[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I doubt very much Sheldon wrote a contract for them based on what he thought they should do or giving his relationship advice. By the sounds of it they came up with the idea, they decided what they wanted in this RA ( I can imagine he went to both of them saying what do you want me to put in it) and he just typed it up.

Well, the TR states it was their idea and they think it looks great, so I guess that's all that matters. (I don't think they'd be saying it looks great if stuff like "no sentimentality" was in there.) So yeah, whatever floats their boat. If they're happy with that, I'm happy too.

But please, show us some of that recalibrated romance. I want to see some results.

13 minutes ago, April said:

Okay, I'm not sure if that helps but whatever:

What is a contract? At its core the most important part of a contract is that it is a mutual agreement between two parties. Marriage is a contract.

Now, the RA as such is a commitment in writing in which Lenny agree to certain terms and conditions to improve their relationship. There is nothing unhealthy about figuring out what doesn't work in a relationship and try to correct course like they do with this.  Naturally, the joke is in writing all this shit down and actually sign it, but if you think about it couples do this all the time. Really.

As for "punishments" or whatever: that would be negotiated as well. When Sheldon missed a couple of date nights he had to make up for them later. Simple as that. Lenny can come up with their own solution. Again, a contract is a mutual agreement and it was their idea so I take it they're serious about their commitment and devotion to each other here.

It'll take some time to get my head around that.

[joyceraye]

56 minutes ago, nickelette424 said:

Why would it have been better with Bernie?

It wouldn't. Poor Bernie. If a spa is what I think it is, a new mother couldn't have some of the treatments. She wouldn't get much out of it. Besides, she'd be having to express and discard if she was there for a whole weekend. Not worth it. Maybe in a few months and take the other girls ?

[Zhalen565]

Thank you for the report but it's made my New Year resolution so much easier, quit watching. The last thing I wanted to see was more Sheldon hooks in their relationship and that is exactly what the writers have done, he can interject at any point as he will remember every nuance of the agreement.  By all.

[Tonstar17]

Well I'm not surprised that TPTB went there with Lenny. Like I said yesterday on here, nothing the writers do to Lenny shocks me anymore. Since that interview where molaro admitted they love writing angst Lenny, I totally gave up on any sweetness when Lenny do have a story. The long running joke is in the background, all is good but on the front line. Issues seem to come out from nowhere that never existed or hinted on before.
First we had Penny not happy with her job which got brushed under the carpet.
Now we have her not happy with her relationship. What next. Divorce. I think this is a cliff hanger to get people talking and bring them back for the second half of the show. I'm not going to bitch about the plot cause like I said. No surprise there. But I would say that every episode I watch these days I take with a pinch of salt. I refuse to let TPTB ruin my life.

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[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Well I'm not surprised that TPTB went there with Lenny. Like I said yesterday on here, nothing the writers do to Lenny shocks me anymore. Since that interview where molaro admitted they love writing angst Lenny, I totally gave up on any sweetness when Lenny do have a story. The long running joke is in the background, all is good but on the front line. Issues seem to come out from nowhere that never existed or hinted on before.
First we had Penny not happy with her job which got brushed under the carpet.
Now we have her not happy with her relationship. What next. Divorce. I think this is a cliff hanger to get people talking and bring them back for the second half of the show. I'm not going to bitch about the plot cause like I said. No surprise there. But I would say that every episode I watch these days I take with a pinch of salt. I refuse to let TPTB ruin my life.

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But she did not say she's unhappy. Her dream/daydream in the beginning implies she's longing for some more romance and/or passion because Leonard let it slide for a while. Leonard might have thought she's perfectly okay, but turns out she wasn't. He probably didn't notice he fell into a routine. This is nothing they can't fix though.

[Tonstar17]

But she did not say she's unhappy. Her dream/daydream in the beginning implies she's longing for some more romance and/or passion because Leonard let it slide for a while. Leonard might have thought she's perfectly okay, but turns out she wasn't. He probably didn't notice he fell into a routine. This is nothing they can't fix though.

Was that part penny dreaming? I didn't know that? Oh well back to the tr

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[hokie3457]

22 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

But she did not say she's unhappy. Her dream/daydream in the beginning implies she's longing for some more romance and/or passion because Leonard let it slide for a while. Leonard might have thought she's perfectly okay, but turns out she wasn't. He probably didn't notice he fell into a routine. This is nothing they can't fix though.

Good point FileXxX.  I look at this as a good development.  The fact that Penny brings this up now and does not let it simmer is a positive.  To me, she has been portraying her passion about her relationship for most of Season 10.  In episode 10.01 she states how "incredibly happy" Leonard has made her.  It is time for him to step up and continue that.  In the episode where she and Amy attended Bert's (or is it Burt????) party, she enthusiastically asked about Leonard's standing in the university community and proudly identified herself of the girl he "wore down" instead of tricking her into marrying him (seems a little snarky, but I don't find it that way----we can go back to Season 6 where she stated on Valentine's Day that he'll keep asking her to marry him and eventually "I'll say yes"---in essence she said yes right then!!!).  The dopey agreement Sheldon seemingly assisted them in creating will I'm sure only be a nudge in the right direction.  I'm looking forward to seeing this play out and some positive attention coming Dr. & Mrs. Hofstadter's way......

Edited December 14, 2016 by hokie3457

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Was that part penny dreaming? I didn't know that? Oh well back to the tr

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This is from the report:

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The episode begins with Penny coming home from work and Leonard having prepared her a romantic dinner of flowers, wine, and pizza bagels. She says it reminds her of the 8th grade. Leonard intensifies that memory by expressing his feelings for her through NSYNC lyrics. She asks if he just quoted an NSYNC song to her to which he said, "I just quoted your favorite NSYNC song to you." It's a cute moment but swiftly cuts to Leonard sitting on the couch in his underwear playing video games while Penny looks on. I don't remember if Penny was dreaming or day dreaming, but the overall gist was comparing her fantasy to her reality.

So, she's dreaming of that totally sweet Leonard but in reality he spends the day playing games in his underwear. To me it's perfectly understandable why she's complaining. We all know Leonard and he will adjust, I'm 100% sure.

Edited December 14, 2016 by FileXxX

[Chrismo]

29 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

It wouldn't. Poor Bernie. If a spa is what I think it is, a new mother couldn't have some of the treatments. She wouldn't get much out of it. Besides, she'd be having to express and discard if she was there for a whole weekend. Not worth it. Maybe in a few months and take the other girls ?

I agree not right now. More my point if all things are equal.

[Tonstar17]

So, she's dreaming of that totally sweet Leonard but in reality he spends the day playing games in his underwear. To me it's perfectly understandable why she's complaining. We all know Leonard and he will adjust, I'm 100% sure.

Thanks for clearifing. Can't believe I miss that bit.

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[joyceraye]

27 minutes ago, Zhalen565 said:

Thank you for the report but it's made my New Year resolution so much easier, quit watching. The last thing I wanted to see was more Sheldon hooks in their relationship and that is exactly what the writers have done, he can interject at any point as he will remember every nuance of the agreement.  By all.

As a substitute I can recommend some old BBC series : One Foot in the Grave and Ever Decreasing Circles plus Last of the Summer Wine which is gentler.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Thanks for clearifing. Can't believe I miss that bit.

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I had to read it a couple of times, too. 

[Swedish Chef]

Not the slightest surprised when I read the TR about Lenny.

The writers doing their best  to ruin the Lenny relationship, and on top of that Sheldon as some sort of relationship guru.

 

[Chrismo]

3 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

Not the slightest surprised when I read the TR about Lenny.

The writers doing their best  to ruin the Lenny relationship, and on top of that Sheldon as some sort of relationship guru.

 

I don't see how this is ruining their relationship. There a married couple. I've been there myself. Sheldon may think he is a relationship guru no one else does.

[bbtfan07]

Vernee Watson is back as nurse Althea making some crack about Bernadette having three fathers for her baby since Howard, Raj and Stuart all show up in the delivery room. Wouldn't it be great if she remembered Howard and cracked that she could see he didn't need the robot hand anymore. That would be both nostalgic and a little embarrassing. And maybe Bernie never heard that story. WDYT? 

[veejay]

7 minutes ago, bbtfan07 said:

Vernee Watson is back as nurse Althea making some crack about Bernadette having three fathers for her baby since Howard, Raj and Stuart all show up in the delivery room. Wouldn't it be great if she remembered Howard and cracked that she could see he didn't need the robot hand anymore. That would be both nostalgic and a little embarrassing. And maybe Bernie never heard that story. WDYT? 

I'll gif you a tripple LOL.

[joyceraye]

2 minutes ago, veejay said:

I'll gif you a tripple LOL.

 

12 minutes ago, bbtfan07 said:

Vernee Watson is back as nurse Althea making some crack about Bernadette having three fathers for her baby since Howard, Raj and Stuart all show up in the delivery room. Wouldn't it be great if she remembered Howard and cracked that she could see he didn't need the robot hand anymore. That would be both nostalgic and a little embarrassing. And maybe Bernie never heard that story. WDYT? 

I say great idea.

[kerrycec03]

1 hour ago, hokie3457 said:

Good point FileXxX.  I look at this as a good development.  The fact that Penny brings this up now and does not let it simmer is a positive.  To me, she has been portraying her passion about her relationship for most of Season 10.  In episode 10.01 she states how "incredibly happy" Leonard has made her.  It is time for him to step up and continue that.  In the episode where she and Amy attended Bert's (or is it Burt????) party, she enthusiastically asked about Leonard's standing in the university community and proudly identified herself of the girl he "wore down" instead of tricking her into marrying him (seems a little snarky, but I don't find it that way----we can go back to Season 6 where she stated on Valentine's Day that he'll keep asking her to marry him and eventually "I'll say yes"---in essence she said yes right then!!!).  The dopey agreement Sheldon seemingly assisted them in creating will I'm sure only be a nudge in the right direction.  I'm looking forward to seeing this play out and some positive attention coming Dr. & Mrs. Hofstadter's way......

perfectly said and my feelings!  I think like all couples you get into a rutt and yea, Leonard needs to pine or woe her more to make her feel special.  Look around her, whats she seeing is all these woman being woed and taken care of and in her own situation, he's gotten SO comfortable romance is out (he is no longer the ninja).  BUT this will be worked out and this could FINALLY bring some life into this couple that has been pretty flatlined on plots for a while.  I pray it isn't swept under the rug, hell you may get an extremely romantic Lenny episode in a few after this, who knows.  But anything to get life back into Lenny works for me!

 

And yea, I understand your frustrations with it coming in the form of advice giving Sheldon and his RA but consider it a guide and maybe a "pay-it-forward" moment from Sheldon to Lenny for all the times they've helped him with relationship troubles in the past.  I DOUBT they will be as rule following with the RA as Shamy was.  PLUS its more a way to get these two together and open and talk about their wishes and needs and such.  Maybe writing down on paper they need a real date once week isn't a bad idea!  Its a good reminder to keep the sparks alive.

Edited December 14, 2016 by kerrycec03

[Zhalen565]

54 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

As a substitute I can recommend some old BBC series : One Foot in the Grave and Ever Decreasing Circles plus Last of the Summer Wine which is gentler.

Seen 'em all and I'm taking this as an attack as most of those involve grumpy old men. Seeing as I'm British I'm very familiar with all British comedy and If I want laughs I'll go for the classics of Dads Army, Allo! Allo!, Are you being Served or some Python/Fawlty Towers/Milligan.

[veejay]

19 minutes ago, kerrycec03 said:

perfectly said and my feelings!  I think like all couples you get into a rutt and yea, Leonard needs to pine or woe her more to make her feel special.  Look around her, whats she seeing is all these woman being woed and taken care of and in her own situation, he's gotten SO comfortable romance is out (he is no longer the ninja).  BUT this will be worked out and this could FINALLY bring some life into this couple that has been pretty flatlined on plots for a while.  I pray it isn't swept under the rug, hell you may get an extremely romantic Lenny episode in a few after this, who knows.  But anything to get life back into Lenny works for me!

 

And yea, I understand your frustrations with it coming in the form of advice giving Sheldon and his RA but consider it a guide and maybe a "pay-it-forward" moment from Sheldon to Lenny for all the times they've helped him with relationship troubles in the past.  I DOUBT they will be as rule following with the RA as Shamy was.  PLUS its more a way to get these two together and open and talk about their wishes and needs and such.  Maybe writing down on paper they need a real date once week isn't a bad idea!  Its a good reminder to keep the sparks alive.

Well, there was/is a hope.

10 minutes ago, Zhalen565 said:

Seen 'em all and I'm taking this as an attack as most of those involve grumpy old men. Seeing as I'm British I'm very familiar with all British comedy and If I want laughs I'll go for the classics of Dads Army, Allo! Allo!, Are you being Served or some Python/Fawlty Towers/Milligan.

I see you here on top as the writers standing on your front door.

Edited December 14, 2016 by veejay
merged and f..ked up, damn

[rachelshamyfan]

8 hours ago, shamyyellow said:

I was at the taping tonight. 

The episode begins with Penny coming home from work and Leonard having prepared her a romantic dinner of flowers, wine, and pizza bagels. She says it reminds her of the 8th grade. Leonard intensifies that memory by expressing his feelings for her through NSYNC lyrics. She asks if he just quoted an NSYNC song to her to which he said, "I just quoted your favorite NSYNC song to you." It's a cute moment but swiftly cuts to Leonard sitting on the couch in his underwear playing video games while Penny looks on. I don't remember if Penny was dreaming or day dreaming, but the overall gist was comparing her fantasy to her reality.

Amy, Bernie, and Penny have girls night in 4B. Amy makes a comment to Penny about how girls night has always taken place in 4B but now that it's no longer Penny's apartment, it's kind of like she's hosting it now. This was one of Amy's "I'm the popular girl" moments and Mayim's delivery was great. The conversation quickly switches to Penny confiding that she feels like ever since getting married, Leonard has stopped trying. There is funny banter in there about how Leonard and Howard never wear pants, to which Amy said that Sheldon always wears pants and she probably couldn't even identify his knees in a line-up. 

Leonard and Sheldon are playing chess in 4A. There is a funny bit where every time Leonard makes his move, Sheldon says if he does that, he'll beat him in 8 moves, 5, moves, 1 move, etc. Penny returns from girls night and Sheldon proclaims that he's trying to take a greater interest in other people, so asks Penny what she ate (chips) and what she drank (wine). She's obviously irritated and I don't remember what Leonard says in response, but Penny replies to him with, "At least he cares enough to ask." Leonard asks where this is coming from but Penny doesn't want to talk about it. When Leonard pushes, she says that he hasn't been putting effort into their relationship to which Leonard says, "Oh really? That's funny because it seems to me like I'm the only one who has ever put any effort into this relationship." It gets pretty heated and Penny says that maybe she'll just take Amy with her to a spa trip she had planned for them. He says that she should and storms out of the room.

Jumping forward to Amy and Penny all packed up and ready to go, Lenny are obviously ignoring each other. Amy leans in to kiss Sheldon goodbye but he stops her to say that he doesn't feel comfortable with displays of affection in front of an unhappy couple. Leonard (or Penny?) tells him to go for it, so they do. It's a small kiss at first and quickly turns passionate -- think Leonard's nightmare about Penny and Sheldon kissing in 9.2. It keeps going until Penny tells them that's enough. Penny is already out the door and Amy in lingering in the hallway telling Sheldon that she's going to miss him. He says that he's going to miss her too. She says she's going to miss him to infinity. He tops her with some scientific speak that I can't recall. Amy is about to top him again when Penny grabs her arm and pulls her out of the apartment. 

There is a car scene with Sheldon and Leonard that I can't remember the details of for the life of me. I think Leonard was just explaining why he needed to find Penny and set things straight.

We see Penny and Amy at the resort. Penny asks when the last time Amy got a massage was. She said Sheldon walked on her back a few weeks ago but that's just because he thought he saw a spider. Amy asks if Penny is going to be naked during the massage and when Penny says she is, Amy pulls open her robe and she has all of her clothes on underneath. The scene was filmed 3 times and the line changed slightly, but she basically says she might be wearing too many clothes. There is a knock at the door and Penny answers to find Leonard and Sheldon. Once again, the details are blurry, but Penny yells at Leonard and says it's sweet that he came but she needs space. Sheldon walks up to Amy and just says "Hello, Amy." This gets her acting flirty and playing with her hair as she says hi back. Sheldon says, "See Leonard? That's how you do it without being overbearing/obvious." 

We then see Shamy leave the hotel room to let Lenny talk it out and there is some running joke about Amy bringing back mini bottles of alcohol so Sheldon knows what it's like to drink like Godzilla. Sheldon suggests the hit up the mini bar to do that now that he's there.

In the next scene, we see all 4 of them sitting at a table. I think Sheldon says something about them getting a divorce (maybe?) Penny says that getting married just brought up some issues that they need to figure out but they both seem in good spirits after their talk. They are both very, very reluctant to say so, but suggest that it might be for the best if Sheldon writes them a Relationship Agreement. Of course, Sheldon couldn't be more honored and delighted. 

The tag scene was all 4 of them back home in 4A going over the contract Sheldon has written up. There is a joke about Leonard's tiny white thighs. Penny asked if that was necessary and Sheldon says that he wrote this up for free, he was allowed to have his fun. Lenny agree that the contract sounds great and Amy says it reminds her of her first relationship agreement. Sheldon says, "And you're obviously forgetting the no sentimentality clause." 

And that was it.

The Raj, Bernie, and Howard storyline was pretty simple. Howard was having trouble putting Halley (correct spelling as its written on the wall in her nursery) to sleep in her crib because the floor in the nursery is so squeaky. Raj and Howard turn the floor into a grid and map out where the squeaking happens and develop a Mission Impossible style pathway to the baby's crib that is super ridiculous. 

And that's basically it.

Oh! The episode is called The Romance Recalibration. If anybody has any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

Thank you, this sounds like it's going to be very funny

[Swedish Chef]

I'm so pissed right now about the Lenny story, so I don't have anything to say. 

[veejay]

5 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

I'm so pissed right now about the Lenny story, so I don't have anything to say. 

Sorry, I heard you.

[joyceraye]

7 minutes ago, Zhalen565 said:

Seen 'em all and I'm taking this as an attack as most of those involve grumpy old men. Seeing as I'm British I'm very familiar with all British comedy and If I want laughs I'll go for the classics of Dads Army, Allo! Allo!, Are you being Served or some Python/Fawlty Towers/Milligan.

The three I suggested remind me of Sheldon and sometimes Amy. Only one of the characters is a grumpy old man. That's Victor but his neighbour is a grumpy young one, even more like Sheldon. I thought since you'd been a TBBT fan you might like them. I'm sure the TBBT writers sometimes borrow the scripts to look for ideas. Hot in Cleveland, Nurse Jackie, Joey and Frasier are the only US sitcoms I've seen and none of those are BBT-ish so I didn't mention them. I like those you mention except Milligan, but nothing before 1957  feels like a classic to me.  Have you seen Lillyhammer ?

[djsurrey]

All I can say is...

The writers are messing with your heads.

It could be worse. Penny could be entertained by Raj while leonard sits on the sofa eating lobster in his underwear. In a room full of cats. 

Edited December 14, 2016 by djsurrey