[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[joyceraye]

20 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

But from what I read, she wasen't complaining about Leonard. Well not like she was in the previous episodes. But not knowing what she wants out of her life. Which is normal. I mean she is in her thirties. And she has no real calling or purpose. Like the rest of the characters do, or seem to do. 

The rest of the characters have mostly been doing the same thing since they were children or teenagers. We don't know what Raj started out doing but if he told Lucy the truth, he 'fell in love with astronomy at Cambridge' which means he went there for something else. (Perhaps pre-med )  That  must have been 15 years ago. Sheldon's changed scientific fields once and now he wants to take engines to bits. It's possible the scientists are all going to reconsider their callings and purposes considering the length of time they've all had their heads down. Wouldn't  that would be something for series 11- 13.

Edited January 18, 2017 by joyceraye

[bfm]

Reading the latest TR was actually kind of a relief for me... At the very least, I think it shows Penny is certainly not thinking about taking a break or a divorce. She is not complaining about Leonard, I won't be surprised to find out she never told him about these feelings. She is talking about buying a house and having kids with Leonard. 

Maybe, hopefully, it is like what I suggested about a week ago: the latest Lenny conflict stem from some stress not caused by their relationship in it self. It could be somewhat akin to "The Tangible Affection Proof": Penny is unclear about what she wants, keeps it to herself but acts hostile and upset. IMO it is very IC for her to keep things bottled up, we have seen this so many times. She avoids revealing her feelings thus keeping this tough image, though it sometimes ends in a little "melt-down" (e.g, telling Amy how she felt about Leonard dating Priya).   

It could be that a part of her does want to have a baby, but her insecurities, commitment issues and longing for her youth are troubling her. Again, as in "The Tangible Affection Proof". Perhaps feeling that Leonard, who was always the one to suggest moving their relationship forward, is fine with the way things are, adds to her distress. Maybe she just needs to calm down and progress at her own pace, like they did with the engagement... 

As for the house...can't understand her desire to move out when it's just the two of them and perhaps three, they have a spare room big enough for a baby...

Edited January 18, 2017 by bfm

[3ku11]

5 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

The rest of the characters have mostly been doing the same thing since they were children or teenagers. We don't know what Raj started out doing but if he told Lucy the truth, he 'fell in love with astronomy at Cambridge' which means he went there for something else. (Perhaps pre-med )  That  must have been 15 years ago. Sheldon's changed scientific fields once and now he wants to take engines to bits. It's possible the scientists are all going to reconsider their callings and purposes considering the length of time they've all had their heads down. Wouldn't  that would be something for series 11- 13.

Welll tbh they waitied too long with Penny. Hate to Reference Friends. But the writing was alot better imo. Rachel seeing Penny is always compared to Rachel, or a mix of Rachel and Joey. Quit as a waitress in Season 3, and eventually found a passion in Fashion. To me that is what Penny is lacking in her life passion. So it is now Season Ten. Is it passe now? Are we just going to have to watch unfulfilled Penny to the end now? Well they fix this? I don't see acting happening. I mean I am 28, so I can relate to Penny. I Don't have a job at present, I am not a bum LOL. Just been in between stuff. But i can realte to what Penny is going through, thank god I am not married LOL. But yeah well see where this heads. This is three episodes in a row now of unhappy Penny. But then again, like I Said, last season she was unhappy too, then suddenlly she coulden't stop smiling. I Wonder why.. She wants kids and marrage with Leonard. So I agree with the posters, saying this is actually a good TR for Lenny. IT shows her complaints are not with Leonard, but her own. 

Edited January 18, 2017 by 3ku11

[Itwasdestined]

I read all the commentary here and then went back and read the report. Interesting.

In isolation this episode in itself is not that big a deal. I thought it sounded like quite a funny episode. The girls were having one of those conversations they have from time to time in the show whinging about their relationships/life in general and Howard and Leonard were struggling to cope with Sheldon. No biggy.

But in the context of the last few weeks and the obvious feelings of the Lenny camp I can see where all the negativity is coming from.

But the Lenny roller coaster is what it is. Up. Down. Loop the loop. Screw it up. Straighten it out. Get out. Have a rest. Join the long queue (the kitchen island) doing nothing, think about better rides then hop back on. Up. Down. Loop the loop. Screw it up. Straighten it out. Come in for a landing. Repeat. The ups ( like on a roller coaster) are not as exciting to the writers as the downs, loops and corkscrews so they add them more to the story - and the long queues doing nothing - while the Lennys yearn for a happy story that is "deserved". Or a least a satisfying ending to this latest down. And Penny's envy of Bernie in this taping report seems to reflect that Lenny shipping feeling. Where's my satisfying ending? You writers promised me smart and beautiful babies in the first bloody episode. You gave it Bernie who came in over 3 years later, gave her a happy marriage within 2 years then a baby. And where's that happy career I've been waiting for since that first episode?!? Sure I got Leonard. He's great and all but you know I've complained about him every three or four episodes for the last 5 years.....I'm rambling.

Emotions get the best of us at times. Both characters and shippers. Until this story gets resolved or at least a new positive Season 6 feeling is introduced, I don't think anything is gonna elicit a positive thought from the Lennys who are upset at the moment. And that's fine even if I personally think there are far greater injustices in the world today than 4 episodes of mopy Penny.

I'm watching the next few weeks feeling I will see how it goes for ME since that's what's it all about here - what we all individually feel about the show, with no one right or wrong - and possibly avoiding the shitstorm that will inevitably follow.


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[Chrismo]

21 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

But from what I read, she wasen't complaining about Leonard. Well not like she was in the previous episodes. But not knowing what she wants out of her life. Which is normal. I mean she is in her thirties. And she has no real calling or purpose. Like the rest of the characters do, or seem to do. In any case I Read the Lenny bit of the TR. But I Don't read TR anymore fully, they are too vague. I am sure this well all play out, and paint a bigger picture. 

But her life now is with Leonard. Shouldn't she care about what she wants in their life? Me got replaced with we when they got married.

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[Guest]

3 minutes ago, bfm said:

As for the house...can't understand her desire to move out when it's just the two of them and perhaps three, they have a spare room big enough for a baby...

Me neither. I would love to have an apartment like that.

[3ku11]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But her life now is with Leonard. Shouldn't she care about what she wants in their life? Me got replaced with we when they got married.

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She maybe married, but Penny is a very individualistic person. We know she likes to be independant. Just because they are married, does not mean their whole lives have to be connected all the time. She already said she wants kids and a house with Leonard. Look alot of this is assumptions, lets just see how this all plays out. 

[Itwasdestined]

I love Penny but her character from Day 1 has been set up to never being satisfied or wanting more than she can achieve. After 10 years we as fans probably hoped she'd finally balance that out and mature but it's the story the writers don't want to resolve.

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She probably wants a house so there's an extra room for her to run away to when she's upset or needs alone time.
One for the baby
One for the sex
One for Leonard to play in
One for her to hide from everything
A four bedroom house.
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[Chrismo]

Just now, 3ku11 said:

She maybe married, but Penny is a very individualistic person. We know she likes to be independant. Just because they are married, does not mean their whole lives have to be connected all the time. She already said she wants kids and a house with Leonard. Look alot of this is assumptions, lets just see how this all plays out. 

But if she wants a house and kids shouldnt she talk to Leonard about that . Leonard brought it up earlier when Bernie was pregnant and she said she wasn't ready. Now she's is sad because she doesnt  have that and tells the girls first,

[3ku11]

Her character from Day one was set up as a very idealistic person. Then her dreams failed. And ever since has struggled to deal with reality. She embraced her reality with Leonard, because she was in love, and they could only communicate through a small letterbox :D. And her fear of loosing Leonard. And she wants a life with him, bla bla bla bla. But her dreams was movie star, then she said if that fails TV Star. IT never even occured to her, her life would be nothing less then medicore, or regualar. So I agree this is prob a story the show well never resolve. I do too wonder ITs been ten years, why can't Lenny be consistent like Howardette, have a baby. Give me my smart and beautiful babies damnit!!! But I guess the story ain't over for them. 

1 minute ago, Chrismo said:

But if she wants a house and kids shouldnt she talk to Leonard about that . Leonard brought it up earlier when Bernie was pregnant and she said she wasn't ready. Now she's is sad because she doesnt  have that and tells the girls first,

Well she was envious of Shamy, now its Bernie. I agree with you. She is backwards lol. I am just saying I saw alot of good signs in that taping. Like some said in The Tangible Affection Proof. She has alot of fears e.t.c. Some times she suppresses. She should tell Leonard about it, but its very IC for Penny not too. 

[Itwasdestined]

Her character from Day one was set up as a very idealistic person. Then her dreams failed. And ever since has struggled to deal with reality. She embraced her reality with Leonard, because she was in love, and they could only communicate through a small letterbox :D. And her fear of loosing Leonard. And she wants a life with him, bla bla bla bla. But her dreams was movie star, then she said if that fails TV Star. IT never even occured to her, her life would be nothing less then medicore, or regualar. So I agree this is prob a story the show well never resolve. I do too wonder ITs been ten years, why can't Lenny be consistent like Howardette, have a baby. Give me my smart and beautiful babies damnit!!! But I guess the story ain't over for them. 
Well she was envious of Shamy, now its Bernie. I agree with you. She is backwards lol. I am just saying I saw alot of good signs in that taping. Like some said in The Tangible Affection Proof. She has alot of fears e.t.c. Some times she suppresses. She should tell Leonard about it, but its very IC for Penny not too. 

The problem is that her character hasn't changed but the way it used to be dealt with has. She used to eventually talk it out with Leonard by the end of the episode or the follow up. And we saw it. Not happening at the moment during this arc ON SCREEN.


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[3ku11]

2 minutes ago, Itwasdestined said:

 

The problem is that her character hasn't changed but the way it used to be dealt with has. She used to eventually talk it out with Leonard by the end of the episode or the follow up. And we saw it. Not happening at the moment during this arc ON SCREEN.


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True, but in the past she would often tell the girls something, and suppress it. And not tell Leonard how she is feeling. Let's hope in the future tapings, Penny and Leonard communicate better. Because that is prob the main issue. If the writers just make them talk it out. I am sure things wold get resolved. I mean could you imagine if Lenny diddn't talk it out, S6 Valentines Day episode. And Leonard diddn't challenge Penny. I Think its time Leonard steps up and starts Challenging Penny again. I liked take charge Leonard, not the spineless they have reverted back too. 

[bfm]

10 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But if she wants a house and kids shouldnt she talk to Leonard about that . Leonard brought it up earlier when Bernie was pregnant and she said she wasn't ready. Now she's is sad because she doesnt  have that and tells the girls first,

That was a year ago and I think Leonard's question was quite general, he didn't propose having kids at that same moment and it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't bring it again

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I liked take charge Leonard, not the spineless they have reverted back too. 

He's actually showing quite a backbone in 10.13 and 10.14.

[Chrismo]

9 minutes ago, bfm said:

That was a year ago and I think Leonard's question was quite general, he didn't propose having kids at that same moment and it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't bring it again

I think its time for penny to put on the big girl pants and bring it up since she's doing all the work in their relationship.

7 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

He's actually showing quite a backbone in 10.13 and 10.14.

Kind of agree with 3ku11. 10x13 he drove over to the spa cause he felt bad over the argument. in 10x14 he originally told Penny he didn't have a problem with Randall. The only way she found out  was because of Sheldon

Edited January 18, 2017 by Chrismo

[3ku11]

9 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think its time for penny to put on the big girl pants and bring it up since she's doing all the work in their relationship.

Kind of agree with 3ku11. 10x13 he drove over to the spa cause he felt bad over the argument. in 10x14 he originally told Penny he didn't have a problem with Randall. The only way she found out  was because of Sheldon

Well least its not as Bad as Leonard's lie for two years he held onto. Unless we find out Penny married someone else lol. I think its probably easily fixed with the writers allowing Lenny to communicate better. 

[wowbagger]

Eish this latest TR sounds like fairly standard Boys Do Work Stuff, Girls Piss And Moan About Menfolk and Wedding Rings. Blech. It's not the worst or most offensive,  perhaps, but it still sounds sexist and annoying. Bring on the next one.

[Jonny]

9 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think its time for penny to put on the big girl pants and bring it up since she's doing all the work in their relationship.

Kind of agree with 3ku11. 10x13 he drove over to the spa cause he felt bad over the argument. in 10x14 he originally told Penny he didn't have a problem with Randall. The only way she found out  was because of Sheldon

You think Penny actually right now wants kids? Because I am not sure she does, she doesn't know what she wants. And from a writing perspective I don't think there are going to be anymore kids on this show anytime soon anyway, it's pretty much what they said.

[veejay]

37 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But her life now is with Leonard. Shouldn't she care about what she wants in their life? Me got replaced with we when they got married.

You're right.

P: Well, I am so happy for Howard and Bernadette.
L: Me, too. So, you ever think about it?
P: Babies? Mm-hmm.

P: What about you?
L: I think we'd make amazing parents.

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[Vittoria Jacoel]

I have read TR and I think that it seems a funny episode!


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[ajond]

2 hours ago, SRAM said:

This is actually the way I see it, either Leonard and Penny won't be on the show next season or there isn't going to be a next season.  

I agree. Maybe TPTB know that Kaley or Johnny or both are not going on to S11 and are building a way of writing them out of the show. 

[Itwasdestined]

I agree. Maybe TPTB know that Kaley or Johnny or both are not going on to S11 and are building a way of writing them out of the show. 

Well then Kaleys gonna be mighty pissed based on her outburst after the recent taping. She don't wanna leave!


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[3ku11]

Just now, ajond said:

I agree. Maybe TPTB know that Kaley or Johnny or both are not going on to S11 and are building a way of writing them out of the show. 

I don't see any evidence to support that. Kaley did say in BTS, she wants to stay on with the show. So I haven't heard anything else, that would suggest Johnny and Kaley are leaving. In theory if they wrote Leonard and Penny out, and left together found a house, Penny gives birth great. I am just saying, I see nothing at present to suggest that well happen.

[Chrismo]

19 minutes ago, Jonny said:

You think Penny actually right now wants kids? Because I am not sure she does, she doesn't know what she wants. And from a writing perspective I don't think there are going to be anymore kids on this show anytime soon anyway, it's pretty much what they said.

If the shows done after 9 more tapings it will happen. that's why it was brought up.

[Spaced_up]

4 hours ago, kerrycec03 said:

yep, its on the coattails of Penny's complaining (Amy being sad about no ring yet)....I mean in Amy's eyes Penny has had multiple engagements/weddings/etc....so woe is me, I cannot even get 1 engagement and we've been living together blissfully for a while now...she probably expected it to happen soon after (and do you blame her)...but in time sweetie...At least we know she's still a def YES (although we never thought otherwise).

WOW! Is this all there is to this scientists life? all she aims for... Some lame ass proposal from a guy who acts like a tweeny 98% of the time?  If I were an Amy fan I wouldn't give a monkeys if Sheldon proposed or not. Weddings, proposals, events? What matters is the connection, the journey, the fun. The writers know this. At least I think they did once.

I'm sorry I'm not having a go at what you want to see...  i'm just saying that I really don't understand why that type of character would be so invested in that level of conformity. In fact, I don't see why Amy, a person who has been shunned all her life, wouldn't be more enlightened. More pragmatic. I've never known a woman in Amy's position who wasn't wise and grounded. The whole experience of being left out does this. The Amy they created seems stuck in high school. This is why I never got behind Amy because they never really got the formula right for me.

Edited January 18, 2017 by Spaced_up