[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I'm just interested in what Lenny exactly said since it's quite transparent. Did Penny apologize for overreacting? Did Leonard apologize for belching and promise to put more effort in their relationship?

We'll probably never find out because, as far as I know, it happens off-screen.

[veejay]

5 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

We'll probably never find out because, as far as I know, it happens off-screen.

Sorry I don’t get it. Instead of watching what the characters are doing on screen, people are getting all hung up about what they may or may not have done in the past or future. I don't know how someone can enjoy the show in those circumstances. I seriously ask myself: what does ’show‘ mean to me? Do I have to write some sort of fan fiction to enjoy a tv-comedy? I don’t think so. That would be ridiculous and a real reason to use my remote control.

[JE7]

I think this whole thing is simply a way to keep Sheldon in the middle of the Lenny relationship, TBTB can't let their marriage thrive without Sheldon. ALL good things MUST come from Sheldon.

Edited January 13, 2017 by JE7
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[3ku11]

18 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Yeah, they just had a very serious fight, I'm sure Shamy left the room so they can talk about the meaning of life.

I still don't know what your opinion is and I'll probably never find out. You express yourself in riddles.

Excuse me? Whats not to get. I Think the RA is absurd. And you disagree. ITs like talking to a wall geez. Please be respectul of other peoples opinions thank you. 

4 minutes ago, veejay said:

Sorry I don’t get it. Instead of watching what the characters are doing on screen, people are getting all hung up about what they may or may not have done in the past or future. I don't know how someone can enjoy the show in those circumstances. I seriously ask myself: what does ’show‘ mean to me? Do I have to write some sort of fan fiction to enjoy a tv-comedy? I don’t think so. That would be ridiculous and a real reason to use my remote control.

I just watch to laugh. I mean if Lenny are still together at the end of the episode. Does it really matter. No. 

[veejay]

10 minutes ago, JE7 said:

I think this whole thing is simply a way to keep Sheldon in the middle of the Lenny relationship, TBTB can't let their marriage thrive without Sheldon. ALL good things MUST come from Sheldon.

Yes, let’s put him into the broken elevator, of course on-screen.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I Think the RA is absurd. And you disagree.

You made that pretty clear, but that's not what I meant. I'll stop trying now.

[jenafan]

1 hour ago, FileXxX said:

Right, because Howard and Bernadette's marriage is flawless like a polished diamond, as we could see in episode 8.06 where they went to them for advice.

It is because Howardette's marriage is not a polished diamond of perfection that makes going to them a better choice for Lenny to confide in than Sheldon.   For one, they are married.  Six plus years, and Sheldon has yet to put a ring on Amy's finger.  For another, Howardette have weathered their storms of differences and still find time for intimacy and means to make their marriage work.  Bernie is demanding and critical but softens her blows by reminding Howard how much she loves him.  Furthermore, they have their own Sheldon to deal with in RajStuart.

Bernie and Penny are similar in that they both are demanding in their marriages.  

Howard and Lenny both deal with esteem issues due to their parentage for different reasons.  Howard is taunted by Sheldon for being an engineer.  Leonard is taunted by Sheldon for his career choices.

Howardette and Lenny have much in common they can bond over.  This to me seems like a more logical choice than Sheldon who is still learning to adjust the parameters in his own relationship to become a better partner for Amy, and it only works because Amy is as quirky as he is.  It is not because he has experience to share.

It is not Lenny asking Sheldon to help them write an RA that bothers me.  The guy is a guru at making agreements.  What astounds me is that they want an RA at all after all the times they ridiculed Shamy for theirs.  By their actions they are implying Sheldon's way of controlling parameters in a relationship is a better choice than conventional ones that have proven to be successful.  

[mirs1]

Lenny tried to ask Howard and Bernie for advise in the past about the economic aspects of their relationship, and it wasn't exactly a success. This is not to say they are right in asking Sheldon for help, because I don't think so...Actually, I think couples should solve their problems by themselves (or seek for professional help), and if I've learnt something about this show, it's that the gang is a group of very loving and well-meaning friends, but they are all terrible at giving advises over relationship issues...

Edited January 13, 2017 by mirs1

[jenafan]

1 minute ago, mirs1 said:

Lenny tried to ask Howard and Bernie for advise in the past about the economic aspects of their relationship, and it wasn't exactly a success. This is not to say they are right in asking Sheldon for help, because I don't think so...Actually, I think couples should solve their problems by themselves (or seeking for professional help), and if I've learnt something by this show, is that the gang is a group of very loving and well-meaning friends, but they are all terrible at giving advises in relationship issues...

You are right.  I forgot about that.   

At this point, I'm all for couples therapy.  Bring Dave back.   Perhaps he found his true calling.

[djsurrey]

10 minutes ago, jenafan said:

You are right.  I forgot about that.   

At this point, I'm all for couples therapy.  Bring Dave back.   Perhaps he found his true calling.

I don't think it will help Lenny to hear Dave gush about Sheldon.

[spidergirl]

Each couple has their own dynamic in their relationship and what works for one, it doesnt mean it works for another. About experience, I think Penny is who had at least a few relationships in her baggage  for she could see what would work better or worse with Leonard, but each relationship  is different from earlier others a person might have so she is not an expert either about giving advices. The guys  were nerds very close in their shells, they have been learning as they involved romantically to do their  best with their partners and they are also learning yet to interact their best with each others .I would like to see each couple handling with their issues for their own or with a specialist about that. Friends are helpful but in advices about relationships they sometimes may be not the the best advices givers for they tend to use their own relationship experience  for that.

Edited January 13, 2017 by spidergirl

[hokie3457]

2 hours ago, JE7 said:

Be carefully man, you said Lorrie twice. If you say his name three times he will appear

Hahahahahaha! I really needed this laugh!!!

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

I don't think it will help Lenny to hear Dave gush about Sheldon.

Ahhh, you forget how impressed Dave was to meet Leonard! I suspect he would gush equally over Dr Hofstadter. We saw him gushing over that other guy because he found he was dating his ex.  I think Dave I'd a "scientist groupie"!

[legacy99]

I guess what we're all forgetting is if sheldon gets evolved in saving Lenny's marriage lenny will be ok because sheldon never fails at anything then he can explain to them the proper way to have sex and how often

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[Chrismo]

3 hours ago, FileXxX said:

We'll probably never find out because, as far as I know, it happens off-screen.

That was my point. I get you can't show everything on screen but it seems whatever's was discussed  it didn't prevent an argument in the following episode. It also doesn't help the image they don't communicate.

[CaffeineBuzz]

8 hours ago, FileXxX said:

But isn't Amy's line "I have to laugh, it's in our agreement" proof that they still have a relationship agreement? I remember people stating they don't, even though it was never made clear.

Also, in my mind, they go to Sheldon for this agreement because Sheldon likes writing stuff down and he's actually really good at it. I can't for the life of me imagine that they go to Sheldon because he knows what's good for their relationship. LOL. They might have some issues but they're certainly not idiots. 

When they get to the scene where they're writing up the contract, its clear that Lenny just told Sheldon what they'd like in there and he just guided them in making sure they covered all the possible bases.  Sheldon (except for wording a couple of items in his own goofy way) didn't decide any of what was in the contract for them.  The content of the Lenny relationship agreement was all decided by Lenny.  They asked Sheldon to write it purely cause he has experience writing this kind of thing.

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, CaffeineBuzz said:

When they get to the scene where they're writing up the contract, its clear that Lenny just told Sheldon what they'd like in there and he just guided them in making sure they covered all the possible bases.  Sheldon (except for wording a couple of items in his own goofy way) didn't decide any of what was in the contract for them.  The content of the Lenny relationship agreement was all decided by Lenny.  They asked Sheldon to write it purely cause he has experience writing this kind of thing.

So there no actual discussion or no actual wording of the agreement that is seen on screen?

[CaffeineBuzz]

6 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

So there no actual discussion or no actual wording of the agreement that is seen on screen?

Except for an item or two here and there, nope they don't really dive into the content.  They list off a couple of items in there to give you an idea and those items are very much Lenny centric (example one of them is that Leonard will restrict his video gaming time to times when Penny is not home, then they also listed one for Penny but I can't remember what it was).  There's no weird Shamy-esque stuff if that's what anyone is worried about.  And zero mention of the agreement in the following episode.

Whatever else is in there, Sheldon asks them to read it all over and make sure its what they both want in there, and both of them sign quite happily.

Edited January 13, 2017 by CaffeineBuzz

[Tensor]

1 hour ago, CaffeineBuzz said:

When they get to the scene where they're writing up the contract, its clear that Lenny just told Sheldon what they'd like in there and he just guided them in making sure they covered all the possible bases.  Sheldon (except for wording a couple of items in his own goofy way) didn't decide any of what was in the contract for them.  The content of the Lenny relationship agreement was all decided by Lenny.  They asked Sheldon to write it purely cause he has experience writing this kind of thing.

Right.   It's quite clear that Leonard and Penny are just too damn stupid to write anything down and discuss it on their own.  It would involve using pen or pencil and a piece paper.  Or having to use one of those new fangled computer things.  Obviously they have to have Sheldon come in to do that for them.   

Just now, CaffeineBuzz said:

Except for an item or two here and there, nope they don't really dive into the content.  They list off a couple of items in there to give you an idea and those items are very much Lenny centric (example one of them is that Leonard will restrict his video gaming time to times when Penny is not home, then they also listed one for Penny but I can't remember what it was).  There's no weird Shamy-esque stuff if that's what anyone is worried about.  And zero mention of the agreement in the following episode.

The fact that they are writing it down( and having Sheldon do it for them) is weird Shamy-segue stuff.  It's the fact of the RA, and the the fact they go to Sheldon that bothers me, not the content. 

[Chrismo]

5 minutes ago, CaffeineBuzz said:

Except for an item or two here and there, nope they don't really dive into the content.  They list off a couple of items in there to give you an idea and those items are very much Lenny centric (example one of them is that Leonard will restrict his video gaming time to times when Penny is not home, then they also listed one for Penny but I can't remember what it was).  There's no weird Shamy-esque stuff if that's what anyone is worried about.  And zero mention of the agreement in the following episode.

Whatever else is in there, Sheldon asks them to read it all over and make sure its what they both want in there, and both of them sign quite happily.

The thing is that Priya proved that Sheldon isn't the best at writing Agreements. Also it appears the Agreement is already not working by the next episode.

[CaffeineBuzz]

11 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Right.   It's quite clear that Leonard and Penny are just too damn stupid to write anything down and discuss it on their own.  It would involve using pen or pencil and a piece paper.  Or having to use one of those new fangled computer things.  Obviously they have to have Sheldon come in to do that for them.   

The fact that they are writing it down( and having Sheldon do it for them) is weird Shamy-segue stuff.  It's the fact of the RA, and the the fact they go to Sheldon that bothers me, not the content. 

Yeah I get that.  The RA stuff has always been a Shamy thing so I can see where you're coming from on that.  I hope it will seem less OOC when you see it play on screen.  From my perspective, it played more as they are trying to figure out how to better communicate their needs to each other and they figured they'd try this to see if it helps.  I can't remember which poster mentioned this but I think they are adjusting to living as a married couple without the Sheldon presence in the mix.  Cause I do think, whether they realize it or not, they both have used Sheldon's presence in their bubble as a distraction to keep from working on their communication as a couple in the past.  It really is like parents who suddenly have an empty nest.  They're going through a period of adjustment which I think most couples go through at some point when the honeymoon phase is over.  That weirdo Christopher Lloyd character said it too - they are entering a different phase in their relationship.   If it makes you feel any better, although they do ask Sheldon to help them set it up, they do so reluctantly.  In fact its Penny who says it best by prefacing the ask with "I can't believe I'm saying this but...."

And yeah there is zero mention of it by the next episode so who knows if you'll ever hear about the Lenny RA again.

Edited January 13, 2017 by CaffeineBuzz

[No Regrets]

6 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Right.   It's quite clear that Leonard and Penny are just too damn stupid to write anything down and discuss it on their own.  It would involve using pen or pencil and a piece paper.  Or having to use one of those new fangled computer things.  Obviously they have to have Sheldon come in to do that for them.   

The fact that they are writing it down( and having Sheldon do it for them) is weird Shamy-segue stuff.  It's the fact of the RA, and the the fact they go to Sheldon that bothers me, not the content. 

Exactly. It's the fact that these writers insert Sheldon into Lenny's relationship over and over and OVER for absolutely no reason at all that bothers me. Oh, they think it's funny - sure - except that this Lenny fan doesn't think it's funny at all. It's gotten just plain irritating and repetitive. 

And actually the content bothers me too in the sense that it's written down. I can't stress enough how unbelievably unromantic and formal this is. I can't think of anything worse than Penny whipping out the RA and going, "See honey? SEE?? The RA states that you must take me out on a date tonight!" This stuff works for Shamy because Shamy are just different, but that's not Lenny. It never was and I just cannot see how that's supposed to be believable given what we've learned about Leonard and Penny for the past 10 years. I just can't get on board with this. 

[veejay]

47 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Exactly. It's the fact that these writers insert Sheldon into Lenny's relationship over and over and OVER for absolutely no reason at all that bothers me. Oh, they think it's funny - sure - except that this Lenny fan doesn't think it's funny at all. It's gotten just plain irritating and repetitive. 

And actually the content bothers me too in the sense that it's written down. I can't stress enough how unbelievably unromantic and formal this is. I can't think of anything worse than Penny whipping out the RA and going, "See honey? SEE?? The RA states that you must take me out on a date tonight!" This stuff works for Shamy because Shamy are just different, but that's not Lenny. It never was and I just cannot see how that's supposed to be believable given what we've learned about Leonard and Penny for the past 10 years. I just can't get on board with this. 

Absolutely agree!

This should be a more frequent question to the writers.

[Chrismo]

14 minutes ago, veejay said:

Absolutely agree!

This should be a more frequent question to the writers.

Especially since the RA appears to be already ignored by the next episode. What's the point of the storyline?

Edited January 13, 2017 by Chrismo

[veejay]

4 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Especially since the RA appears to be already ignored by the next episode. What's the point of the storyline?

Continuity has always been a problem on this show.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CaffeineBuzz said:

They list off a couple of items in there to give you an idea and those items are very much Lenny centric (example one of them is that Leonard will restrict his video gaming time to times when Penny is not home, then they also listed one for Penny but I can't remember what it was).  There's no weird Shamy-esque stuff.

That makes such a difference. Thanks for the additional info. This is exactly what I imagined them to have written in their agreement.