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34 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Not sure what you're trying to say, but that does sound like the motto of this board.

 

Ah! You see that is one of the joys of a forum like this.  The ability to go out into the dark and shake your fist in the air.  To go to the window, throw it open and yell to the evening "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!".  To howl at the moon.  To bark at the passing cars.

It is also a place to revel in the antics of your favorite characters when things are going the way you would like.  To find rapture in a kiss, a look between your OTP, your ship.  To laugh out loud at jokes and to cringe at others.  To giggle (or roll your eyes) at "Bazinga" or equally at "Isn't this where he says 'bazooka' or something?".  It is a place to glory in your love of something along with others whom you may never meet.  Also to bitch, to moan, to complain when they are not meeting your expectations.  It is a place to argue with others, even if it turns out to be a humongous circle.  Love or hate what is going on, we're here because there is something that we love about The Big Bang Theory.  Oh.  And don't worry.  Tables will turn (or flip) and those that are loving things about it this week may find something to hate about next week, or next month, or (Lorre/Prady willing) next year.  Those who are miserable about certain depictions may find something to love once more......

This really is a marvelous place.......

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10 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

 

I for one, think the writers are doing a surprisingly great job of making Howardette's pregnancy plot funny, heartfelt  and original , and they have also , to some extent recaptured the crazy Herb garden Germination style dynamic with Shamy,  by frequently highlighting that these 2 people get joy from being with each other and have fun together. 

And I'd even say they're doing a great job with Lenny.

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20 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

 

But wouldn't it be a more constructive  idea to just stop watching the show altogether ,  if one is so disgusted by it,  rather than hoping for it to be cancelled , so that no one else gets to enjoy it either ?????? There are people who still enjoy the show, why should they have to be denied the joy of watching the show just because you are unhappy ?????. Just because the writing of Lenny is unsatisfactory to some, does not mean, everything else ,including Howard, Bernadette,  Sheldon and Amy’s journey is also crap. I for one, think the writers are doing a surprisingly great job of making Howardette's pregnancy plot funny, heartfelt  and original , and they have also , to some extent recaptured the crazy Herb garden Germination style dynamic with Shamy,  by frequently highlighting that these 2 people get joy from being with each other and have fun together. 

First of all; I am not the one wishing it will end. though I understand some have those feelings-wishes. To me it´s a hypothetical discussion. I will not further go on, only by this reply. Constructive imo doesn´t mean agreeing on on someones opinion. It is respecting different views. And that can be a negative one. why is this thread otherwise for. Only to be constructive, on the positive side? That some, and sometimes me, ventilate our negative feelings doesn´t mean, at least to me, that we/I don´t respect the fact many others do like the show entirely, or in parts. I like Howardette too. I like Amy, and I love Lenny. And I don´t want the end yet. And if, than I am the first to stop watching again and hoping, wishing all who continue watching have a great time. But why should someone not show his or her "disgusted" feelings on this thread? About the Shamy, I often said I don´t like the Sheldon part, but I really like the Amy part. And that is not the writers fault imo. but Jim´s. I am deeply dissapointed in his acting this season. Frankly it is overacting to me.

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BTW, Jim´s acting is imo much better if he is paired  with Johnny. The moments where they were together (like in the klingon scenes) I could feel the old TBBT vibe. And it prooved to me that Johnny is one hell of a straight man. And he can stand alone much better with other actors as Jim can. For instance I like the brief moments he and Mayim share. The two are outshining the pairing Jim and Kaley at the moment, like the scene where Sheldon revealed his past (explaining the knocking). Which is suprisingly, because that was one of a hell comedic duo.

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 Telling others, even with disclaimers, is still telling others what they should be doing or how they should look at the show.  Talk about the show, how you feel about the show, not about other members.   Someone says they hope it gets cancelled,  Voice your opinion, that you think it should continue, and why.  Don't tell others how to voice their opinions.  The next time won't be a note here in the thread, it will be warnings.   

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 Even if I stop watching, it's not going to stop the way lenny are portrayed. I'm not obsessed about the show like I used to I watch new episodes when I can be bothered, because it's like a drug it's not easy to wine yourself off it after years of watching. It's a slow process but I'll get there when it's cancelled. The sooner the better.

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14 hours ago, Jonny said:

Each week goes by I see them introducing potential storylines that lay the groundwork for if this is indeed the last season. Then I see the ratings that are still very good in the current tv viewing climate, dominating its competition and then you hear the actors and the execs saying they want to do more seasons.

Kind of a strange feeling really, thinking they can't possibly end the show as there is just too much going for it right now and yet the storylines are preparing us for it being a major possibility.

It must be so hard for the writers, having to work in a 'we must start wrapping this up story mode' and yet there is still hope for more seasons.

I was discussing this with Tripper last week.   Remember, this is a business, and this may give you something to understand what CBS may be up against.   All these numbers are approximate, and what has been reported.  There are likely differences in the actual numbers.

The salary for the show is currently around 5.5 million a show (a million each for the five, and around 200k for Mayim and Melissa).  For 24 episodes, this comes to 132 million.  They are also paying around 4 million per episode for the license fee.  This is another 96 million, for a total of 228 million. 

Ad time is currently ~290,000 for a 30 second spot during new episodes.   If we go with 19 minutes of show, and 12 minutes of ads (remember the show runs until 8:31), that brings in around 7 million per episode, and 168 million for the season.  Ad rates for repeats are roughly 150,000 per 30 second spot, which would be around 3.5 million an episode.    There were 24 repeats last year, for around 84 million, bringing the total to 252 million.  

So for this year, CBS is bringing in about 24 million off of the show.  

Now let's look at season 11.

If the cast (as reported) is asking for a raise, even if we give the five a minimal raise to 1.2 million, and even give Melissa and Mayim 500,000 each, that raises the the salary to 7 million an episode or 168 million for a 24 episode season.  If the licensing fee drops to 3 million, that would still add 72 million, for a total of 240 million.  

Ad rates dropped about 30,000 per spot from last year, so another 30,000 drop this year would bring the ad rate to 260,000 for new and 130,000 for repeats.  That would be 6.2 million per episode and 150 million for the year.  With 24 repeats, that would be about 3.1 million per episode and  75 million for the year.  That totals 225 million for the year.  This would be a loss of about 16 million.  

Now, as I said, these are rough estimates.   There are other sources of income that could cover it.  CBS could request a lower licensing fee (WB is going to make money on syndication that CBS won't see).  They could also reduce the number of new episodes, to reduce salary, which would increase the repeat number.  These are all considerations (along with others) that have to be taken into account.  Which is why this could be taking so long.

There's a couple here who work in the field the may have better numbers (Hi Kerry), and if they think my numbers are way off or misleading, please let me know.     

On another front, lets look at these storylines.  Molaro said he would need a couple of episode warning to wrap the series up, if this is the last season.  Let's say they use the last three episode, two to prep, and the final.   The last three episodes would tape in April.  There is a taping on the 28th of March, which is when the script, for the first of the last three (episode 21), would have to be ready.

 As the writers are three or so weeks ahead. They would start writing that episode 21 script around early to mid March.  That's only two months, or less, from right now.  They may need to have these storylines now, to be able to wrap things up.  That said, they could also write parallel scripts, where they have one for wraping things up, and one if they contracts get done.  

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What is the value of the show for CBS with regard to what they bring in ratings for the new shows that they launch in their shadow.  They always position new product behind TBBT, be it on Mondays in early fall or Thursdays in late fall.

Do you drop an expensive product like TBBT knowing that you now have no supernova ratings show to position new programs behind hoping for carryover audiences?

I think this is also a weighty issue for CBS.

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24 minutes ago, vonmar said:

What is the value of the show for CBS with regard to what they bring in ratings for the new shows that they launch in their shadow.  They always position new product behind TBBT, be it on Mondays in early fall or Thursdays in late fall.

That's a question I can't answer.  The problem with almost everything that has been behind TBBT, is that either the show doesn't make it to it's second season, they fail during the second season, or barely hang on.  Shit my Dad Says lasted for one year.   The Millers were canceled five episodes into it's second season, after being moved away from TBBT.    Two and A Half Men dropped by almost a quarter in the slot after TBBT (and why CBS put a veteran show like TAAHM behind it is another good question).  Life in Pieces is hanging on at 9:30 on Thursday, The Odd Couple is the likely cancellation for CBS this year, The Great Indoors loses half of TBBT's audience and Mom grows after it. Speaking of Mom, It's the only show that launched behind TBBT that is doing fairly well.  CBS is using it as a top of the hour anchor at 9 PM Thursday. TBBT seems to have had only a minimal impact on helping launch anything. 

 

24 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Do you drop an expensive product like TBBT knowing that you now have no supernova ratings show to position new programs behind hoping for carryover audiences?

The question for CBS really is, can we afford to lose money with it?  That's a question only the accountants and the Board of CBS can answer.  If they can, for what ever reasons, they can continue to try and launch other shows.  If they can't, it won't be on next year.

24 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I think this is also a weighty issue for CBS.

Your points are all good, in the end, CBS is going to have to figure it out.  

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I think Molaro already has a plan in place based on the last taping. I don't think Penny mentioning being pregnant or Amy being engaged were just throwaway lines.

in regards to the show JMO but maybe one more year. Maybe a little bit more pay than tensor mentioned. The show could be promoted as it being it. I would think ratings would go even higher with people knowing a finality.

it was mentioned how shows that run after TBBT get a boost. It seems what I take from the ratings is that it's short term. I turn the channel after the show is over and apparently others do to considering that outdoor show doesn't get half the viewers of TBBT.

it would seem like the Fall of 2018 they could put that Sheldon show in its place. Obviously it wouldn't get the numbers TBBT would get but it certainly would cost much less to make. It probably would still be the number one show for the night at least for awhile considering how lopsided things are now.

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12 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think Molaro already has a plan in place based on the last taping. I don't think Penny mentioning being pregnant or Amy being engaged were just throwaway lines.

I don't think they were throwaway lines either.   I'm sure, by now, TPTB have an idea of how they plan to end this, if this is the final season.  Those two lines were pretty much left open so, if needed, they can bring them back up for the end.  

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10 hours ago, FileXxX said:

What's the point of wanting a show to end?  Why does it have to end for everybody?

To paraphrase Penny: " the heart wants what the heart wants." I want the show to end because I don't like it anymore, and it has become for me more a torture than a pleasure. I really don't care about anybody else but me in that regards. That being said what I want has no bearing on the show continuing or not.

9 hours ago, FileXxX said:

Yes, it is hard to understand. It's the same as people disliking certain food. Do I like Brussels sprout? No, I don't. Does that mean they shouldn't exist, even though others love them? No, it doesn't. I have the option to not eat them, so why on Earth would I want to ruin it for everyone? I don't get it.

Not that the writers would listen to any of you (thank God), but still, I can't get my head around that.

 

Let me explain this to you. You like the way TBBT is written today and want it to continue, right? Do you care that I don't like the way it's being written and want it to stop?  We all watch it because of what the shows means to each one of us . I really think it's very simple. 

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Probably best this is the last season. Overall I beleive it has been better then Season 8 and 9. Which were awful IMO. So i think it is good enough to end on a high. And it also gives them time to end the show in a way the show deserves. This show gave me hope in TV again. In 2007 when it debuted I thought it was the most fresh, and unique sitcom I had seen in years. Friends is not so popular around here, but it was my fav sitcom of all time. So since 2004, I had not found a comedy that I really invested in. TBBT was that show. I think the show well end with them homaging the pilot. I don't think Penny being pregnant is a throwaway line at all. Then again Our babies well be smart and beautiful" was meant to be a set up joke up as well. But I am sure tptb are aware of its popularity. Amy and Sheldon getting married by shows end. Point is they maybe setting this up to be the final season. But I beleive their well be an eleventh season. Nothing I have read to confirm this. but way cast been talking seems they are in negotioans to go for another season. The thing is if the show ended this season. I would be like great run. IF it continued. I would be like fine, let's take this rollercoaster one more time. 

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13 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

Something that I miss is Amy and her monkeys, those scenes was hilarious. Kripke is also missing to me

I love Kripke as much as the next fan here but keep in mind John Ross Bowie is busy with his own sitcom "Speechless" now. Idk what kind of filming schedule that show has but I can imagine it certainly doesn't make it easier to have Kripke be on the show as much as we all would like.

But YES to more Amy in her lab and her hilarious studies!! <3

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8 minutes ago, April said:

I love Kripke as much as the next fan here but keep in mind John Ross Bowie is busy with his own sitcom "Speechless" now. Idk what kind of filming schedule that show has but I can imagine it certainly doesn't make it easier to have Kripke be on the show as much as we all would like.

But YES to more Amy in her lab and her hilarious studies!! <3

Too bad Bowie can not be more in tbbt but good for him for his show :)

I love Kripke and his interactions with Sheldon were my favourite!

YES to more Amy in her lab! Her studies are always great ideas for good and healthy laughs!

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1 minute ago, Gustavo.Woltmann said:

Hello nice people, I am really obsessed with that show and I definitely like season 10 it's so funny like crazy !! are there any more episodes ??

Regards,

- Gustavo Woltmann 

CBS has broadcast 13 episodes so far this year.  They have taped 2 others that will be broadcast in February. They are scbheduled to have a total of 24 this year. 

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