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56 minutes ago, john2p said:

Shamy as the " odd" couple, but therefore being destinied for eachother. Amy really learning how to deal with Sheldon. But for  all the agreements they have and make, still have their inconviences between them. They, and especially Sheldon still have to learn some empathy and dealing with feelings, especially expressing it in the right way.  Lenny the imo symbolic couple of passion, but also unorganized, chaotich, impulsive; running into situations and also big fights. Suddenly the RA makes sense. A couple can´t survive only on passion.

Agreed 100% with the bold, but neither can it be on deception, and this is what I had issue with in this episode in regards to Shamy.

First of all, the fact that Amy gave Sheldon a special juice in order to tolerate traveling with him just out right rubs me the wrong way.    The fact that Sheldon is okay with it, is even more bothersome.   I get that Amy has to sometimes "trick" Sheldon to keep him calm, but I thought this was going too far unless she let him know ahead of time of her intentions, which it doesn't seem she did.

Also, why put it on Sheldon to spill the beans to his mother about their living situation, if Amy has gone behind his back and already done it?   Sheldon has his immature flaws, but Amy is not painting a pretty picture of herself in my book.   If nothing, I'm surprised Sheldon doesn't have a complex wondering if he can trust her at all.

Then there is Mary.   While I did find her line comical about Sheldon being able to name 1,000 different trains by the time he was three years old but never imagining any girl would want to get on board, I did find her remarks to be inappropriate.   So, Sheldon has a "special situation."   I guess she was just being truthful, but I certainly can understand now where Sheldon gets his mean streak and tendency to insult others from.   That Sheldon caught on to the fact that his mother was indirectly insulting Amy, too, shocked me to no end.  What Mary did tonight was show that she is a Christian who is perfectly capable and fine with deviating from her own values when it suits her to do so.    At first, I think Sheldon was upset that he didn't get to utilize the counter arguments he had rehearsed in response to the Bible lecture he expected, but I genuinely think he was truly hurt by what his mother thought of him.

....and that is what ticked me off about the episode tonight.   Instead of giving Sheldon an opportunity to show his mom how much he has grown since living with Amy, TPTB put Sheldon in probably the least mature setting I've ever seen him in.   I did not find it humorous at all to see him coming out of his room with tidy whities and flippers talking through the darn fly.   Furthermore, if I were in Amy's position, I'd be rethinking the sex appeal that I find in the man and be considering Mary's comments about his "specialness" and if I really want to be a part of it.   Come on!  They just had a wonderful birthday redo showing Sheldon being the man Amy has always wanted, and then they do this?   

The conversation in the car was a welcome break from the shenanigans.   I appreciated Sheldon calling Amy his "mate," and he made some very good points.    Amy calling out that they both have short comings, and Sheldon's inability to read feelings was spot on.  Sheldon does need to take some interest in her family, and I do believe Amy would appreciate it if he did go behind her back and stirred things up sometimes, if only to show how much he cares.   Nonetheless, her expressions were absent of an apology but a means to attempt to justify her actions.   Sheldon has gotten better about apologizing.   I want Amy to apologize more for when she messes up.

...and therein lies the problem for me, and I've made mention of this in the past.   To me, Amy comes across sometimes as if her stuff don't stink and Sheldon is lucky to have her because she puts up with him.  I hated it during her discussions with Meemaw, and I hated it tonight.   The fact the writers threw Mary's comments in to reaffirm that she is shocked Sheldon is mated to a woman due to his difficulties, when apparently she came into existence as a result of a similar relationship between her own mother and father just makes my blood boil.   

When I compare what I saw in Mary tonight and what I saw in Meemaw, I think I'm on Meemaw's side.   At least Meemaw supports her moonpie, because she was married to a man her grandson takes after in his behavior.    To her, it's not about Sheldon having a girl, but one who is right for him.

So, my question is, does Mary really like Amy, or is she just accepting her because she is so elated Sheldon has a girl?

Please, my fellow Shamies, don't hate me.   I still ship Shamy, but in this one area, my blood boils all over with disappointed expectations.  I would have liked to have seen an episode where Mary and Amy bond over their love for Sheldon, talking about his gifts, learning a tidbit about Amy's family, seeing some affectionate hand holding between Shamy in front of Mary, etc.    I hated the opportunity was used to call into question why Sheldon is even in a relationship at all, other than his girlfriend is weird and is skilled in "trickery" so she can tolerate him.

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The inconsistency of Sheldon continues.

11 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Agreed 100% with the bold, but neither can it be on deception, and this is what I had issue with in this episode in regards to Shamy.

First of all, the fact that Amy gave Sheldon a special juice in order to tolerate traveling with him just out right rubs me the wrong way.    The fact that Sheldon is okay with it, is even more bothersome.   I get that Amy has to sometimes "trick" Sheldon to keep him calm, but I thought this was going too far unless she let him know ahead of time of her intentions, which it doesn't seem she did.

Also, why put it on Sheldon to spill the beans to his mother about their living situation, if Amy has gone behind his back and already done it?   Sheldon has his immature flaws, but Amy is not painting a pretty picture of herself in my book.   If nothing, I'm surprised Sheldon doesn't have a complex wondering if he can trust her at all.

Then there is Mary.   While I did find her line comical about Sheldon being able to name 1,000 different trains by the time he was three years old but never imagining any girl would want to get on board, I did find her remarks to be inappropriate.   So, Sheldon has a "special situation."   I guess she was just being truthful, but I certainly can understand now where Sheldon gets his mean streak and tendency to insult others from.   That Sheldon caught on to the fact that his mother was indirectly insulting Amy, too, shocked me to no end.  What Mary did tonight was show that she is a Christian who is perfectly capable and fine with deviating from her own values when it suits her to do so.    At first, I think Sheldon was upset that he didn't get to utilize the counter arguments he had rehearsed in response to the Bible lecture he expected, but I genuinely think he was truly hurt by what his mother thought of him.

....and that is what ticked me off about the episode tonight.   Instead of giving Sheldon an opportunity to show his mom how much he has grown since living with Amy, TPTB put Sheldon in probably the least mature setting I've ever seen him in.   I did not find it humorous at all to see him coming out of his room with tidy whities and flippers talking through the darn fly.   Furthermore, if I were in Amy's position, I'd be rethinking the sex appeal that I find in the man and be considering Mary's comments about his "specialness" and if I really want to be a part of it.   Come on!  They just had a wonderful birthday redo showing Sheldon being the man Amy has always wanted, and then they do this?   

The conversation in the car was a welcome break from the shenanigans.   I appreciated Sheldon calling Amy his "mate," and he made some very good points.    Amy calling out that they both have short comings, and Sheldon's inability to read feelings was spot on.  Sheldon does need to take some interest in her family, and I do believe Amy would appreciate it if he did go behind her back and stirred things up sometimes, if only to show how much he cares.   Nonetheless, her expressions were absent of an apology but a means to attempt to justify her actions.   Sheldon has gotten better about apologizing.   I want Amy to apologize more for when she messes up.

...and therein lies the problem for me, and I've made mention of this in the past.   To me, Amy comes across sometimes as if her stuff don't stink and Sheldon is lucky to have her because she puts up with him.  I hated it during her discussions with Meemaw, and I hated it tonight.   The fact the writers threw Mary's comments in to reaffirm that she is shocked Sheldon is mated to a woman due to his difficulties, when apparently she came into existence as a result of a similar relationship between her own mother and father just makes my blood boil.   

When I compare what I saw in Mary tonight and what I saw in Meemaw, I think I'm on Meemaw's side.   At least Meemaw supports her moonpie, because she was married to a man her grandson takes after in his behavior.    To her, it's not about Sheldon having a girl, but one who is right for him.

So, my question is, does Mary really like Amy, or is she just accepting her because she is so elated Sheldon has a girl?

Please, my fellow Shamies, don't hate me.   I still ship Shamy, but in this one area, my blood boils all over with disappointed expectations.  I would have liked to have seen an episode where Mary and Amy bond over their love for Sheldon, talking about his gifts, learning a tidbit about Amy's family, seeing some affectionate hand holding between Shamy in front of Mary, etc.    I hated the opportunity was used to call into question why Sheldon is even in a relationship at all, other than his girlfriend is weird and is skilled in "trickery" so she can tolerate him.

Well it's kinda ic for the show. They do that with all the couples. With Lenny, it's how Leonard got Penny. Sheldon it's why he's in a relationship. I'm not a shipper per say. So I diddnt have a problem with that. Mary Doesent seem to care that much about Amy or Shamy tbh. I don't think Sheldon needs her approval in any respect. When they "broke" up in S4. She kinda got them back together. If Mary and Amy bonded about what they love about Sheldon. Apart from being a very short conversation lol. That feels non cannon for me.

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3 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

The inconsistency of Sheldon continues.

What doesn't help is TPTB make Sheldon/Shamy storylines too long. Time wise Lenny and Shamy storyline times shouldn't have been switched. They certainly could of cut out the underwear and ear piercing and actually physically shown Lenny getting the tree. Sheldon's inconsistencies would of been less noticeable.

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52 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Agreed 100% with the bold, but neither can it be on deception, and this is what I had issue with in this episode in regards to Shamy.

First of all, the fact that Amy gave Sheldon a special juice in order to tolerate traveling with him just out right rubs me the wrong way.    The fact that Sheldon is okay with it, is even more bothersome.   I get that Amy has to sometimes "trick" Sheldon to keep him calm, but I thought this was going too far unless she let him know ahead of time of her intentions, which it doesn't seem she did.

Also, why put it on Sheldon to spill the beans to his mother about their living situation, if Amy has gone behind his back and already done it?   Sheldon has his immature flaws, but Amy is not painting a pretty picture of herself in my book.   If nothing, I'm surprised Sheldon doesn't have a complex wondering if he can trust her at all.

Then there is Mary.   While I did find her line comical about Sheldon being able to name 1,000 different trains by the time he was three years old but never imagining any girl would want to get on board, I did find her remarks to be inappropriate.   So, Sheldon has a "special situation."   I guess she was just being truthful, but I certainly can understand now where Sheldon gets his mean streak and tendency to insult others from.   That Sheldon caught on to the fact that his mother was indirectly insulting Amy, too, shocked me to no end.  What Mary did tonight was show that she is a Christian who is perfectly capable and fine with deviating from her own values when it suits her to do so.    At first, I think Sheldon was upset that he didn't get to utilize the counter arguments he had rehearsed in response to the Bible lecture he expected, but I genuinely think he was truly hurt by what his mother thought of him.

....and that is what ticked me off about the episode tonight.   Instead of giving Sheldon an opportunity to show his mom how much he has grown since living with Amy, TPTB put Sheldon in probably the least mature setting I've ever seen him in.   I did not find it humorous at all to see him coming out of his room with tidy whities and flippers talking through the darn fly.   Furthermore, if I were in Amy's position, I'd be rethinking the sex appeal that I find in the man and be considering Mary's comments about his "specialness" and if I really want to be a part of it.   Come on!  They just had a wonderful birthday redo showing Sheldon being the man Amy has always wanted, and then they do this?   

The conversation in the car was a welcome break from the shenanigans.   I appreciated Sheldon calling Amy his "mate," and he made some very good points.    Amy calling out that they both have short comings, and Sheldon's inability to read feelings was spot on.  Sheldon does need to take some interest in her family, and I do believe Amy would appreciate it if he did go behind her back and stirred things up sometimes, if only to show how much he cares.   Nonetheless, her expressions were absent of an apology but a means to attempt to justify her actions.   Sheldon has gotten better about apologizing.   I want Amy to apologize more for when she messes up.

...and therein lies the problem for me, and I've made mention of this in the past.   To me, Amy comes across sometimes as if her stuff don't stink and Sheldon is lucky to have her because she puts up with him.  I hated it during her discussions with Meemaw, and I hated it tonight.   The fact the writers threw Mary's comments in to reaffirm that she is shocked Sheldon is mated to a woman due to his difficulties, when apparently she came into existence as a result of a similar relationship between her own mother and father just makes my blood boil.   

When I compare what I saw in Mary tonight and what I saw in Meemaw, I think I'm on Meemaw's side.   At least Meemaw supports her moonpie, because she was married to a man her grandson takes after in his behavior.    To her, it's not about Sheldon having a girl, but one who is right for him.

So, my question is, does Mary really like Amy, or is she just accepting her because she is so elated Sheldon has a girl?

Please, my fellow Shamies, don't hate me.   I still ship Shamy, but in this one area, my blood boils all over with disappointed expectations.  I would have liked to have seen an episode where Mary and Amy bond over their love for Sheldon, talking about his gifts, learning a tidbit about Amy's family, seeing some affectionate hand holding between Shamy in front of Mary, etc.    I hated the opportunity was used to call into question why Sheldon is even in a relationship at all, other than his girlfriend is weird and is skilled in "trickery" so she can tolerate him.

I think I understand what you mean. But I honestly have to admit that it didn´t bother me much. And I think because I am not that emotionally attached to Shamy. As for I am a Lenny. However in reverse I really can imagine how you feel. Because it does reflect how I feel sometimes how "my" Lenny is written by the writers. Sometimes overexaggerating their flaws or being very inconsistent just to get the easy laugh. On the other side I really love the very small interactions between Leonard and Amy. They definitely grow to eachother, because they understand how difficult it is to be the significant other of Sheldon. But Amy takes it much lighthearted as Leonard did. And maybe the writers need to find a balance in not to overreact her in dealing with his habits and treating him as a child. But in a way Sheldon (actually the writers) does show many regressions in the episodes. Show how very "matured" he is,  that wouldn´be funny I think in the eyes of the writers. 

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Agreed 100% with the bold, but neither can it be on deception, and this is what I had issue with in this episode in regards to Shamy.
First of all, the fact that Amy gave Sheldon a special juice in order to tolerate traveling with him just out right rubs me the wrong way.    The fact that Sheldon is okay with it, is even more bothersome.   I get that Amy has to sometimes "trick" Sheldon to keep him calm, but I thought this was going too far unless she let him know ahead of time of her intentions, which it doesn't seem she did.
Also, why put it on Sheldon to spill the beans to his mother about their living situation, if Amy has gone behind his back and already done it?   Sheldon has his immature flaws, but Amy is not painting a pretty picture of herself in my book.   If nothing, I'm surprised Sheldon doesn't have a complex wondering if he can trust her at all.
Then there is Mary.   While I did find her line comical about Sheldon being able to name 1,000 different trains by the time he was three years old but never imagining any girl would want to get on board, I did find her remarks to be inappropriate.   So, Sheldon has a "special situation."   I guess she was just being truthful, but I certainly can understand now where Sheldon gets his mean streak and tendency to insult others from.   That Sheldon caught on to the fact that his mother was indirectly insulting Amy, too, shocked me to no end.  What Mary did tonight was show that she is a Christian who is perfectly capable and fine with deviating from her own values when it suits her to do so.    At first, I think Sheldon was upset that he didn't get to utilize the counter arguments he had rehearsed in response to the Bible lecture he expected, but I genuinely think he was truly hurt by what his mother thought of him.
....and that is what ticked me off about the episode tonight.   Instead of giving Sheldon an opportunity to show his mom how much he has grown since living with Amy, TPTB put Sheldon in probably the least mature setting I've ever seen him in.   I did not find it humorous at all to see him coming out of his room with tidy whities and flippers talking through the darn fly.   Furthermore, if I were in Amy's position, I'd be rethinking the sex appeal that I find in the man and be considering Mary's comments about his "specialness" and if I really want to be a part of it.   Come on!  They just had a wonderful birthday redo showing Sheldon being the man Amy has always wanted, and then they do this?   
The conversation in the car was a welcome break from the shenanigans.   I appreciated Sheldon calling Amy his "mate," and he made some very good points.    Amy calling out that they both have short comings, and Sheldon's inability to read feelings was spot on.  Sheldon does need to take some interest in her family, and I do believe Amy would appreciate it if he did go behind her back and stirred things up sometimes, if only to show how much he cares.   Nonetheless, her expressions were absent of an apology but a means to attempt to justify her actions.   Sheldon has gotten better about apologizing.   I want Amy to apologize more for when she messes up.
...and therein lies the problem for me, and I've made mention of this in the past.   To me, Amy comes across sometimes as if her stuff don't stink and Sheldon is lucky to have her because she puts up with him.  I hated it during her discussions with Meemaw, and I hated it tonight.   The fact the writers threw Mary's comments in to reaffirm that she is shocked Sheldon is mated to a woman due to his difficulties, when apparently she came into existence as a result of a similar relationship between her own mother and father just makes my blood boil.   
When I compare what I saw in Mary tonight and what I saw in Meemaw, I think I'm on Meemaw's side.   At least Meemaw supports her moonpie, because she was married to a man her grandson takes after in his behavior.    To her, it's not about Sheldon having a girl, but one who is right for him.
So, my question is, does Mary really like Amy, or is she just accepting her because she is so elated Sheldon has a girl?
Please, my fellow Shamies, don't hate me.   I still ship Shamy, but in this one area, my blood boils all over with disappointed expectations.  I would have liked to have seen an episode where Mary and Amy bond over their love for Sheldon, talking about his gifts, learning a tidbit about Amy's family, seeing some affectionate hand holding between Shamy in front of Mary, etc.    I hated the opportunity was used to call into question why Sheldon is even in a relationship at all, other than his girlfriend is weird and is skilled in "trickery" so she can tolerate him.

I agree with this post. I though Sheldon in the tighty whities was incredibly immature on the writers' part. And I really don't understand why they did that. I was also not happy with Amy's trickery. I was especially disappointed in the fact that Sheldon was ok with it. In the past, he did not approve, and even punished her for lying to him.


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53 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Agreed 100% with the bold, but neither can it be on deception, and this is what I had issue with in this episode in regards to Shamy.

First of all, the fact that Amy gave Sheldon a special juice in order to tolerate traveling with him just out right rubs me the wrong way.    The fact that Sheldon is okay with it, is even more bothersome.   I get that Amy has to sometimes "trick" Sheldon to keep him calm, but I thought this was going too far unless she let him know ahead of time of her intentions, which it doesn't seem she did.

Also, why put it on Sheldon to spill the beans to his mother about their living situation, if Amy has gone behind his back and already done it?   Sheldon has his immature flaws, but Amy is not painting a pretty picture of herself in my book.   If nothing, I'm surprised Sheldon doesn't have a complex wondering if he can trust her at all.

Then there is Mary.   While I did find her line comical about Sheldon being able to name 1,000 different trains by the time he was three years old but never imagining any girl would want to get on board, I did find her remarks to be inappropriate.   So, Sheldon has a "special situation."   I guess she was just being truthful, but I certainly can understand now where Sheldon gets his mean streak and tendency to insult others from.   That Sheldon caught on to the fact that his mother was indirectly insulting Amy, too, shocked me to no end.  What Mary did tonight was show that she is a Christian who is perfectly capable and fine with deviating from her own values when it suits her to do so.    At first, I think Sheldon was upset that he didn't get to utilize the counter arguments he had rehearsed in response to the Bible lecture he expected, but I genuinely think he was truly hurt by what his mother thought of him.

....and that is what ticked me off about the episode tonight.   Instead of giving Sheldon an opportunity to show his mom how much he has grown since living with Amy, TPTB put Sheldon in probably the least mature setting I've ever seen him in.   I did not find it humorous at all to see him coming out of his room with tidy whities and flippers talking through the darn fly.   Furthermore, if I were in Amy's position, I'd be rethinking the sex appeal that I find in the man and be considering Mary's comments about his "specialness" and if I really want to be a part of it.   Come on!  They just had a wonderful birthday redo showing Sheldon being the man Amy has always wanted, and then they do this?   

The conversation in the car was a welcome break from the shenanigans.   I appreciated Sheldon calling Amy his "mate," and he made some very good points.    Amy calling out that they both have short comings, and Sheldon's inability to read feelings was spot on.  Sheldon does need to take some interest in her family, and I do believe Amy would appreciate it if he did go behind her back and stirred things up sometimes, if only to show how much he cares.   Nonetheless, her expressions were absent of an apology but a means to attempt to justify her actions.   Sheldon has gotten better about apologizing.   I want Amy to apologize more for when she messes up.

...and therein lies the problem for me, and I've made mention of this in the past.   To me, Amy comes across sometimes as if her stuff don't stink and Sheldon is lucky to have her because she puts up with him.  I hated it during her discussions with Meemaw, and I hated it tonight.   The fact the writers threw Mary's comments in to reaffirm that she is shocked Sheldon is mated to a woman due to his difficulties, when apparently she came into existence as a result of a similar relationship between her own mother and father just makes my blood boil.   

When I compare what I saw in Mary tonight and what I saw in Meemaw, I think I'm on Meemaw's side.   At least Meemaw supports her moonpie, because she was married to a man her grandson takes after in his behavior.    To her, it's not about Sheldon having a girl, but one who is right for him.

So, my question is, does Mary really like Amy, or is she just accepting her because she is so elated Sheldon has a girl?

Please, my fellow Shamies, don't hate me.   I still ship Shamy, but in this one area, my blood boils all over with disappointed expectations.  I would have liked to have seen an episode where Mary and Amy bond over their love for Sheldon, talking about his gifts, learning a tidbit about Amy's family, seeing some affectionate hand holding between Shamy in front of Mary, etc.    I hated the opportunity was used to call into question why Sheldon is even in a relationship at all, other than his girlfriend is weird and is skilled in "trickery" so she can tolerate him.

 So basically you hate that the others didn't treat Sheldon with the awe and respect he deserves? They treated him exactly right, like an spoiled hyperactive toddler which is how they have to to function on a semi adult level with what is in fact a spoiled narcissistic child.

This isn't new Sheldon acting and being treated like a child is a staple of the show and shouldn't surprise anyone when it happens. It's like suddenly complaining that Penny and Bernie are both blonde as if it was a surprise after seeing it for years

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32 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

I agree with your post. Is deception, dishonesty and lying really necessary on Amy's part after 6 years together ? Is Sheldon regressing to a toddler really necessary now ?  

TBH, if I found my boyfriend was drugging me with weird tasting juice , making decisions without me and disclosing something private about us,  to my parents, I would have trust issues too. I am surprised why Sheldon should trust Amy between this episode and her lying to prolong living in 4B. So I understand Sheldon's pissed off reaction to some extent.  BUT , I can't completely blame Amy and Mary, when Sheldon goes right ahead and proves to everyone that he is indeed immature LOL. The entire plot was pointless. 

People say  it is a good thing that the show is having Sheldon push back and protest at being treated as an incapable manchild. But what good is all the protesting, if Mary and Amy still do not acknowledge that he is right about his complaints in-show ?   What exactly is the point here ? What is the moral of the story ? From what I saw, the show proves that : 

 Mary's   is justified in her remarks to Sheldon. Mary has said a lot of ignorant, crude and downright racist stuff over the years, so im not surprised. 

 Amy believes she is justified in lying to Sheldon.  

Amy  is justified for making  decisions about their relationship without including Sheldon in the decision making process. 

Everyone thinks it is reasonable and even funny to drug your partner.And Sheldon doesn't even protest. 

Sheldon is indeed as immature and incapable as everyone thinks he is.

So there. What pisses me off is that there was NO acknowledgement from Amy , Mary and Sheldon that their behavior was less than ideal. UGH. So the show is effectively proving the opposite- that their behavior was acceptable and reasonable. And there is nothing wrong if you agree with Mary's views or Amy and Sheldon's behavior, but don't expect me to find it funny and romantic. 

Sheldon himself is manipulative to others and never takes their pov into consideration only caring about how something effects him personally, I quite enjoy seeing him treated as he treats others. Until he can act like an caring adult neither he nor his loyal fans have any room to complain when the tables are turned on him and honestly I find it both funny and fitting

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I can't find anything Sheldon does these days as funny, romantic, compelling etc. due to how inconsistent the writing of his character is.

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5 hours ago, jenafan said:

Please, my fellow Shamies, don't hate me.   I still ship Shamy, but in this one area, my blood boils all over with disappointed expectations.  I would have liked to have seen an episode where Mary and Amy bond over their love for Sheldon, talking about his gifts, learning a tidbit about Amy's family, seeing some affectionate hand holding between Shamy in front of Mary, etc.    I hated the opportunity was used to call into question why Sheldon is even in a relationship at all, other than his girlfriend is weird and is skilled in "trickery" so she can tolerate him.

We would hate you for you share your opinion? It would be ridiculous, I am sure nobody would feel like that after reading your thoughts, Jen.

We are all adults here and we can't agree all the time. And when we dont like something, we have the right to express what we didnt like and why if we feel into doing it. Always respectful and polite, but always being honest about what we feel. That's my thing at least.

I feel you, my blood is boiling too today. And when my blood is boiling, I need to think more before I express my feelings. Because I know I can get confuse as I am not using my mother language. But well, it is better to you to read spidergirl boiling blood thoughts in english, in portuguese I would sound more harsh, believe me, lol!

Anyway, as soon as I am ready, I will talk about it.

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5 hours ago, jenafan said:

Agreed 100% with the bold, but neither can it be on deception, and this is what I had issue with in this episode in regards to Shamy.

First of all, the fact that Amy gave Sheldon a special juice in order to tolerate traveling with him just out right rubs me the wrong way.    The fact that Sheldon is okay with it, is even more bothersome.   I get that Amy has to sometimes "trick" Sheldon to keep him calm, but I thought this was going too far unless she let him know ahead of time of her intentions, which it doesn't seem she did.

Also, why put it on Sheldon to spill the beans to his mother about their living situation, if Amy has gone behind his back and already done it?   Sheldon has his immature flaws, but Amy is not painting a pretty picture of herself in my book.   If nothing, I'm surprised Sheldon doesn't have a complex wondering if he can trust her at all.

Then there is Mary.   While I did find her line comical about Sheldon being able to name 1,000 different trains by the time he was three years old but never imagining any girl would want to get on board, I did find her remarks to be inappropriate.   So, Sheldon has a "special situation."   I guess she was just being truthful, but I certainly can understand now where Sheldon gets his mean streak and tendency to insult others from.   That Sheldon caught on to the fact that his mother was indirectly insulting Amy, too, shocked me to no end.  What Mary did tonight was show that she is a Christian who is perfectly capable and fine with deviating from her own values when it suits her to do so.    At first, I think Sheldon was upset that he didn't get to utilize the counter arguments he had rehearsed in response to the Bible lecture he expected, but I genuinely think he was truly hurt by what his mother thought of him.

....and that is what ticked me off about the episode tonight.   Instead of giving Sheldon an opportunity to show his mom how much he has grown since living with Amy, TPTB put Sheldon in probably the least mature setting I've ever seen him in.   I did not find it humorous at all to see him coming out of his room with tidy whities and flippers talking through the darn fly.   Furthermore, if I were in Amy's position, I'd be rethinking the sex appeal that I find in the man and be considering Mary's comments about his "specialness" and if I really want to be a part of it.   Come on!  They just had a wonderful birthday redo showing Sheldon being the man Amy has always wanted, and then they do this?   

The conversation in the car was a welcome break from the shenanigans.   I appreciated Sheldon calling Amy his "mate," and he made some very good points.    Amy calling out that they both have short comings, and Sheldon's inability to read feelings was spot on.  Sheldon does need to take some interest in her family, and I do believe Amy would appreciate it if he did go behind her back and stirred things up sometimes, if only to show how much he cares.   Nonetheless, her expressions were absent of an apology but a means to attempt to justify her actions.   Sheldon has gotten better about apologizing.   I want Amy to apologize more for when she messes up.

...and therein lies the problem for me, and I've made mention of this in the past.   To me, Amy comes across sometimes as if her stuff don't stink and Sheldon is lucky to have her because she puts up with him.  I hated it during her discussions with Meemaw, and I hated it tonight.   The fact the writers threw Mary's comments in to reaffirm that she is shocked Sheldon is mated to a woman due to his difficulties, when apparently she came into existence as a result of a similar relationship between her own mother and father just makes my blood boil.   

When I compare what I saw in Mary tonight and what I saw in Meemaw, I think I'm on Meemaw's side.   At least Meemaw supports her moonpie, because she was married to a man her grandson takes after in his behavior.    To her, it's not about Sheldon having a girl, but one who is right for him.

So, my question is, does Mary really like Amy, or is she just accepting her because she is so elated Sheldon has a girl?

Please, my fellow Shamies, don't hate me.   I still ship Shamy, but in this one area, my blood boils all over with disappointed expectations.  I would have liked to have seen an episode where Mary and Amy bond over their love for Sheldon, talking about his gifts, learning a tidbit about Amy's family, seeing some affectionate hand holding between Shamy in front of Mary, etc.    I hated the opportunity was used to call into question why Sheldon is even in a relationship at all, other than his girlfriend is weird and is skilled in "trickery" so she can tolerate him.

I disagree with all of this... This episode was just silly fun. The writers doing the same thing they always do. Showing in one episode growth. Then in the next showing he is still Sheldon.

Maybe its becausebI have an autistic child. I mean I know Sheldon is her partner and not her child. Still Amy cares for him in many if the same ways. I would'nt call giving him a juice to help calm him down on a plane trickery. They have shown multiple times that travel makes him nervous. Amy was just trying to make it easier on him. I know of many people who take a xanax or an ambien before getting on a plane? 

Also with talking to,Mary without him. She saw itbas a potenial roadblock to their happiness. If Mary had freaked out then maybe he woukd change his mind. Both Leonard and Penny have called Mary to discuss his well being without him. All she was doing was giving her a heads up. Gauging the reaction. Then encouraging Sheldon to be a grown up and tell his mom by himself. Which is why she put the announcement on him. It was his news to tell.

On a side note... I do hope the part about her being delighted him showing the slightest interest in her family is foreshadowing that we will see sime famiky members soon. 

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7 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

An interesting observation on tonight's post Xmas episode.....Although Penny & Leonard and Howard & Bernadette & Raj & Stuart were all in Pasadena, it does not appear that they spent any time together (other than Poppins & Doubtfire with the Wolowitz family). I can't think of many episodes where there was acknowledgement of a large span of time the group has been apart. Things are changing....

Well, to be fair, as new parents you are pretty busy, even with the help. So that is a very believable reason for not hanging out all the time during the first weeks. Things will get better once they have their daily routine down and everyone adjusted to the changes.

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14 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:
On 1/3/2017 at 4:29 AM, 3ku11 said:

 

Well said I couldnt agree more :icon_razz:

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30 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Well said I couldnt agree more :icon_razz:

Ha! My quote thing would not disengage when I was going to post (not including a quote). Rethought posting and couldn't totally erase! Technologically inept!

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16 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Ha! My quote thing would not disengage when I was going to post (not including a quote). Rethought posting and couldn't totally erase! Technologically inept!

No!!  No!!  No!!  Hokie, put the blame where it belongs...on the moron who designed the quote function!  We've had problems and have been bitching about it since day one!  In fact, I think it's about the only thing EVERY ship of this show can agree on.

The quote function sucks!!

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The only post I am going to make on this thread in relation to this episode is about the drugging of Sheldon. I don't know why the writers did that, it was a stupid direction to go in IMO. Leonard's gag about wanting the recipe so he could drug Sheldon when they went to their next comic con just added to the stupidity.

I would have gone ABSOLUTELY apeshit if that had happened to me.

Please writers, DO NOT bring that up again. It wasn't funny at all, in fact it was slightly disturbing.

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33 minutes ago, Jonny said:

The only post I am going to make on this thread in relation to this episode is about the drugging of Sheldon. I don't know why the writers did that, it was a stupid direction to go in IMO. Leonard's gag about wanting the recipe so he could drug Sheldon when they went to their next comic con just added to the stupidity.

I would have gone ABSOLUTELY apeshit if that had happened to me.

Please writers, DO NOT bring that up again. It wasn't funny at all, in fact it was slightly disturbing.

Well to be fair. In real life it wouldent go down so well. But in a sitcom most of its exagerrated. I doubt Leonard would really drug Sheldon.it was just some silly Gag. I laughed. Considering how difficult Sheldon can be.

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56 minutes ago, Jonny said:

The only post I am going to make on this thread in relation to this episode is about the drugging of Sheldon. I don't know why the writers did that, it was a stupid direction to go in IMO. Leonard's gag about wanting the recipe so he could drug Sheldon when they went to their next comic con just added to the stupidity.

I would have gone ABSOLUTELY apeshit if that had happened to me.

Please writers, DO NOT bring that up again. It wasn't funny at all, in fact it was slightly disturbing.

Underwear on head and piercing of ears was more disturbing. Sheldon didn't say anything about the juice cause he knows he's a pain in the ass.

4 hours ago, JE7 said:

Sheldon himself is manipulative to others and never takes their pov into consideration only caring about how something effects him personally, I quite enjoy seeing him treated as he treats others. Until he can act like an caring adult neither he nor his loyal fans have any room to complain when the tables are turned on him and honestly I find it both funny and fitting

You get what you give.

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2 hours ago, Jonny said:

The only post I am going to make on this thread in relation to this episode is about the drugging of Sheldon. I don't know why the writers did that, it was a stupid direction to go in IMO. Leonard's gag about wanting the recipe so he could drug Sheldon when they went to their next comic con just added to the stupidity.

I would have gone ABSOLUTELY apeshit if that had happened to me.

Please writers, DO NOT bring that up again. It wasn't funny at all, in fact it was slightly disturbing.

The part I think to me was most disturbing was that they do it to him unaware. That is what upsets me. It is so wrong.

Many people are a pain in the ass to travel with so taking something to calm the nerves is not crazy. Just make him aware he is getting something to make him tolerable, but I guess that isn't funny to the general population.

 

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7 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

The drugging was the worst part of the episode to me for a really pretty simple reason: consent.

It's particularly baffling when consent has been handled so well between them in earlier episodes. Like, it's not like the writers don't know how to make that work with the couple.

If you are dead set to go with the drugging angle at least make it like Sheldon takes something voluntarily to calm down during the flight and let the humour come from it being some weirdass pill they got from Bernie that knocks him out longer than expected, for example. You could have had the same jokes but without the icky factor.

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24 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

The drugging was the worst part of the episode to me for a really pretty simple reason: consent. Sheldon was incapacitated and taken across state lines by his romantic partner, and this was presented as light-hearted goofy fun.

 

The thing was Sheldon didn't make a production about it. Sheldon, and Amy,  has done experiments without consent of Lenny and that was okay. Or how about when Sheldon committed battery against Amy in the Thanksgiving episode?

On a side note is Sheldon going to put the "juice"  in the Lenny RA?

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19 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

Fair enough. I know a lot of people on here think he is. That's fine. I just don't think he is. I save that for someone else.

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Just to clarify: in this particular case I was just talking exclusively about Raj , who I still think is a douche. That being said, by no means does that mean that I think he is the ONLY douche.

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1 hour ago, kimbee73 said:

The part I think to me was most disturbing was that they do it to him unaware. That is what upsets me. It is so wrong.

Many people are a pain in the ass to travel with so taking something to calm the nerves is not crazy. Just make him aware he is getting something to make him tolerable, but I guess that isn't funny to the general population.

 

Thank you for putting in the right words what I felt for the drugging plus it was done without consent "because the travel thing". After seeing how well the consent had worked between Sheldon and Amy so far, it was unnecessary, disturbing and imo not funny at all. It would make all sense as Amy helped Sheldon calming his nerves with a med as long as he he was well with that.

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The thing was Sheldon didn't make a production about it. Sheldon, and Amy,  has done experiments without consent of Lenny and that was okay. Or how about when Sheldon committed battery against Amy in the Thanksgiving episode?
On a side note is Sheldon going to put the "juice"  in the Lenny RA?

It's funny how ppls go on about the treatment of Sheldon as a baby. But treat him as a baby themselves. You act like a baby you get treated like one until you show otherwise. Amy didn't ask him before she drugged him. So what. Did they ask for consent when they experiment on their friends. Nope. Amy know what a pain he can be. Maybe she wanted a quiet journey without Sheldon going on one. I didn't see Sheldon asking for Amy consent or discussing with her prior to when he wanted to get his leg over just to have a baby. Shouldn't that be discussed as a couple and consent given. But no it seems like people missed that one. If that was Amy that wanted to have baby and didn't talk to Sheldon about it. The same people will go bad Amy. That girl can never do right. Always getting the blame for Sheldon's nonsense.



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Just to clarify: in this particular case I was just talking exclusively about Raj , who I still think is a douche. That being said, by no means does that mean that I think he is the ONLY douche.

No worries. I got that you were talking about Raj.

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