[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[nickelette424]

1 minute ago, FileXxX said:

I'd have to watch the episode first to judge, but my biggest fear is that it'll erase the spark of their relationship that made me fall in love with them, turning it more into bureaucracy, rather than romance. Doesn't seem healthy at all.

I wouldn't have a RA in my relationship, but I think, at least for a little while, it worked for Shamy.  Whether or not it will work for Lenny will depend on a lot of things.  What kinds of things are in this RA?  How strict is it?  Maybe it's just more of an outline for structure.  Who knows?  We'll have to see how they play this out.

[legacy99]

Jmo but i think lenny just became Sheldon's lap dogs

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[JE7]

2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Jmo but i think lenny just became Sheldon's lap dogs

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Just became? They have been that way since at least season hate, they exist only to serve the Sheldon collective and apparently resistance IS futile 

TBTB will have their Sheldon centric show where he is the go to font of all knowledge and wisdom even if they have to destroy the show to get it

[legacy99]

Just became? They have been that way since at least season hate, they exist only to serve the Sheldon collective and apparently resistance IS futile 
TBTB will have their Sheldon centric show where he is the go to font of all knowledge and wisdom even if they have to destroy the show to get it

This espiode will be icing on the cake

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[veejay]

3 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

This espiode will be icing on the cake

Yeah, he has a hard way to go.

[Judith]

The Lenny situation isn't out of nowhere. 1) Remember their exchange in Brain Bowl. 2) Throughout the season there have been vibes of complacency.

[JE7]

10 minutes ago, Judith said:

 Throughout the season there have been vibes of complacenc

only from the writers

[wowbagger]

Well. Goodness.

Okay, first of all: Many thanks, shamyyellow! I hope you had a fabulous time!

as to the rest:

1) the raj/howard plot sounds charming!

2) Ahahahahahahahahaha the Shamy sound hilarious! Hand on heart, it makes 1000000% sense to me that the Shamy would become *that* couple, in the most insufferable way.

3) Amy has all her clothes on under her robe AHAHAHAHAHA!

3) Lenny, now? Hmmmmmm. Okay, let's think about this. There is some merit to what Penny says in that we have heard Leonard say that he doesn't have to try anymore because he's married etc. But honestly, I think that the Lenny plot is less about Lenny than a sort of mea culpa from the show about how they have treated Lenny. By which I mean: This is the writers admitting that THEY haven't been trying. That THEY have struggled with Lenny's transition to married life. The relationship agreement from that perspective could be seen as a commitment from THE SHOW to - not turn Lenny into Shamy, that would be absurd - but to watch for their own tendencies to drift with Lenny. So I don't know that I agree entirely with the premise of the Lenny plot, but I do think that SOMEONE is guilty if not trying anymore with Lenny, and I'm glad it was admitted.

[kazzie]

Yay Shamy kiss!

 

(Again)

[JE7]

On 12/14/2016 at 7:14 AM, wowbagger said:

Well. Goodness.

Okay, first of all: Many thanks, shamyyellow! I hope you had a fabulous time!

as to the rest:

1) the raj/howard plot sounds charming!

2) Ahahahahahahahahaha the Shamy sound hilarious! Hand on heart, it makes 1000000% sense to me that the Shamy would become *that* couple, in the most insufferable way.

3) Amy has all her clothes on under her robe AHAHAHAHAHA!

3) Lenny, now? Hmmmmmm. Okay, let's think about this. There is some merit to what Penny says in that we have heard Leonard say that he doesn't have to try anymore because he's married etc. But honestly, I think that the Lenny plot is less about Lenny than a sort of mea culpa from the show about how they have treated Lenny. By which I mean: This is the writers admitting that THEY haven't been trying. That THEY have struggled with Lenny's transition to married life. The relationship agreement from that perspective could be seen as a commitment from THE SHOW to - not turn Lenny into Shamy, that would be absurd - but to watch for their own tendencies to drift with Lenny. So I don't know that I agree entirely with the premise of the Lenny plot, but I do think that SOMEONE is guilty if not trying anymore with Lenny, and I'm glad it was admitted.

Sorry my friend but I can not agree, even if you are right and TBTB have realized they have messed up with Lenny pulling a mini 8.24 out if their ass to shake things up and generate talk over the break, by making penny unsatisfied, bringing on the angst (which is the only way the can write them now days) and pushing Sheldon into the mix and having them ask for an R/A is just.... Stupid? Asinine? Ridiculous? Take your pick.

All I can say for sure is I will not watch this episode, not even once and I think it portends more angst and degradation for Lenny

Edited January 11, 2017 by JE7
Nailed it (sigh) :(

[veejay]

19 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

Well. Goodness.

..................

Okay, after a certain time of reassurance, your point of view seems plausible to me. As a logical apologist of the human race, I hereby give you my right. As a sympathetic and feverish fan, well ... we’ll see. 

[john2p]

For once I will try to look it from the bright side: if this all lead to the realisation of the Sheldon Nightmare about Lenny I am in. Speaking of inconsisteny; why would he dream just about that one thing; the sexpassion between Lenny. It´s because they are that kind of couple isn´t it?

[john2p]

And than my darkest fear: here is my plotline for the rest of the season and maybe season 11. After they have made the agreement the Lenny looks in a good place. But suddenly Penny (again) feels uncomfortable by guiding their passions with rules and agreements. She suddenly realizes she is in her heart spontaneous and impulsive. And think over her marriage. This isn´t what I want. I want a divorce. It was all a huge mistake. Leonard is a very nice guy, but not the one. Hmmm, Raj is an impulsive type. OMG and he can be so romantic with his Indian love stories. And he comes from a wealthy family. Oh yes that is some comedic line. Meanwhile Priya comes visit Raj and the gang. It strucks Leonard´s mind that she is georgous and smart. And she was willing to have sex in a Stark Trek Uniform, internetsex, something kinky and fetishish Penny never has done. And so they all have a good ending with a big bang.......

Edited December 14, 2016 by john2p

[3ku11]

46 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

Well. Goodness.

Okay, first of all: Many thanks, shamyyellow! I hope you had a fabulous time!

as to the rest:

1) the raj/howard plot sounds charming!

2) Ahahahahahahahahaha the Shamy sound hilarious! Hand on heart, it makes 1000000% sense to me that the Shamy would become *that* couple, in the most insufferable way.

3) Amy has all her clothes on under her robe AHAHAHAHAHA!

3) Lenny, now? Hmmmmmm. Okay, let's think about this. There is some merit to what Penny says in that we have heard Leonard say that he doesn't have to try anymore because he's married etc. But honestly, I think that the Lenny plot is less about Lenny than a sort of mea culpa from the show about how they have treated Lenny. By which I mean: This is the writers admitting that THEY haven't been trying. That THEY have struggled with Lenny's transition to married life. The relationship agreement from that perspective could be seen as a commitment from THE SHOW to - not turn Lenny into Shamy, that would be absurd - but to watch for their own tendencies to drift with Lenny. So I don't know that I agree entirely with the premise of the Lenny plot, but I do think that SOMEONE is guilty if not trying anymore with Lenny, and I'm glad it was admitted.

Yeah maybe they're merit to it. I just don't think I care anymore. The show have officially tuned me out. Want to admit of not trying with Lenny great. But that's a writers error. Not the characters . Feels they have used to the characters as some kinda scapegoat . For admission of error.

Edited December 14, 2016 by 3ku11

[john2p]

1 minute ago, Kathy2611 said:

I know we're not supposed to tell people on here how to feel etc, about an episode but this right here?!  You have absolutely NO room to talk if you don't at least watch it once and see for yourself instead of taking one persons word for it (btw, MANY thanks to Shamyyellow and all others that are kind enough to give a TR).  Especially after editing and tweeking that goes on before we see the FINISHED product.  

I get that you and the rest of the Lennies are upset and yeah, rightfully so.  Lenny has been ignored a bit and thrown on the back burner more than they should but even when I first read the TR report, I got the same vibe that Wow got but I didn't voice it.  Besides, Wow did it so much better than I could've anyway. 

Go ahead and bitch and moan.  God knows some of us Shamies did during rough patches of their relationship but now look at them.  But to sit there bitching and moaning AND refusing to at least watch the episode when it comes out to see for yourself how it all plays out is just childish and immature.  In the end, I think they'll all be in good places in their lives.

Well, I don't know about Raj....

Read my solution for Raj´s...

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, john2p said:

 

Thank you so much for your really detailled report. I will calm down my self and not react too impulsive as I did with the christmas tree report. All I have to say is that I don´t have a good feeling about it. And I know I have to wait till the real episode is aired. Still now I have two upcoming episodes with a bad feeling. Ok I will explain, it´s not even the fight between Lenny. That is some old story going on. But wtf an agreement made up by Sheldon? how much influence does this guy need on their relationship?

Considering the influence and involvement all the gang, especially Penny, have had with the Shamy development over the years, the least Sheldon can do is to bring to bear his agreement-writing skills for Lenny's sake. With one thing and another, including Sheldon's needs when he nearly went bananas after Amy left him,  Lenny have been muddling along not knowing where they stand for practical purposes, even though they became a covenanted, married couple - as opposed to friends or on-and-off lovers for eight years - over a year and a half ago. They apparently hadn't discussed future expectations when they were engaged. Considering the rocky start their insecurities got the marriage off to, they've done pretty well up to now. At least they're admitting to each other - and to others because nobody in this ensemble keeps even the most delicate stuff private - that there are potential husband and wife problems.

 If getting something down on paper helps them, let them go for it ! Although they had two weddings there were no vows ( unless we didn't hear them while Shamy were falling out );  a firm framework with a contract to refer to could well be what they need for the time being. Penny found the Room Mate Agreement useful so perhaps something after the order of what's been in the marriage service for centuries but spelled out in terms of modern living is just the job until they figure out a modus vivendi for themselves.

Edited December 14, 2016 by joyceraye

[3ku11]

1 minute ago, Kathy2611 said:

I know we're not supposed to tell people on here how to feel etc, about an episode but this right here?!  You have absolutely NO room to talk if you don't at least watch it once and see for yourself instead of taking one persons word for it (btw, MANY thanks to Shamyyellow and all others that are kind enough to give a TR).  Especially after editing and tweeking that goes on before we see the FINISHED product.  

I get that you and the rest of the Lennies are upset and yeah, rightfully so.  Lenny has been ignored a bit and thrown on the back burner more than they should but even when I first read the TR report, I got the same vibe that Wow got but I didn't voice it.  Besides, Wow did it so much better than I could've anyway. 

Go ahead and bitch and moan.  God knows some of us Shamies did during rough patches of their relationship but now look at them.  But to sit there bitching and moaning AND refusing to at least watch the episode when it comes out to see for yourself how it all plays out is just childish and immature.  In the end, I think they'll all be in good places in their lives.

Well, I don't know about Raj....

Rough patches? Like broken up two episodes lol? Try two and a half years. Problem is Lenny fans been told this every season for a while now. Give it time etc. I don't want to give it time anymore. The show has had their opportunities . I've had enough.

[HeWolf]

12 hours ago, Tensor said:

Sure it is.  Exactly how does Lenny redecorate, if they can't get different furniture?  It almost seems as if moving Sheldon completely out, and letting Lenny do what they want, is the writers kryptonite.  

Redecorating 4A is problematic. That apartment, the furnishings, and decorations are iconic to the show. This is the primary reason it made little sense to install Shamy in 4B. That apartment was Penny's. In most relationships the man would move into the woman's already established nest. Sheldon, being who he is, would have wanted to stay in his own space. So, Amy would have moved into 4A. 

That said; I find it highly unlikely that Penny would allow 4A to remain some sort of Nirdvana. She would want to redecorate the entire place, but certainly the communal areas, just as Dr. Stephanie once transformed Leonard's room. 

[5Mississippis]

2 hours ago, No Regrets said:

But Im absolutely livid and I'm close to completely giving up on this show.

They barely write anything for Lenny at all and now all of a sudden I'm supposed to buy that their marriage is going so badly? These writers continue to come up with new ways to say FUCK YOU to Lenny fans.

But yay! SHELDON THE RELATIONSHIP EXPERT TO THE RESCUE.

I don't recognize my two favorite characters anymore and I just want Johnny and Kaley gone from the show so I can finally stop watching.

This. Soooo much. 

Yet another Lenny face slap with Suppository Sheldon inserted into unbelievably in their lives. 

 

[john2p]

2 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Considering the influence and involvement all the gang, especially Penny, have had with the Shamy development over the years, the least Sheldon can do is to bring to bear his agreement-writing skills for Lenny's sake. With one thing and another Lenny have muddled along not knowing where they stand for practical purposes, even though they became a covenanted, married couple as opposed to friends or on-and-off lovers for eight years, over a year and a half ago. They apparently hadn't discussed future expectations when they were engaged. Considering the rocky start their insecurities got the marriage off to, they've done well up to now. At least they're admitting to each other - and to others because nobody in this ensemble keeps even the most delicate stuff private - that there are potential husband and wife problems.

 If getting something down on paper helps them, let them go for it. Although they had two weddings there were no vows ( unless we didn't hear them while Shamy were falling out );   a firm framework with a contract to refer to could well be what they need for the time being. Penny found the Room Mate Agreement useful so perhaps something after the order of what's been in the marriage service for centuries but spelled out in terms of modern living is just the job until they figure out a modus vivendi for themselves.

I can honestly say " I don´t know". I mean I really don´t where my ship was an where it´s heading to. If this good for them? It certainly doesn´t feel right and it does so for the majority of the Lenny´s. So there must be a reason why it is so threatening. And it is that from season 1 their relationship was very rocky. But back than it had a purpose. Not only comedical, also to see if the geek could actually get the beautiful girl next door. It is basically the same story line of R-R of friends, many know. But the difference was, when they arrived as a couple, they were a couple (season 10). But for the Lenny it must exaggerate again. For the purpose... It feels strange to me to have such an agreement, if needed (sic), done AFTER they have married (TWICE!). This is annoying, insulting. They were already broken up. And they had for god´s sake a beta test agreement. Why repeat that again. 

[kimbee73]

First thank you so much for the report shamyyellow. I hope you had fun and it sounds like you did.

Okay I very rarely weigh in on TR because I always like to see how it plays out before jumping to conclusions and in many cases I have been right it was better then it read. Then I read this one. Now as a Shamy shipper I can be very happy about the kiss and the I miss you's  but as a fan of the show I am not happy about what I read for Lenny. To me I think anyone who ships Lenny has every right to be pissed about what they read. I don't know if it will play out funny or not but I will watch it.

I got to thinking about some things as I was driving to work after reading this and I have come to my own conclusions about why I think they brought a relationship agreement into the mix(even though I do agree it is completely unnecessary).

Leonard has lived with Sheldon and his agreements for 13 years before this year. Last season when he and Penny tried to move out one of the first things that happened was the dinner schedule. Monday is Thai and Leonard was so used to that he had no idea what to eat so Penny decided to just go with it. This year he told Amy to stick to her guns about the bathroom because no matter where he was there had better be a bathroom at 7:18. This was all due to contracts he signed(willingly or unwillingly he still signed). So he has become so used to them it is almost as if he needs them(he doesn't but that is what I think)

Now as far as whether there is passion or not in the relationship I don't know. I don't see anything since they have not been featured but here is something else I was thinking about. Lenny is living alone(and actually alone) for the first time since they got married. For those of us that are married there is an adjustment period which I think is probably what they are going through. Since as many have put on here that there is only so much that can be shown in 18 minutes and a lot of the focus has been on Shamy then Howardette and the pregnancy, Lenny has been put on the backburner, and it sucks for you who ship them. Now they get this story and it seems there is trouble in paradise. I have not seen any indications in the episodes leading up to this that would show that but then again we aren't seeing their whole lives and it makes it hard. So I am going with the adjustment period of living alone is getting to them both and hopefully this agreement(whether I agree or not) is just a guide to help them and hopefully they have input, because I 100% agree that Sheldon is no expert in relationships at all and to make him this guru all of sudden is ridiculous. But him being a writer of contracts is not and him writing it doesn't seem crazy if they have the input to what is in it if that is what they think they need.

As always this is just my opinion and I get everyone's frustrations with the writers on this one. I hope it plays out better than it sounds for you. I do agree with some that you should give it a chance but that is up to you.

Edited December 14, 2016 by kimbee73

[No Regrets]

One of the things that pisses me off is: Penny has the nerve to say Leonard doesn't put any effort into their marriage when she can't even remember his fucking birthday.

None of this makes any sense. They're wrecking my favorite couple. Please GOD let it end soon.

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, nickelette424 said:

I wouldn't have a RA in my relationship, but I think, at least for a little while, it worked for Shamy.  Whether or not it will work for Lenny will depend on a lot of things.  What kinds of things are in this RA?  How strict is it?  Maybe it's just more of an outline for structure.  Who knows?  We'll have to see how they play this out.

I think at least temporarily it will work. They need something to get them off to a proper start. They do love each other but 24/365 a family home has to have loving agreements on how to deal with stresses and strains. Till Death us do part doesn't mean provoking the spouse to murder, and for richer for poorer doesn't mean spending all the money on comics or shoes before you've made sure you have enough for groceries. Some people really do need a check list to cope with all that.  I'd personally recommend moving to neutral territory too.

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

1) the raj/howard plot sounds charming!

I also really like the sound of the Howard and Raj plot as well in trying to come up with ridiculous maze like route to get to and from the crib without waking up Halley. They could have a lot of fun with devising that and I hope there is some silly props involved lol

[JE7]

Most shows jump the shark in one big move, TBTB did it slowly over years, 4.24, 8.24, season hate, the season on the island now this the next in many cases last straw to run off all the Lenny's who managed to hang on thru it all. 

Setting up for season 11 or rather season 1 of Dr. Sheldon Cooper presents Sheldon Cooper's The Big Bang Theory

They will even get a preview of what the rating's for a Lenny free show look like 

Edited December 14, 2016 by JE7