[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Zephon75]

18 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

In S3 I remember Penny was more snarky to Leonard then she is now Haha. The Large Hadron Collider and The Maternal Congruence Particularly.

I'm sorry but i have to disagree with this as i don't think Penny was ever snarky with Leonard of those episodes and she is definitely worse now than then,unless we both have different definitions of what snark is.

[3ku11]

21 minutes ago, Zephon75 said:

I'm sorry but i have to disagree with this as i don't think Penny was ever snarky with Leonard of those episodes and she is definitely worse now than then,unless we both have different definitions of what snark is.

Well sorry I disagree. One example in the Large Hardron Collider. She was kinda a cow to Leonard when she had a cold. In Maternal Congruence. She was pretty much a crappy girlfriend. Leonard's Dog died. And parents divorced. And did noting a gf should. My point of view was just simply. I believe that's always been Penny. No different to what she is now. I just don't simply agree with the notion Penny's snark back then is any worser, then it is now. That's Penny. It's always been a part of her character. My point was i think she has evolved in that department over the years. Her snark towards Leonard may have harshened over the years. Due to life wearing her down. So she projects onto Leonard. My point was her lvl of snark. At times has not changed. It's a constant. 

Edited December 21, 2016 by 3ku11

[joyceraye]

Mark Braxton's Review in the current edition of Radio Times ( The official publication of BBC radio and TV programmes which now also carries other companies' TV details ) of next week's episode on E4 says 'It's very much to the show's credit that the characters haven't been allowed to stagnate over ten seasons. It may be a different show from the bachelor days of 2007, but Sheldon Cooper and co have been allowed to develop,date and marry. And evolution is very important to these scientists.

The writers always handle the big moments with fun and sensitivity, and now the first baby of the group is about to be born: Bernadette and Howard make it to the hospital with Raj and Stuart in tow -  help or hindrance ?

It's also Amy's birthday and Big Bang buffs will know the significance of that....... '

Edited December 21, 2016 by joyceraye

[Tonstar17]

Well sorry I disagree. One example in the Large Hardron Collider. She was kinda a cow to Leonard when she had a cold. In Maternal Congruence. She was pretty much a crappy girlfriend. Leonard's Dog died. And parents divorced. And did noting a gf should. My point of view was just simply. I believe that's always been Penny. No different to what she is now. I just don't simply agree with the notion Penny's snark back then is any worser, then it is now. That's Penny. It's always been a part of her character. My point was i think she has evolved in that department over the years. Her snark towards Leonard may have harshened over the years. Due to life wearing her down. So she projects onto Leonard. My point was her lvl of snark. At times has not changed. It's a constant. 

Penny wasn't snarky in those scenes you mentioned. She just didn't show any sympathy toward Leonard. Wrong yes, but not being snarky.

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[Chrismo]

53 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Mark Braxton's Review in the current edition of Radio Times ( The official publication of BBC radio and TV programmes which now also carries other companies' TV details ) of next week's episode on E4 says 'It's very much to the show's credit that the characters haven't been allowed to stagnate over ten seasons. It may be a different show from the bachelor days of 2007, but Sheldon Cooper and co have been allowed to develop,date and marry. And evolution is very important to these scientists.

The writers always handle the big moments with fun and sensitivity, and now the first baby of the group is about to be born: Bernadette and Howard make it to the hospital with Raj and Stuart in tow -  help or hindrance ?

It's also Amy's birthday and Big Bang buffs will know the significance of that....... '

Don't know who the guy is but obviously someone else who doesn't know who Leonard or Penny  is but knows Stuart? As to Amy birthday and the significance? One step closer to menapause.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Chrismo

[joyceraye]

7 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Hear! I can' t believe they seem to have not plans for this character, how come it happened with a character that made part of the show since episode 1? I would realy like to hear what Molaro thinks about season 10 Raj.

It is extremely frustrating because , as regular and big fan of the show,  I am in that place that I dont care much about him these days and it is sad to me because I thought he could reach a nice life as everyone else in the show and I used to like him. It is strange to be very fond of all characters and then there is Raj that has been writen in a way that had disapointed me. Well, maybe the problem is more about me as viewer than him as a character but these are my thoughts on the subject.

It's not just you. I used to like Raj too. He was so sweet and cute at first. Then when he was drunk or drugged he became 'an ass all the time, you just don't hear it' which was disappointing.  Once he'd put his speech problem behind him he gradually got worse. He's hardly made any contribution to storylines. Surely they could come up with something, if it's only some sessions with Dr Gallo to get him sorted out, to set him on the track to maturity and usefulness ?

14 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Don't know who the guy is but obviously someone else who doesn't know who Leonard or Penny  is but knows Stuart? As to Amy birthday and the significance? One step closer to menapause.

He's just the chap credited with next week's column. Perhaps whoever writes up episode 10x13 in March or thereabouts will write about the Lenny quarrel and make-up. 

As for stepping towards menopause, I never totally understood what exactly was so 'insulting' about Sheldon's reference to Amy's aging eggs in 9x01.  If they wanted an insult I don't know why they couldn't have come up with a real one.

[3ku11]

TBH if Penny left Leonard for anyone (not going to happen). That Doesent make it soap operaish. When ppl say TbbT and Soap Opera. They are referring to its current format. That has clearly changed. Anyone heard of the show Rules of engagement? TbbT is so similar to that show now. Couples comedy. They have changed the show from a Science Type sitcom. With side stories of romance. So it wasent so in your face. So it was more proportioned. Ppl are right when they say Lenny was the main story.

But they didn't take over. To a soap opera of two couples. To the point it's saturated. They have evolved Sheldon. But it's like because they have an in depth Sheldon now. They can go okay well it be ass hat Sheldon this week. Or sweet Sheldon. I can't suspend my disbelief anymore with this show. It's like a roller coaster. And I'm barley hanging onto the rails.

I think it would be great. If final episode is this season. And Penny's pregnant. And they end the show in an opens ended kinda way. Lenny and the gang leave the apt. Lenny finds an Apt etc. Walk downstairs. And repairmen are fixing the elevator. End scene. Then like in movies. Scene right at end. Hot guy moves in. Abs two geeky chicks say Hi. That's how I would like it to end.

Edited December 22, 2016 by 3ku11

[Carlos]

11 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Hear! I can' t believe they seem to have not plans for this character, how come it happened with a character that made part of the show since episode 1? I would realy like to hear what Molaro thinks about season 10 Raj.

It is extremely frustrating because , as regular and big fan of the show,  I am in that place that I dont care much about him these days and it is sad to me because I thought he could reach a nice life as everyone else in the show and I used to like him. It is strange to be very fond of all characters and then there is Raj that has been writen in a way that had disapointed me. Well, maybe the problem is more about me as viewer than him as a character but these are my thoughts on the subject.

All due respect to Raj, but I don't think that the problem is with you as a viewer, but rather the way he's being written and has been written for a long time. The soliloquy about how everybody have achieved so many things except for Raj, that we saw in the last episode sort of highlights the progression of his character.

5 hours ago, legacy99 said:

They would have to come up with a new category for it

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If they were to be nominated in the new category "Sitcoms that used to be good" I'm pretty sure they'd win every time

Edited December 22, 2016 by Carlos

[3ku11]

Raj? Has anyone cared about him ever? It Doesent help the way he's written. But I can't say since 1x01. I've ever noticed he was ever their. Other then when he's being a douche. How I met your mother. Degenerated from a comedy to a drama by the end. TbbT had degenerated from an outstanding comedy. To a mediocre Soap Opera. Friends was like that too. Although it was never mediocre. Problem for me the writing shifted after season 6. So it's pointless going what if. It's done. I couldent care less if it ended this season. TBH it ended for me 7x24, from a creative stand point. From a money stand point. They could do this show for years. Ratings are still very good. As I guess theirs a certain part of the mainstream who are enjoying the narrative of "Sheldon becomes a real person". I'm just in the segment of ppl who are not enjoying it. I continue to watch. As I still enjoy Leonard and Penny as characters. Little scraps they get. But I HATE it's not an ensemble anymore. Msybe I've outgrown the show I don't know. But I have a feeling Season Ten could be the last. And tbh it's about time.

Edited December 22, 2016 by 3ku11

[JE7]

13 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Hear! I can' t believe they seem to have not plans for this character, how come it happened with a character that made part of the show since episode 1? I would realy like to hear what Molaro thinks about season 10 Raj.

It is extremely frustrating because , as regular and big fan of the show,  I am in that place that I dont care much about him these days and it is sad to me because I thought he could reach a nice life as everyone else in the show and I used to like him. It is strange to be very fond of all characters and then there is Raj that has been writen in a way that had disapointed me. Well, maybe the problem is more about me as viewer than him as a character but these are my thoughts on the subject.

It's not just you, Raj has made basically NO progress either personally or professionally in the last ten years. I know he discovered a planatoid and an asteroid but if you look at the number of both discovered since 2006 it's not a really big accomplishment besides being able to talk around women he has done nothing of note.

He seemed kind of sweet at first but as Howard said "he's always an ass you just don't hear it" well his main progress has been moving up from quiet ass to complete douchebag he should get the ending the character deserves,  alone in his apartment with cinnamon eating takeout in his underwear

Edited December 22, 2016 by JE7

[Shelldon]

Every character on this show has a plethora of horrible traits. Don't single out Raj. Why should he be the only douchebag of the bunch that isn't happy?

[JE7]

24 minutes ago, Shelldon said:

Every character on this show has a plethora of horrible traits. Don't single out Raj. Why should he be the only douchebag of the bunch that isn't happy?

While they all have done things they aren't proud of none has ever hit anywhere near the lows Raj has while the others are basically good people who sometimes do unkind/bad things to each other Raj consistently does unkind/bad things to his friends and is occasionally a nice person. Raj's character unlike the others is CONSISTENTLY a self absorbed douchebag it has over the years become his defining characteristic this is not true of any other character. Even Sheldon at his worst seldom reaches the depths that Raj does.

Raj would sell out his friends in a heartbeat for his own personal gain. When he first started dating Emily and Sheldon pointed out people entering a new relationship often lose friends his answer summed it up well. If she didn't like them they would get a Christmas card for a couple of years then they were dead to him. Some may say it was a throwaway line but it captures his priorities perfectly.

[3ku11]

38 minutes ago, Shelldon said:

Every character on this show has a plethora of horrible traits. Don't single out Raj. Why should he be the only douchebag of the bunch that isn't happy?

Because he's the only douchebag. Well him and Sheldon

[rachelshamyfan]

Bit of an obvious explanation into the not being an ensemble anymore

The characters have grown from being single into relationships, it's then inevitable that they will therefore spend less time as a group together

[April]

2 hours ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Bit of an obvious explanation into the not being an ensemble anymore

The characters have grown from being single into relationships, it's then inevitable that they will therefore spend less time as a group together

Happens in real life all the time. The depressing side effect of growing up: You're not just casually hanging out anymore, you start fixing appointments cause everyone is so freaking busy all the time.

[Jonny]

3 hours ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Bit of an obvious explanation into the not being an ensemble anymore

The characters have grown from being single into relationships, it's then inevitable that they will therefore spend less time as a group together

I think there is probably some truth to that and It's a pretty natural progression of life.

Though I do hope that they will throw in more group episodes again every so often. You have 7 of the most talented actors/actresses on television so I think it would be great to have some full group themed ones again where their amazing talent just plays off each other and magic happens.

Edited December 22, 2016 by Jonny
would be twisted no doubt

[Strawberry]

12 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

NOT literally. Of course they wouldn't. It will just be implied from the take.

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LOL. I'm just waiting for tbbt to win an award for the best esembled show. That will cracked me up.

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They got nominated for Best Ensemble in a Comedy Series once. In 2012 and by the Online Film Critics Society Awards.

Link

 

[mirs1]

3 minutes ago, Strawberry said:

They got nominated for Best Ensemble in a Comedy Series once. In 2012 and by the Online Film Critics Society Awards.

Link

 

Actually, they have been nominated many times in many different awards as best ensemble. For example, they are nominated  this year at the SAG Awards as Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series, and they have been constantly nominated in that award (but they have never won it) since 2012.

[JE7]

6 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Actually, they have been nominated many times in many different awards as best ensemble. For example, they are nominated  this year at the SAG Awards as Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series, and they have been constantly nominated in that award (but they have never won it) since 2012.

Many of our fellow posters will tell you that those don't count, only Emmys count all other awards are minor 

Edited December 22, 2016 by JE7
unless Jim or Mayim win one that is then it counts

[mirs1]

2 hours ago, JE7 said:

Many of our fellow posters will tell you that those don't count, only Emmys count all other awards are minor 

The original poster mentioned an awards list which was not limited to the Emmys,  I was just completing it with some of the missing items. BTW, Jim and Mayim were also nominated (but didn't win) at the SAG awards. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I don't care much about which award is the most important or who wins what, as long as I can get nice cast\actors pictures out of it!

Edited December 22, 2016 by mirs1

[veejay]

16 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Many of our fellow posters will tell you that those don't count, only Emmys count all other awards are minor 

"I quit. See you at the Oscars, bitches." 
(As a struggling actress used to say)

[JE7]

16 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

BTW, Jim and Mayim were also nominated (but didn't win) at the SAG awards.

See they are still unimportant.....

On another note I am working the mid shift the 24th and 25th and am kinda bummed the forum will be closed. 

I am sure that without adult supervision we could still have polite intellectual debates about topics of mutual interest 

Edited December 22, 2016 by JE7
It would be Fun

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Bit of an obvious explanation into the not being an ensemble anymore

The characters have grown from being single into relationships, it's then inevitable that they will therefore spend less time as a group together

Were TBBT a radio programme they could carry on as they did in 2007 for as long as they liked.  Until some scientist invents an anti-aging medicine that makes actors look as though they're permanently under 30, growing up is going to happen to characters on any long-running television show that starts  by being about how people in their twenties behave. The developments that are happening in TBBT are what Sheldon bewailed when he rebooted himself to 2003 - they begin by his friends meeting as a group for meals and games nights less and less often.  It's true of all of us. One thing that keeps TBBT so popular is that on some levels it is like real life, however little we care to admit it. The characters themselves are like real people. However, I've found that after a few years, members of groups realise what's happening and make a point of scheduling meetings more often. After parties for wedding anniversaries and milestone birthdays where we say, ' We need to do this more often' and then don't until the next reunion, finally someone grasps the nettle and starts organising it. We need a story where Sheldon deals with this. They're annoyed at first because it's his idea and they don't like his bossiness with schedules and rotas but then they all come round to it. It's the sort of thing Raj would want to take charge of but the others would groan about.

[veejay]

29 minutes ago, JE7 said:

...

On another note I am working the mid shift the 24th and 25th and am kinda bummed the forum will be closed. 

I am sure that without adult supervision we could still have polite intellectual debates about topics of mutual interest

I agree with you. But I guess administrative tasks also involves some other things than just moving postings around.
So I wish Tripper, Tensor and everyone else onboard happy and peaceful holidays.

Edited December 22, 2016 by veejay
oops, wrong jiff. Sorry.

[spidergirl]

I would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and  Happy New year. 

For who don't celebrate Christmas , I wish a very happy holiday time as well.

For who are working in these special days as @JE7, have the best time as possible.

*sending virtual hugs*

I hope we can chat about tbbt for a long time yet. We can not agree many times but our passion for this show is really big and it has been great to be able to chat with you all , despite the different opinions we have about a few sujects.

Cheers tbbt!