[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Carlos]

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 11:31 AM, bbtfan07 said:

I wonder if Sheldon ever let Leonard run around sans pants.

The Romance Recalibration episode is so badly written it's not even funny. (It actually isn't). When Amy says in regards to Sheldon always wearing pants and that she doesn't even know what his knees look like, it is a blatant disregard for continuity. Besides the obvious 2 times when they had coitus, Sheldon dropped trousers in front of Amy when he was trying to determine what was funny and what was not (another stupid part of that plot, IMO) so that feeble attempt at humor is OOC (in this case meaning Out Of Continuity) at best and not that funny at worst.

[veejay]

1 hour ago, Carlos said:

The Romance Recalibration episode is so badly written it's not even funny. (It actually isn't). When Amy says in regards to Sheldon always wearing pants and that she doesn't even know what his knees look like, it is a blatant disregard for continuity. Besides the obvious 2 times when they had coitus, Sheldon dropped trousers in front of Amy when he was trying to determine what was funny and what was not (another stupid part of that plot, IMO) so that feeble attempt at humor is OOC (in this case meaning Out Of Continuity) at best and not that funny at worst.

Amen to that!

[mirs1]

This is Johnny's opinion about the likelihood of a S. 11 for the show

I find the number of episodes he indicates pretty interesting (unless he just misspoke, LOL!); might it be that the negotiations are settling for a pay raise for the actors vs less episodes for the show? Of course, they should come up with a figure that makes the deal favorable for all parts involved...

Edited January 20, 2017 by mirs1

[bfm]

13 hours ago, john2p said:

One of my thoughts which occured to me while reading some @bfm comments. Is it healthy that Penny get her whole identity soley out of her relationship? I mean, I remmber her saying especially Leonard and her friends are her passion and everything she needs.By that time it didn´t struck me, and it was incredible romantic to me. But now I am thinking that could be the main factor of her inconviences in her relationship. Sure she wants a more romantic Leonard. The way he was portrayed, btw class act by Johnny, it surely bothers. But forcing into THIS drama, I don´t get it. Only if there are an underlying other motive. And that can be the fact that Penny doesn´t worked ou her identity of her own. So maybe this isn´t a relationship drama, but an individual drama. Ok that plays out in the relationship and sure Leonard can help by behaving like a decent person. But I think Penny has to concentrate on finding a passion of her own, that can be a job, or hobby or.... In that way the RA is the more ridiculous, only a way to fight the symptoms, not the realy causes. Anyhow, I am still intruiged by these two. It is interesting how the evolve. The chemistry is still there!!

I'm happy my posts give you ideas I was thinking about this too. As I said it could be that things escalated this much because it is not only about their relationship. Sure, Leonard burping and playing video games in his underwear isn't nice. And I get that she wants a romantic gesture once in a while (although this is quite unfair because in about 6-7 years of relationship she barely did anything like this for him). But I don't think this is enough to cause such hard feelings and such a fight. I think Penny is generally unhappy and is having a hard time figuring out why. In her fantasy she says she is so lucky to have him. Perhaps this is what she says to herself to cheer herself up, so realizing that Leonard doesn't do these gestures anymore takes away one of the few things that make her happy scared her and made her react strongly. Maybe in some part she was even scared for their relationship. In season 8 we found out that she thinks their relationship is, to great extent, dependent in him being infatuated with her. Her relationship and feeling desired by Leonard might have been what was keeping her well enough. I think she is used to be the object of desire. She didn't get to become an admired actress. Now her relationship is becoming more equal, Leonard is not chasing her as is she was a godess anymore. She was always the desired girl, ever since she was a kid and maybe that is the way she percieves herself. Maybe she never really figured out who she is and what she really wants.(This actually goes with Beverly's "external locus of identity" comment but I won't get into that, I already got to deep, I tend to do this, sorry )

It seems like 10.15 could support my suggestions that Penny is unhappy not only, and not mainly, because of her relationship. Especially if they don't cut the "incomplete" line. Maybe she will finally find something (in the professional domain? family domain? romantic?) that will make her feel self-fulfilled.

[Tensor]

12 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I thought the tree sequence was a good example of Lenny arguing, but funny at the same time.  This show has not been laugh out funny since Season 7. Its not a comedy anymore. Its a soap opera. Soap Operas are great, in its format. But TBBT was always a pure comedy. From underwear on heads, to mocking these characters, to Shamy acting like pubescent teenagers. The actors IMHO are carrying this show atm. Without them they would be screwed. 

Skull, you need to read and acknowledge the PM I sent to you. 

[spidergirl]

41 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

This is Johnny's opinion about the likelihood of a S. 11 for the show

I find the number of episodes he indicates pretty interesting (unless he just misspoke, LOL!); might it be that the negotiations are settling for a pay raise for the actors vs less episodes for the show? Of course, they should come up with a figure that makes the deal favorable for all parts involved...

It could be 12 episodes by season for me, I would not mind. As long as they continue to do the show for us , it would be fine 

Edited January 20, 2017 by spidergirl

[Swedish Chef]

I think it would be nice if the writers somewhere in the future could tell us why Penny is so unhappy. At the moment I'm completely lost why she's not happy anymore. 

[john2p]

18 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

I think it would be nice if the writers somewhere in the future could tell us why Penny is so unhappy. At the moment I'm completely lost why she's not happy anymore. 

I agree it would be nice. I honestly must say, her being unhappy has annoyed me since s7. I watched s7,8,9, in a fast marathon to catch up. But if I compare Penny then to season 1 till 6, it´s almost shocking. Cynical, almost alcohol addicted. It´s not fun to look at her solely. The only thing that keeps her straight is Leonard. And that is unhealthy. It´s a very unbalanced relationship, I realize as a shipper. And again I agree fully with @bfm. 

Penny needs to have a fullfilled identity as soon as possible. To make a comparison with Rachel of Friends, she had a fullfilled carriere, going from a selfish girl to a full grown woman. I wish Penny gets the same treatment. I really loved her in her earlier days. Still do, but I am hoping to see a happy woman. And I still don´t believe that her main issue concerns Leonards, although it is played out that way yesterday. But that is really weak writing. I know it´s a comedy, and I know I over analyse many times. but in this I am pretty sure, Penny is unhappy almost depressed since s7 and that comes from different reasons as from Leonard.

[Mario D.]

16 hours ago, john2p said:

Well, I won´t go into a discussion about what´s romantic or not. The main issue was, What efforts did Leonard put into the relationship. Obviously I find most of his, romantic, but that is a whole other level of discussion. Because that is for everyone on a personal value. Anyhow, it´s a non discussion. The main premisse of this tbbt till this season was, does the geeky guy get the pretty blond, and HOW did he doe this. With or without romantic efforts.

I have watched the entire episode. My thought: I wasn´t amused as I was with the previous one. That I really liked. This one, was " meh", most of the time. But, I wasn´t that shocked about how Lenny was portrayed. Still I don´t find the RA necessary and it looks  ridiculous. All the things named in there, why couldn´t they write it down by themselves, if they want an agreement. It´s not difficult English, as far I can judge, there are not difficult subjects. So I don´t see the purpose to involve Sheldon. And it confirms, it was only for the comedic effect. The fight itself, well I don´t know why it had to turn into that fight. Penny could have easily talk about it, without this drama. That is what bothers me, not the fight, but why did the writers choose to create a drama like this. In comparison to the other storylines, which I found funny lighthearted, I thought all the time, why couldn´t the writers not create the same light hearted story (like the christmas tree in the previous episode) with a conflict. This is for me a really questionable choice: why the heavy drama, which could be easily fun and ironic. Anyhow, it´s really a episode I don´t care, but not as much anxiety as it was 4.24. It is a meh episode. The good part is, Lenny got more screentime. That can be a good sign. Those two shine whenever together. Love them!

Agree this entire episode could have been done without a fight. Seems like the writers cannot create any storylines for Lenny so therefore they create arguments. Why couldn't Lenny handle this with a Beta Experiment. That seemed to have worked before.  And I understand they have another argument in the next episode about Penny's brother.  So I guess the RA is not referred to here. Just cannot get over the fact that these episodes are leading up to something significant for Lenny.

[Anita]

17 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

I think it would be nice if the writers somewhere in the future could tell us why Penny is so unhappy. At the moment I'm completely lost why she's not happy anymore. 

From real life point of view, there is a moment in your life in wich you compare the life you dreamed whith the life you have and they rarely coincide, in penny's case they are radically different, add a job she doesn' enjoy and a husband whom in her opinion has stopped trying and she is not happy with the situation her life is at right now.in the relationship aspect it's not a issue of love, so they can solve their problems and she can be happy again.

From tv show point of view, I am not sure , I have a personal theory about the writters intentions , it´s long and but if you want i tell you

 

[JE7]

2 minutes ago, Anita said:

From real life point of view, there is a moment in your life in wich you compare the life you dreamed whith the life you have and they rarely coincide, in penny's case they are radically different, add a job she doesn' enjoy and a husband whom in her opinion has stopped trying and she is not happy with the situation her life is at right now.in the relationship aspect it's not a issue of love, so they can solve their problems and she can be happy again.

From tv show point of view, I am not sure , I have a personal theory about the writters intentions , it´s long and but if you want i tell you

 

Welcome Anita and please continue 

[john2p]

4 minutes ago, Anita said:

From real life point of view, there is a moment in your life in wich you compare the life you dreamed whith the life you have and they rarely coincide, in penny's case they are radically different, add a job she doesn' enjoy and a husband whom in her opinion has stopped trying and she is not happy with the situation her life is at right now.in the relationship aspect it's not a issue of love, so they can solve their problems and she can be happy again.

From tv show point of view, I am not sure , I have a personal theory about the writters intentions , it´s long and but if you want i tell you

 

Would love to read your thoughts about it :). 

[3ku11]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

Skull, you need to read and acknowledge the PM I sent to you. 

I've read the PM.

[spidergirl]

21 minutes ago, Anita said:

From real life point of view, there is a moment in your life in wich you compare the life you dreamed whith the life you have and they rarely coincide, in penny's case they are radically different, add a job she doesn' enjoy and a husband whom in her opinion has stopped trying and she is not happy with the situation her life is at right now.in the relationship aspect it's not a issue of love, so they can solve their problems and she can be happy again.

From tv show point of view, I am not sure , I have a personal theory about the writters intentions , it´s long and but if you want i tell you

 

I would love to read your thoughts about it.

[Tonstar17]

Better days are coming, they are called saturday and Sunday. Yay..



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[vonmar]

From Entertainment Weekly

The Big Bang Theory: Johnny Galecki weighs in on sitcom's future

The Big Bang Theory‘s future remains up in the air as it enters the back half of season 10 with looming contract negotiations for the cast. However, if there’s one thing fans can take solace in, it’s the fact that the writers aren’t ready to call it a day, according to star Johnny Galecki.

(more in the link) (video in the link)

Edited January 21, 2017 by vonmar

[3ku11]

Posting just the actress who plays Claire . Call me Shallow but I hope Claire comes back and Raj tries and go steady with her .

Edited January 21, 2017 by 3ku11

[Anita]

1 hour ago, JE7 said:

Welcome Anita and please continue 

Thank you!!!!, I have litte interaction because it´s a little hard to me expres myself in english, but here we go.

 

Regarding season 10 I  think the writters are preparing the series finale in case it is the last season: 

the relationship more road had to travel if this is the end it was shamy so they have centered in this from ep 4.

howardette have the pregnancy/ baby plot  and they are exploiting it, if this is the end they already have their happy ending.

and  lenny are the great victims in my opinion, they are already married and, with no intention to introduce more pregnancies in the show or open new plans  for them  that they  are not going to have  time to end, lenny are stuck. if we add the reluctance to break completly the big three dependency  but with sheldon leaving the apartament and focusing in his relationship with amy ( in a little bipolar way) it's lenny (toghether or apart)  who have to maintain the dynamics of three now four and that doesn't let them  live their own experiences so we   have left a couple what is behind the kitchen island supporting shamy or fighting each other. 

Make sense ?

 

 

 

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

36 minutes ago, vonmar said:

From Entertainment Weekly

The Big Bang Theory: Johnny Galecki weighs in on sitcom's future

The Big Bang Theory‘s future remains up in the air as it enters the back half of season 10 with looming contract negotiations for the cast. However, if there’s one thing fans can take solace in, it’s the fact that the writers aren’t ready to call it a day, according to star Johnny Galecki.

(more in the link)

"Penny and Leonard are in a rough patch." "Their working on it." "Getting married doesn't lock you into happiness and answer all the questions." "I love that stuff." " I love their scenes."

Johnny's been making the rounds!

[3ku11]

I also LOVED Lenny's scenes last night. One of the very few. I find it boring when Lenny are happy. I know weird. Just I find them interesting when they have material and they have something. Lenny are not getting screen time, isn't that what most Lenny's want ?I agree with Johnny Marrage is not guaranteed happiness. I think the show are depicting the reality of a young married couple, so it is relatable. It is not Lenny of years gone by. So it is hard to accept, but it is what it is. Interesting to see how it develops in the next episode. And i am looking forward to seeing Claire .

ETA: Interesting I was looking at the polls. To see what are the most popular episodes this season. And 10.01 The Conjectual Conjecture, and 10.04 The Cohabatation Experimentation are. With 32 and 46 votes respectively. Lenny's wedding, and Living Arrangements changed. Makes sense. Last episode The Romance Recalibration. Very good is winning so far with 11. I Think We need to look at the definition of Very good. Because the past three seasons, and this season has varied from bad-good. I wouldn't define the last episode as Very Good. I voted Okay, and I was being very very nice. 

Edited January 21, 2017 by 3ku11

[JE7]

The Shamys vote it very good because of the Sheldon/Amy interactions and kiss.  You gotta remember Lenny's are not the majority here

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I think it would be nice if the writers somewhere in the future could tell us why Penny is so unhappy. At the moment I'm completely lost why she's not happy anymore. 

I don't think you can say she's unhappy about her life in general. She may not enjoy how certain parts of her life are progressing, but that doesn't mean she's not happy. Leonard, for example, makes her incredibly happy, she said it herself. Her career doesn't.

[3ku11]

I thought it was obvious why she is unhappy. I woulden't say she is not happy anymore. I mean she moved to Pasadena in 2007 to be a big movie star. But the writers have never really addressed these issues earlier on. I mean around Barbarian Sublimation. Instead of making her hang out with the guys. Work as an waitress for the next 5 years/seasons. They should made her look at finding her passion, a profession. Acting does seem to be her passion though. But no here we are 7 years later. Married in love. But completely unfulfilled in other aspects of her life. She lacks self actulization. Tends to happen with girls like Penny, who have an external locus of identity. I did feel around Season 6 The Monster Isolation. Hey their you go, she can act, in a play sense. But nope dropped it never seen again. Then they gave her the awful Serial Apist. That only found cult success because sleazy guys living in their basements think shes "hot". That was degrading for Penny. Then of course same season Season 7, her part in NCIS was cut. Heck she could of outburst at Leonard then.  And then this season, in the CC episode.

You know the one, where he treated Penny like a "Trophy Wife". But nope she supressed it. Nothing in her life turned out like it should. And Kaley has always been so incredible at realistically portraying a struggling actress. But now she's at a point in her life, where she needs autonomy. I think the writing is the problem. Has been for a long time. Penny seems to me, lacks balance in her life. Her only passion is Leonard. But I Think she really needs to get over it, considering where she was in the pilot. She's a damn lucky woman. 

Edited January 21, 2017 by 3ku11

[Chrismo]

On January 18, 2017 at 11:07 AM, FileXxX said:

Nice, thanks for sharing. Is Penny actually feeling incomplete without a house and a baby?  

 

1 hour ago, FileXxX said:

I don't think you can say she's unhappy about her life in general. She may not enjoy how certain parts of her life are progressing, but that doesn't mean she's not happy. Leonard, for example, makes her incredibly happy, she said it herself. Her career doesn't.

A house and baby has nothing to do with her career. 

1. Doesn't it have something to with Leonard?

2. Isn't something that she should be discussing with Leonard and not keep that info from him?

3. Wasn't that part of the RA?

Edited January 21, 2017 by Chrismo

[3ku11]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

 

A house and baby has nothing to do with her career. 

1. Doesn't it have something to with Leonard?

2. Isn't something that she should be discussing with Leonard and not keep that info from him?

3. Wasn't that part of the RA?

1. Penny never exclusively stated it has anything to do with Leonard. She obviousley complained he was being complacent latest episode. But next episode it seems deeper then that. 

2. Yes. But Penny often suppresses things. And once again this is a writers issue. They well make Penny communicate when they see fit

3. The RA had for Penny not to keep things from Leonard, and not to get restricted once she reveals stuff. But Leonard in the next episode. Lied to Penny, that he is okay with the whole Randall thing. So what is the difference.