April Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: Again I'm talking about episodes where Emily or Claire or both of them were in. And if you can't see it. Because no dialogue was used to prove my point. Then no point carrying on with this discussion. Sometimes actions speaks louder than words. The problem is we never got those episodes after Raj started dating both. We found out in 9x21 - none of the girls were in it. Claire was in 9x22 when she found out. There are no episodes with Emily after he started dating both girls. Whatever scenario you might be remembering doesn't fit the time line or doesn't exist at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The problem is we never got those episodes after Raj started dating both. We found out in 9x21 - none of the girls were in it. Claire was in 9x22 when she found out. There are no episodes with Emily after he started dating both girls. Whatever scenario you might be remembering doesn't fit the time line or doesn't exist at all.The problem is you are cherry picking. So you are saying the episode were he had claire in his car and Emily crying on the phone are not the same episode.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veejay Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 58 minutes ago, Tensor said: If (and this is a big if) Raj is correct in saying him and the women are not exclusive, then I can't see how it can be a problem. If the women agreed they and Raj are not exclusive, then they can't complain about his seeing someone else, just like he can't complain about them seeing someone else. They may not know if he is, but if they aren't exclusive, I don't see where they can complain about it. Now, if Raj wasn't correct in saying they aren't exclusive, then there would be a problem, for either of the women. But there are a lot of “ifs", isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminous Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Edited January 5, 2017 by luminous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: The problem is you are cherry picking. So you are saying the episode were he had claire in his car and Emily crying on the phone are not the same episode. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that he didn't date both girls at that point in the time line. The episode you are talking about is 9x18. He only started dating both girls AFTER this episode. We don't know exactly when that happened but he wasn't making any casual dating agreements during this phone call. We only found out about him dating two girls in 9x21. Unless you're saying Emily is a psychic and should have reacted to him potentially dating a girl 3 episodes in the future and that she didn't even knew existed... which is quite frankly bizarre. Then again maybe she has a really good ouija board... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Tonstar17 said: I'm not even going to get into this discussion that Raj is a douchebag. Yes he has done some not cool things but compare to Sheldon it's manor. I don't see anyone on here calling Sheldon out on his day to day antics of reverting. I just love the way people also go on about how much sheldon has changed and when he goes back to default mode. It's a throwaway line or joke. Sorry not. Double standard. Raj inserting himself in Howardette lives. Isn't that the same as Sheldon inserting his into Lenny. If ppls think Raj dating 2 women makes him a douche, I don't agree because both women knew about each other and still wanted to date him still. I guess we could make excuses for Raj. You know, throwaway joke by tptb because it's a one off. I don't consider Raj a douche exclusively because of him dating Emily and Claire, even if that is pretty douchy in and of itself. I consider him a douche because of how he tricked Penny into quasi sleeping with him, how he had no regard for Leonard's feelings on the matter, and because of how he pinned after Bernadette. There are other examples of Raj's douche baggery, but those are the ones I remember the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that he didn't date both girls at that point in the time line. The episode you are talking about is 9x18. He only started dating both girls AFTER this episode. We don't know exactly when that happened but he wasn't making any casual dating agreements during this phone call. We only found out about him dating two girls in 9x21. Unless you're saying Emily is a psychic and should have reacted to him potentially dating a girl 3 episodes in the future and that she didn't even knew existed... which is quite frankly bizarre. Then again maybe she has a really good ouija board... LOLObviously he wasn't dating both of them then but you are seriously missing the point here. When he was dating both there was instances were there was HINTS that they were on to him aleast Claire was. Maybe not so much Emily. When he was asked about it by Leonard or was it Howard I can't remember who or what Raj said but he did mentioned that it was hard dating two women because he kept forgetting who he was supposed to be meeting. Something along those lines but can't remember. That's a clue.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk I don't consider Raj a douche exclusively because of him dating Emily and Claire, even if that is pretty douchy in and of itself. I consider him a douche because of how he tricked Penny into quasi sleeping with him, how he had no regard for Leonard's feelings on the matter, and because of how he pinned after Bernadette. There are other examples of Raj's douche baggery, but those are the ones I remember the most.I do get that. But those were in the past. Shouldn't he be forgiven for those past mistakes and judged on who he is now. Just like we are meant to forget all Sheldon's past. Cause apparently he's changed for the good.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: I do get that. But those were in the past. Shouldn't he be forgiven for those past mistakes and judged on who he is now ? Just like we are meant to forget all Sheldon's past. Cause apparently he's changed for the good. I don't care enough about Raj to forgive him or not, but whether they are in the past or not they do show his character. You will also note that nowhere in my post have I referred to Sheldon. IMO Raj is still a douche, until he demonstrates otherwise (on the show). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, April said: But we don't know how much the girls were aware of what was going on. If the show had made that clearer the reaction would be different. Does how much they know really matter if they aren't exclusive? I mean, if they aren't asking questions, that's on them, not Raj. If the idea of Raj screwing someone else bothers them, they should ask to become exclusive. If he refuses to become exclusive or if he refuses to answer, then they should leave. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Raj's, the writers have made him unlikeable IMO, but I can't see, in this case, how it's somehow Raj's fault, if they aren't exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: Obviously he wasn't dating both of them then but you are seriously missing the point here. When he was dating both there was instances were there was HINTS that they were on to him aleast Claire was. Maybe not so much Emily. When he was asked about it by Leonard or was it Howard I can't remember who or what Raj said but he did mentioned that it was hard dating two women because he kept forgetting who he was supposed to be meeting. Something along those lines but can't remember. That's a clue. That's a clue that he's a douche, yes. LOL Again, we are talking about two consecutive episodes: 9x21 and 9x22. In 9x21 he was shamelessly bragging but we didn't get any reaction from the girls. Not even a second hand account from Raj like "oh Claire found Emily's bra and I got in trouble!" or whatever. Anything you're inferring from this is really just you filling in the blanks - because that's what they are: blanks in the narrative. Then 9x22 fills us in of the nature of the arrangement which is said to be "non-exclusive" but also has a lot of secrecy in that Raj doesn't want Claire to know. Yes, she's suspicious by then and that's also when she finds out. The show points out that she didn't know before. If the show wanted you to think that both girls know about each other and are fine with it they could have solved that with a simple line or two. But instead we got a lot secrecy and beating around the bush from Raj. Hence, why most people thought Raj was a douche for doing this. Edited January 5, 2017 by April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, serena_1995 said: Raj did not trick Penny into sleeping with him . They were both single, both were drunk and they both acted on it. But he did withhold information from both Penny and Leonard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I don't care enough about Raj to forgive him or not, but whether they are in the past or not they do show his character. You will also note that nowhere in my post have I referred to Sheldon. IMO Raj is still a douche, until he demonstrates otherwise (on the show).Fair enough. I know a lot of people on here think he is. That's fine. I just don't think he is. I save that for someone else.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tensor said: Does how much they know really matter if they aren't exclusive? I mean, if they aren't asking questions, that's on them, not Raj. If the idea of Raj screwing someone else bothers them, they should ask to become exclusive. If he refuses to become exclusive or if he refuses to answer, then they should leave. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Raj's, the writers have made him unlikeable IMO, but I can't see, in this case, how it's somehow Raj's fault, if they aren't exclusive. Well, if Raj is hiding something from either girl (and we find out that he does) then he's not truthful and that is certainly his fault. How are the girls supposed to make an informed decision if they are lacking some information? Agreeing that you're not exclusive is one thing but then pretending like you don't see anybody else even though you do is deceitful. Compare to when Raj started dating Emily and still was seeing Lucy: he was honest about that and told the girls upfront and they could decide if they were fine with that or not. And I suspect at some point they both did find out or wanted it to be exclusive and that's when they dumped him. But again, we don't know anything because it happened off screen and we had like 2 sentences from Raj explaining the situation. Edited January 5, 2017 by April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminous Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I guess this is from today's rehearsal Note Amy's harp in the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 That's a clue that he's a douche, yes. LOL Again, we are talking about two consecutive episodes: 9x21 and 9x22. In 9x21 he was shamelessly bragging but we didn't get any reaction from the girls. Not even a second hand account from Raj like "oh Claire found Emily's bra and I got in trouble!" or whatever. Anything you're inferring from this is really just you filling in the blanks - because that's what they are: blanks in the narrative. Then 9x22 fills us in of the nature of the arrangement which is said to be "non-exclusive" but also has a lot of secrecy in that Raj doesn't want Claire to know. Yes, she's suspicious by then and that's also when she finds out. The show points out that she didn't know before. If the show wanted you to think that both girls know about each other and are fine with it they could have solved that with a simple line or two. But instead we got a lot secrecy and beating around the bush from Raj. Hence, why most people thought Raj was a douche for doing this.The show also gives us clues that claire knew about Emily and that he dumped her on Valentine's Day. Alarm bells ringing. And she still started dating him. This does not make him a douche. He probably didn't know what he was doing was wrong. Isn't that the trend here.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidergirl Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, luminous said: I guess this is from today's rehearsal Note Amy's harp in the background Amy's harp!! Man, I wanted it so much!! Kaley rocks for sharing that!! And you too, Martin! *grin* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish Chef Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, luminous said: I guess this is from today's rehearsal Note Amy's harp in the background Penny wants her couch back, that's the story for next episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: The show also gives us clues that claire knew about Emily and that he dumped her on Valentine's Day. Alarm bells ringing. And she still started dating him. This does not make him a douche. He probably didn't know what he was doing was wrong. Isn't that the trend here. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk All he has to do is put his underwear on his head. All will be forgiven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, April said: How are the girls supposed to make an informed decision if they are lacking some information? Ask? 13 minutes ago, April said: Agreeing that you're not exclusive is one thing but then pretending like you don't see anybody else even though you do is deceitful. How? If you're not exclusive, how is seeing anyone else deceitful? Now, if he gave the impression that they were exclusive, then yes that would be deceitful. But all we got are the statements that they are not exclusive and no one was asking questions. 13 minutes ago, April said: And I suspect at some point they both did find out or wanted it to be exclusive and that's when they dumped him. But again, we don't know anything because it happened off screen and we had like 2 sentences from Raj explaining the situation. But, see, that's why I don't understand why he's automatically a douche, in this case. And, I suppose the differing opinions on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: The show also gives us clues that claire knew about Emily and that he dumped her on Valentine's Day. Alarm bells ringing. And she still started dating him. That weren't "clues". That was literally stated in the dialogue of the episodes. And yeah, who the fuck knows why Claire dated Raj!?? I sure don't! Best explanation is that she wanted a rebound after the reconciliation with her ex didn't work out. 2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: This does not make him a douche. He probably didn't know what he was doing was wrong. Isn't that the trend here. No, dating her doesn't make him a douche - but keeping information from her regarding his actual dating activities does. Also, bragging about the whole thing like an obnoxious asshole does. Look, the character has been through a similar situation before and he was sweet and honest about it then and nobody had an issue with that. So it's really not about the idea of him dating two women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) On 12/31/2016 at 5:55 PM, vonmar said: From TBBT You Tube Channel... At 8 and 9 seconds you see a real douche. Edited January 5, 2017 by Chrismo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tensor said: Ask? Which Claire did and then found out. 8 minutes ago, Tensor said: How? If you're not exclusive, how is seeing anyone else deceitful? Now, if he gave the impression that they were exclusive, then yes that would be deceitful. But all we got are the statements that they are not exclusive and no one was asking questions. Dunno, Raj not wanting his friends to tell sounds kinda deceitful... Claire: Your friends were just telling me about all the other girls you’re dating. Raj: Why would you do that? I specifically asked you not to do that. I mean, you know that doesn't look like he's open about dating others. 8 minutes ago, Tensor said: But, see, that's why I don't understand why he's automatically a douche, in this case. And, I suppose the differing opinions on it. I know we all want to collectively forget 9x21 happened but Raj's obnoxious bragging alone would qualify for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 No, dating her doesn't make him a douche - but keeping information from her regarding his actual dating activities does. Also, bragging about the whole thing like an obnoxious asshole does. Look, the character has been through a similar situation before and he was sweet and honest about it then and nobody had an issue with that. So it's really not about the idea of him dating two women.No different from Sheldon bragging about how he is better than everyone else and beneath him. Raj has had his share of fuck ups but as we don't know if they were exclusive or not. Bragging about it is no biggie. He was just boosting his ego. All the characters have done that at some point.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirs1 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: No different from Sheldon bragging about how he is better than everyone else and beneath him. Raj has had his share of fuck ups but as we don't know if they were exclusive or not. Bragging about it is no biggie. He was just boosting his ego. All the characters have done that at some point. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Those were literally the most sexist scenes I've ever seen in the show, not even Howard in his "golden age" made me cringe like Raj bragging about his dates' bra. Edited January 5, 2017 by mirs1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Those were literally the most sexist scenes Ive seen in the show, not even Howard in his "golden age" made me cringe like Raj bragging about his dates' bra.Really. Sheldon going through pennys underwear drawer and stealing her bra to make Amy jealous didn't make you cringe. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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