[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Vittoria Jacoel]

14th of February was when she mentioned to the rabbit Valentino she was pregnant. That wasn't the first day of the pregnancy !  When they told their friends Bernadette had already been to the doctor, which suggests she was two or three months along.

Probably you are right!


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[April]

8 minutes ago, Vittoria Jacoel said:

From the 14th of February to November is a period of 9 months!

But if the conception has been before the time that we know about the pregnancy,you are right!
 

Fun fact: the first month of pregnancy you aren't actually pregnant. Those 9 months are counted from the last menstruation, then round about week 2 there's ovulation and until week 3 fertilisation of the egg. Then at about week 4 the egg will implant into the uterus wall. Only after that you can even know you're pregnant so even at the earliest you're already past your first month.

If we assume Bernie knew at the earliest possible date then that fateful boring train lecture would have happened in early/mid January at the latest. Add 9 months to that then you end up in late September/early October.

[Vittoria Jacoel]

Fun fact: the first month of pregnancy you aren't actually pregnant. Those 9 months are counted from the last menstruation, then round about week 2 there's ovulation and until week 3 fertilisation of the egg. Then at about week 4 the egg will implant into the uterus wall. Only after that you can even know you're pregnant so even at the earliest you're already past your first month.
If we assume Bernie knew at the earliest possible date then that fateful boring train lecture would have happened in early/mid January at the latest. Add 9 months to that then you end up in late September/early October.

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[Chrismo]

27 minutes ago, April said:

Fun fact: the first month of pregnancy you aren't actually pregnant. Those 9 months are counted from the last menstruation, then round about week 2 there's ovulation and until week 3 fertilisation of the egg. Then at about week 4 the egg will implant into the uterus wall. Only after that you can even know you're pregnant so even at the earliest you're already past your first month.

If we assume Bernie knew at the earliest possible date then that fateful boring train lecture would have happened in early/mid January at the latest. Add 9 months to that then you end up in late September/early October.

Way too much information. LOL

[kimbee73]

I am going to weigh in to this birth storyline just because it has been driving  me crazy. I can honestly say I don't care when she gave birth as long as it was before the next Valentine's Day. I have asked several people I know who watch the show if they remember when Bernadette announced she was pregnant. I had one tell me March, one say I know she told the bunny and another have absolutely no idea. Then I asked do you remember when Amy's birthday was and almost all say no. It is us fans that are completely invested in accuracy, which I have to say kind of pisses me off that she was pregnant for so long, but the general audience isn't paying that close attention to dates or what is actually happening. Honestly if they hadn't made such a big deal about the Star Wars movie at the same time as Amy's birthday then we probably wouldn't have noticed it either.

 

 

[hokie3457]

My irritation is so, so much less concerning "Halley Birthdaygate" than some others.  However, the main problem is that they identified the surrounding events.  Amy's birthday being the same date as the premier of The Force Awakens and Bernadette's telling her friends she was "on the nest" at Valentine’s Day.  If not for that, there would be no concrete, identifiable date for the birth to be expected.  Even if the events occurred over a year apart in real time, the timeline of TBBT is (most of the time) is invisible and timeless.  We never hear any talk of hot summer-like or extremely cold weather (they are in Southern California, so......).  The only times we can fix are when episodes occur during a "holiday season".  So far for TBBT those have been Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year’s Day and Valentine's Day.....

[Tensor]

1 hour ago, Vittoria Jacoel said:

From the 14th of February to November is a period of 9 months!

But if the conception has been before the time that we know about the pregnancy,you are right!
 

Conception would have had to have been 10-21 days earlier, for her to know on Feb 14th.   I could have bought early November, as it's possible she could have tested positive, if conception had been the first week of Feb. . My mom knew in late Feb (24th)and I was born in mid November(14th)

[joyceraye]

 

20 minutes ago, Vittoria Jacoel said:

Ok,I understand!


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Yes !  Conception is quite a process. It takes at least a fortnight to get going and another one before it's complete.  ( Eggs that are fertilised in a lab can legally be experimented  on for up to fourteen days.) When I was working in the field, the rule of thumb was nine calendar months plus seven days from the first day of the last menstruation to  delivery. It was not advised for a woman to consider she might be pregnant until she had missed two periods. The doctor wouldn't examine her until she had missed three and even then couldn't always confirm it.  These days, now there are ultrasound scans it's much easier to confirm a pregnancy and how far it is along. There are tests on the market that can tell us as soon as an egg is fertilised but it is unwise to assume this is a pregnancy - although that's how the tests are advertised - and it causes a lot of heartache because  it doesn't mean a viable pregnancy is necessarily underway, as April points out.  Bernadette would know this. As Sheldon told Amy, there are thirty-six best fertile hours but as everyone who has not nodded off in that part of the biology lesson knows, anything can happen between ovulation and the next menstruation. There are several stages and they all have names, remember ? Zygote, blastocyst etc ? Most of them do nothing in the end.  Only if the fertilised egg differentiates its cells appropriately and then implants into the uterine wall once it's made its way still alive down the fallopian tube - or grown well in a petri dish and been inserted - when the endometrium is stable, and then continues to develop properly, is it an embryo that's going to turn into a foetus and then into a child. ( This is how the contraceptive coil works  : it keeps the endometrium unstable. ) If it doesn't implant well or the cells don't develop properly, it aborts itself. If it hangs on for enough months it eventually discovers the exit and heigh ho it's yelling like Howard's mother and making Raj a godfather. Those who like me are old enough remember when married people said, 'We were trying for x months for little Margaret' or, 'We've had a false alarm' or, 'We can't say we're expecting yet but we're hoping' or ' I thought I was pregnant but I wasn't' or 'It was only a late period after all'. Now they buy wee sticks from the pharmacy and say they've lost a baby. It's sad. Assuming Bernadette had her nine week confirmation scan at the doctor's and told PAmy all the rules the doctor had given her, if it was the same day she told Howard, the incident on Sheldon's bed could have happened in December. The scan that got Rajardette all excited would probably have been the sixteen-week one when a lot more development is discernible. When Bernadette told Howard and they announced the pregnancy, nobody actually said how far pregnant Bernadette was or what the date was. Six to nine weeks by Valentine's Day is a reasonable guess.

[Vittoria Jacoel]

 
Yes !  Conception is quite a process. It takes at least a fortnight to get going and another one before it's complete.  ( Eggs that are fertilised in a lab can legally be experimented  on for up to fourteen days.) When I was working in the field, the rule of thumb was nine calendar months plus seven days from the first day of the last menstruation to  delivery. It was not advised for a woman to consider she might be pregnant until she had missed two periods. The doctor wouldn't examine her until she had missed three and even then couldn't always confirm it.  These days, now there are ultrasound scans it's much easier to confirm a pregnancy and how far it is along. There are tests on the market that can tell us as soon as an egg is fertilised but it is unwise to assume this is a pregnancy - although that's how the tests are advertised - and it causes a lot of heartache because  it doesn't mean a viable pregnancy is necessarily underway, as April points out.  Bernadette would know this. As Sheldon told Amy, there are thirty-six best fertile hours but as everyone who has not nodded off in that part of the biology lesson knows, anything can happen between ovulation and the next menstruation. There are several stages and they all have names, remember ? Zygote, blastocyst etc ? Most of them do nothing in the end.  Only if the fertilised egg differentiates its cells appropriately and then implants into the uterine wall once it's made its way still alive down the fallopian tube - or grown well in a petri dish and been inserted - when the endometrium is stable, and then continues to develop properly, is it an embryo that's going to turn into a foetus and then into a child. ( This is how the contraceptive coil works  : it keeps the endometrium unstable. ) If it doesn't implant well or the cells don't develop properly, it aborts itself. If it hangs on for enough months it eventually discovers the exit and heigh ho it's yelling like Howard's mother and making Raj a godfather. Those who like me are old enough remember when married people said, 'We were trying for x months for little Margaret' or, 'We've had a false alarm' or, 'We can't say we're expecting yet but we're hoping' or ' I thought I was pregnant but I wasn't' or 'It was only a late period after all'. Now they buy wee sticks from the pharmacy and say they've lost a baby. It's sad. Assuming Bernadette had her nine week confirmation scan at the doctor's and told PAmy all the rules the doctor had given her, if it was the same day she told Howard, the incident on Sheldon's bed could have happened in December. The scan that got Rajardette all excited would probably have been the sixteen-week one when a lot more development is discernible. When Bernadette told Howard and they announced the pregnancy, nobody actually said how far pregnant Bernadette was or what the date was. Six to nine weeks by Valentine's Day is a reasonable guess.

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[vonmar]

From TBBT You Tube Channel...

 

[joyceraye]

 

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

Conception would have had to have been 10-21 days earlier, for her to know on Feb 14th.   I could have bought early November, as it's possible she could have tested positive, if conception had been the first week of Feb. . My mom knew in late Feb (24th)and I was born in mid November(14th)

Wow ! Your mother knew very early on. Thank goodness you stuck !

[5Mississippis]

1 hour ago, hokie3457 said:

My irritation is so, so much less concerning "Halley Birthdaygate" than some others.  However, the main problem is that they [ -- SNIP -- ]

LOL! 'Hailey Birthdaygate'! 

The only thing that really irks me is that they just had to prolong the pregnancy so they could force fit the birthday around and into the  Shamy milestone of coitus. WTF? Why did they even have to do that? The birth is special enough that it should have had it's own moment. To me, it just stands as yet another reminder of the TPTB long standing aggressive Shamy bias. 

[mirs1]

7 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Don't worry.  If it's the baby, it'll most likely be somebody making the sound. There'd be more than one name if we were seeing her because in TV and film productions they use twins or triplets to play babies.

You were right, the actress was a friend of Carol Ann Susi and was intended as an homage to her...

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/the-big-bang-theory-baby-wolowitz-birthday-synchronicity-howard-bernadette-1201938673/

That is very sweet!

Edited December 13, 2016 by mirs1

[legacy99]

I don't know why we are suprised by the Howardette storyline being interupted by the shamy storyline. Tptb interrupted the lenny wedding and the renewal of their vows by sheldon. I guess sheldon is a equal opportunity interrupter

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[Chrismo]

26 minutes ago, vonmar said:

From TBBT You Tube Channel...

 

I'll apologize now, That picture I really didn't need to see. Not exactly courting the male viewer.

[john2p]

3 hours ago, Carlos said:

I understand what you're saying, but they even have a science consultant on the show to be able to get the science right. Would it be too much of a stretch to hire someone who can count to nine? I don't think so. Besides that, I am totally with you when you say that they will do anything for a joke (or a laugh). However, the problem, at least with me, is that these amazingly big blunders, lack of continuity, or downright OOC issues are not funny at all, not to mention that they undermine my suspension of disbelief. After all, TBBT is fiction, and as such it is predicated on the fact that we believe we are seeing the lives of the characters arranged in funny ways. If we are taken out of the overall story by glaring mistakes it goes against what it is trying to accomplish, I think.

First of all I agree with all you are saying. But I don´t think those are blunders, but "calculated mistakes". With all we know about this show, we do know how professional they are. But seriously, this show, with all the experienced writers-producers-actors and also with certainly PARENTS in their staff do need scientists for the pregnancy story? High school students with some biology classes can do this math. So I do state everything on this show happens on purpose. About their motives? Well sure for entertainment. For all the criticism I have, I admire the whole TBBT for their professionalism. Because in the end they make everyone attached to this show. At such level it´s addictive. And with a real drug it has its negative effects and flaws for example throwing inconsistency, incongruenty for the sake of the laugh but also for the controversy to keep this show alive!

Edited December 13, 2016 by john2p

[Chrismo]

Does the promo equate to episode airtime? Lenny will get to see 2-3 minutes. Rather see Lenny in bed.

[veejay]

12 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I'll apologize now, That picture I really didn't need to see. Not exactly courting the male viewer.

[Chrismo]

On ‎11‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 5:24 AM, veejay said:

Sure! 

Now that's better.

[Tensor]

55 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

 

Wow ! Your mother knew very early on. Thank goodness you stuck !

I have a good grip.  

Actually, I wouldn't have known, except I heard the story.  My mom told her parents the day she found out, on my grandmothers birthday, the 24th of February.   When I was older, I always kidded my parents that I knew what they did on Valentine's Day.  14 Feb to 14 Nov is nine months. 

[Tonstar17]

45 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Now that's better.

Or this

[wowbagger]

Is it very much more difficult to write a show with reasonable continuity? Because okay, the show can argue that casual viewers won't notice or care about goofs in characterisation or elephant pregnancies or what-have-you. But by that token, presumably casual viewers will also not come at you with pitchforks if you mentally sort out Lenny's financial position and stick to it, or have Bernie give birth after a nine-month gestation?

Also, the argument of 'eh, most of our viewers won't care' only works if it is tacked on to 'look, we simply had to do it'. And you know what? No, you did not simply have to have Shamy Coitus 2.0 be on Amy's birthday which is also Halley's birthday*. Casual viewers would not have cared if Bernie had given birth after nine months and the Shamy had had coitus some time before her sodding birthday. Or even if the episode had been primarily about the arrival of Halley with no Shamy coitus. Nobody was putting a gun to your heads and making you pin Bernie's pregnancy revelation to one known date (Valentine's Day) and Amy's birthday to another (the release of a hotly-anticipated blockbuster). Similarly, nobody was putting a gun to your heads last season and making Penny be in debt (she should fire her financial 'guy' of Season Eight, eh?), while Leonard had a secret bank account (.....and what happened to his student debt?). Nobody made you make the two of them stress about money while also paying rent for two flats. These are all unforced errors. If casual viewers don't care about your fuckups, I guarantee you they will forgive your occasional spasms of logic and internal consistency - or occasional bouts of adequacy, as @JE7 once put it.

* Unless you believe my Writers' Room Fanfics, that is....

Edited December 13, 2016 by wowbagger

[vonmar]

From Glamour: http://www.glamour.com/story/the-big-bang-theory-season-10-winter-finale-spoilers

The Big Bang Theory Season 10 Winter Finale Spoilers: Bernadette Gives Birth and Sheldon and Amy Have Big Coitus Plans

The winter finale of The Big Bang Theory is going out with a bang! Bernadette and Howard will welcome Baby Wolowitz this Thursday night—and even though I know the gender and name, I'm not going to reveal it here (but come back to Glamour.com after the episode airs to find out everything...). The birth coincides with the second anniversary of the first time Sheldon and Amy had coitus, which means Shamy fans are in for a real treat—as well as the unexpected. And here's another teaser: If you're a Harry Potter fan, you definitely won't want to miss a minute of the episode.

To get more scoop on what's to come for our favorite gang of misfits, we went straight to executive producer Steve Molaro to get the lowdown. What will happen to Sheldon's spot on the couch now that he's moved out? What's the real story behind the apartment switch? And will a Shamy engagement happen before season's end? All your questions are finally about to be answered. (more in the link)...

[Swedish Chef]

8 minutes ago, vonmar said:

From Glamour: http://www.glamour.com/story/the-big-bang-theory-season-10-winter-finale-spoilers

The Big Bang Theory Season 10 Winter Finale Spoilers: Bernadette Gives Birth and Sheldon and Amy Have Big Coitus Plans

The winter finale of The Big Bang Theory is going out with a bang! Bernadette and Howard will welcome Baby Wolowitz this Thursday night—and even though I know the gender and name, I'm not going to reveal it here (but come back to Glamour.com after the episode airs to find out everything...). The birth coincides with the second anniversary of the first time Sheldon and Amy had coitus, which means Shamy fans are in for a real treat—as well as the unexpected. And here's another teaser: If you're a Harry Potter fan, you definitely won't want to miss a minute of the episode.

To get more scoop on what's to come for our favorite gang of misfits, we went straight to executive producer Steve Molaro to get the lowdown. What will happen to Sheldon's spot on the couch now that he's moved out? What's the real story behind the apartment switch? And will a Shamy engagement happen before season's end? All your questions are finally about to be answered. (more in the link)...

Lenny is so out in the cold, not even a word about them.

[hokie3457]

3 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

Lenny is so out in the cold, not even a word about them.

Not only that, he speaks about their home as if it is still Sheldon's......