[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Tonstar17]

Probably the only way to get more seasons is to cut costs and the best way to do it is to get rid of 1 or 2 of the main characters. They can then promote Amy to main and move back into 4a. Tptb are majorly going out their way to show how much happy Shamy are and doing the same to show how unhealthy the lenny relationship is. Looks like they knew they couldn't get away with 4 episodes in a row of lenny fighting and as they can't write anything good for lenny. We get this one without them. Simple way not to write them and sweep all the other issues that has not been resolved under the carpet until their next fight and then create more drama that tptb will not follow through. They just have to show them fine at the end of the episode, and all is good.

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[Chrismo]

20 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

I disagree. My guess is simply that she's just feeling pressured to buy a house and start a fam, now that Howard and Bernadette do the same, just because she's married. But at the same time, she knows neither of them is ready to take these steps. And the girls make her appreciate what she already has. Sometimes people need a little heads up. We'll see how it turns out, but I don't think it's a big deal.

In any case, it's not even a tiny bit of the armageddon people were expecting last night.

 

Could be, yeah, although a little early.

Self imposed pressure. Why aren't they ready to take the next step? But was it a positive Lenny episode?

[Tensor]

I'm sure glad that awesome RA helped Lenny renew the romance.  We haven't heard Penny complaining about Leonard not trying for two episodes.  Obviously, it's solved their romance problem. 

[john2p]

5 hours ago, Jonny said:

A marriage break or separation would be a really heavy subject which I don't see them doing. It's easy in a show to break up boyfriend and girlfriend for a while but a marriage? Nah I don't see it not in this show. I know one could argue it would be addressing a real life issue that does happen to couples, but I sincerely hope they don't go down that route as it wouldn't be right for this show even though their courtship at times has been volatile.

Lorre should be saving the heavier stuff like that for his Mom show.

Maybe I can throw up some thoughts, to make this rollercoaster another big twist and turn. My first thought, why is Chuck suddenly come in as a writer? I think he saw and thought Lenny is too much on a cruise control, too much in their comfort zone. And everyone who knows his previous work, he doesn´t like that and he certainly wants to heat up the fire for the sake of comedy, for the sake of the tv ratings. I think he wants a re-do of the Shamy anxiety at the end of season 8 and half way through season 9 to get a climax like Shamy had with the coitus. Of course this won´t work with Lenny, becuase they had a lot of coitus, but in analogy, Chuck is the man who can force a (periodical) break for Lenny, to bring them back ultimately in the last episode. Johnny and Kaley often makes jokes that they really don´t know if the writers let Penny and Leonard divorce or not. And sure it´s all jokes, but it´s also shows the underlying dynamics of their relationship: everything can happen (for the best and for the worst). 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Self imposed pressure. Why aren't they ready to take the next step? But was it a positive Lenny episode?

Of course it is self-imposed pressure. Nobody is putting that pressure on her. She sees Howard and Bernadette and thinks she needs to have that too as soon as possible. Well, that's how it looks like from my perspective. 

Was it a negative Lenny episode? She didn't say anything against Leonard at all. They didn't even interact with each other.

Btw, does anyone even care about the fact that Halley's parents are basically Stuart and Raj, and that Bernadette doesn't trust Howard enough to handle the baby when something goes wrong? I bet if Leonard and Penny were in their place, this board would be on fire. But it's just Howard and Bernadette, so it's totally fine.

[Etienne]

51 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Oh boy, I can't wait.   The fourth episode in a row with an unhappy Penny.   This is what I want to see.  You writers are doing such a great job.  

If I remember correctly, the rumor was the season 3 breakup was due to the need to stretch out the Lenny storyline because they got a new 3 year contract.  Maybe this is insurance that if the show is renewed for 2 -2 1/2 season, Lenny can separate  and spend the new two years talking past each other (it was hilarious the first time).  They get to reconcile, or not, in the final 3 minutes of the C storyline in the last episode.

[April]

5 minutes ago, john2p said:

My first thought, why is Chuck suddenly come in as a writer?

There's nothing sudden about that. He's got plenty of "Story by" credits this season, not to mention that because of the way TBBT is written the credits are meaningless anyway.

[joyceraye]

If Penny really is discontented, since she's making more money than the scientists, why doesn't she buy herself what she wants ?

[Chrismo]

I think there's a bit of an overreaction from both directions. Don't think there is any positives in regarding Lenny right now but don't think the end of Lenny is happening either. The mistake the writers made IMO is Thursdays episode. It gives off Lenny negativity because it links two episodes that have nothing to do with one another and an already forgotten RA. I think the girls story is a fall back position depending on contracts. If season 11 happens you certainly won't see Penny pregnant and no matter what you won't see Lenny moved. A shamy engagement  is possible but that can be milked awhile. This taping shows Penny can't figure out life. On one hand she wants to go dancing which at this point that ship had sailed. Then within minutes she's upset she doesn't have a baby and house. I can't believe i m saying this but a Shamy engagement might be the final straw to motivate Penny to grow up

[BigBang15]

disagree.... Howardette has FAR been written off... I'll give you Raj has had nothing, but every week Howardette has a plot.

That was sarcastic


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[SRAM]

i can't help think, Jim wants more money for another season, Kaley and Johnny want as much as Jim, Mayim wants more since her character is a main character now, also everybody else wants a raise too.  How do you get more salary money and keep the show profitable, get rid of characters, Leonard and Penny being gone would provide 2 million more in salary for everyone else.  They have been overshadowed by Sheldon already and he is now the only tier one character in the show, so getting rid of them will not hurt the show TPTB probably could rationalize.

[heres2U]

FYI rent in Los Angeles and Pasadena runs about $2600 for a one bedroom apartment. A two bedroom is closer to $3000 per month.  To buy a dumpy little house in a bad area would be around $700,000 and up. Lucky for Howard that he inherited his mom's house.  Penny and Leonard probably can't really afford to buy a house IRL

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Penny's clearly lacking fulfillment in aspects of her life though. 

Obviously, but this has been going on for seasons and nobody knows what it is. The writing is just all over the place.

1 minute ago, heres2U said:

FYI rent in Los Angeles and Pasadena runs about $2600 for a one bedroom apartment. A two bedroom is closer to $3000 per month.  To buy a dumpy little house in a bad area would be around $700,000 and up. Lucky for Howard that he inherited his mom's house.  Penny and Leonard probably can't really afford to buy a house IRL

Good point.

[john2p]

7 minutes ago, April said:

There's nothing sudden about that. He's got plenty of "Story by" credits this season, not to mention that because of the way TBBT is written the credits are meaningless anyway.

You are right, it´s because of my bad knowledge of the English language. I meant,  where Chuck ´s comes in, in the storyline, I meant his influence on the stories. Sure I don´t know that. But I have wacthed a lot of his programs, and he has the thing to "suddenly" create some kind of a drama in a comedy. I guess it´s his humor.

[Chrismo]

16 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

 

Was it a negative Lenny episode? She didn't say anything against Leonard at all. They didn't even interact with each other.

 

But was it a positive Lenny episode? She seemed to be complaining about her life and at a minimum wasn't happy. Since she seemed to want a baby and didn't have a house. That would seem to involve Leonard. 

[joyceraye]

6 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Of course it is self-imposed pressure. Nobody is putting that pressure on her. She sees Howard and Bernadette and thinks she needs to have that too as soon as possible. Well, that's how it looks like from my perspective. 

Was it a negative Lenny episode? She didn't say anything against Leonard at all. They didn't even interact with each other.

Btw, does anyone even care about the fact that Halley's parents are basically Stuart and Raj, and that Bernadette doesn't trust Howard enough to handle the baby when something goes wrong? I bet if Leonard and Penny were in their place, this board would be on fire. But it's just Howard and Bernadette, so it's totally fine.

When my godchildren were babies I was an auxiliary parent like Raj and Stuart. It is exhausting and time-consuming for only two parents - one in practice if the other is a main breadwinner. Babies need stimulating and entertaining as well as feeding and cleaning. As many pairs of hands as are available they need in the early days, ( so long as babies know who's who ). Stuart and Raj sitting-in doesn't bother me because it's obvious Halley's getting Bernie's attention if Bernie needs taking out of the house. The worry to me is that Howard is supposed to be the main carer, or at least the one at home with Halley when Bernie goes back to work, but Bernie doesn't want him called upon. Doesn't she trust him ? I wonder if we'll get the answer another week ?

[Jonny]

Actually I don't think Penny not knowing what she wants is at all out of character for her, she has always been like that especially before she was married. For example I remember vaguely that conversation a few seasons back when she said to Leonard she imagines a lot of things like getting married or breaking up (can't remember the exact episode or quote but at the time it was quite striking she would have said that as they seemed happy, iirc they were walking up or down the stairs).

But to come out with stuff like that now? I guess I just need to know what has triggered this, what is the root cause? If Penny is having a crisis then fine, but the writers need to show us why! The last time I was this confused about her character was in 9.12 when she was talking to Dr Gallo and she was intimating that she missed when life was so much simpler.

Edited January 18, 2017 by Jonny

[Chrismo]

13 minutes ago, heres2U said:

FYI rent in Los Angeles and Pasadena runs about $2600 for a one bedroom apartment. A two bedroom is closer to $3000 per month.  To buy a dumpy little house in a bad area would be around $700,000 and up. Lucky for Howard that he inherited his mom's house.  Penny and Leonard probably can't really afford to buy a house IRL

Penny lived by herself for eight years in an apartment they can probably afford that $700,000 house

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But was it a positive Lenny episode? She seemed to be complaining about her life and at a minimum wasn't happy. Since she seemed to want a baby and didn't have a house. That would seem to involve Leonard. 

Well, I would certainly not say it was negative in any way.

6 minutes ago, Jonny said:

The last time I was this confused about her character was in 9.12 when she was talking to Dr Gallo and she was intimating that she missed when life was so much simpler.

And it's still unclear what exactly she was talking about, and we'll most likely never find out. That was one of the few episode of season nine that felt totally out of place. Leonard is probably right, she's an enigma. 

[3ku11]

The thing is it was this time last season Lenny were exactly where they are now. Penny was having some mid life crisis. The DR Gallo Episode. She is drowning in debt. Suggestions of unfulfuilment. Penny not knowing what she wants out of her life. Which obviousley could stem from a external locus of identity. And we all speculated, problems for Lenny end of season. But then they were happy and fine. So I am not sure where the show is heading with this. IS it just typical Penny, struggling to grow up? I don't know. They need to give Penny something career wise, because this has been a major issue for Penny and the show for years. And i personally beleive is the big issue in her relationship with Leonard, and the show moving forward from it. 

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Penny lived by herself for eight years in an apartment they can probably afford that $700,000 house

Yeah its probably different now. They are married. Expenditures, their income they make e.t.c. Penny is not on her own anymore. 

[john2p]

I finally read the last TR. Honestly don´t know what to think or to say. If I summ up, than tomorrow we see the first glimpse of an unhappy Penny, because Leonard take her too much for granted. And we get that RA. Than the following episode we get a fight. And this TR speaks of a fully unhappy Penny about her life. Yes happy days will come, but if TBBT will give it to me I am not sure. 

Edited January 18, 2017 by john2p

[Vittoria Jacoel]

Good luck to TBBT for PCA![emoji4]I hope that they will win the awards!


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[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Well, I would certainly not say it was negative in any way.

 

If she was single I would agree, But since she's married to Leonard and complaining about her life. And to top it off they weren't together at all in the episode.

[spidergirl]

Tbh, I dont like how Penny has been writen this season and it is really sad to read her plotline in the last tr. She is getting to be like a shadow of herself, I mean who is that funny, determined and hearted woman? She seems she doesnt know what she wants and what she needs is a reality that she is not in. She fell in love with Leonard for his heart, for the way he was diffeent in best way from most of men she met before. Now she complains of his hobbies, of his likes , like she needs he could be another man. They were very different but had a great chemestry . What happen with them?

Sheldon was a pain in lenny's lives but after he left 4A , lenny marriage has been slightly degradate. I wonder what's the point, if they didnt do what they want because the "third"wheel. He is gone, surely it is not his fault for lenny crisis...

Leonard was not sloppy and cared so much for Penny. He also seems getting to be  shadow of himself. I dont believe they would separate or divorce, it would be killing the foundations of tbbt and it would be pure non sense in a comedy show imo. Not drama but non sense as it would be like writers were provoking a tornado in  4 A and puting down years of an outstanding job in tv shows world.

I dont know where all this is going but I am a bit worried as viewer and fan of the show. Because the show makes sense as all characters are nicely developed, not kind of destroyed after such great moments as look like  the route of lenny at the moment. Raj seems a lost cause as I can't  see anything  made by him lately without cringe myself. Howardette and shamy are doing fine but it is not enough. The others need to develop, involve, embracing new challenges as shamy and howardette have been doing this season. If the people who have been writing them are the same people who write lenny and raj, why can't all be nicely writen every week? Maybe that is the problem and some characters should be writen by people who identified more with the characters that are writing about.

I really hope the solution for all of this can be found soon, before is too late for a few wonderful characters that dont deseve to end their stories on  the show in worst way.

 

Edited January 18, 2017 by spidergirl

[3ku11]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

If she was single I would agree, But since she's married to Leonard and complaining about her life. And to top it off they weren't together at all in the episode.

But from what I read, she wasen't complaining about Leonard. Well not like she was in the previous episodes. But not knowing what she wants out of her life. Which is normal. I mean she is in her thirties. And she has no real calling or purpose. Like the rest of the characters do, or seem to do. In any case I Read the Lenny bit of the TR. But I Don't read TR anymore fully, they are too vague. I am sure this well all play out, and paint a bigger picture. 

Edited January 18, 2017 by 3ku11