[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[I Miss Dan]

I can't believe Bill Prady thought this was a very funny episode.  I definately  thought the Lenny and Howardette scenes were funnier than the Shamy ones, but not roll-on-the-floor funny.

[veejay]

9 minutes ago, I Miss Dan said:

I can't believe Bill Prady thought this was a very funny episode.  I definately  thought the Lenny and Howardette scenes were funnier than the Shamy ones, but not roll-on-the-floor funny.

[kimbee73]

40 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

It's funny how ppls go on about the treatment of Sheldon as a baby. But treat him as a baby themselves. You act like a baby you get treated like one until you show otherwise. Amy didn't ask him before she drugged him. So what. Did they ask for consent when they experiment on their friends. Nope. Amy know what a pain he can be. Maybe she wanted a quiet journey without Sheldon going on one. I didn't see Sheldon asking for Amy consent or discussing with her prior to when he wanted to get his leg over just to have a baby. Shouldn't that be discussed as a couple and consent given. But no it seems like people missed that one. If that was Amy that wanted to have baby and didn't talk to Sheldon about it. The same people will go bad Amy. That girl can never do right. Always getting the blame for Sheldon's nonsense.



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So what? Putting drugs in someone's drink is illegal last time I checked. I am sorry but asking someone to get a banana out of a puzzle box is a bit different than giving someone drugs. And I want you to know that I am not saying that experimenting on your friends is nice either just that the experiments are different situation.

And in the baby episode you are absolutely correct....he did not ask for consent but he didn't get his way either. She shot him down every time he tried if I recall.

 

[Chrismo]

4 minutes ago, kimbee73 said:

So what? Putting drugs in someone's drink is illegal last time I checked. I am sorry but asking someone to get a banana out of a puzzle box is a bit different than giving someone drugs. And I want you to know that I am not saying that experimenting on your friends is nice either just that the experiments are different situation.

And in the baby episode you are absolutely correct....he did not ask for consent but he didn't get his way either. She shot him down every time he tried if I recall.

 

Did Sheldon press charges? When Sheldon committed battery on Amy was that legal?

[Tonstar17]

So what? Putting drugs in someone's drink is illegal last time I checked. I am sorry but asking someone to get a banana out of a puzzle box is a bit different than giving someone drugs. And I want you to know that I am not saying that experimenting on your friends is nice either just that the experiments are different situation.
And in the baby episode you are absolutely correct....he did not ask for consent but he didn't get his way either. She shot him down every time he tried if I recall.
 

Well the writers don't seems to think it is illegal or anything wrong with it as it's not a stranger. Mum's sometimes drugged their babies to get them to sleep.
The point is he didn't ask for consent he just automatically thought that Amy was up for it. It's childish and as long as tptb keep defaulting him to child mode. Sheldon will sometimes be treated like a child by his mother and the gang including Amy.

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[kimbee73]

Just now, Chrismo said:

Did Sheldon press charges? When Sheldon committed battery on Amy was that legal?

No he did not press charges but regardless it is still illegal. And the battery you are talking about Amy didn't press charges either. Actually I think she enjoyed it.

I am not trying to get into a debate about this. 

I did say that what they did to their friends was wrong too. I am not for experimenting on friends in any way without consent.

If Amy had said "here is something to calm you during the flight" I would have been all for it and someone in one of their posts(either here or in Shamy) said they could have had it be a drug from Bernie's that Sheldon had a negative reaction and still gotten laughs.

I just didn't like her giving him "funny tasting juice"  He did take it but still.....it's not right.

[kimbee73]

1 minute ago, Tonstar17 said:

Well the writers don't seems to think it is illegal or anything wrong with it as it's not a stranger. Mum's sometimes drugged their babies to get them to sleep.
The point is he didn't ask for consent he just automatically thought that Amy was up for it. It's childish and as long as tptb keep defaulting him to child mode. Sheldon will sometimes be treated like a child by his mother and the gang including Amy.

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Oh I agree with that. He did think she would be up for it but she was not and shot him down. And you are right as long as they keep making him act childish he will be treated like that. And that is why I didn't like Amy doing that to him. She was the one to tell Meemaw to stop treating him like a child yet she does the same thing.

[Tonstar17]

Oh I agree with that. He did think she would be up for it but she was not and shot him down. And you are right as long as they keep making him act childish he will be treated like that. And that is why I didn't like Amy doing that to him. She was the one to tell Meemaw to stop treating him like a child yet she does the same thing.

Point taken. I think Amy was just trying to make everything a smooth transaction with less drama and stress for Sheldon. Getting him to texas and telling his mom about them living together. It obviously backfired and Sheldon acting the way he did didn't help matters or getting rid of the baby/child tag. Do you really believe that Sheldon would have drank the juice or any medication Bernadette had provided? I don't think so. It was the only way that he would have taken it. Him not knowing.

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[kimbee73]

 

16 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Are you serious about the "juice"?

So since she enjoyed it that  makes it okay.

To me these are two very different things.

Amy enjoyed the slap on the rear. I think then it is okay. If she had hauled off and slugged him back we would have known it wasn't okay.

Sheldon was unaware he was drugged. That is not okay.

 

3 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Point taken. I think Amy was just trying to make everything a smooth transaction with less drama and stress for Sheldon. Getting him to texas and telling his mom about them living together. It obviously backfired and Sheldon acting the way he did didn't help matters or getting rid of the baby/child tag. Do you really believe that Sheldon would have drank the juice or any medication Bernadette had provided? I don't think so. It was the only way that he would have taken it. Him not knowing.

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We have seen him drink to relax so you never know. I doubt he would have knowingly done it. But there could have been good things if it had been done that way as well. And I agree she was trying to relax the situation and it backfired.

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[luminous]

 

[veejay]

11 minutes ago, luminous said:

 

LOL! I do really love @a.ayers.

[Chrismo]

30 minutes ago, kimbee73 said:

 

To me these are two very different things.

Amy enjoyed the slap on the rear. I think then it is okay. If she had hauled off and slugged him back we would have known it wasn't okay.

Sheldon was unaware he was drugged. That is not okay.

 

I'm sorry there not. But people are always making excuses for his bad behavior. And people wonder why he is treated like a child. There was no way Sheldon knew what Amy's reaction would be. Just like the juice she wasn't asked if she wanted to be spanked at a thanksgiving dinner. Both the juice and the sparking were criminal acts. Again he didn't seem upset by the drugging. If Amy had gotten upset over the spanking IMO most would of said she was overreacting 

 

[Ginny Hamilton]

13 hours ago, jenafan said:

Agreed 100% with the bold, but neither can it be on deception, and this is what I had issue with in this episode in regards to Shamy.

First of all, the fact that Amy gave Sheldon a special juice in order to tolerate traveling with him just out right rubs me the wrong way.    The fact that Sheldon is okay with it, is even more bothersome.   I get that Amy has to sometimes "trick" Sheldon to keep him calm, but I thought this was going too far unless she let him know ahead of time of her intentions, which it doesn't seem she did.

Also, why put it on Sheldon to spill the beans to his mother about their living situation, if Amy has gone behind his back and already done it?   Sheldon has his immature flaws, but Amy is not painting a pretty picture of herself in my book.   If nothing, I'm surprised Sheldon doesn't have a complex wondering if he can trust her at all.

Then there is Mary.   While I did find her line comical about Sheldon being able to name 1,000 different trains by the time he was three years old but never imagining any girl would want to get on board, I did find her remarks to be inappropriate.   So, Sheldon has a "special situation."   I guess she was just being truthful, but I certainly can understand now where Sheldon gets his mean streak and tendency to insult others from.   That Sheldon caught on to the fact that his mother was indirectly insulting Amy, too, shocked me to no end.  What Mary did tonight was show that she is a Christian who is perfectly capable and fine with deviating from her own values when it suits her to do so.    At first, I think Sheldon was upset that he didn't get to utilize the counter arguments he had rehearsed in response to the Bible lecture he expected, but I genuinely think he was truly hurt by what his mother thought of him.

....and that is what ticked me off about the episode tonight.   Instead of giving Sheldon an opportunity to show his mom how much he has grown since living with Amy, TPTB put Sheldon in probably the least mature setting I've ever seen him in.   I did not find it humorous at all to see him coming out of his room with tidy whities and flippers talking through the darn fly.   Furthermore, if I were in Amy's position, I'd be rethinking the sex appeal that I find in the man and be considering Mary's comments about his "specialness" and if I really want to be a part of it.   Come on!  They just had a wonderful birthday redo showing Sheldon being the man Amy has always wanted, and then they do this?   

The conversation in the car was a welcome break from the shenanigans.   I appreciated Sheldon calling Amy his "mate," and he made some very good points.    Amy calling out that they both have short comings, and Sheldon's inability to read feelings was spot on.  Sheldon does need to take some interest in her family, and I do believe Amy would appreciate it if he did go behind her back and stirred things up sometimes, if only to show how much he cares.   Nonetheless, her expressions were absent of an apology but a means to attempt to justify her actions.   Sheldon has gotten better about apologizing.   I want Amy to apologize more for when she messes up.

...and therein lies the problem for me, and I've made mention of this in the past.   To me, Amy comes across sometimes as if her stuff don't stink and Sheldon is lucky to have her because she puts up with him.  I hated it during her discussions with Meemaw, and I hated it tonight.   The fact the writers threw Mary's comments in to reaffirm that she is shocked Sheldon is mated to a woman due to his difficulties, when apparently she came into existence as a result of a similar relationship between her own mother and father just makes my blood boil.   

When I compare what I saw in Mary tonight and what I saw in Meemaw, I think I'm on Meemaw's side.   At least Meemaw supports her moonpie, because she was married to a man her grandson takes after in his behavior.    To her, it's not about Sheldon having a girl, but one who is right for him.

So, my question is, does Mary really like Amy, or is she just accepting her because she is so elated Sheldon has a girl?

Please, my fellow Shamies, don't hate me.   I still ship Shamy, but in this one area, my blood boils all over with disappointed expectations.  I would have liked to have seen an episode where Mary and Amy bond over their love for Sheldon, talking about his gifts, learning a tidbit about Amy's family, seeing some affectionate hand holding between Shamy in front of Mary, etc.    I hated the opportunity was used to call into question why Sheldon is even in a relationship at all, other than his girlfriend is weird and is skilled in "trickery" so she can tolerate him.

I respect your thoughtful post.  I do understand what you are saying in the last paragraph.  It made me think more carefully.  Thank you.

 

[Tenji]

Did Sheldon press charges? When Sheldon committed battery on Amy was that legal?

Battery!? That was not an act of battery whatever way you look at it. It wasn't harmful. It wasn't injury-inducing. It was a playful smack on the behind that she liked. If it were a slap across the face etc... I would get your point.

[kimbee73]

3 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

I hated when Sheldon smacked  Amy. Sheldon was wrong for thinking that hitting her was acceptable punishment but Amy was also wrong for lying and manipulating him into spanking her. When 2 people are doing something sexual both need to be aware of it. In the spanking, Sheldon was unaware that it was sexual.

Would you be okay,  if genders were reversed and it was a man who was lying and manipulating a woman to touch him inappropritely , shower him, without her realizing what was happening like it was done in the spanking episode ?

sheldon was wrong to think physically hitting her was acceptable punishment, but it was also unethical on Amy’s part to engage in something sexual with Sheldon, without Sheldon's consent . I think both were wrong.  

But it was probably the only way for Amy to get intimacy from Sheldon and was done for laughs so I don't mind,  but it is not my favorite scene.

The spanking was consented on both for whatever reason.

The spank that is in question is the one in the Thanksgiving episode when Sheldon smacked her after telling her to get a beer. She had a big smile on her face then too.

 

[Chrismo]

23 minutes ago, Tenji said:

Battery!? That was not an act of battery whatever way you look at it. It wasn't harmful. It wasn't injury-inducing. It was a playful smack on the behind that she liked. If it were a slap across the face etc... I would get your point.

Just because Amy liked it doesn't excuse it. So your okay with the juice since Sheldon didn't complain about drinking it?

[kimbee73]

18 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Just because Amy liked it doesn't excuse it. So your okay with the juice since Sheldon didn't complain about drinking it?

Okay I am going to say this.

Sheldon's slap on the rear was sexist and inappropriate. I personally don't think it was illegal.

Sheldon did say the juice was weird tasting and made faces throughout every time it was mentioned that didn't look as though he was happy.

The part I most thought he was annoyed was how Amy got him in the car. I think it took a while for him to realize that she had drugged him. And all I am going to say is I think it could have been done differently.

He needs to start acting more like an adult to be treated like an adult but I thought Amy was the one defending him to Meemaw about not being a child then she goes and does things like this that make me think she doesn't think he is a grown up.

 

[Chrismo]

10 minutes ago, kimbee73 said:

Okay I am going to say this.

Sheldon's slap on the rear was sexist and inappropriate. I personally don't think it was illegal.

Sheldon did say the juice was weird tasting and made faces throughout every time it was mentioned that didn't look as though he was happy.

The part I most thought he was annoyed was how Amy got him in the car. I think it took a while for him to realize that she had drugged him. And all I am going to say is I think it could have been done differently.

He needs to start acting more like an adult to be treated like an adult but I thought Amy was the one defending him to Meemaw about not being a child then she goes and does things like this that make me think she doesn't think he is a grown up.

 

1. Okay

2. Okay. Though he didn't get upset over this.

3. Just as you laughed at the spanking I laughed how she got him to the car.

4. How can Amy think he's a grown up when he puts his underwear on his head?

[Tenji]

Just because Amy liked it doesn't excuse it. So your okay with the juice since Sheldon didn't complain about drinking it?

Why doesn't it excuse it? It was harmless. It'd be another thing if he did that to a woman he didn't know or wasn't in a relationship with. But playfully swotting your girlfriend on the behind is certainly not criminal battery.

As for the whole 'juice' thing, I really don't mind about any of these things as it's just a comedy and quite removed from real life. Thinking about it realistically she couldn't have drugged him because that suggests she would have had to carry him off of the aeroplane etc... It's just a joke.

[serena_1995]

7 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

1. Okay

2. Okay. Though he didn't get upset over this.

3. Just as you laughed at the spanking I laughed how she got him to the car.

4. How can Amy think he's a grown up when he puts his underwear on his head?

I may be wrong but i think Amy was drugging Sheldon was before he put underwear on his head, so i can't use that as a justification for her behavior. 

 Penny also  spiked Sheldon’s drink in Grasshopper Experiment  .  Penny  gave Sheldon long Island iced tea , a strong alcoholic beverage(which has vodka, gin etc), when he literally thought he was going to be drinking actual tea.  I guess this sort of joke is nothing new about tbbt. It is probably done for comedy but is not my favorite kind of joke. 

[Chrismo]

10 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

I may be wrong but i think Amy was drugging Sheldon was before he put underwear on his head, so i can't use that as a justification for her behavior. 

 Penny also  spiked Sheldon’s drink in Grasshopper Experiment  .  Penny  gave Sheldon long Island iced tea , a strong alcoholic beverage(which has vodka, gin etc), when he literally thought he was going to be drinking actual tea.  I guess this sort of joke is nothing new about tbbt. It is probably done for comedy but is not my favorite kind of joke. 

My point about the underwear was he wants to be treated like an adult but then doesn't act like one. You are correct Amy did drug Sheldon before the underwear.

[BigBang15]

Someone upstream was complaining that Amy drugged Sheldon and took him across state lines against his will. That is NOT what happened. They were going to Texas to visit Mary. She just gave him something to keep him calm during the trip.

 

And they used to do this to BA every week and everyone laughed

 

 

[luminous]

 

[Tensor]

1 hour ago, serena_1995 said:

Penny also  spiked Sheldon’s drink in Grasshopper Experiment  .  Penny  gave Sheldon long Island iced tea , a strong alcoholic beverage(which has vodka, gin etc), when he literally thought he was going to be drinking actual tea.  I guess this sort of joke is nothing new about tbbt. It is probably done for comedy but is not my favorite kind of joke. 

To be fair to Penny, she did try to tell him to slow down, with the LI Iced tea, but he didn't listen to her.   But you are right about this being nothing new.  Bernadette talked about drugging Howard, Howard drugged Sheldon, Howard drugged his mother, so unless there were complaints about those, I don't see how there can be complaints about this.  

[serena_1995]

10 minutes ago, Tensor said:

To be fair to Penny, she did try to tell him to slow down, with the LI Iced tea, but he didn't listen to her.   But you are right about this being nothing new.  Bernadette talked about drugging Howard, Howard drugged Sheldon, Howard drugged his mother, so unless there were complaints about those, I don't see how there can be complaints about this.  

Jmo but I personally think, all of those instances were wrong and disturbing , and i do have complaints about them(if i didnt voice them, i should have), just like i have complaints about Amy drugging Sheldon here.  But to each their own.