[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Jonny]

5 hours ago, Kev0821 said:

Does anyone think we'll see the return of Bob Newhart as Arthur / "Professor Proton"? For some reason, it struck me that maybe his character will reappear to encourage Sheldon to propose to Amy. If not then, maybe he'll be back for a potential dream sequence on the eve of Shamy's wedding day, assuming such an event will take place in the future.

I would love to see him make another appearance! He appears when Sheldon is mulling over the idea of something so that would give them plenty of scope storyline wise.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Jonny

[Carlos]

3 hours ago, legacy99 said:

Tptb are showing a lot more discontent between Penny and Leonard now than they ever did before. Imo I don't think they seem happy at all.

Exactly, I feel the same way. The amount and type of discontent that TPTB show between Lenny is such that I don't even know why they're together. They don't seem to be in love. I believe the writers have done the impossible which is rob Lenny of how special they were, in essence all the characteristics that made us fall in  love with the couple. IF they split them or not is academic at this point. After careful consideration I've come to the conclusion that TPTB have ruined Lenny, for me at least. 

[Tonstar17]

Marriage sometimes does feel like an institution, though it can feel like a mental institution in lenny's case. When yet another argument about unwillingness to communicate follows hot on the heels of a fight about being taken for granted and you do exactly the same thing you are complaining about like not consulting your partner about your brother coming to stay is one. To me penny is not been reasonable and wants leonard to do all the work, but put in as less as possible, and still feel like everything's falling apart. It’s natural to feel like you’re going a little crazy because things are changing which I think is happening with penny as she gets older. Like for example leonard letting himself go after they got married and losing the incentive to stay fit or be romantic. And before making any comments about  about leonard being a slob. Penny, you might want to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror too. When was the last time you made an effort to dress up for leonard or look sexy for him, instead of just dressing like a tomboy all the time, not sexy Penny. I get you are missing the loving, adoring, sweet, romantic boyfriend and now husband’s romantic gestures, but it takes two to tango.

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[luminous]

It's amazing how broad the spectrum of opinions is, regarding Lenny, even among Lenny shippers or people who have sympathy for Lenny.  While I'm certainly NOT happy with everything regarding Lenny this season, believe me, I don't see them damaged beyond repair or ruined. Absolutely not! IMO of course.

[JE7]

9 hours ago, luminous said:

It's amazing how broad the spectrum of opinions is, regarding Lenny, even among Lenny shippers or people who have sympathy for Lenny.  While I'm certainly NOT happy with everything regarding Lenny this season, believe me, I don't see them damaged beyond repair or ruined. Absolutely not! IMO of course.

As of right now I agree, but some of us have little (or no) faith in the writers and producers. We are unhappy with the current situation and seriously fear what the future may bring 

Edited January 29, 2017 by JE7
Is burning Sheldon in effigy protected speech?

[serena_1995]

5 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

. Like for example leonard letting himself go after they got married and losing the incentive to stay fit or be romantic. And before making any comments about  about leonard being a slob. Penny, you might want to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror too. When was the last time you made an effort to dress up for leonard or look sexy for him, instead of just dressing like a tomboy all the time, not sexy Penny. I get you are missing the loving, adoring, sweet, romantic boyfriend and now husband’s romantic gestures, but it takes two to tango.

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why must Penny take a long hard look in the mirror and feel bad about her looks ?? Penny must look sexy for Leonard at all costs, but god forbid, if she expects the same from him.  I agree, it takes two to tango, but when it comes to staying attractive, Penny is the clearly the one putting in more effort than Leonard IMO. It has partly to do with her job also, but still.

Edited January 29, 2017 by serena_1995

[Stephen Hawking]

4 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

but when it comes to staying attractive, Penny is the clearly the one putting in more effort than Leonard IMO.

I'm not sure i agree with that.

Penny is naturally attractive, whereas Leonard isn't naturally handsome.

When Leonard looks even averagely handsome, it's because he's put a lot of effort into it, whereas, when Penny looks averagely attractive, it's just because she is.

Here's Penny, for want of a better word, "slobbing around".

and here she is, dressed up to the nines.

Now compare "slobbing around" Leonard, with Prom Leonard.

The contrast between the two versions of Leonard, is, IMO, far greater than the contrast between the two versions of Penny.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[No Regrets]

14 hours ago, djsurrey said:

What does realism have to do with TBBT?

Well, if I wanna believe these characters, their motives and relationships, a bit of realism is necessary. If the writers had Penny running around farting in Leonard's face all day and Leonard would just absolutely love that, I wouldn't find that very believable even for a TV show. So yes, if a married couple has a big fight I'd like to see them talk about that on screen, because that to me adds realism to their relationship.

[3ku11]

2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I'm not sure i agree with that.

Penny is naturally attractive, whereas Leonard isn't naturally handsome.

When Leonard looks even averagely handsome, it's because he's put a lot of effort into it, whereas, when Penny looks averagely attractive, it's just because she is.

Here's Penny, for want of a better word, "slobbing around".

and here she is, dressed up to the nines.

Now compare "slobbing around" Leonard, with Prom Leonard.

The contrast between the two versions of Leonard, is, IMO, far greater than the contrast between the two versions of Penny.

What does looks got to do with it. I agree with the OP. Currently Penny is clearly putting more effort into their relationship then Leonard is. I'm sorry I'm confused. Are you saying because Penny's naturally more attractive , Leonard has to try harder. I'm not sure I but your example of Penny slobbish around. She was in the kitchen discussing her upcoming nuptials to Leonard with her friends in the kitchen. Compare that to Complacent Leonard. With food on his shirt. Theirs absolutely no contrast at all. 

[veejay]

12 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Why do you think I put the , after the quote from The Bad Fish Paradigm?

OIC!

[Stephen Hawking]

58 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

What does looks got to do with it. 

Because serena_1995 was referring to looks.

I probably truncated her quote a bit too much. I've edited the quote:

"but when it comes to staying attractive, Penny is the clearly the one putting in more effort than Leonard IMO"

58 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Compare that to Complacent Leonard. With food on his shirt. Theirs absolutely no contrast at all. 

But even without food on his shirt (no food on his shirt in my sample photo, that I can see), there's still no comparison.

Yes, Leonard can "scrub up well" (examples include Pulled Groin Extrapolation, and the aforementioned Prom Equivalency), but it takes a lot, whereas Penny looks good, even when she isn't "dolled up".

Edited January 29, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[Zhalen565]

16 hours ago, Tensor said:

There was no indication of a breakup prior to the episode, unless you want to count all the fighting they did.  You know, like all the fighting they have now.  

I seem to remember in interviews with the cast and writers after the fact was that it was basically Lorre came in with the script and all the writers were "We're breaking them up!" And that's why I don't trust him.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Zhalen565

[Tonstar17]

why must Penny take a long hard look in the mirror and feel bad about her looks ?? Penny must look sexy for Leonard at all costs, but god forbid, if she expects the same from him.  I agree, it takes two to tango, but when it comes to staying attractive, Penny is the clearly the one putting in more effort than Leonard IMO. It has partly to do with her job also, but still.

Who was talking about looks? I was merely talking about penny looking at herself in the mirror and see how she dressss when she is with leonard. She could try harder and not look like a tomboy. That was my point.

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[Tensor]

2 hours ago, Zhalen565 said:

I seem to remember in interviews with the cast and writers after the fact was that it was basically Lorre came in with the script and all the writers were "We're breaking them up!" And that's why I don't trust him.

In Lorre's defense, it was written just before talks for the first three renewal started.  While I didn't like it, it can be defended as part of the narative, as can the Raj and Penny thing.

It's more the retconning that's happened since, that cause me not to trust the show. The implication of an alcoholic and slutty Penny.  The boat kiss, and Leonard's hiding it for two years.  Then you have their total dependence on Sheldon since getting married.  Those are the things that make me distrust TPTB. 

[Mario D.]

19 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Really even at the bowling scene? Before that Leonard veining he is okay with Penny not being where he is at? I saw it coming a mile off. In any case my point was their breakup was pre determined by the writer. To drag it over the corresponding seasons. Of course up to the ILY. But how is that any different to now? I don't see any hint, or any evidence to suggest Lenny are going to get divorced. Just like I Saw no hint before the initial ILY. The show vicarosuely through Penny have already ruled out divorce. IT's too late in the game, not going to happen. 

JMO, but I think the break-up in season 3 may have had more to do with Johnny and Kaley breaking-up IRL. The producers just did not want to have any awkward moments beyween them. Also agree they wanted to draw the plotline out.  As of today don't think they will divorce or separate as that would be a tragic occurrence after 10 yrs. And I don't believe that Kaley and Johnny themselves would want this ending

[Stephen Hawking]

12 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

JMO, but I think the break-up in season 3 may have had more to do with Johnny and Kaley breaking-up IRL. The producers just did not want to have any awkward moments between them.

Yet they made them a couple again, when they were with (and in Kaley's case, married to) other people, which would, I imagine, have been just as (if not more ) awkward.

[gsxdoug]

7 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I'm not sure i agree with that.

Penny is naturally attractive, whereas Leonard isn't naturally handsome.

When Leonard looks even averagely handsome, it's because he's put a lot of effort into it, whereas, when Penny looks averagely attractive, it's just because she is.

 

I'm sure there are posters who will disagree with your appraisal of Leonard's looks (5Mississippis, for one). Since this is coming from someone who says Amy is hot (and I'm not dissing Mayim, here) when the character is designed to seem mousy and maybe a little frumpy, I'll take your opinion on this with a grain of salt.

[djsurrey]

5 hours ago, No Regrets said:

Well, if I wanna believe these characters, their motives and relationships, a bit of realism is necessary. If the writers had Penny running around farting in Leonard's face all day and Leonard would just absolutely love that, I wouldn't find that very believable even for a TV show. So yes, if a married couple has a big fight I'd like to see them talk about that on screen, because that to me adds realism to their relationship.

Hearing them have a meaningful talk about a fight is the last thing I'd want to watch. I'd change the channel. I'm all for less talk more...

[No Regrets]

6 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

Hearing them have a meaningful talk about a fight is the last thing I'd want to watch. I'd change the channel. I'm all for less talk more...

To each their own.

[Tensor]

8 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

why must Penny take a long hard look in the mirror and feel bad about her looks ?? Penny must look sexy for Leonard at all costs, but god forbid, if she expects the same from him.

Actually, the point it if she is going to demand that he put more effort into his looks, she should be doing the same.  Just like Leonard has no right to demand Penny do all she can to look good, if he is not doing all he can.  

[Judith]

40 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Yet they made them a couple again, when they were with (and in Kaley's case, married to) other people, which would, I imagine, have been just as (if not more ) awkward.

I don't know if J/K breaking up played any part in the Lenny break up back then but tptb could have wanted to avoid the initial awkwardness before things settled between the actors. So maybe they thought of this merely as a plus.

Surely tptb of a tv show wouldn't break up their central couple because of the actors' real life problems. Unless something horrible happened but J/K's break up was civil from what I've heard. (Or if the actors were assholes about it but then they should be kicked out).

Edited January 29, 2017 by Judith

[Tensor]

54 minutes ago, Judith said:

I don't know if J/K breaking up played any part in the Lenny break up back then but tptb could have wanted to avoid the initial awkwardness before things settled between the actors. So maybe they thought of this merely as a plus.

Their breakup was in Nov-Dec of 2009.  The Wheaton Recurrence wasn't taped until March of 2010.  So, they taped about 8-9 episodes from their breakup, to Lenny's breakup.  Also, see the PM.  

[Chrismo]

2 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Hearing them have a meaningful talk about a fight is the last thing I'd want to watch. I'd change the channel. I'm all for less talk more...

You must flipped the channel when Shamy was talking on Amy's birthday in 4b. Talk about a meaningless talk.

[Stephen Hawking]

50 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Talk about a meaningless talk.

It wasn't meaningless to them.

[Squonk]

23 hours ago, djsurrey said:

The future of Lenny could be 90% dependent on salary negotiations and who stays. How many seasons could we get out of Leonard and Alex?

Huh??? I watched season 9 on DVD (fell asleep half-way through though), and Leonard is now with Alex?