[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

But I'd rather have Lenny ask them for relationship advice than Sheldon. Always.

But here's the thing: They never asked Sheldon for relationship advice. They asked Sheldon to help them write a relationship agreement on their behalf. Two different things.

I can totally see why they wouldn't go to Howard and Bernadette for anything marriage related.

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, FileXxX said:

Right.

Right, they're having some issues, just like any other married couple at some point. It's basically the same thing I said earlier. I didn't "admit" anything.

 

Married couples don't Resolve fights in this way. It  should of been a burden gone when Sheldon moved out its actually gotten worse. Most married couples communicate these issues to one another. They don't need a friend to write an agreement for them . I know of no married couples that have an RA. Lenny aren't acting like a any other married couple.

[No Regrets]

1 minute ago, FileXxX said:

But here's the thing: They never asked Sheldon for relationship advice. They asked Sheldon to help them write a relationship agreement on their behalf. Two different things.

Here's another thing: why not sit down and talk instead? Or why not simply write it down themselves if they feel they have to? I'm tired of having Sheldon shoe-horned into this relationship. Especially if it makes Leonard and Penny look like they're relationship virgins. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Lenny aren't acting like a any other married couple.

To me they're acting like a very real, very normal married couple.

1 minute ago, No Regrets said:

Here's another thing: why not sit down and talk instead?

They did. They decided to try out a relationship agreement. You should probably re-read the taping report.

[No Regrets]

4 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

To me they're acting like a very real, very normal married couple.

They did. They decided to try out a relationship agreement. You should probably re-read the taping report.

I have, thankyouverymuch. What I meant was, why not just talk about it, period? Why this freaking relationship agreement that they used to make fun of all the time ? If you're able to enjoy this, that's awesome. If you like the way Lenny are written, that's awesome. But lots of people on here don't and that's OK also. So let's just agree to disagree because nothing will change my mind about how utterly ridiculous and OOC this is.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, No Regrets said:

If you're able to enjoy this, that's awesome.

How would I know if I'm able to enjoy this? I have yet to see the relationship agreement in effect. So far they haven't done anything about it. But I'll definitely not grab my pitchfork for no reason. I'll give it a chance and see how it goes.

5 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

So let's just agree to disagree because nothing will change my mind about how utterly ridiculous and OOC this is.

Okay.

[veejay]

5 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

I have, thankyouverymuch. What I meant was, why not just talk about it, period? Why this freaking relationship agreement that they used to make fun of all the time ? If you're able to enjoy this, that's awesome. If you like the way Lenny are written, that's awesome. But lots of people on here don't and that's OK also. So let's just agree to disagree because nothing will change my mind about how utterly ridiculous and OOC this is.

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

Why do they need him to write it down?   Are Leonard and Penny incapable of doing it themselves?  I guess they must be.   I suppose they could just talk about what they think might work.  Oh, no, can't do that.  

It's better to involve someone else, who is a non-professional in your relationship, than work it out yourself.  But I understand it.  Sheldon is now the guy that can fix relationships.  He's a relationship guru.  All you need is give him your ideas and have him write it up for you.   

...cause Leonard has more fun in Sheldon's nightmares than in real life.... 

(Makes no sense but I had to say it anyway)
 

[3ku11]

Nor Leonard or Penny were ever aware of that dreams existence 

[Guest]

Just now, 3ku11 said:

Nor Leonard or Penny were ever aware of that dreams existence 

Leonard and the other guys are.

[No Regrets]

1 minute ago, FileXxX said:

How would I know if I'm able to enjoy this? I have yet to see the relationship agreement in effect. So far they haven't done anything about it. But I'll definitely not grab my pitchfork for no reason. I'll give it a chance and see how it goes.

Well, for me it's kinda like Trump as president. I don't actually have to see him in office to know what a complete disaster that's going to be.

[djsurrey]

11 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Nor Leonard or Penny were ever aware of that dreams existence 

well...
 

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Okay, last question. The chaps he was wearing... assless?

Can we just focus on the decision I'm facing?

We can, but for the record, all chaps are assless.

Gentlemen, please, this is a significant decision. Now, do Amy and I continue living together? Or do I move back in with Leonard?

Over my assless chaps you will.

...or in other words don't move back in -- just write a RA for us so we can complain about you and forget our issues with each other without actually having you live with us.

Edited January 13, 2017 by djsurrey

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, FileXxX said:

But isn't Amy's line "I have to laugh, it's in our agreement" proof that they still have a relationship agreement? I remember people stating they don't, even though it was never made clear.

Also, in my mind, they go to Sheldon for this agreement because Sheldon likes writing stuff down and he's actually really good at it. I can't for the life of me imagine that they go to Sheldon because he knows what's good for their relationship. LOL. They might have some issues but they're certainly not idiots. 

True. We don't know for certain one way or the other that it's the old Relationship Agreement Shamy has. In Viewing Party it was pretty much spoken of as if it were a thing of the past. They may have redrawn it at some point of course.  As I've mentioned in the Lenny thread, it could be another type of agreement. Assuming it's not a throwaway line of Amy's to make Lenny feel better,how about a  Cohabitation Agreement drawn up after they fell out over things like  the bathroom schedule ? Considering the bickering and quarrelling when they first moved in together, or after Sheldon's idea of bringing a child into the world to live in shoebox 4B, it might have seemed like a good idea for keeping the peace to draw something up and calm Sheldon down.

In the absence of marriage vows it probably helps them to know where they stand. Amy's not promised in public to be bonair and buxom in bed and board nor to obey him in all things lawful, so agreeing to laugh at his jokes seems reasonable ; Sheldon's not endowed her with all his worldly goods nor vowed to cherish her (something he's only been doing recently and been very neglectful of in the past ) and he made it clear 'keeping only unto her' was something he intended to flout if only for the time it took to eat an ice cream so Shamy being Shamy they could have decided they need something to go on and codify their mutual expectations.

[3ku11]

Or they could be grown ups, sit down and discuss their issues. Radical thinking!

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Well, for me it's kinda like Trump as president. I don't actually have to see him in office to know what a complete disaster that's going to be.

That's one way to look at it, but I prefer to wait and see what happens. Let's just remember that we're talking about an episode we haven't even seen yet.

5 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Or they could be grown ups, sit down and discuss their issues. Radical thinking!

They did. From the taping report:

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We then see Shamy leave the hotel room to let Lenny talk it out and there is some running joke about Amy bringing back mini bottles of alcohol so Sheldon knows what it's like to drink like Godzilla. Sheldon suggests the hit up the mini bar to do that now that he's there.

 

[john2p]

24 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

well...
 

...or in other words don't move back in -- just write a RA for us so we can complain about you and forget our issues with each other without actually having you live with us.

I liked that conversation very much. Obviously I didn't know it would lead to a RA for Lenny, which taste for now bittersweet. But maybe things will turn out for the benefit of them. Meanwhile season 10 is really confusing for me as a Lenny. Where it started very sweet with the marriage: the very proud acknowledgement and statement by Penny to Bert she is happily married with Leonard waving with the ring, going to the Comic Con, little dance, it 's going fast downhill. Where I do get it is hard for the writers to keep a consistent line in the context of will there be a season 11/12 or 10 will be the end, I really don't know how they write Lenny. Shamy is pretty clear to me. And is believable to write a happy end for this season or creating openings for the next one or two seasons. Where Lenny only stucks and badly enough went from happily married to a marriage into trouble within for god's sake 4 months. Than some people reffered to the beginning of season 6 where Penny also had some doubts and complaints about her relationship with Lenny. But that was paradoxically from the pov that she was stabile and happy. Some things she didn't know of in her previous relationship. Her doubts were imo coming from not aware about what gold and fortune she actually had in front of her. And it was very quick resolved with the Higgs Boson episode leading to The Hollograpic Episode (Thank god for this one  ). In that context I don't see much parallels only Penny is complaining. But the background is very different. Where the first comes from realizing how happy and lucky she actually is (a statement she emphasized during their renewal at the beginning of season 10). She is now unhappy and complaining. Which is believable how Leonard suddenly behaves. But not believable to me at where he is coming from. It is really throwing him under the bus. And NOT by Penny, but by the writers. Where he had his flaws, his unrelentless efforts to get Penny was a big driving force. Anyhow, I have to wait to see the actual story to draw a conclusion. But season 10 is a questionmark to me about Lenny.

Edited January 13, 2017 by john2p

[djsurrey]

9 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Or they could be grown ups, sit down and discuss their issues. Radical thinking!

except this is Penny.

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Sheldon: All right! Fence mended, problem swept under the rug. Time to bowl! Yes, I was eavesdropping, there’s a lot at stake here.

Scene: The bowling alley.

Just meaning Penny is more of a doer than a talker.

Edited January 13, 2017 by djsurrey

[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

I have, thankyouverymuch. What I meant was, why not just talk about it, period? Why this freaking relationship agreement that they used to make fun of all the time ? If you're able to enjoy this, that's awesome. If you like the way Lenny are written, that's awesome. But lots of people on here don't and that's OK also. So let's just agree to disagree because nothing will change my mind about how utterly ridiculous and OOC this is.

That's just the thing. If Lenny never made fun of the RA it would still be inconceivable they would go along with that. What made Shamy/Sheldon is the uniqueness( odd but I'm trying to be nice) of the RA. It was one of a kind. Something no other couple had or would dream of having. Couples don't have RA's. Sheldon does IMO because he needs things laid out and planned. It helps him deal with the world. He is very much into rules. Penny on the other hand is not into rules. She's more of a go with the flow kind of person. Something like an agreement would drive her nuts. She sort of went along with Sheldon's rules but found ways that could benefit her. Leonard had years of an RA. He constantly complained about the rules. Now the two of them are on their own FINALLY.  They have been on their own 7 episodes and now they want Sheldon  to help them right a RA. As mentioned married couples fight. i've  been  married 18 years I get that. Most resolve them on their own. Some go to counseling. None have an RA. It's been mentioned that Sheldon isn't coming up with the information for it he is just putting it in written form. Can't Lenny do that? If he's actually giving advice, which he has done, he would be the first to admit he doesn't always understand relationships.

Finally after writing all that I can't imagine the RA will have a long life if any life. More of a concern, and I hope it's a big nothing, is the string of fighting episodes. Some will say the fight in the last episode was nothing but instead of saying its a fight they said it was their biggest fight. Then the upcoming two episodes of them fighting make three. IMO there must be something big coming in February in regards to Lenny. Hopefully it's something positive.

9 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

 

They did. From the taping report:

 

What did the taping report say that Lenny discussed?

[JE7]

5 hours ago, Tensor said:

As far as negotiations go for contracts for the show, it will never be Lorre vs Kaley.   Warner Brothers and CBS are the entities that control the money.   Lorre wasn't involved int he last round of negotiations and his comments about those negotiations were basically that the actors deserved it.  One comment was that when he saw the actors pulling in, in their expensive German cars, he knew he had done his job.  

Be carefully man, you said Lorrie twice. If you say his name three times he will appear

Edited January 13, 2017 by JE7
As all good boogymen should

[3ku11]

15 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

That's one way to look at it, but I prefer to wait and see what happens. Let's just remember that we're talking about an episode we haven't even seen yet.

They did. From the taping report:

 

Once again that is vague. We don't know what they talk out. Most likely it is offscreen. IT does not change the fact how absurd this RA is for Lenny. Fine you disagree, but that is my opinion. And it seems the majority on this forum. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

What did the taping report say that Lenny discussed?

It says Shamy leave the room so Lenny can talk it out. Are you seriously questioning the meaning of these words? Because, unless the person who wrote the report made a mistake, and I doubt that, this line is quite transparent.

[djsurrey]

15 minutes ago, john2p said:

I liked that conversation very much. Obviously I didn't know it would lead to a RA for Lenny, which taste for now bittersweet. But maybe things will turn out for the benefit of them. Meanwhile season 10 is really confusing for me as a Lenny. Where it started very sweet with the marriage: the very proud acknowledgement and statement by Penny to Bert she is happily married with Leonard waving with the ring, going to the Comic Con, little dance, it 's going fast downhill. Where I do get it is hard for the writers to keep a consistent line in the context of will there be a season 11/12 or 10 will be the end, I really don't know how they write Lenny. Shamy is pretty clear to me. And is believable to write a happy end for this season or creating openings for the next one or two seasons. Where Lenny only stucks and badly enough went from happily married to a marriage into trouble within for god's sake 4 months. Than some people reffered to the beginning of season 6 where Penny also had some doubts and complaints about her realationship with Lenny. But that was paradoxically from the pov that she was stabile and happy. Some things she didn't know of in her previous relationship. Her doubts were imo coming from not aware about what gold and fortune she actually had in front of her. And it was very quick resolved with the Higgs Boson episode leading to The Hollograpic Episode (Thank god for this one  ). In that context I don't see much parallels only Penny is complaining. But the background is very different. Where the first comes from realizing how happy and Lucky she actually is (a statement she emphasized during their renewal at the beginning of season 10). She is now unhappy and complaining. Which is believable how Leonard suddenly behaves. But not believable to me at where he is coming from. It is really throwing him under the bus. And by Penny, but by the writers. Where he had his flaws, his unrelentless efforts to get Penny was a big driving force. Anyhow, I have to wait to see the actual story to draw a conclusion. But season 10 is a questionmark to me about Lenny.

a good fairy tale has that impossible low point where it looks like all is lost

I like the optimism in the face of unbeatable odds.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Once again that is vague. We don't know what they talk out. 

Yeah, they just had a very serious fight, I'm sure Shamy left the room so they can talk about the meaning of life.

5 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Fine you disagree, but that is my opinion.

I still don't know what your opinion is and I'll probably never find out. You express yourself in riddles.

[Chrismo]

3 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

It says Shamy leave the room so Lenny can talk it out. Are you seriously questioning the meaning of these words? Because, unless the person who wrote the report made a mistake, and I doubt that, this line is quite transparent.

I'm just interested in what Lenny exactly said since it's quite transparent. Did Penny apologize for overreacting? Did Leonard apologize for belching and promise to put more effort in their relationship?

[JE7]

57 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Well, for me it's kinda like Trump as president. I don't actually have to see him in office to know what a complete disaster that's going to be.

As a card carrying deplorable I am offended let's keep politics out of the forum please