veejay Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Itwasdestined said: So another week of arguing about whether the taping reports for shows unseen are gospels of doom or impressions of what might happen?!? Haha, maybe. But seriously, this shown reaction could also come from me. I guess I need a deprivation clause. Edited January 25, 2017 by veejay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 21 hours ago, Anita said: Well, there were 2 seasons without Mulder in X files, so after that, nothing can surprise me Its obvious to me JMO that JP doesn't really want to stay so would you say the same if he was gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie3457 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 44 minutes ago, Chrismo said: Its obvious to me JMO that JP doesn't really want to stay so would you say the same if he was gone? I don't know why, but I really do get the feeling that Jim would rather move on. I have nothing to base this on but a gut instinct. I also belive that Kaley would not find it to be the end of the world if TBBT were to end sooner rather than later---I think she would like to continue, but would not lay awake wondering where her next role would be coming from...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anita Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chrismo said: Its obvious to me JMO that JP doesn't really want to stay so would you say the same if he was gone? I don't understand your question, yes , i would say exactly the same. David duchovny, 50% of the soul of X files left the show voluntarily, and yet they were for what was, and this is just my opinion, a great failure and for two an a half seasons no less . After that I would't be surprised if they let a show (tbbt or any other) go on without a main character/couple ( voluntarily or not)if they think it could remain profitable.I'm not saying it's going to happen but if it does I personally woudn't be surprised. Edited January 25, 2017 by Anita I have eaten half of the letters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 11 hours ago, 3ku11 said: Diddn't they announce a three year extension in 2014, in September? Did I Get that right? So I am wondering by May we might here more. Seeing that is around the S10 finalie of course. They didn't announce the extension until January. The head of CBS mentioned moving TBBT from Thursday, to Monday, while Thursday Night Football was on. Then moving it back. The insinuation, of course, that there would be another season, although not, at that time, announced. May would be too late. The season would be over by that time and the writers would need more time than that. As a matter of fact, i pointed out the last three episodes of the season will start to be written in eight weeks or less. I suppose it's possible that they could renew, and just not announce it, but then you would have to have everyone associated with the show, with WB, and with CBS having to keep that quiet for four months or so. Not only that, but the last three shows will start to tape in April, so anyone going in April could figure it out, just from the plots, as wrapping things up for the end of the show, would be different from setting things up for next year. 11 hours ago, djsurrey said: I seem to recall production was delayed a week until the contracts were all signed. I would have thought that would be in August. The three extension was announced in early March (around the 10th, I think), so we have a few weeks yet. The delay in August was due to CBS announcing the renewal, without have the stars signed. I don't think they will make that mistake again. Although, as I pointed out, they did back in 2014, accidentally let slip there would be at least a season 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, hokie3457 said: I don't know why, but I really do get the feeling that Jim would rather move on. I have nothing to base this on but a gut instinct. I also belive that Kaley would not find it to be the end of the world if TBBT were to end sooner rather than later---I think she would like to continue, but would not lay awake wondering where her next role would be coming from...... I said this on the other thread but you blow off the network you appear on especially when you win an award on that show. It would be one thing if he didn't win but he knew that before not showing up. Edited January 25, 2017 by Chrismo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie3457 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, Chrismo said: I said this on the other thread but you blow off the network you appear on especially when you win an award on that show. It would be one thing if he didn't win but he knew that before not showing up. I'm still of the opinon that JP gets a break (when we were young when we said someone gets a pass on something, we would call it a "Pasadena"!!!) on that one. He had early morning obligations on the opposite coast. Traveling that way would be a hardship. I know Johnny had an appearance to tape in NYC as well, however he did not need to be there until late in the afternoon. Now I'm a huge Johnny fan; Jim and Sheldon, not so much. That being said (as if that made any difference) I don't feel that not being able to accept the People's Choice Award should be held against him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, hokie3457 said: I'm still of the opinon that JP gets a break (when we were young when we said someone gets a pass on something, we would call it a "Pasadena"!!!) on that one. He had early morning obligations on the opposite coast. Traveling that way would be a hardship. I know Johnny had an appearance to tape in NYC as well, however he did not need to be there until late in the afternoon. Now I'm a huge Johnny fan; Jim and Sheldon, not so much. That being said (as if that made any difference) I don't feel that not being able to accept the People's Choice Award should be held against him.... I'm sure it was arranged in advance - it's not like everyone was expecting him and he decided to not show up 5 min before the show started. Mayim delivered a message from him and Jim also apologised on IG that he sadly couldn't make it. It really seems just a clash of schedules, it happens. It's not the first time one of the actors can't make it to the PCAs. I also don't think that Jim not making it to this one award show is any indicator of him wanting to move on (which seems to be the underlying assumption here??). He's been giving quite a lot of interviews recently and every time he gets asked about TBBT he's enthusiastic about continuing. Edited January 25, 2017 by April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 Jim also probably had that set up, prior to them finding out the won. You don't just book studio time a week before you do it. I'm sure there he had meetings that were scheduled for Thursday, to prep for the show Friday. It was their week off, and his trip was probably planned well in advance, because he had the time during that week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, April said: I also don't think that Jim not making it to this one award show is any indicator of him wanting to move one (which seems to be the underlying assumption here??). He's been giving quite a lot of interviews recently and every time he gets asked about TBBT he's enthusiastic about continuing. What is he suppose to say? I can't wait till this is over. He going to be an Executive Producer for the Sheldon show so I don't think he's going to ruffle too many feathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario D. Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Tensor said: They didn't announce the extension until January. The head of CBS mentioned moving TBBT from Thursday, to Monday, while Thursday Night Football was on. Then moving it back. The insinuation, of course, that there would be another season, although not, at that time, announced. May would be too late. The season would be over by that time and the writers would need more time than that. As a matter of fact, i pointed out the last three episodes of the season will start to be written in eight weeks or less. I suppose it's possible that they could renew, and just not announce it, but then you would have to have everyone associated with the show, with WB, and with CBS having to keep that quiet for four months or so. Not only that, but the last three shows will start to tape in April, so anyone going in April could figure it out, just from the plots, as wrapping things up for the end of the show, would be different from setting things up for next year. The three extension was announced in early March (around the 10th, I think), so we have a few weeks yet. The delay in August was due to CBS announcing the renewal, without have the stars signed. I don't think they will make that mistake again. Although, as I pointed out, they did back in 2014, accidentally let slip there would be at least a season 8. Think this is a valid point. IMO believe since ratings are still sky high (20 million weekly) not counting the international numbers and the recent PCA win again, WB and CBS want to continue for another one or two seasons. They may have already agreed on renewal. The hangup seems to be the cast contracts. If they go for one more year than salaries would probably stay the same. If they contract for two years then cast would ask for more. Think the writers are in a sticky situation and that is probably why the episodes seem to be off a little with the storylines. Hopefully all will come to a head in the next few weeks and TBBT can get back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 23 hours ago, Tensor said: Not necessarily. There may be a season 11, but monetarily, it could be getting close to not being worth it to CBS. Those numbers may off a bit, as I said, they're estimates, so next season could very well be viable. But they aren't that far off, so if the cast wants a raise, and ad revenue continues to fall, it could limit the number of years on the next contract. Tensor I was wondering if you had ever heard of this before. I was thinking, assume the actors all want more money and the budget for salaries is about empty. You could pay the actors a raise and keep the total salary budget the same for the year if you didn't use all the actors in each episode. If you just reduced main three, each by six episodes, that would allow you to pay them another quarter million an episode and it gives the actors an addition 6 weeks off to do other things while giving them all that money still. Kaley would probably like the extra time off to compete in her jumping. You could stagger them so when the actor was gone there is only one gone in an episode at a time. It would be sort of like when Kaley was hurt and missed a couple of episodes. Has that ever been done on a series before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario D. Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 17 hours ago, BigBang15 said: They (WB) could reduce their license fee to CBS to entice them to renew for 2 or 3 seasons. They'd (WB & CBS) would have the prestige of a long running sitcom and it would add to the syndication package. If they go for 3 more seasons that would be over 300 episodes and probably be the longest running sitcom in tv history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mario D. said: If they go for 3 more seasons that would be over 300 episodes and probably be the longest running sitcom in tv history I don't think there is three more years of stories to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, SRAM said: Tensor I was wondering if you had ever heard of this before. I was thinking, assume the actors all want more money and the budget for salaries is about empty. You could pay the actors a raise and keep the total salary budget the same for the year if you didn't use all the actors in each episode. If you just reduced main three, each by six episodes, that would allow you to pay them another quarter million an episode and it gives the actors an addition 6 weeks off to do other things while giving them all that money still. Kaley would probably like the extra time off to compete in her jumping. You could stagger them so when the actor was gone there is only one gone in an episode at a time. It would be sort of like when Kaley was hurt and missed a couple of episodes. Has that ever been done on a series before? I can't remember something like this. The thing they do to reduce salaries, is to reduce the number of episodes, not the number of episodes the actors appear in. If we use the number I had in the previous post, we get: Instead of 168 million with 24 shows (and the 72 million license fee), it would be 126 million for salary and 54 for licensing, bringing the total cost to 180 million. That would change the ad income to about 112 million for 18 new episodes, and 93 million for 30 repeats (if they keep the 24 they did this year and add six more to replace the six new they cut off. That would be 205 million in revenue and vs costs of 180. So instead of losing 16 million in the previous example, they make 20 million. Remember, these are all estimates, to give an example. There may be other income, costs, or other things that are in consideration that will also affect the actual negotiations and contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario D. Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 On 1/22/2017 at 0:26 PM, No Regrets said: Exactly. The worst thing about the latest episode was that we didn't get to see them talk and instead they went for Shamy talking about things that didn't matter. Yes, this is a comedy above all else but often I feel these writers flat out refuse to go for real serious talk because they can't make it funny. It doesn't have to be funny all the time. A married couple with serious problems just isn't funny but if you choose to go there, then at least commit to it and show me some real talk. Here's how it's done: Some of the best acting I've ever seen on television and also one of the most heartbreaking scenes, too. That scene was earned and it was also necessary because of everything the characters had gone through before. I don't see the same commitment for Leonard and Penny. A terrific analogy. They absolutely should have shown Lenny talking it out and coming to the conclusion that they need an RA. You are so right when you say that comedies don't always have to be funny. This show has had many touching, heartfelt scenes and there is no reason why they could not come up with a better storyline for Lenny. (The episode when Mrs, Wolowitz dies is a perfect example of what can be done) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminous Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 This is from Alex's (@a.ayers10) IG stories (January 25, 2017, Table Draft): I noticed that a little bit of dialogue showed through the paper and I tried to make it visible. The only things I could identify are... PENNY ...you... WOLOWITZ ...if Koothrappali... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vittoria Jacoel Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 If you want my opinion they will renew the series because the ratings are very and cast and producers want to continue!I'm optimistic!I hope that they will continue![emoji4]Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) On 1/23/2017 at 6:26 AM, No Regrets said: Exactly. The worst thing about the latest episode was that we didn't get to see them talk and instead they went for Shamy talking about things that didn't matter. Yes, this is a comedy above all else but often I feel these writers flat out refuse to go for real serious talk because they can't make it funny. It doesn't have to be funny all the time. A married couple with serious problems just isn't funny but if you choose to go there, then at least commit to it and show me some real talk. Here's how it's done: Some of the best acting I've ever seen on television and also one of the most heartbreaking scenes, too. That scene was earned and it was also necessary because of everything the characters had gone through before. I don't see the same commitment for Leonard and Penny. Come on man your not being fair. That was imo the best directed, well acted break up scene I have ever seen on tv. David and Jennifer were sublime. Yes we would hope TBBT would get scenes like this. But they are different shows. And to be quite honest, I just don't think TBBT has the depth Friends had. That was a big story arch. Just like Lenny is having now. Difference is R and R had isolated scenes, and communicated. Like you said it built over episodes, and had a big payoff. This show just can't seem to write stuff, and not throw a gag in, or a joke. Or they drop stuff half way through it. But to be fair Lenny are now a married couple. I don't think they well break up. As they broke them up in S3, to drag it out over more profitable seasons. Just like they broke R and R here. So In Season Ten After two weddings I don't see it. And if this is the last season, well I am sure this arch well lead some where. I agree with you last episode, what was wrong about it. Is instead of having Lenny talk it out, they cut that scene, or the scene was never their. And went to some Shamy fluff. TBH they should of cut out that cringy Shamy kiss. And that pointless scene Where Lenny ask Sheldon for a RA. They still could of done that back at 4A. Just so Amy can make a joke about what expectations she needs to live up to in the RA. Pointless. That is what maybe 7 mintues. That is priceless in TBBT. I do agree with you the writers on this show don't seem to commit to a Leonard and Penny arch or story, as much as they should. Edited January 25, 2017 by 3ku11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 38 minutes ago, Mario D. said: If they go for 3 more seasons that would be over 300 episodes and probably be the longest running sitcom in tv history In terms of seasons, for Live Action Sitcoms, three more seasons would only bring them to 13. Currently the longest running Live Action Sitcom is Ozzie and Harriet, which ran 14 years. "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is currently in it's 12th season, but is signed through it's 15th season. In terms of episodes, TBBT currently at 220, would have to get to 351 (which would mean a sixteenth season), to make it to third place. Currently Ozzie and Harriet are at 436 episodes, My Three Sons at 380 and The Danny Thomas Show/Make room for Daddy is at 351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hokie3457 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Tensor said: In terms of seasons, for Live Action Sitcoms, three more seasons would only bring them to 13. Currently the longest running Live Action Sitcom is Ozzie and Harriet, which ran 14 years. "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is currently in it's 12th season, but is signed through it's 15th season. In terms of episodes, TBBT currently at 220, would have to get to 351 (which would mean a sixteenth season), to make it to third place. Currently Ozzie and Harriet are at 436 episodes, My Three Sons at 380 and The Danny Thomas Show/Make room for Daddy is at 351 ...and just to make sure everyone knows and to bring things full circle.....Make Room for Daddy was a Sheldon Leonard produced/directed show....Of course, now the theme song (a jazzy version of Danny Boy) will be in my head..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, hokie3457 said: ...and just to make sure everyone knows and to bring things full circle.....Make Room for Daddy was a Sheldon Leonard produced/directed show....Of course, now the theme song (a jazzy version of Danny Boy) will be in my head..... For Today, I'm hearing the theme from The Dick Van Dyke show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie3457 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tensor said: For Today, I'm hearing the theme from The Dick Van Dyke show. ...also a Sheldon Leonard show.....MTM was a marvel; a wonder. Just amazing. Two of the biggest tv series ever. One in the '60's; one in the '70's..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, hokie3457 said: ...also a Sheldon Leonard show.....MTM was a marvel; a wonder. Just amazing. Two of the biggest tv series ever. One in the '60's; one in the '70's..... John Rich won one of his Emmy's directing TDVDS. His son Anthony Rich is first assistant director for, and has directed the second most episodes of TBBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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