don't even know which scene or what line actually made the cut. They learn their scripts one week and forget most about it when they have to learn the next one. Remembering what they said 8 years ago is a stretch for pretty much anyone. I remember 8 years ago I was still in university but I couldn't even tell you what courses I had at that time without looking them up.

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It's memorable to us.  Unless it means something special to the actor, they forget about it at the table read the next day.   If I'm doing another show right away, the previous show is gone in less than two weeks.   

In some cases, they may not even memorize their lines.   My last show, I had few enough lines that I could read the scene, several times, just before we rehearsed it, and could remember it long enough to do the scene.  

I'm willing to bet that unless there is some sort of large paragraph, most of them could do that, and get through the scene.  Then repeat that a couple of time.  There have been comments on rehearsals (and even shows) where scripts hidden, on set, while they do the scene.  This leads me to believe they are going over their lines long enough to get through the scene.  You don't, however, retain a lot for any length of time when you do that.    

ETA:  Well, April beat me to it, but at least my insight may help.  

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It is up to the writers to maintain continuity not the Actors anyway. 

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13 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

 ...But it seems their story is over. The Narrative is now Shamy. 

I'm sad. I sympathise with the contingent that don't want stereotypes - but the nerd getting the girl isn't really that over done. Usually the nerd just pines and withers.  The girl nerd however, is under done. 

Amy may represent a population that hasn't been greatly featured. I don't want to step on that so much as regret that that stepped on the thing that I wanted. 

cest la vie, peut etre. (Franglais version)

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15 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

There is so, so much more to be explored with the nerd now that he has the girl.  The thing is people have to be willing to go that route. To think about and write storylines that would tell that sort of story.  We have seen the girl experience growth and knowledge about treating others in a more respectful way.  We could see the nerd learn to not look down on people of lesser intelligence (he has somewhat, but can go futher).  We could look at the couple grow together and mature and live their lives as a happily married couple instead of bickering; instead of witnessing writing that goes for the quickest, easiest laugh.

This television show is more than well-established. It has reached the point where it is now (wait for it---) legendary. Now is the time to flex some storytelling muscles. To show us something that we have not seen. Is there a chance of being cancelled in the next two years? Hardly. People (TPTB) need to become brave.  People (TPTB) need to expand their horizons.  The Big Bang Theory is a 2,000 pound gorilla.  Perhaps it is time they act the part and take on all comers.  Make Raj bi-sexual and bring us along on his journey.  Show us Halley being a toddler running around and touching Sheldon's things (wouldn't that be a hoot).  Show us why Penny calls Leonard the love of her life. Show us that he didn't wear her down, he made her comfortable admitting who and what she loved.   It is time for TPTB to grow a pair.  People whine about OITNB winning awards?  The star of Transparent has won the last two Emmy Awards for best actor in a comedy?  Pull up your pants and be big boys and girls.  Take them on!

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18 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

There is so, so much more to be explored with the nerd now that he has the girl.  The thing is people have to be willing to go that route. To think about and write storylines that would tell that sort of story.  We have seen the girl experience growth and knowledge about treating others in a more respectful way.  We could see the nerd learn to not look down on people of lesser intelligence (he has somewhat, but can go futher).  We could look at the couple grow together and mature and live their lives as a happily married couple instead of bickering; instead of witnessing writing that goes for the quickest, easiest laugh.

This television show is more than well-established. It has reached the point where it is now (wait for it---) legendary. Now is the time to flex some storytelling muscles. To show us something that we have not seen. Is there a chance of being cancelled in the next two years? Hardly. People (TPTB) need to become brave.  People (TPTB) need to expand their horizons.  The Big Bang Theory is a 2,000 pound gorilla.  Perhaps it is time they act the part and take on all comers.  Make Raj bi-sexual and bring us along on his journey.  Show us Halley being a toddler running around and touching Sheldon's things (wouldn't that be a hoot).  Show us why Penny calls Leonard the love of her life. Show us that he didn't wear her down, he made her comfortable admitting who and what she loved.   It is time for TPTB to grow a pair.  People whine about OITNB winning awards?  The star of Transparent has won the last two Emmy Awards for best actor in a comedy?  Pull up your pants and be big boys and girls.  Take them on!

Hell yeah!

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3 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

It is up to the writers to maintain continuity not the Actors anyway. 

Of course it is. Not being an actor myself, apart from playing Archangel Gabriel in a school play in 1961, I have always wondered why actors don't correct mistakes in scripts. After all, they're the ones saying the words while having to sound as if they mean them even when they're wrong. Now I know.

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42 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Of course it is. Not being an actor myself, apart from playing Archangel Gabriel in a school play in 1961, I have always wondered why actors don't correct mistakes in scripts. After all, they're the ones saying the words while having to sound as if they mean them even when they're wrong. Now I know.

I think that the actors might be more involved "detecting" problems with their characters rather than with continuity errors in the plot. Some days ago in an interview, for example, Jim Parsons said once in an early seasons episode Penny was supposed to put a hand on Sheldon's shoulder while exiting a door  and he suggested that Sheldon at that point would have gone bat-crap crazy about it so it was better not to do that. Probably all actors had a "no, that is wrong" moment, not about plots points or continuity errors, but about small acting choices.

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53 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I think that the actors might be more involved "detecting" problems with their characters rather than with continuity errors in the plot. Some days ago in an interview, for example, Jim Parsons said once in an early season episode Penny was supposed to put a hand on Sheldon's shoulder while exiting a door  and he suggested that Sheldon at that point would have gone bat-crap crazy about it so it was better not to do that. Probably all actors had a "no, that is wrong" moment, not about plots points or continuity errors, but about small acting choices.

It is great when the actors are listen. They are better than anyone to know how they should process some feelings from the script as they have been for years performing that specific character. Continuity would be great but most of times it doesnt result in any major damage, mostly result in some silly jokes. A behavior  from the character that might turn very ooc  is something really annoying imo. For moments the viewer stop to believe in the character as they were real and that is a very important point from viewer for the sucess of the scene/ storyplot imo.

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1 hour ago, hokie3457 said:

There is so, so much more to be explored with the nerd now that he has the girl.  The thing is people have to be willing to go that route. To think about and write storylines that would tell that sort of story.  We have seen the girl experience growth and knowledge about treating others in a more respectful way.  We could see the nerd learn to not look down on people of lesser intelligence (he has somewhat, but can go futher).  We could look at the couple grow together and mature and live their lives as a happily married couple instead of bickering; instead of witnessing writing that goes for the quickest, easiest laugh.

This television show is more than well-established. It has reached the point where it is now (wait for it---) legendary. Now is the time to flex some storytelling muscles. To show us something that we have not seen. Is there a chance of being cancelled in the next two years? Hardly. People (TPTB) need to become brave.  People (TPTB) need to expand their horizons.  The Big Bang Theory is a 2,000 pound gorilla.  Perhaps it is time they act the part and take on all comers.  Make Raj bi-sexual and bring us along on his journey.  Show us Halley being a toddler running around and touching Sheldon's things (wouldn't that be a hoot).  Show us why Penny calls Leonard the love of her life. Show us that he didn't wear her down, he made her comfortable admitting who and what she loved.   It is time for TPTB to grow a pair.  People whine about OITNB winning awards?  The star of Transparent has won the last two Emmy Awards for best actor in a comedy?  Pull up your pants and be big boys and girls.  Take them on!

I like this.  A lot.

I think one problem is that [WARNING: my usual rant] not enough was done to portray Penny as a great catch and not just a cute - but failed - actor and a waitress.  She should have been portrayed as dating at least one impressive guy.  Not just because it would have depicted her as more desirable, but also to position her better in contradistinction to Leonard, who had affairs/relationships with lawyers, physicians, scholars, etc.  He had enough sex to destroy the meme that he's a geek who can't get a date.  Penny should have, at least, dated one of the Anaheim Angels for a few episodes, or someone interesting.  

As I've said many times, I LOVE how the writers depict Penny as being intelligent, just not scholarly.  Use it!

As I've also said, I think getting her working at a local news 'on location' team would be a really good fit for her.  Not necessarily in front of the camera, but occasionally that would be an option.  It is not completely improbable for someone like her to have such work.  And it would give her jokes about working weird hours covering weird stories.

As you said - Be BOLD!

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7 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I like this.  A lot.

I think one problem is that [WARNING: my usual rant] not enough was done to portray Penny as a great catch and not just a cute - but failed - actor and a waitress.  She should have been portrayed as dating at least one impressive guy.  Not just because it would have depicted her as more desirable, but also to position her better in contradistinction to Leonard, who had affairs/relationships with lawyers, physicians, scholars, etc.  He had enough sex to destroy the meme that he's a geek who can't get a date.  Penny should have, at least, dated one of the Anaheim Angels for a few episodes, or someone interesting.  

As I've said many times, I LOVE how the writers depict Penny as being intelligent, just not scholarly.  Use it!

As I've also said, I think getting her working at a local news 'on location' team would be a really good fit for her.  Not necessarily in front of the camera, but occasionally that would be an option.  It is not completely improbable for someone like her to have such work.  And it would give her jokes about working weird hours covering weird stories.

As you said - Be BOLD!

Agree with your rant!  The rest of the television world is taking chances.  Shaking things up while (let's face it) TBBT is staying "old school".  What do they have to lose?  I think by taking giant steps out of the old school would result in energizing the actors; maybe even the writers.  "Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'; Plannin' and dreamin' " as the old song goes.... 

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18 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I like this.  A lot.

I think one problem is that [WARNING: my usual rant] not enough was done to portray Penny as a great catch and not just a cute - but failed - actor and a waitress.  She should have been portrayed as dating at least one impressive guy.  Not just because it would have depicted her as more desirable, but also to position her better in contradistinction to Leonard, who had affairs/relationships with lawyers, physicians, scholars, etc.  He had enough sex to destroy the meme that he's a geek who can't get a date.  Penny should have, at least, dated one of the Anaheim Angels for a few episodes, or someone interesting.  

As I've said many times, I LOVE how the writers depict Penny as being intelligent, just not scholarly.  Use it!

As I've also said, I think getting her working at a local news 'on location' team would be a really good fit for her.  Not necessarily in front of the camera, but occasionally that would be an option.  It is not completely improbable for someone like her to have such work.  And it would give her jokes about working weird hours covering weird stories.

As you said - Be BOLD!

I like to give you a spot on too!

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2 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

There is so, so much more to be explored with the nerd now that he has the girl.  The thing is people have to be willing to go that route. To think about and write storylines that would tell that sort of story.  We have seen the girl experience growth and knowledge about treating others in a more respectful way.  We could see the nerd learn to not look down on people of lesser intelligence (he has somewhat, but can go futher).  We could look at the couple grow together and mature and live their lives as a happily married couple instead of bickering; instead of witnessing writing that goes for the quickest, easiest laugh.

This television show is more than well-established. It has reached the point where it is now (wait for it---) legendary. Now is the time to flex some storytelling muscles. To show us something that we have not seen. Is there a chance of being cancelled in the next two years? Hardly. People (TPTB) need to become brave.  People (TPTB) need to expand their horizons.  The Big Bang Theory is a 2,000 pound gorilla.  Perhaps it is time they act the part and take on all comers.  Make Raj bi-sexual and bring us along on his journey.  Show us Halley being a toddler running around and touching Sheldon's things (wouldn't that be a hoot).  Show us why Penny calls Leonard the love of her life. Show us that he didn't wear her down, he made her comfortable admitting who and what she loved.   It is time for TPTB to grow a pair.  People whine about OITNB winning awards?  The star of Transparent has won the last two Emmy Awards for best actor in a comedy?  Pull up your pants and be big boys and girls.  Take them on!

This is a great post! I especially like "We could look at the couple grow together and mature and live their lives as a happily married couple..." AND this could still be funny. 

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45 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

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She's good at that.

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1 hour ago, Capt. Hilts said:

 

I think one problem is that [WARNING: my usual rant] not enough was done to portray Penny as a great catch and not just a cute - but failed - actor and a waitress.  She should have been portrayed as dating at least one impressive guy.  Not just because it would have depicted her as more desirable, but also to position her better in contradistinction to Leonard, who had affairs/relationships with lawyers, physicians, scholars, etc. 

But that makes you tie Penny's (self-)worth to a man. Penny is Penny because she's funny, pretty, street-wise and (mostly) can handle the geek-world even though she doesn't belong to it (or like it much).

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2 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

There is so, so much more to be explored with the nerd now that he has the girl.  The thing is people have to be willing to go that route. To think about and write storylines that would tell that sort of story.  We have seen the girl experience growth and knowledge about treating others in a more respectful way.  We could see the nerd learn to not look down on people of lesser intelligence (he has somewhat, but can go futher).  We could look at the couple grow together and mature and live their lives as a happily married couple instead of bickering; instead of witnessing writing that goes for the quickest, easiest laugh.

This television show is more than well-established. It has reached the point where it is now (wait for it---) legendary. Now is the time to flex some storytelling muscles. To show us something that we have not seen. Is there a chance of being cancelled in the next two years? Hardly. People (TPTB) need to become brave.  People (TPTB) need to expand their horizons.  The Big Bang Theory is a 2,000 pound gorilla.  Perhaps it is time they act the part and take on all comers.  Make Raj bi-sexual and bring us along on his journey.  Show us Halley being a toddler running around and touching Sheldon's things (wouldn't that be a hoot).  Show us why Penny calls Leonard the love of her life. Show us that he didn't wear her down, he made her comfortable admitting who and what she loved.   It is time for TPTB to grow a pair.  People whine about OITNB winning awards?  The star of Transparent has won the last two Emmy Awards for best actor in a comedy?  Pull up your pants and be big boys and girls.  Take them on!

Agree wholeheartedly that this show needs some new direction in their storylines if it is going to last another two years.  A am certain that Shamy will be the core storyline for the first couple of episodes next season. But after that Lenny should be the center of some storylines to just maybe win back some viewers. Also, I am of the opinion that these actors after playing their roles for 10 years might have some impact on the way a scene should be done. Maybe not necessarily the dialogue but gestures and asides. They probably know their characters as well as anyone and how their image of that character should be portrayed.  JMO as we all give on this forum.

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10 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

But that makes you tie Penny's (self-)worth to a man. Penny is Penny because she's funny, pretty, street-wise and (mostly) can handle the geek-world even though she doesn't belong to it (or like it much).

Good point.  But everyone in this show is seen/perceived in respect to the others.  In her case, that's Leonard.  Her being with him now would have more value if he weren't seen as an alternative to not-so-great guys.   Thank the deity of your choice that she was on the road to financial independence when they got married so she couldn't be depicted as just sponging off him, as she was so often in the past.

I still like your point and will keep my antennae up for that.

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12 hours ago, joyceraye said:

When they were having dinner if they could have let Ramona answer,'Sorry, you were speaking so I thought you were drunk' it would have established the continuity after Raj said,'I think you made that very clear' and got some reaction. She could sound catty to get our backs up or pretend-sweet to ingratiate herself with the group to make us even more suspicious.

Yes, and it would have been the best line in the episode. Now that you've suggested it, Joyceraye, it's clear the writers should have thought of it. They're not trying hard enough.

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5 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Agree wholeheartedly that this show needs some new direction in their storylines if it is going to last another two years.  A am certain that Shamy will be the core storyline for the first couple of episodes next season. But after that Lenny should be the center of some storylines to just maybe win back some viewers. Also, I am of the opinion that these actors after playing their roles for 10 years might have some impact on the way a scene should be done. Maybe not necessarily the dialogue but gestures and asides. They probably know their characters as well as anyone and how their image of that character should be portrayed.  JMO as we all give on this forum.

Yeah.  I've already seen the four compared to the Ricardos and the Mertzes.  And that is, truly, a compliment.

I just wish the show would stop trying to cram three plots into 19 minutes.  So we don't see all characters every week - that's okay.  We know who they are.

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1 hour ago, Capt. Hilts said:

As I've also said, I think getting her working at a local news 'on location' team would be a really good fit for her.  Not necessarily in front of the camera, but occasionally that would be an option.  It is not completely improbable for someone like her to have such work.  And it would give her jokes about working weird hours covering weird stories.

As you said - Be BOLD!

That might be too similar to HIMYM's Robin. I do agree however that they can find her a job that will be interesting, funny and will make her happy.

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15 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

Yes, and it would have been the best line in the episode. Now that you've suggested it, Joyceraye, it's clear the writers should have thought of it. They're not trying hard enough.

It's still not as good a line as "We'll all walk you to your car..."

10 minutes ago, bfm said:

That might be too similar to HIMYM's Robin. I do agree however that they can find her a job that will be interesting, funny and will make her happy.

Ain't never seen it, but I will take your word for it.

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29 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Good point.  But everyone in this show is seen/perceived in respect to the others.  In her case, that's Leonard.  Her being with him now would have more value if he weren't seen as an alternative to not-so-great guys.   Thank the deity of your choice that she was on the road to financial independence when they got married so she couldn't be depicted as just sponging off him, as she was so often in the past.

I still like your point and will keep my antennae up for that.

I think they believe that by being hot Penny is automatically considered to be of a "top league" and having the possibility date almost anyone she wants. On the othet hand, I believe, they think by being nerdy and not hot Leonard is automatically considered to be of a "low league" and has much less options. Hence they felt the need to show that he is able to attract "good catches". Of course, I'm not saying these perceptions are true, just that they might be the motivations behind the dating narratives for Penny and Leonard. I do believe that some of the audience, especially casuals, hold such views. Some Youtube/Facebook comments show that. However, I think acting like the whole viewership is like that is somewhat disrespecting the audience. There were times when Penny and Leonard were treated like full characters and shown having multiple characteristics that make them who they are and make them connect as a couple. It is not that way anymore. They now stick to the "he wore her down" jokes that emphasize the unfortunate above mentioned views (bringing the disrespect for the audience to new highs).

11 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

It's still not as good a line as "We'll all walk you to your car..."

Ain't never seen it, but I will take your word for it.

Robin was a news reporter (and later anchor) and was shown covering weird (funny) stories. 

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4 minutes ago, bfm said:

I think they believe that by being hot Penny is automatically considered to be of a "top league" and having the possibility date almost anyone she wants. On the othet hand, I believe, they think by being nerdy and not hot Leonard is automatically considered to be of a "low league" and has much less options. Hence they felt the need to show that he is able to attract "good catches". Of course, I'm not saying these perceptions are true, just that they might be the motivations behind the dating narratives for Penny and Leonard. I do believe that some of the audience, especially casuals, hold such views. Some Youtube/Facebook comments show that. However, I think acting like the whole viewership is like that is somewhat disrespecting the audience. There were times when Penny and Leonard were treated like full characters and shown having multiple characteristics that make them who they are and make them connect as a couple. It is not that way anymore. They now stick to the "he wore her down" jokes that emphasize the unfortunate above mentioned views (bringing the disrespect for the audience to new highs).

Do you think part of the seemingly "low league" Leonard having more dates than "top league" Penny could have been a devise to show her pining for him even though she would (again this word) seemingly be more available to/for date/dating?

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