[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Carlos]

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 7:37 PM, Jonny said:

Well said.

Amy over the years has mentioned she wants to get married to Sheldon so it shouldn't surprise anyone that she wants it more than ever. I agree I don't think marriage would change her much at all, it's not like she is going to become a stereotypical old fashioned housewife after marriage, she will still pursue her career.

Who knows? Getting married in TBBT seems to be the kiss if death. If you don't believe me just look at Lenny.

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, Carlos said:

The idea you propose is a very good one and quite likely to occur. However if the writers separate Lenny again, at this late stage of the game, they can take the last 2 1/2 years of TBBT and stick them up their asses. (Just to clarify, my rant is exclusively against the writers and not  you)

 

14 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I'm sorry I see no purpose in break up. But that's imo. In any case Penny told Shamy. We're not getting divorced. So maybe that's the tptb addressing this? I don't know.

I'm with 3ku11 on this though Penny telling Shamy their not divorcing isn't the reason. Back in season 3 they needed to break up because if they stayed together IMO we wouldn't be on this thread because the show would have been over. The last contract was made to get thru 10 seasons and in football terms it was in the third quarter. The show is now at the two minute warning and the One team is ahead by a touchdown and the other team has the ball. If there is no contract the score stays the same and the games over. If there is a contract it's like the one team ended up tying the game and it's going to overtime. To me the longest contract you could get is one year. The writers are having a hard enough time writing stories and breaking them up again would seem to make things worse. Also it seems from what others have said costs of the show is going up and that would make the show less likely to go on. They could really advertise it it seems to me as the final season.

On a side note as critical as I've been about the writers they seem to be in a tough spot. I know the contract hold out last time with the actors but there seemed to be a good feeling they were coming back. This time I don't feel the same vibe. You would hope it would be decided either way shortly not for necessarily wanting more seasons but for what needs to be written this season. The last taping it already appears the writers are hedging their bets with the girls storyline. Penny pregnant and Shamy engaged sort of covered if the show is over this season or can be forgotten if the show continues. I don't think the writers though can hedge things much longer though.

[Carlos]

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 11:27 PM, JE7 said:

I guess what really bugs me are the people who refuse to accept what is.

TR comes from poster Bob "Leonard didn't use a coaster and put a ring in the coffee table and penny got mad and beat him with a baseball bat" some will say "TR are vague we have to wait and see", Mayim post a pic of penny being taken away in handcuffs and an evidence bag with a bloody bat their response "that just her opinion maybe penny slipped and the bat hit Leonard maybe Bob can give more detail?" Bob says yep penny got mad and beat Leonard their response "it could be an accident we will just have to see how it plays", and of course someone else says Leonard deserved it for not using a coaster, how is penny supposed to put up with that

After a certain point it just gets ridiculous and annoying

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[djsurrey]

In Penny's dream sequence she said you always know what not to say.

I'd like to have that super power.

[Carlos]

On ‎1‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 1:10 AM, FileXxX said:

They also made the unrealistic choice to live in two separate apartments for years, paying two rents. They made the unrealistic choice to get married a second time, even though they were married already. They made the unrealistic choice to live with Sheldon, even though they could've just moved across the hall. The list goes on and on. I just don't think you can always expect them to make the most realistic choices.

It is a very short list because:

1) Living with Sheldon after they got married and paying rent in two apartments is the same thing, as far as the show goes. Furthermore, you have read , I presume, how many posters on this forum complained about the living arrangements,haven't you?

2) Getting married a second time while not strictly necessary happens in real life. You have heard of renewing vows, right?

[3ku11]

39 minutes ago, Carlos said:

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I don't tbh. Considering I was right it did play out better. 

[Tensor]

17 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I don't tbh. Considering I was right it did play out better. 

I thought it played out worse, as did a few others here.  There were also those who thought it played out better.  Whether or not it played out better is highly subjective and no one is able to say it played out better or worse, except for themselves.  

[Jonny]

6 hours ago, Carlos said:

Who knows? Getting married in TBBT seems to be the kiss if death. If you don't believe me just look at Lenny.

Well Howardette seem to be thriving, I wouldn't say that marriage has been a kiss of death for them.

[spidergirl]

12 minutes ago, Jonny said:

Well Howardette seem to be thriving, I wouldn't say that marriage has been a kiss of death for them.

Agree. Actually, imo what it is got as impression of Howardette 's marriage is they are happy at moment and they have been married for a while. When Penny asked Bernardette if it happened a husband stopped to care Bernie's reaction was surprise. Surely Howardette marriage is not perfect , none is, but they are not unhappy. Lenny had a fight, by the end of episode they seemed to have made up. Imo nothing is lost in that front, even they might be struggling yet with some things for next episodes. Surely their marriage will live through it.

Edited January 22, 2017 by spidergirl

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, spidergirl said:

Agree. Actually, imo what it is got as impression of Howardette 's marriage is they are happy at moment and they have been married for a while. When Penny asked Bernardette if it happened a husband stopped to care Bernie's reaction was surprise. Surely Howardette marriage is not perfect , none is, but they are not unhappy. Lenny had a fight, by the end of episode they seemed to have made up. Imo nothing is lost in that front, even they might be struggling yet with some things for next episodes. Surely their marriage will live through it.

Each couple and relationship is different, and like real life all three (four if you include Raj and Cinnamon lol) are very different on the show. I have no doubt they must have had issues and still do but Howardette have been married longer and have more experience under their belt to work out issues.

This is just my opinion but I have always been struck by how volatile their relationship (Lenny) can be. It was like that when they were dating on and off and now in marriage at times we see similar things. But they have always found a way to sort it out and there is no question they love each other deeply. I didn't think at all marriage would change them radically, maybe some did I don't know?

The issue I have is not the fighting or arguing, it's that we don't see enough of the happier times between them right now. I don't agree with this bullshit that other characters are impinging or stopping them showing that, nor would I ever agree with the concept of cutting off ties with other characters (the friends in their universe that they love) as some magic solution either. But if someone makes an argument that they want to see more happiness between them on display then I would agree and an improvement on the storylines when Lenny are on their own would be most welcome.

But that's my opinion.

Edited January 22, 2017 by Jonny

[BigBang15]

11 hours ago, bbtfan07 said:

They do not exist in the universe we know since they were on the pilot that wasn't use. Those are not the Leonard and Sheldon characters that we know. If they did what you suggest, it would have to be an alternate story-line or something like fan fiction. 

That does not mean they don't exist. You knew who they were

The unaired pilot story has some differences in the Leonard and Sheldon character that can be ignored, but who's to say that Leonard didn't know/date Gilda before the story takes up with Penny moving next door? Or that they didn't help out Katie who they found on the street before S1E1? That's why they can come back and with a quick sentence, Penny, et al find out who they are. Leonard and Sheldon were roomates before Raj and Howard joined the group and before Penny moved in. Oooo! I just came up with a story. Some more angst and drama for Lenny. Later everyone....

 

 

 

[Carlos]

14 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Agree. Actually, imo what it is got as impression of Howardette 's marriage is they are happy at moment and they have been married for a while. When Penny asked Bernardette if it happened a husband stopped to care Bernie's reaction was surprise. Surely Howardette marriage is not perfect , none is, but they are not unhappy. Lenny had a fight, by the end of episode they seemed to have made up. Imo nothing is lost in that front, even they might be struggling yet with some things for next episodes. Surely their marriage will live through it.

Spidergirl and Jonny: While what you're saying might technically be true, and both of you make good points, who I was referring to was Lenny. For them getting married was the kiss of death, not to mention that they haven't been written very well (IMO) since mid S7. Howardette's marriage has been written a little bit better even if sometimes Bernie's mean streak has been a little bit exaggerated. Spidergirl, I disagree somewhat with your assessment of Lenny. It wasn't just a fight. It was an incident in a long line of small negative incidents, and, as I saw it, this was the first time I've ever seen Penny be really mean to Leonard. Also hiding away his things is unacceptable, re-decorating without Leonard's participation and then complaining because he is no longer carrying 100 % of the load are not good things either. Finally, telling Randall he could stay at their apartment without even consulting with Leonard and then throwing him under the bus with her father is beyond contempt. The writers can make it appear as if everything is fine at the end of the episode all they want, but since that payoff isn't earned, that just sounds like bullshit because it doesn't ring true from everything that came before it.

IMO the way Lenny's relationship is being portrayed now-a-days is beyond pathetic, and has nothing to do with what it used to be up until the end of S6. I think the writers have long run out of ideas for the totality of the characters and are even hurting the character integrity of whom they perceive to be their golden boy.

Edited January 23, 2017 by Carlos

[Tensor]

 

3 hours ago, Jonny said:

This is just my opinion but I have always been struck by how volatile their relationship (Lenny) can be. It was like that when they were dating on and off and now in marriage at times we see similar things. But they have always found a way to sort it out and there is no question they love each other deeply. I didn't think at all marriage would change them radically, maybe some did I don't know?

It's like the writers have forgotten what they were doing in second half of season five, and then in seasons six and seven, with them, isn't it?  Actually showing them talking about their issues. 

 

3 hours ago, Jonny said:

The issue I have is not the fighting or arguing, it's that we don't see enough of the happier times between them right now. I don't agree with this bullshit that other characters are impinging or stopping them showing that, But that's my opinion.

So, as it was in an earlier episode this year, they write  8 minutes of Shamy; 6 mimutes of Howardette, Raj, and Stuart; and 4 minutes of time as a group. That leaves all of  two minutes for Lenny (actually, it was less than two minutes).  That would seem to be impinging on any time they would write for Lenny, wouldn't you say?   Also, The Cohabitation Experimentation is a good example of not showing Lenny discussing their problems.  Simply show them dancing, that will solve their problems, don't you think?  

 The last episode was a good example.  If we ignore the weird 30 second Shamy kiss, there were 2 minutes of cucumber drink and initiation of the RA for Lenny, with the minute tag with Shamy's comments about Lenny and the parts of the RA.  That's two and a half minutes of Bullshit Shamy time that could have been used to show Lenny working it out on their own, without the RA.  But, of course, that would have cut Sheldon's time, and we know that isn't happening.  How is that not impinging or stopping them from showing Lenny?

[spidergirl]

17 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Spidergirl and Jonny: While what you're saying might technically be true, and both of you make good points, what I was referring was Lenny. For them getting married was the kiss of death, not to mention that they haven't been written very well (IMO) since mid S7. Howardette's marriage has been written a little bit better even if sometimes Bernie's mean streak has been a little bit exaggerated. Spidergirl, I disagree somewhat with your assessment of Lenny. It wasn't just a fight. 

Carlos, thanks for make clearer you were mentioned lenny. About the fight, I was only talking about last thursday plotline, not about further spoilers. Then your earlier post made more sense to me now.

Btw, I agree about Penny hiding Leonard's stuff. It should have not ever happened indeed. 

Edited January 22, 2017 by spidergirl

[legacy99]

I don't see how tptb can make the lenny problems just simply disappear without doing more damage first

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[Stephen Hawking]

On 1/18/2017 at 10:02 PM, 3ku11 said:

And the cliffhanger is, is Penny pregnant?

Maybe they'll leave us wondering, which of the two girls is pregnant?

[Swedish Chef]

7 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

I don't see how tptb can make the lenny problems just simply disappear without doing more damage first

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Sadly I don't think we are done with this plot yet. 

[No Regrets]

11 minutes ago, Carlos said:

The writers can make it appear everything is fine at the end of the episode all they want, but of that payoff isn't earn, that just sounds like bullshit because it doesn't ring true from everything that came before it.

Exactly. The worst thing about the latest episode was that we didn't get to see them talk and instead they went for Shamy talking about things that didn't matter. Yes, this is a comedy above all else but often I feel these writers flat out refuse to go for real serious talk because they can't make it funny. It doesn't have to be funny all the time. A married couple with serious problems just isn't funny but if you choose to go there, then at least commit to it and show me some real talk. Here's how it's done:

Some of the best acting I've ever seen on television and also one of the most heartbreaking scenes, too. That scene was earned and it was also necessary because of everything the characters had gone through before. I don't see the same commitment for Leonard and Penny. 

[Zhalen565]

28 minutes ago, Tensor said:

....... The last episode was a good example.  If we ignore the weird 30 second Shamy kiss, there were 2 minutes of cucumber drink...

And the Bessewisser scientist wasting that time getting it wrong. Scientifically and Botanically cucumber being a fruit not a vegetable. Develops from a flower and has seeds on the inside. 

[Tonstar17]

The issue I have is when they give us shamy or howadette drama, they always show them talking and resolving it especially when it's Sheldon's issues. But when it comes to lenny we get the bitter but not the sweet part of lenny. It's so annoying seeing them all fine at the end of the episode, without even knowing how they came to that conclusion. Like I have said many times on here, when it comes to lenny, tptb can't wait to move to the next non- lenny scene and just rush the little crumbs that we get.

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[veejay]

11 minutes ago, Zhalen565 said:

And the Bessewisser scientist wasting that time getting it wrong. Scientifically and Botanically cucumber being a fruit not a vegetable. Develops from a flower and has seeds on the inside. 

[Swedish Chef]

2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

The issue I have is when they give us shamy or howadette drama, they always show them talking and resolving it especially when it's Sheldon's issues. But when it comes to lenny we get the bitter but not the sweet part of lenny. It's so annoying seeing them all fine at the end of the episode, without even knowing how they came to that conclusion. Like I have said many times on here, when it comes to lenny, tptb can't wait to move to the next non- lenny scene and just rush the little crumbs that we get.

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I can only agree with this, many Lenny scenes feels rushed or not thought through enough. 

[djsurrey]

26 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Some of the best acting I've ever seen on television and also one of the most heartbreaking scenes, too. That scene was earned and it was also necessary because of everything the characters had gone through before. I don't see the same commitment for Leonard and Penny. 

I for one don't want to see that.

[Stephen Hawking]

On 1/22/2017 at 5:37 PM, Zhalen565 said:

Scientifically and Botanically cucumber being a fruit not a vegetable.

This isn't the first time they've had the characters get confused between fruit and vegetable, which isn't believable given that, out of 7 main characters, five are scientists, of which two are biologists.

Edited January 23, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[Zhalen565]

6 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

This isn't the first time they've had the characters get confused between fruit and vegetable, which isn't believable given that, out 7 main characters, five are scientists, of which two are biologists.

Yep! As far back as S1E04 we had Sheldon giving a factoid on why "Tomatoes are shelved with vegetables even though technically they are a fruit"