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15 minutes ago, luminous said:

Well, I think it's safe to say they leave the apartment to chop the tree. We'll see. :icon_cheesygrin:

BTW...this is a picture of Kaley (dressed as Penny) from last night's taping. (Source)

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Note: she wears the right outfit for chopping down trees. :wink:

 

"I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay....."  I for one am looking forward to this episode!

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Does anyone know the episode title for 10.12? Also, are all stories told as flashbacks? Thanks @ShamyBabboos and everyone who provided spoilers! They're greatly appreciated! :)

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4 hours ago, wowbagger said:

thanks to all who attended and provided spoilers! I hope you had a wonderful time!

that said, this sounds...frankly unpleasant. I have always hated it when Sheldon has a valid point, but because he expresses it in an extreme/dickish manner the story becomes about the reaction, rather than his completely legitimate grievance.

consider the situation here: Amy wants to pre-empt a certain reaction from Mary, and therefore takes it upon herself to out herself and Sheldon. Without consulting Sheldon. Already not fantastic, but okay, let's say Amy has her own equation with Mary and doesn't want to be party to deceit. So does Amy tell Sheldon about the conversation? Nope. She instead nudges Sheldon to confess, having smoothed the way for him. Which, for all her good intentions, is kind of condescending.

Mary responds with a jocular statement to the effect that she is just grateful that her weird son found anyone to put up with him. Which may not be what she means, bit is still a shitty thing to say to not only Sheldon, but as April points out, Amy by implication.

Sheldon sums it up very well (my one glimmer of hope this episode, actually) by saying 'my mother doesn't think I could find a mate and my mate doesn't think I can run my life'. A succinct statement of an extremely legitimate grievance.

and how does the show choose to address a valid point about the infantilisation of Sheldon and the really disturbing message it sends about how 'spectrum-y' individuals could really integrate if they find someone to rescue them?

does it, for example, have Sheldon say to his mother, passionately but as an adult, that he feels that she thinks he is wanting and defective in some way because he is different? That she is denigrating his CHOICE of celibacy (and by the way Amy's choice of HIM) by implying that it was because of desperation?

oh, right. Here comes Sheldon with his undercrackers on his head. Fabulous. Very adult.

well, does Sheldon say to Amy that he does not want to be her pet or her child, any more than she wants to be his mother? That if she is making decisions about their relationship, he needs to be consulted?

oh, he gets his ears pierced and then howls as Amy douses his ear in alcohol. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

once again, the show is muddling a valid point with an over-the-top expression. Once again, the story is sheldon's reaction, not the paternalism or thoughtless cruelty or whatever of the people around him. Once again, the show is sending a very disturbing message - different = crazy. Look at Sheldon, eh? Still, he suckered that nice Amy into loving him. Hope for everyone, eh?

Couldn't agree more with you.This Shamy plot  doesn't seem to have any payoff ! Mary still ends up ordering him to take off the piercing and Amy cleans it up for him. Neither does Sheldon learn anything about maturing, nor do Amy and Mary seem to  respect his desire to be treated as a grown man.

Just previous episode he is having sex and now, it sounds like baby sitting all over again. That seems so disturbing ! Yikes. I just can't reconcile the 2 things. 

I personally think it is wrong to go behind your partner's back and not consult them over major decisions about the relationship . Its why I hated Sheldon's actions in Mars application episode too . Im not particularly fond of that in this ep  .  Sheldon doesn't need protecting, coddling and pampering ! He is supposed to be Amy's equal partner, not her kid ! It sounds so so CREEPY. LOL .  

Maybe there is a secret "I want to be my boyfriend's mother /caretaker" exclusive  club that some ladies of Tbbt have joined.

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3 hours ago, Jonny said:

Thanks for the spoiler information @ShamyBabboos. We are very lucky to get any spoiler information, it's not guaranteed nor should it be.

First and foremost it's about the experience that person has getting to view one of their favorite shows in the flesh that matters. That they go there and have a fantastic time is the no.1 priority not providing spoilers, spoilers are a bonus that we sometimes get from some kind and generous souls.

So thanks again @ShamyBabboos and anyone who went to the taping. I can only speak for myself but I am extremely grateful for the information provided.

Hear hear !

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5 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

From @MJistheBOMB who has kindly said I can share this.  I've copied and pasted what she has told us.

 

The Holiday Summation

Lenny are in 4A. Penny asks Leonard if she'd like to help him set up the snacks/food for the gathering of their friends coming over as she sets down veggies and dip on the table. Leonard is putting away the last bits of Christmas decorations and explains to her that he's doing it so that Sheldon doesn't flip out since Christmas time is over. "Sheldon doesn't live here any more..." she argues. "He also doesn't live at Walmart but it didn't stop him from flipping a jack-o-lantern after Halloween." Another take: "He also doesn't live at Walmart but it didn't stop him from (something to do with marshmallow peeps)....and this coming from a man who complains about peeps being hard to find after Easter!" In walk Shamy. Lenny greets them. Sheldon immediately notices mistletoe hanging from the ceiling, "Mistletoe??? Do you manics own a calendar????"

Penny asks them about their trip to Texas. "It's a lonestar state.... That should be a review on yelp, " Sheldon comments. Amy comments that they didn't have a great time. I think all this was said before he noticed the mistletoe actually. "Well, at least you're home." Penny replied with a smile.

The flash backs begin when Sheldon starts telling Lenny the story of what went down in Texas: we see Shamy in a rental car heading towards his mom's house and Sheldon in the passenger seat waking up suddenly and asking how he got there. Back to the present where Amy admits to Lenny she gave Sheldon a special juice so that he would be no trouble while getting to Texas (the plane ride, etc.).

Flashback to Shamy and Mary sitting at the dinner table. Sloppy Joe's are what's for dinner. Mary is finishing up a dinner prayer that ends with, ".....and bless the hands that made the food (something along those lines) and Sheldon comments about that line being self serving. Mary asks them both how things are back at home. Amy starts with, "Howard and Bernadette had the baby!" with a smile. Mary is happy for them and asks, "Will the baby be raised as Jewish or regular?" Amy just stares at her for a moment and Sheldon looks at Amy and says, "Welcome to Texas...." before Amy responds to Mary with, "....they hadn't told us. We have a bit if news ourselves (btw, after Sheldon wakes up in the car, Amy makes the suggestion that they tell Mary they are living together and Sheldon doesn't think it's a good idea really.)....

Sheldon tries to stall by suggesting they start eating the food that "God" made. "Shelly, what's the news?" Mary asks with a smile. He looks at Amy and says, "this is on you...." before turning to his mom and saying, "Amy and I are living together in sin like two New Yorkers." To Sheldon's surprise, Mary is quite happy about it, which obviously makes him question his mother and she replied with, "...by the time you were three, you could name 1,000 different trains and I was convinced that no girl would ever board any of them..."

Also, after Sheldon reveals that to his mom he says something like, "while you scold me, I'm going to get up and get a fork and knife. Joe might by sloppy but Sheldon is not."

Sheldon was offended that his mom basically thought he'd be single forever and stormed out of the room. We later see Amy sitting on the couch with tea with Mary next to her crocheting. "You think I should go talk to him?" "I'm the one he's upset with, I should be the one to talk to him." There's a long pause as Amy looks at Mary, wondering when that would be, "Arrrre you gonna go talk to him now???" Amy asks Mary.

Just then, in walks Sheldon, with a pair of tightie whities on his head and swimming flippers on his feet. Before storming off earlier, he made a comment to Mary that his brother and sister's combined IQ wattage wasn't even enough to power a potato clock, hence his appearance (he's convinced his mom just wanted him to be like them). He sits down in an empty chair and Mary comments to Amy, "You see why I didn't go talk to him?"

At one point, Sheldon and Amy go out, we see them in the rental car and Amy reveals to Sheldon that she had already told Mary that they were living together because she's didn't want it to ever become an issue. Sheldon complains, "My mother thinks I can't find a mate and my mate thinks I can't run my life."

There's a hilarious scene where Sheldon "rebels" and gets one of his ears pierced. Amy is standing by his side as he does it and he screams loudly at the pain. "Then, my mother made me take it out...." he tells Lenny and we see the flashback of Amy pulling the earring out and Sheldon screaming again. "....and then Amy cleaned it with alcohol...." Flashback of Sheldon screaming again."

That pretty much covers Shamys flashback story I think. Some random things related to it: *Leonard made a comment, "keep going, I enjoy other people's pain." *Bernie (after she Howard and the guys come later) makes a comment, "So, you can control it?" After Sheldon makes a comment that he was intentionally being odd with the underwear in his head, etc.  *Penny at one point asks Amy, "So how did Sheldon look with the earring?" Amy replied something along the lines of, "like a pirate helping other pirates to stop pirating...." and Sheldon looks at her and nudges her arm with a big smile on his face. It was so cute.

Howardette arrive at 4A with the baby in tow and behind them are their helpers, Raj and Stuart carrying a bunch of baby stuff. LOL. They're happily greeted by Lenny and Shamy. Howard looks under the blanket of the baby in the carrier and comments, "she's sleeping, can't I stick her in your room?" Lenny agree, "of course." "Poppins, Doubtfire, let's go," Howard says to Raj and Stuart who follow him into the bedroom.

Everyone is seated and I can't remember if Lennies flash back story was told first or Howardette's so we'll just go with Lennie's first. They tell everyone that they got into a big fight. Leonard explains that they started watching Luke Cage together, that's their thing and Penny reveals that she watched two episodes without him. Bernie is staring at them both, weirded out that THAT was their big fight and says, "It's like being excited for a Christmas present and getting socks...." Sheldon makes a comment, "What's wrong with socks?" Penny explains to everyone that they they probably fought over something so minor because of the previous Christmas tree fiasco. Flashback: They're in the car, excited about going to get a Christmas tree. They look cute, Penny has reindeer ears on and Leonard has and elf hat and his Spock ears that he's allowing to double as elf ears. Penny sees an ad in the paper, "Oh look! There's this place where you can cut down your own tree!" Next scene is Lenny in the car, dirty, ears falling off their heads, hair messed up, Leonard's glasses are crooked. Obviously the tree cutting didn't go well. Penny makes a comment, "when you swing an axe, you don't let go!" Leonard mentioned his mittens making his hands slippery. "It's 70 degrees, you don't need mittens!!!" Suddenly, the tree y worked so hard to cut down slides down onto the windshield of the car. "There's something on the windshield..." Penny says sarcastically.

Next part of their flashback is them trying to get the damn trees upstairs to 4A. "You need a break?" Penny asks Leonard who has the end of the tree as she leads. "No," he replies. "It's okay to admit you need a break," Penny tells him. "If I need a break I'll tell you!!!," Leonard shouts at her. Next scene is the tree on top of Leonard as he lays on the floor on the second floor or something. "Leonard, there's a tree on you," Penny says sarcastically. Finally, we see them drag the tree through the door of 4A. Leonard makes a comment about decorating it I think and Penny replies, "with gasoline and a match?" before they both tiredly plop themselves down on the couch. That pretty much concludes their flashback.

Howardette's flashback: we at Howardette's house. We hear Hallie crying and Bernie in the room trying to get her to stop, "It's okay, it's okay....I don't know what you want, my boobs are dry, you want money? (In another take she asks, "do you want lasagna?" She is able to calm the baby down and we see her slowly and tiredly walk out in her sweats, hair messed up and she says, "what have we done?" In walks Howard and the guys. They just came home from shopping. "I got super hero baby wipes! They fight crime and tushie!" he says while flipping them in the air. At one point the baby starts crying again. Stuart says, "I'll take this shift." and goes to take care of Hallie. He gets her quiet immediately and it makes her sad and she starts to cry as she sits on the couch. Howard sits down next to her to ask her what's wrong, "nothing, these are happy tears." "Oh, okay...." Howard replies. "They're not happy tears, you big (I forgot what she calls him)." She is sad and thinks the baby doesn't like her. Howard makes a comment maybe Stuart is so successful because Hallie is playing the possum trick (not his wording but the implication is play dead until he goes away I guess). Raj makes a comment that maybe the baby is just a, "jerk". He also made some comments that back home in India, when his baby brother cried, the servants would just take the baby far away so they could hear him, either that or THEY would just leave.

Back to the present, someone (I forgot who) asked Howard how things were/are for him and he mentioned everything was good, besides all the crying. Flashback of him sitting in bed next to a crying Bernie who is still sad thinking her baby doesn't like her. "How can she hate me? I'm like a human milk machine, that's like hating a frozen yogurt machine...,"she cries. Howard is trying his best to comfort her until he loses it and starts crying too.

Finally, the sweetest part of the flashback: Howard opens the door to Hallie's room to check on Bernie with the baby. It's dark and silent. He's whispering, asking where she is. "down here..." she whispers. He slowly walks across the room and uses his  cell phone to light his path and there is Bernie laying down in the crib with the baby wrapped up in a blanket sleeping by her side. Howard asks how she could fit in there and I'm forgetting her response. Howard makes a joke about thinking outside of the box since she was basically in one (the crib). He asks her if she wants help out of the crib but she wants to stay with Hallie. He squats down near the crib and asks Bernie, "is it okay if I gets some sleep?" She smiles at him and tells him to go ahead. Howard reaches his hand in towards Bernie and says, "good job, mommy...." She tells him not to make her cry. It was so sweet!!!! That pretty much concludes Howardette's story.

At one point while everyone had been listening to Howardette's story, Sheldon did some googling about the blues that women have after giving birth. He read that being encouraging and complimentary to the new mom is good for her. He pats Bernie on the head and says, "You're doing a good job." "Thank you, Sheldon, I feel better...", Bernie says with a smile.

The tag scene is everyone leaving 4A. They say their goodbyes and Leonard or Penny asked when Howardette return to work, Howard mentions he's in paternity leave and Sheldon chimes in, "a small human reeks havoc (pardon my spelling on those if it's incorrect) on his wife's genitals and he gets time off..." he shakes his head and starts to follow Howard out. Howard turns around, "with pay, sucker! (another take: with pay, homie!)" Everyone is out, then Howard comes back in, "I forgot the baby, I'm new at this...." as he heads back towards Lennies bedroom. THE END. Anything I left out will be a surprise for you all.

Thanks! I tried to edit my post twice to include the tr but it wouldn't save it.

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@ a shamy gal thanks for this extended tape report. I really appreciate it. Still I don´t get a great feeling about my Lenny´s, when I read their storyline. And I will be called a negative one here. But it really looks like the crappy convention story. Will this grow their relationship? I hope so. The other storyline of the Shamy, I don´t get it really (I mean it sounds so unlogical. Meeemaw did already know they were together, and warned Sheldon not to give the ring to Amy, and now his mom doesn´t know?) But it looks like the writers love to write about conflicts. And yes I know that is what comedy always do, seeking for conflicts, because they are hilarious. 

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13 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

From @MJistheBOMB who has kindly said I can share this.  I've copied and pasted what she has told us.

Thank you both so much!!!

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2 minutes ago, john2p said:

@ a shamy gal thanks for this extended tape report. I really appreciate it. Still I don´t get a great feeling about my Lenny´s, when I read their storyline. And I will be called a negative one here. But it really looks like the crappy convention story. Will this grow their relationship? I hope so. The other storyline of the Shamy, I don´t get it really (I mean it sounds so onlogical. Meeemaw did already know they were together, and warned Sheldon not to give the ring to Amy, and now his mom doesn´t know?) But it looks like the writers love to write about conflicts. And yes I know that is what comedy always do, seeking for conflicts, because they are hilarious. 

Mary didn't know yet that they lived together. Even if Meemaw hadn't told her about them having had sex, Mary would have gotten the memo when she was there for the wedding and Sheldon dropped some TMI from their bedroom activities. LOL

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3 minutes ago, April said:

Thank you both so much!!!

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Mary didn't know yet that they lived together. Even if Meemaw hadn't told her about them having had sex, Mary would have gotten the memo when she was there for the wedding and Sheldon dropped some TMI from their bedroom activities. LOL

The part of living together I get it. That Mary didn´t know that yet. But not knowing that they sleep together? I don´t know. Because that is what the main concern of her is? Ah well it is a sitcom. I think I am taking stuff too literally and too serious lately :p 

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5 minutes ago, john2p said:

The part of living together I get it. That Mary didn´t know that yet. But not knowing that they sleep together? I don´t know. Because that is what the main concern of her is? Ah well it is a sitcom. I think I am taking stuff too literally and too serious lately :p 

Where did you get that from??? There's nothing in the TR about her being surprised that they sleep together.

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27 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

From @MJistheBOMB who has kindly said I can share this.  I've copied and pasted what she has told us.

 

The Holiday Summation

Lenny are in 4A. Penny asks Leonard if she'd like to help him set up the snacks/food for the gathering of their friends coming over as she sets down veggies and dip on the table. Leonard is putting away the last bits of Christmas decorations and explains to her that he's doing it so that Sheldon doesn't flip out since Christmas time is over. "Sheldon doesn't live here any more..." she argues. "He also doesn't live at Walmart but it didn't stop him from flipping a jack-o-lantern after Halloween." Another take: "He also doesn't live at Walmart but it didn't stop him from (something to do with marshmallow peeps)....and this coming from a man who complains about peeps being hard to find after Easter!" In walk Shamy. Lenny greets them. Sheldon immediately notices mistletoe hanging from the ceiling, "Mistletoe??? Do you manics own a calendar????"

Penny asks them about their trip to Texas. "It's a lonestar state.... That should be a review on yelp, " Sheldon comments. Amy comments that they didn't have a great time. I think all this was said before he noticed the mistletoe actually. "Well, at least you're home." Penny replied with a smile.

The flash backs begin when Sheldon starts telling Lenny the story of what went down in Texas: we see Shamy in a rental car heading towards his mom's house and Sheldon in the passenger seat waking up suddenly and asking how he got there. Back to the present where Amy admits to Lenny she gave Sheldon a special juice so that he would be no trouble while getting to Texas (the plane ride, etc.).

Flashback to Shamy and Mary sitting at the dinner table. Sloppy Joe's are what's for dinner. Mary is finishing up a dinner prayer that ends with, ".....and bless the hands that made the food (something along those lines) and Sheldon comments about that line being self serving. Mary asks them both how things are back at home. Amy starts with, "Howard and Bernadette had the baby!" with a smile. Mary is happy for them and asks, "Will the baby be raised as Jewish or regular?" Amy just stares at her for a moment and Sheldon looks at Amy and says, "Welcome to Texas...." before Amy responds to Mary with, "....they hadn't told us. We have a bit if news ourselves (btw, after Sheldon wakes up in the car, Amy makes the suggestion that they tell Mary they are living together and Sheldon doesn't think it's a good idea really.)....

Sheldon tries to stall by suggesting they start eating the food that "God" made. "Shelly, what's the news?" Mary asks with a smile. He looks at Amy and says, "this is on you...." before turning to his mom and saying, "Amy and I are living together in sin like two New Yorkers." To Sheldon's surprise, Mary is quite happy about it, which obviously makes him question his mother and she replied with, "...by the time you were three, you could name 1,000 different trains and I was convinced that no girl would ever board any of them..."

Also, after Sheldon reveals that to his mom he says something like, "while you scold me, I'm going to get up and get a fork and knife. Joe might by sloppy but Sheldon is not."

Sheldon was offended that his mom basically thought he'd be single forever and stormed out of the room. We later see Amy sitting on the couch with tea with Mary next to her crocheting. "You think I should go talk to him?" "I'm the one he's upset with, I should be the one to talk to him." There's a long pause as Amy looks at Mary, wondering when that would be, "Arrrre you gonna go talk to him now???" Amy asks Mary.

Just then, in walks Sheldon, with a pair of tightie whities on his head and swimming flippers on his feet. Before storming off earlier, he made a comment to Mary that his brother and sister's combined IQ wattage wasn't even enough to power a potato clock, hence his appearance (he's convinced his mom just wanted him to be like them). He sits down in an empty chair and Mary comments to Amy, "You see why I didn't go talk to him?"

At one point, Sheldon and Amy go out, we see them in the rental car and Amy reveals to Sheldon that she had already told Mary that they were living together because she's didn't want it to ever become an issue. Sheldon complains, "My mother thinks I can't find a mate and my mate thinks I can't run my life."

There's a hilarious scene where Sheldon "rebels" and gets one of his ears pierced. Amy is standing by his side as he does it and he screams loudly at the pain. "Then, my mother made me take it out...." he tells Lenny and we see the flashback of Amy pulling the earring out and Sheldon screaming again. "....and then Amy cleaned it with alcohol...." Flashback of Sheldon screaming again."

That pretty much covers Shamys flashback story I think. Some random things related to it: *Leonard made a comment, "keep going, I enjoy other people's pain." *Bernie (after she Howard and the guys come later) makes a comment, "So, you can control it?" After Sheldon makes a comment that he was intentionally being odd with the underwear in his head, etc.  *Penny at one point asks Amy, "So how did Sheldon look with the earring?" Amy replied something along the lines of, "like a pirate helping other pirates to stop pirating...." and Sheldon looks at her and nudges her arm with a big smile on his face. It was so cute.

Howardette arrive at 4A with the baby in tow and behind them are their helpers, Raj and Stuart carrying a bunch of baby stuff. LOL. They're happily greeted by Lenny and Shamy. Howard looks under the blanket of the baby in the carrier and comments, "she's sleeping, can't I stick her in your room?" Lenny agree, "of course." "Poppins, Doubtfire, let's go," Howard says to Raj and Stuart who follow him into the bedroom.

Everyone is seated and I can't remember if Lennies flash back story was told first or Howardette's so we'll just go with Lennie's first. They tell everyone that they got into a big fight. Leonard explains that they started watching Luke Cage together, that's their thing and Penny reveals that she watched two episodes without him. Bernie is staring at them both, weirded out that THAT was their big fight and says, "It's like being excited for a Christmas present and getting socks...." Sheldon makes a comment, "What's wrong with socks?" Penny explains to everyone that they they probably fought over something so minor because of the previous Christmas tree fiasco. Flashback: They're in the car, excited about going to get a Christmas tree. They look cute, Penny has reindeer ears on and Leonard has and elf hat and his Spock ears that he's allowing to double as elf ears. Penny sees an ad in the paper, "Oh look! There's this place where you can cut down your own tree!" Next scene is Lenny in the car, dirty, ears falling off their heads, hair messed up, Leonard's glasses are crooked. Obviously the tree cutting didn't go well. Penny makes a comment, "when you swing an axe, you don't let go!" Leonard mentioned his mittens making his hands slippery. "It's 70 degrees, you don't need mittens!!!" Suddenly, the tree y worked so hard to cut down slides down onto the windshield of the car. "There's something on the windshield..." Penny says sarcastically.

Next part of their flashback is them trying to get the damn trees upstairs to 4A. "You need a break?" Penny asks Leonard who has the end of the tree as she leads. "No," he replies. "It's okay to admit you need a break," Penny tells him. "If I need a break I'll tell you!!!," Leonard shouts at her. Next scene is the tree on top of Leonard as he lays on the floor on the second floor or something. "Leonard, there's a tree on you," Penny says sarcastically. Finally, we see them drag the tree through the door of 4A. Leonard makes a comment about decorating it I think and Penny replies, "with gasoline and a match?" before they both tiredly plop themselves down on the couch. That pretty much concludes their flashback.

Howardette's flashback: we at Howardette's house. We hear Hallie crying and Bernie in the room trying to get her to stop, "It's okay, it's okay....I don't know what you want, my boobs are dry, you want money? (In another take she asks, "do you want lasagna?" She is able to calm the baby down and we see her slowly and tiredly walk out in her sweats, hair messed up and she says, "what have we done?" In walks Howard and the guys. They just came home from shopping. "I got super hero baby wipes! They fight crime and tushie!" he says while flipping them in the air. At one point the baby starts crying again. Stuart says, "I'll take this shift." and goes to take care of Hallie. He gets her quiet immediately and it makes her sad and she starts to cry as she sits on the couch. Howard sits down next to her to ask her what's wrong, "nothing, these are happy tears." "Oh, okay...." Howard replies. "They're not happy tears, you big (I forgot what she calls him)." She is sad and thinks the baby doesn't like her. Howard makes a comment maybe Stuart is so successful because Hallie is playing the possum trick (not his wording but the implication is play dead until he goes away I guess). Raj makes a comment that maybe the baby is just a, "jerk". He also made some comments that back home in India, when his baby brother cried, the servants would just take the baby far away so they could hear him, either that or THEY would just leave.

Back to the present, someone (I forgot who) asked Howard how things were/are for him and he mentioned everything was good, besides all the crying. Flashback of him sitting in bed next to a crying Bernie who is still sad thinking her baby doesn't like her. "How can she hate me? I'm like a human milk machine, that's like hating a frozen yogurt machine...,"she cries. Howard is trying his best to comfort her until he loses it and starts crying too.

Finally, the sweetest part of the flashback: Howard opens the door to Hallie's room to check on Bernie with the baby. It's dark and silent. He's whispering, asking where she is. "down here..." she whispers. He slowly walks across the room and uses his  cell phone to light his path and there is Bernie laying down in the crib with the baby wrapped up in a blanket sleeping by her side. Howard asks how she could fit in there and I'm forgetting her response. Howard makes a joke about thinking outside of the box since she was basically in one (the crib). He asks her if she wants help out of the crib but she wants to stay with Hallie. He squats down near the crib and asks Bernie, "is it okay if I gets some sleep?" She smiles at him and tells him to go ahead. Howard reaches his hand in towards Bernie and says, "good job, mommy...." She tells him not to make her cry. It was so sweet!!!! That pretty much concludes Howardette's story.

At one point while everyone had been listening to Howardette's story, Sheldon did some googling about the blues that women have after giving birth. He read that being encouraging and complimentary to the new mom is good for her. He pats Bernie on the head and says, "You're doing a good job." "Thank you, Sheldon, I feel better...", Bernie says with a smile.

The tag scene is everyone leaving 4A. They say their goodbyes and Leonard or Penny asked when Howardette return to work, Howard mentions he's in paternity leave and Sheldon chimes in, "a small human reeks havoc (pardon my spelling on those if it's incorrect) on his wife's genitals and he gets time off..." he shakes his head and starts to follow Howard out. Howard turns around, "with pay, sucker! (another take: with pay, homie!)" Everyone is out, then Howard comes back in, "I forgot the baby, I'm new at this...." as he heads back towards Lennies bedroom. THE END. Anything I left out will be a surprise for you all.

Thanks to you and MJistheBOMB.

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2 minutes ago, April said:

Where did you get that from??? There's nothing in the TR about her being surprised that they sleep together.

I am sorry, I did read it too fast. I was wrong ....

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28 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

From @MJistheBOMB who has kindly said I can share this.  I've copied and pasted what she has told us.

 

The Holiday Summation

Lenny are in 4A. Penny asks Leonard if she'd like to help him set up the snacks/food for the gathering of their friends coming over as she sets down veggies and dip on the table. Leonard is putting away the last bits of Christmas decorations and explains to her that he's doing it so that Sheldon doesn't flip out since Christmas time is over. "Sheldon doesn't live here any more..." she argues. "He also doesn't live at Walmart but it didn't stop him from flipping a jack-o-lantern after Halloween." Another take: "He also doesn't live at Walmart but it didn't stop him from (something to do with marshmallow peeps)....and this coming from a man who complains about peeps being hard to find after Easter!" In walk Shamy. Lenny greets them. Sheldon immediately notices mistletoe hanging from the ceiling, "Mistletoe??? Do you manics own a calendar????"

Penny asks them about their trip to Texas. "It's a lonestar state.... That should be a review on yelp, " Sheldon comments. Amy comments that they didn't have a great time. I think all this was said before he noticed the mistletoe actually. "Well, at least you're home." Penny replied with a smile.

The flash backs begin when Sheldon starts telling Lenny the story of what went down in Texas: we see Shamy in a rental car heading towards his mom's house and Sheldon in the passenger seat waking up suddenly and asking how he got there. Back to the present where Amy admits to Lenny she gave Sheldon a special juice so that he would be no trouble while getting to Texas (the plane ride, etc.).

Flashback to Shamy and Mary sitting at the dinner table. Sloppy Joe's are what's for dinner. Mary is finishing up a dinner prayer that ends with, ".....and bless the hands that made the food (something along those lines) and Sheldon comments about that line being self serving. Mary asks them both how things are back at home. Amy starts with, "Howard and Bernadette had the baby!" with a smile. Mary is happy for them and asks, "Will the baby be raised as Jewish or regular?" Amy just stares at her for a moment and Sheldon looks at Amy and says, "Welcome to Texas...." before Amy responds to Mary with, "....they hadn't told us. We have a bit if news ourselves (btw, after Sheldon wakes up in the car, Amy makes the suggestion that they tell Mary they are living together and Sheldon doesn't think it's a good idea really.)....

Sheldon tries to stall by suggesting they start eating the food that "God" made. "Shelly, what's the news?" Mary asks with a smile. He looks at Amy and says, "this is on you...." before turning to his mom and saying, "Amy and I are living together in sin like two New Yorkers." To Sheldon's surprise, Mary is quite happy about it, which obviously makes him question his mother and she replied with, "...by the time you were three, you could name 1,000 different trains and I was convinced that no girl would ever board any of them..."

Also, after Sheldon reveals that to his mom he says something like, "while you scold me, I'm going to get up and get a fork and knife. Joe might by sloppy but Sheldon is not."

Sheldon was offended that his mom basically thought he'd be single forever and stormed out of the room. We later see Amy sitting on the couch with tea with Mary next to her crocheting. "You think I should go talk to him?" "I'm the one he's upset with, I should be the one to talk to him." There's a long pause as Amy looks at Mary, wondering when that would be, "Arrrre you gonna go talk to him now???" Amy asks Mary.

Just then, in walks Sheldon, with a pair of tightie whities on his head and swimming flippers on his feet. Before storming off earlier, he made a comment to Mary that his brother and sister's combined IQ wattage wasn't even enough to power a potato clock, hence his appearance (he's convinced his mom just wanted him to be like them). He sits down in an empty chair and Mary comments to Amy, "You see why I didn't go talk to him?"

At one point, Sheldon and Amy go out, we see them in the rental car and Amy reveals to Sheldon that she had already told Mary that they were living together because she's didn't want it to ever become an issue. Sheldon complains, "My mother thinks I can't find a mate and my mate thinks I can't run my life."

There's a hilarious scene where Sheldon "rebels" and gets one of his ears pierced. Amy is standing by his side as he does it and he screams loudly at the pain. "Then, my mother made me take it out...." he tells Lenny and we see the flashback of Amy pulling the earring out and Sheldon screaming again. "....and then Amy cleaned it with alcohol...." Flashback of Sheldon screaming again."

That pretty much covers Shamys flashback story I think. Some random things related to it: *Leonard made a comment, "keep going, I enjoy other people's pain." *Bernie (after she Howard and the guys come later) makes a comment, "So, you can control it?" After Sheldon makes a comment that he was intentionally being odd with the underwear in his head, etc.  *Penny at one point asks Amy, "So how did Sheldon look with the earring?" Amy replied something along the lines of, "like a pirate helping other pirates to stop pirating...." and Sheldon looks at her and nudges her arm with a big smile on his face. It was so cute.

Howardette arrive at 4A with the baby in tow and behind them are their helpers, Raj and Stuart carrying a bunch of baby stuff. LOL. They're happily greeted by Lenny and Shamy. Howard looks under the blanket of the baby in the carrier and comments, "she's sleeping, can't I stick her in your room?" Lenny agree, "of course." "Poppins, Doubtfire, let's go," Howard says to Raj and Stuart who follow him into the bedroom.

Everyone is seated and I can't remember if Lennies flash back story was told first or Howardette's so we'll just go with Lennie's first. They tell everyone that they got into a big fight. Leonard explains that they started watching Luke Cage together, that's their thing and Penny reveals that she watched two episodes without him. Bernie is staring at them both, weirded out that THAT was their big fight and says, "It's like being excited for a Christmas present and getting socks...." Sheldon makes a comment, "What's wrong with socks?" Penny explains to everyone that they they probably fought over something so minor because of the previous Christmas tree fiasco. Flashback: They're in the car, excited about going to get a Christmas tree. They look cute, Penny has reindeer ears on and Leonard has and elf hat and his Spock ears that he's allowing to double as elf ears. Penny sees an ad in the paper, "Oh look! There's this place where you can cut down your own tree!" Next scene is Lenny in the car, dirty, ears falling off their heads, hair messed up, Leonard's glasses are crooked. Obviously the tree cutting didn't go well. Penny makes a comment, "when you swing an axe, you don't let go!" Leonard mentioned his mittens making his hands slippery. "It's 70 degrees, you don't need mittens!!!" Suddenly, the tree y worked so hard to cut down slides down onto the windshield of the car. "There's something on the windshield..." Penny says sarcastically.

Next part of their flashback is them trying to get the damn trees upstairs to 4A. "You need a break?" Penny asks Leonard who has the end of the tree as she leads. "No," he replies. "It's okay to admit you need a break," Penny tells him. "If I need a break I'll tell you!!!," Leonard shouts at her. Next scene is the tree on top of Leonard as he lays on the floor on the second floor or something. "Leonard, there's a tree on you," Penny says sarcastically. Finally, we see them drag the tree through the door of 4A. Leonard makes a comment about decorating it I think and Penny replies, "with gasoline and a match?" before they both tiredly plop themselves down on the couch. That pretty much concludes their flashback.

Howardette's flashback: we at Howardette's house. We hear Hallie crying and Bernie in the room trying to get her to stop, "It's okay, it's okay....I don't know what you want, my boobs are dry, you want money? (In another take she asks, "do you want lasagna?" She is able to calm the baby down and we see her slowly and tiredly walk out in her sweats, hair messed up and she says, "what have we done?" In walks Howard and the guys. They just came home from shopping. "I got super hero baby wipes! They fight crime and tushie!" he says while flipping them in the air. At one point the baby starts crying again. Stuart says, "I'll take this shift." and goes to take care of Hallie. He gets her quiet immediately and it makes her sad and she starts to cry as she sits on the couch. Howard sits down next to her to ask her what's wrong, "nothing, these are happy tears." "Oh, okay...." Howard replies. "They're not happy tears, you big (I forgot what she calls him)." She is sad and thinks the baby doesn't like her. Howard makes a comment maybe Stuart is so successful because Hallie is playing the possum trick (not his wording but the implication is play dead until he goes away I guess). Raj makes a comment that maybe the baby is just a, "jerk". He also made some comments that back home in India, when his baby brother cried, the servants would just take the baby far away so they could hear him, either that or THEY would just leave.

Back to the present, someone (I forgot who) asked Howard how things were/are for him and he mentioned everything was good, besides all the crying. Flashback of him sitting in bed next to a crying Bernie who is still sad thinking her baby doesn't like her. "How can she hate me? I'm like a human milk machine, that's like hating a frozen yogurt machine...,"she cries. Howard is trying his best to comfort her until he loses it and starts crying too.

Finally, the sweetest part of the flashback: Howard opens the door to Hallie's room to check on Bernie with the baby. It's dark and silent. He's whispering, asking where she is. "down here..." she whispers. He slowly walks across the room and uses his  cell phone to light his path and there is Bernie laying down in the crib with the baby wrapped up in a blanket sleeping by her side. Howard asks how she could fit in there and I'm forgetting her response. Howard makes a joke about thinking outside of the box since she was basically in one (the crib). He asks her if she wants help out of the crib but she wants to stay with Hallie. He squats down near the crib and asks Bernie, "is it okay if I gets some sleep?" She smiles at him and tells him to go ahead. Howard reaches his hand in towards Bernie and says, "good job, mommy...." She tells him not to make her cry. It was so sweet!!!! That pretty much concludes Howardette's story.

At one point while everyone had been listening to Howardette's story, Sheldon did some googling about the blues that women have after giving birth. He read that being encouraging and complimentary to the new mom is good for her. He pats Bernie on the head and says, "You're doing a good job." "Thank you, Sheldon, I feel better...", Bernie says with a smile.

The tag scene is everyone leaving 4A. They say their goodbyes and Leonard or Penny asked when Howardette return to work, Howard mentions he's in paternity leave and Sheldon chimes in, "a small human reeks havoc (pardon my spelling on those if it's incorrect) on his wife's genitals and he gets time off..." he shakes his head and starts to follow Howard out. Howard turns around, "with pay, sucker! (another take: with pay, homie!)" Everyone is out, then Howard comes back in, "I forgot the baby, I'm new at this...." as he heads back towards Lennies bedroom. THE END. Anything I left out will be a surprise for you all.

Thank you both for this , @A Shamy gal and

@MJistheBOMB for this. :wub:

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9 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

Couldn't agree more with you.This Shamy plot  doesn't seem to be any payoff ! Mary still ends up ordering him to take off the piercing and Amy cleans it up for him. Neither does Sheldon learn anything about maturing, nor do Amy and Mary seem to  respect his desire to be treated as a grown man.

Just previous episode he is having sex and now, it sounds like baby sitting all over again. That seems so disturbing ! Yikes. I just can't reconcile the 2 things. 

I personally think it is wrong to go behind your partner's back and not consult them over major decisions about the relationship . Its why I hated Sheldon's actions in Mars application episode . Its why I also disliked Penny throwing Leonard's stuff behind his back.  Communication is important.  Even if Amy's  intentions are good   , for Sheldon’s  benefit, she should let Sheldon  decide for himself or atleast tell him that she has already told his  mother . Making a decision for someone else, without their knowledge shows you think you know what is better for them ,  than they know themselves. And that is condescending and also similar to mothering. Sheldon doesn't need protecting, coddling and pampering ! He is supposed to be Amy's equal partner, not her kid ! It sounds so so CREEPY. LOL .  

Maybe there is a secret "I want to be my boyfriend's mother /caretaker" exclusive  club that some ladies of Tbbt have joined.

There is no etiquette for communicating the information a couple is living over the brush. The fashion for it is too new and, for all anybody knows, could be outdated soon. It's awkward to talk about outside the circle who find it acceptable or don't say if they don't. We don't know for sure that Amy was going behind Sheldon's back : Mary may have asked Amy for the truth when they were making arrangements for Shamy's visit and told Amy she wanted to hear it from Sheldon. It's what I'd do.

Who's going to tell Amy's mother BTW  ? Oh boy ! Who can think of a scenario in which Penny tells her ?

It's going to seem very tame when they finally get married. If we have to have a naughty couple, I'm glad it's Shamy.

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Thanks to everyone who provided taping info...I truly appreciate those who take the time and energy (and sometimes rather hefty personal expense) to attend tapings.  

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Thank you for the spoilers!! :)

The howardette story seems super cute, can't wait to see it! :) At least one couple is acting like grown ups.

Lenny...well, at least they did something together without Sheldon. But they could have shown them resolving that fight with...something cutesy. I still think they r a bit rough around the edges, sorry. It would be nice to see them warm and lovey dovey for once.

Shamy. Dear lord. These writers are such fools. They mess this issue up every time. Sheldon's grievances were correct, they need to treat him like an adult, enough canoodling. But then this man becomes a man child again and does something so silly, makes you wonder why the writers are so hesitant to show sheldon grow up a bit. What should have been resolved in a definite conversation ended in idiotic histronics without any conclusion. So, yeah basically Sheldon will be Sheldon. Which means crazy and childlike. Grow up writers.

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3 hours ago, john2p said:

@ a shamy gal thanks for this extended tape report. I really appreciate it. Still I don´t get a great feeling about my Lenny´s, when I read their storyline. And I will be called a negative one here. But it really looks like the crappy convention story. Will this grow their relationship? I hope so. The other storyline of the Shamy, I don´t get it really (I mean it sounds so unlogical. Meeemaw did already know they were together, and warned Sheldon not to give the ring to Amy, and now his mom doesn´t know?) But it looks like the writers love to write about conflicts. And yes I know that is what comedy always do, seeking for conflicts, because they are hilarious. 

Do their relationship need to be grown? Ehh I could take or leave it: if it makes me laugh, I'm fine. They are married now . So I don't think theirs much growing to be achieved. Very least chopping trees. Which leads to a discussion about their first Chiristmas lol. Sorry I might be in the minority here. But I could care less about character growth .

17 minutes ago, sam25233 said:

Thank you for the spoilers!! :)

The howardette story seems super cute, can't wait to see it! :) At least one couple is acting like grown ups.

Lenny...well, at least they did something together without Sheldon. But they could have shown them resolving that fight with...something cutesy. I still think they r a bit rough around the edges, sorry. It would be nice to see them warm and lovey dovey for once.

Shamy. Dear lord. These writers are such fools. They mess this issue up every time. Sheldon's grievances were correct, they need to treat him like an adult, enough canoodling. But then this man becomes a man child again and does something so silly, makes you wonder why the writers are so hesitant to show sheldon grow up a bit. What should have been resolved in a definite conversation ended in idiotic histronics without any conclusion. So, yeah basically Sheldon will be Sheldon. Which means crazy and childlike. Grow up writers.

While Leonard and Penny are rough around the edges . Imo we constantly see them in love. It may not have be in the typical conventional . Roses, flowers, candle light dinner. Or some sappy romantic kinda way you see all the time.  I like how it's not over simplified . Example Few episodes back. Penny telling Leonard she loves he's him after changing his room. The way Leonard last Episode. Protected Penny as they walked in 4A. It may not be lovey dovey or over the top. But small things to me personally scream love.  I said they are realistically written because they are. But that's jmo.

And I think the writers do a pretty good job. Sheldons still Sheldon . That well never change.

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Let's hope there's a promo for "The Birthday Synchronicity," during tomorrow's re-run! I can hear the announcer's voice-over already, "Who's ready for a BIG BANG baby?!" ONE. MORE. WEEK.

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