[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[camelliayao]

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

But she was introduced taking coitus off the table. If sex had been that important to her she would have walked.

Yes, she was introduced taking coitus off the table, because her sexual desire hasn't awaken back then. It wasn't until 410, where she saw Zack, that she began to feel the need for coitus for the first time (Or at least we were showed for the first time). And it was not until 421 did she start to find Sheldon sexy. (She held Sheldon's hand and felt nothing in 410). She didn't walk away because sex wasn't important to her at that time. But it changed as time went by.

 

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

 Or after the breakup she would have HAD sex - as chrismo points out, she has options. She didn't.

Frist, she had plans to have sex during their break up. She planned to have sex with Dave in 910. She just didn't have the courage to power through it. Also I don't understand the logic behind "Because Amy didn't have sex during the break up, it means she doesn't have that much sexual desire." Those two things are just not of causal correlation. Amy could have strong sexual desire. But maybe to her there're things more important than desire. Maybe her sexuall desire is not enough for her to have sex with a random guy. Or she needs time to get over the old relationship. Or, my original point, her sexual desire is not as important as her love and respect for Sheldon. But all those things don't mean she doesn't have strong sexual desire.

 

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

 And after she and Sheldon had sex for the first time she cheerfully said 'works for me!'when Sheldon said 'can't wait for your birthday next year'.

Amy's "works for me" seems like a respond without any thought to me because she has that goofy smile on her face when she says that. At that moment she seems to be still in the aftertaste of coitus and hasn't realized what she just signed up for. This also explains why she suggests sex in 917. If she really is happy with the arrangement of birthday sex next year, she wouldn't have had any sexual expections on Sheldon's birthday.

 

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

In this season Sheldon was all but humping her leg in her place of work and she shot him down with a quickness - quite reasonably, might I add.

Like I said before, she turns Sheldon down because Sheldon only wants to have sex for the purpose of reproduction. Does Amy have to jump on Sheldon every chance she gets to prove she has strong sexual desire? "I want to have sex with you only because of your eggs". I think no women would find that sexy. Probably lots of women will turn Sheldon down under that circumstance. Does that mean all of them don't have strong or normal amount of sexual desire?

And may I point out at the end of that episode, even if Amy knows all the things Sheldon does is for the purpose of having a baby with her, she still almost gives in because she's so hot for Sheldon.

 

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

 SHE took coitus off the table explicitly saying that the whole cohabitation thing was new to her too. The whole picture is of someone who maybe, just maybe, isn't all that interested in hankius pankius herself.

Again, this is just irrelavent. Amy may have very strong sexual desire, but just not strong enough to overcome her fear and nervousness of cohabitation. Also, Amy says they'll revisit the topic again once they get more comfortable. It seems to me if she's not all that interested in hankius pankius herself, she would've have just waited for her second birthday without saying anything.

I have no idea if Amy has strong sexual desire or she's just like Sheldon. But the thing is, after years of the show emphasizing on the problem on physical intimacy between Shamy, years of the show making jokes of how Amy has her "Gerard", how Amy always craves but couldn't get physicall intimacy, how everything is just sex with her (to quote Sheldon), how much she loves to stare at Sheldon's body, how Sheldon's hair gets her all bothered that she has to masturbate with him in the living room, how she "manipulates" Sheldon to spank her, how much she enjoys their first time, am I just supposed to believe that maybe, Amy doesn't have all that high a sex drive? You know, the show was just playing with me.　

Also I don’t think it changes my original theory even if Amy only have slightly higher sexual drive than Sheldon.

Here’s the thing. If the show really wants to tell us that Amy doesn’t have that high sex drive after all these years of portraying a somehow “horny” Amy or at least an Amy with normal amount of sexual desire. The only explanation I can come up with is that there really are lots of Shamy fans out there, who fit @JE7 's theory (I don't remember the exact words), and the writers are trying to please them. 

That is, the only way for their “fairy tale” to work is for Amy to have similar amount of sexual desire as Sheldon. Because obviously there’ll be problems between Shamy if they don't have sexual harmniousness. Then Sheldon will not be 100% perfect. And that’s just unacceptable to those people. Sheldon has to be perfect (at least their standard of "perfect"), so Amy has to have apoximately whatever the amount of sexual desire as Sheldon.

Edited December 18, 2016 by camelliayao

[Chrismo]

8 hours ago, camelliayao said:

Not sure which train episode you're talking about here. But trying to trick Sheldon into a trip is different than manipulating Sheldon into sex. And history has proved Amy is respectful for Sheldon's choices enough to do the right thing on subjects as important as sex. 

As for the living arrangement, considering the writers' love for Sheldon, I really don't think it's up to Lenny to decide whether Sheldon is allowed in 4A. If the writers want more twist, Lenny will be throwing him a welcome party to have him back lol.

The train trip with Howdette

8 hours ago, vonmar said:

He seems pretty happy in 4B with Amy.  They're redecorating in a way that suits them both, hosting guests for brunch, being quite settled in and domestic together.  

Again that's true for now. But, and maybe I missed this, doesn't Amy still have her own apartment?

[April]

11 minutes ago, nickelette424 said:

I agree with this so much and I think it is a point that is missed by many.   I think the times where Amy had complained about the lack of physical intimacy in their relationship has did our so much that people think she was a lot more sex crazy than she actually was.   I think a lot of it had to do with having the experience and if course falling in love with Sheldon.   But, I think people are equating her sex drive with what is considered "normal" when it's probably more likely that she is closer to Sheldon's that some people would like to admit.  I just think it is hard for people to wrap their mind people that have lower sex drives. 

In addition to yours and @wowbagger's comment:

Amy (and to some degree also Sheldon) have become victims of this old running gag of "haw haw Amy can't get some, isn't that Sheldon fella funny when he says mean things!" giving people the impression that she's craving sex all the time and he wouldn't ever want to engage in that. But when you look at the characters' actual interaction this isn't exactly the case.

As wow already said, Amy's eagerness about sex was usually only happening in terms of her stories with the girls cause she wanted to catch up with all the things she missed out in the past. And once it happened she was giddy to finally join the grown up talk, bless. But with Sheldon she was never really pushing him or even making any demands of that kind. Yes, she was hoping for more and told him as much when they had their tender 1on1 talks but that's a far cry away from her being the nymphomaniac people make her out to be. She seemed to be quite happy with their baby steps as long as Sheldon wasn't an ass about it. She mostly just wanted to have a nice time with him.

As for Sheldon I think it's also a mischaracterisation to see him as totally opposed to sex. He might have been in the past but ever since S6 he's expressed some interest and willingness to overcome whatever issues with intimacy were plaguing him at the time. Even before the breakup I've never gotten the vibe that when they do it (and it certainly was just a question of time) it would be just to please Amy or whatever. So now that he's been having this change of heart during the breakup and came out even more lovey dovey on the other end, now that they're living together and are happily exploring this new level of intimacy and closeness, now that he's expressed on several different occasions how Amy gets him all hot and bothered, I'm really tired of seeing these impossibly high demands applied to him.

It takes two to tango and you can't and shouldn't put the onus on one person all the time. Give Sheldon a break and let Amy take the lead for once - I would be delighted!

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

 SHE took coitus off the table explicitly saying that the whole cohabitation thing was new to her too. The whole picture is of someone who maybe, just maybe, isn't all that interested in hankius pankius herself.

JMO her saying coitus was off the table was to get him to 4b. She had agreed, again IMO, for the once a year arrangement because she had waited so long to begin with. Do you really think the once a year arrangement will continue since there living together? I don't.

[April]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

JMO her saying coitus was off the table was to get him to 4b.

That doesn't make any sense cause they had that talk after he already agreed to the experiment.

[Chrismo]

14 minutes ago, April said:

That doesn't make any sense cause they had that talk after he already agreed to the experiment.

I guess that's true but coitus was suppose to be once a year anyways. I'm not sure why that even needed to be mentioned.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Chrismo

[camelliayao]

21 minutes ago, April said:

That doesn't make any sense cause they had that talk after he already agreed to the experiment.

It makes sense because he can still change his mind after agreeing？

（Although I don’t agree with that Amy saying coitus was off the table was to get Sheldon to 4b.）

Edited December 18, 2016 by camelliayao

[April]

Just now, camelliayao said:

It makes sense because he can still change his mind after agreeing？

How would that make sense for Amy's motivation here? They already agreed to the experiment. It was Sheldon who wanted "neutral ground" which ended up to be 4B with only one bedroom. Meanwhile Amy would have been fine just staying in Leonard's room. She wasn't the one pushing for them to share a bed. When she said she wanted to take coitus off the table because this was all new to her, too, I think it's absolutely genuine of her.

16 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I guess that's true but coitus was suppose to be once a year anyways. I'm not sure why that even needed to be mentioned.

I guess it was to hit the audience over the head once again with that godawful joke like "look they'll be sleeping in one bed but don't get your hopes up for any hanky panky (just yet)".

[camelliayao]

14 minutes ago, April said:

How would that make sense for Amy's motivation here? They already agreed to the experiment. It was Sheldon who wanted "neutral ground" which ended up to be 4B with only one bedroom. Meanwhile Amy would have been fine just staying in Leonard's room. She wasn't the one pushing for them to share a bed.

Because she's happier if she and Sheldon lives together so she doesn't want Sheldon to change his mind? By your logic, Amy is indifferent with living alone in Leonard's room and living in the same bed with Sheldon. That just contradicts, I don't know, everything I know about Amy? I think she already wanted to live with Sheldon back in season 6.

 

14 minutes ago, April said:

When she said she wanted to take coitus off the table because this was all new to her, too, I think it's absolutely genuine of her.

That doesn't mean her taking coitus off the table has nothing to do with her worrying about Sheldon. In fact, I think both are the reasons. It's all new to her and she knows Sheldon may have problems with coitus.

Edited December 18, 2016 by camelliayao

[joyceraye]

42 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I guess that's true but coitus was supposed to be once a year anyways. I'm not sure why that even needed to be mentioned.

It was mentioned because they were going to be sharing a bed.  In Penny's old flat there was no other feasible sleeping arrangement since they were going to be there for a trial period of five weeks.  Too long for anyone on that little couch. Any agreement can be subject to waiver if circumstances change. Amy thought Sheldon might think new 'coital expectations' would arise under such physically intimate circumstances and she was worried about him. Rightly as it happened. He admitted he was both excited and scared about the bed ( it didn't stop him wanting to move though ) so she reassured him she didn't expect him to perform in addition to all the other changes he was making. She left it open to 'revisit' the arrangements later. Sheldon hinted he wasn't against that idea when he said, 'Don't get me all randy: guests are on the way.' He blatantly made it obvious coitus was on the table for him in Brain Bowl so his fears had definitely disappeared by then. When Amy said 'No' because she didn't want a pregnancy yet, it seems they went back to the original agreement. We were not party to whatever they discussed.

 

Edited December 18, 2016 by joyceraye
Punctuation to make meaning clearer.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Carlos said:

I disagree. The actors are under contract and they should do whatever the director tells them to. If he/she tells them to kiss with tongue they very well should. They are under contract and as such should perform the tasks required of them in the way in which they are required.

Given that they don't, and TPTB don't seem to care, it's pretty obvious that this is not part of the contract. It's the actor's choice.

[joyceraye]

58 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

JMO her saying coitus was off the table was to get him to 4b. She had agreed, again IMO, for the once a year arrangement because she had waited so long to begin with. Do you really think the once a year arrangement will continue since there living together? I don't.

I don't think the once a year will continue now but they may well decide it will be part of birthday activities in the future. Many couples make a point of doing it on special occasions in addition to their normal routine. Shamy have only just made 4B their home after deciding to stay there, and they can't seriously have a baby ( or two ) taking over such a tiny place so they're going to have to have some serious talks.

[JE7]

19 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Given that they don't, and TPTB don't seem to care, it's pretty obvious that this is not part of the contract. It's the actor's choice.

We don't know that, it could well be at the direction of TBTB. It could be that they have "toned down" every couple to more closely match SHamy so they appear more equal, we can't have Leonard or Howard looking like they can do something better than Sheldon.

 

Edited December 18, 2016 by JE7

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, JE7 said:

We don't know that, it could well be at the direction of TBTB. It could be that they have "toned down" every couple to more closely match SHamy so they appear normal, we can't have Leonard or Howard looking like they can do something better than Sheldon.

 

I'm not sure I agree with that. Last episode IMO proved Leonard was a better kisser than Sheldon. I also don't think Shamy looked normal in the last episode.

[JE7]

6 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I'm not sure I agree with that. Last episode IMO proved Leonard was a better kisser than Sheldon. I also don't think Shamy looked normal in the last episode

Normal was the wrong word I rephrased it

[April]

14 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Because she's happier if she and Sheldon lives together so she doesn't want Sheldon to change his mind? By your logic, Amy is indifferent with living alone in Leonard's room and living in the same bed with Sheldon. That just contradicts, I don't know, everything I know about Amy? I think she already wanted to live with Sheldon back in season 6.

The Amy we know talks big but once things actually start to happen she gets pretty nervous. Back in S6 she wanted to move into Leonard's room and that was offer Lenny made in S10 as well. Living with Sheldon in any capacity would already be a huge step for them as a couple and Amy's reaction shows the never even anticipated that much. When she told Lenny in the hallway about her apartment she thought she'd have to stay in a hotel. Then suddenly there's the option coming up of living with Sheldon. And then Sheldon of all people pushes for neutral ground and agrees to stay in an apartment that basically forces them to share a bed.

I'm not saying that she isn't excited about all of this, of course she is! But this clearly exceeds Amy's expectations by a huge margin and her usual nervousness sets in.

14 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

That doesn't mean her taking coitus off the table has nothing to do with her worrying about Sheldon. In fact, I think both are the reasons. It's all new to her and she knows Sheldon may have problems with coitus.

I never said it had nothing to do with worrying about Sheldon as well. But it wasn't her motivation to "get him into 4B" in the first place.

[camelliayao]

1 minute ago, April said:

The Amy we know talks big but once things actually start to happen she gets pretty nervous. Back in S6 she wanted to move into Leonard's room and that was offer Lenny made in S10 as well. Living with Sheldon in any capacity would already be a huge step for them as a couple and Amy's reaction shows the never even anticipated that much. When she told Lenny in the hallway about her apartment she thought she'd have to stay in a hotel. Then suddenly there's the option coming up of living with Sheldon. And then Sheldon of all people pushes for neutral ground and agrees to stay in an apartment that basically forces them to share a bed.

I'm not saying that she isn't excited about all of this, of course she is! But this clearly exceeds Amy's expectations by a huge margin and her usual nervousness sets in.

I never said it had nothing to do with worrying about Sheldon as well. But it wasn't her motivation to "get him into 4B" in the first place.

I think the problem is the phasing here. I don't think Amy takes coitus off the table is a way of "getting" Sheldon into 4B. But I do think it's a way of keeping him from chaning his mind of staying in 4B.

[April]

1 minute ago, camelliayao said:

I think the problem is the phasing here. I don't think Amy takes coitus off the table is a way of "getting" Sheldon into 4B. But I do think it's a way of keeping him from chaning his mind of staying in 4B.

Well, my whole point was about what Chrismo said so...

Anyway, as I've said above, I never claimed she didn't take Sheldon's feelings into account. But they both feel that way about the experiment - it's exciting but also makes them feel nervous and a little worried. I very much think it was to make them feel both comfortable and help to get used to the new situation. Simple as that. No secret agenda, imho.

[camelliayao]

2 minutes ago, April said:

Well, my whole point was about what Chrismo said so...

Anyway, as I've said above, I never claimed she didn't take Sheldon's feelings into account. But they both feel that way about the experiment - it's exciting but also makes them feel nervous and a little worried. I very much think it was to make them feel both comfortable and help to get used to the new situation. Simple as that. No secret agenda, imho.

Well I believe it is Amy who takes Sheldon's feelings into account. Sheldon is busy worrying about Amy's possible coitus expectations. Basically, I think Amy takes coitus off the table because first, she respects Sheldon and knows he still has problems; second, she has some concerns herself; third, compared with the possibility of Sheldon chaning his mind leaving Amy sleeping in Leonard's room alone, she prefers sleeping in the same bed with Sheldon without coitus.

[April]

7 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Well I believe it is Amy who takes Sheldon's feelings into account. Sheldon is busy worrying about Amy's possible coitus expectations. Basically, I think Amy takes coitus off the table because first, she respects Sheldon and knows he still has problems; second, she has some concerns herself; third, compared with the possibility of Sheldon chaning his mind leaving Amy sleeping in Leonard's room alone, she prefers sleeping in the same bed with Sheldon without coitus.

Well, that are a whole lot of assumptions on your part painting Amy as some sort of cunning strategist who's main priority is to get Sheldon to share a bed with her and keep him there.

What's on screen though is that, as I said, they're both excited and nervous and she puts coitus off the table so that it's one thing less thing to worry about while they're getting used to the new situation. This is what she said and I have no reason to doubt her.

[JE7]

Now for something completely different.....

 

And it's non SHamy related 

Edited December 18, 2016 by JE7

[Swedish Chef]

35 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Now for something completely different.....

 

And it's non SHamy related 

The pic of Penny, in that episode we learn why Sweden doesn't have a space program and Penny seems to love shopping at IKEA . 

Edited December 18, 2016 by Lagernisse

[veejay]

33 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Now for something completely different.....

 

And it's non SHamy related 

[camelliayao]

39 minutes ago, April said:

Well, that are a whole lot of assumptions on your part painting Amy as some sort of cunning strategist who's main priority is to get Sheldon to share a bed with her and keep him there.

What's on screen though is that, as I said, they're both excited and nervous and she puts coitus off the table so that it's one thing less thing to worry about while they're getting used to the new situation. This is what she said and I have no reason to doubt her.

Because it seems to me the writers think the audience have zero IQ and wouldn't notice any inconsistencies or illogicalities nowadays. So I make a lot of assumptions, based on the evidence I see, so that the show makes sense to me. 

[JE7]

Sorry guys I forgot one of Raj's girls

Edited December 18, 2016 by JE7