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Ok I'm gong to type up a quick repost.. I's tired af and I didn't take notes so it will be brief. I will add dialog but it wont be accurate to the actual taping as there were lots of re-writes. T

Hi all. Just a quick report. Got to pack our bags for a flight to San Francisco in the morning Episode was called "The Separation Agitation". If anything it was centered on Bert and StuHowardette mor

OK, here's the full taping report, courtesy of a super kind and likeable person. A million thanks to her. The unaltered wording reads as follows:  

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7 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

Sounds very convenient. And, now that you mention it, I remember student drivers coming to the DMV with their instructor for road tests. Mostly, I remember the instructors having to sit and wait while the test was given. They were not allowed to ride along...

Doesn't alter the show scenario. According to Sheldon, Amy taught him to drive. He did not attend a driving school. 

There could be any number of scenarios offered to explain this: Will Wheaton took him. Maybe it was Kripke. James Earl Jones may have had a free afternoon. In the end, knowing Sheldon, none of them make much sense. Sheldon would rely on the people that he's comfortable with and obviously none of them took him to get his license. There's also the issue with Sheldon keeping this a secret for two years. What happened to him being pathologically incapable of keeping a secret?

He said that Amy taught him how to drive. He didn't explicitly say that he didn't attend a driving school. For all we know he might have done that in secret. The other option could be that he just rented a car (which yes, is also legally possible).

The premise that Sheldon can only rely on people he's comfortable with is also flimsy at best. The guy can call an Uber and let random people move stuff around for him without relying on his friends. He could easily arrange showing up with a car for the test.

The whole secret keeping issue has been thrown out as a joke a long time ago and the biggest issue for him was keeping other people's secrets and lying for them anyway.

7 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

Another, and perhaps more disturbing, element of this is that while having a license he has continued to use his friends for transportation. Apparently because he feels important being chauffeured around. The arrogance of this attitude is reminiscent of original, homo nobles, Sheldon. Enlightened and evolved Sheldon should be more appreciative of his friends. They believe he needs their help and meet his transportation needs not knowing that he is using them to stroke his over inflated ego. New and improved Sheldon isn't being very nice. Not at all...

Leonard was already aware of that since S8 so that part is really not a secret at all. Meanwhile Amy knew that he can drive because she taught him. If no one actually takes Sheldon to task about getting his license and driving himself then I don't have much sympathy for them here. It's not like they don't know the guy. I'm always in favour of standing up to Sheldon's selfishness and kicking his ass when needed.

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3 minutes ago, April said:

The other option could be that he just rented a car (which yes, is also legally possible).

Leonard was already aware of that since S8 so that part is really not a secret at all. Meanwhile Amy knew that he can drive because she taught him. If no one actually takes Sheldon to task about getting his license and driving himself then I don't have much sympathy for them here. It's not like they don't know the guy. I'm always in favour of standing up to Sheldon's selfishness and kicking his ass when needed.

Rent a car without a license? Not at any car rental agency I've used. First thing they want to see is your driver's license. But, it may be possible in some places.

Knowing how to drive is not the same as having a license. His friends are still driving him because they believe it to be necessary. An incorrect belief that he has fostered for two years.

Agreed. I believe the 'Sheldon is changing' narrative would be greatly enhanced by his friends standing up to him more often. Calling him on his behavior and not letting him run all over them. One can hope... :icon_razz:

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Just now, HeWolf said:

Rent a car without a license? Not at any car rental agency I've used. First thing they want to see is your driver's license. But, it may be possible in some places.

Obviously you'd need to inform the rental company of the purpose and they need to allow it - I can imagine not every company would want that. But it's possible and some people have done it that way - in California even! I think you'll also need the proper paper work/insurance for that and since you don't have a proper licence yet you need someone to drive you to the test or at least accompany you while you use your learner's permit. I'm sure if Sheldon can find a random guy to move Leonard's furniture into his room in 9x04 he can find someone to drive him to the test with a rented car.

Just now, HeWolf said:

Knowing how to drive is not the same as having a license. His friends are still driving him because they believe it to be necessary. An incorrect belief that he has fostered for two years.

Yeah, exactly my point. They know he can drive and they know he lets others drive him around for selfish reasons. But despite knowing this and knowing that Sheldon is an opportunist like that apparently no one ever cared to ask about his license.

Just now, HeWolf said:

Agreed. I believe the 'Sheldon is changing' narrative would be greatly enhanced by his friends standing up to him more often. Calling him on his behavior and not letting him run all over them. One can hope... :icon_razz:

Yep. Well, I guess it's a step forward that Sheldon 2.0 is actually disclosing that secret to Amy cause it could cost him that very comfort of being chauffeured around by her. I guess it'll be interesting to see if the writers will actually let him drive in an upcoming episode.

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1 hour ago, HeWolf said:

In my area (Augusta, GA)

HEY NEIGHBOR!!! :icon_cheesygrin:

Are you ready for Sunday? :dwarf:

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Real football not soccer ;)
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7 minutes ago, JE7 said:

HEY NEIGHBOR!!! :icon_cheesygrin:

Are you ready for Sunday? :dwarf:

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Ready as one can get... Emperor Bellichick and Darth Brady will be bringing their A-game. The Falcons will have to Rise Up in rebellion...  :orc:

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3 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

Ready as one can get... Emperor Bellichick and Darth Brady will be bringing their A-game. The Falcons will have to Rise Up in rebellion...

Our home teams don't have a great record of winning the big ones but this is only the second time for them dirty birds :superman:

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18 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

Ready as one can get... Emperor Bellichick and Darth Brady will be bringing their A-game. The Falcons will have to Rise Up in rebellion...  :orc:

One New England resident hoping for a Falcon's win!!!!

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5 hours ago, bfm said:

I think it could be that this time J&K are discussing plots more than they did last time. In two interviews Johnny said that continuation depends on the writers feeling they can write more. Perhaps now that they have made more than enough money and have seen their characters and screen time diminish terribly, they are more concerned about the potential plots than they were when they negotiated last time. Of course money plays a big role but perhaps their plots and positions are of greater priority to them now than they were before (I'm not saying greater than money, just greater than before).

You are assuming they see their characters and screen time diminish (and continuing to). They may not. They may not count lines (like Shatner did on TOS). They may be happy to serve the current story. They may know what's coming up (but not the actual details). Or, they may be happy not having to work as hard and get the same money as JP :)

 

2 hours ago, HeWolf said:

Sounds very convenient. And, now that you mention it, I remember student drivers coming to the DMV with their instructor for road tests. Mostly, I remember the instructors having to sit and wait while the test was given. They were not allowed to ride along...

Doesn't alter the show scenario. According to Sheldon, Amy taught him to drive. He did not attend a driving school. 

There could be any number of scenarios offered to explain this: Will Wheaton took him. Maybe it was Kripke. James Earl Jones may have had a free afternoon. In the end, knowing Sheldon, none of them make much sense. Sheldon would rely on the people that he's comfortable with and obviously none of them took him to get his license. There's also the issue with Sheldon keeping this a secret for two years. What happened to him being pathologically incapable of keeping a secret?

Another, and perhaps more disturbing, element of this is that while having a license he has continued to use his friends for transportation. Apparently because he feels important being chauffeured around. The arrogance of this attitude is reminiscent of original, homo nobles, Sheldon. Enlightened and evolved Sheldon should be more appreciative of his friends. They believe he needs their help and meet his transportation needs not knowing that he is using them to stroke his over inflated ego. New and improved Sheldon isn't being very nice. Not at all...

I don't know the laws in Pasadena. In NY, you have to take a 6 hour drivers class (mandatory). Usually you sign up for it at a driving school. You can also make an appointment for your road test thru them and use their vehicle. A lot of people who have been taught to drive by friends and relatives also take 4 or 5 lessons with a school and that includes the car for the road test.

He may not have wanted any one in his "comfort zone" to take him in case he failed.

As for keeping long term secrets, two words, "Storage Locker".

ADDED: He seems to have a problem keeping OTHER PEOPLES' secrets, not his own. In addition to the Storage Locker, there's the Ring, his plan to use the ring, the safes, etc...

 

 

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7 minutes ago, BigBang15 said:

You are assuming they see their characters and screen time diminish (and continuing to). They may not. They may not count lines (like Shatner did on TOS). They may be happy to serve the current story. They may know what's coming up (but not the actual details). Or, they may be happy not having to work as hard and get the same money as JP :)

 

These are all speculations of course, but I think it is hard no to notice the diminishing screen time...

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38 minutes ago, bfm said:

These are all speculations of course, but I think it is hard no to notice the diminishing screen time...

Theres been also more than one current story. And the rimes been diminished at least for the last couple years

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In my lone, personal opinion, for the most part, (with rare occurrences) Sheldon is not a nice person.

One of the reason why I can't stand the character. It's amazing how popular someone so selfish and thoughtless of other people's feeling is worshipped. I guess lying to your girlfriend for two years about your driving license so she can take you everywhere is not selfish or inconsiderate but growth, and amy is fine with that. And I thought lenny had problems.



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4 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:


One of the reason why I can't stand the character. It's amazing how popular someone so selfish and thoughtless of other people's feeling is worshipped. I guess lying to your girlfriend for two years about your driving license so she can take you everywhere is not selfish or inconsiderate but growth, and amy is fine with that. And I thought lenny had problems.
 

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16 hours ago, JE7 said:

You missed the point entirety. The question is would TBTB be WILLING to give J&K the same as Jim not would J&K accept the same as Jim as they have before.

A secondary question would be is Jim willing to accept parity or does he feel as the star that he deserves more?

They do on THIS contract, everything is up for renegotiation at this time so what was in any previous contract is not guaranteed in a new one.

The EP thing is with the same group as the show so it can not be considered totally separate. Since it IS a perk to Jim from his employer who also employ the rest of the cast. No decent negotiator (cue William Shatner or better yet his apprentice) is going to let TBTB get away with "that's a separate deal"

Liked your post but specially the bolded part (lol)

15 hours ago, JE7 said:

Another interesting question, and another possibility to add to the mix.

I personally am not willing to stipulate that any or all involved parties are after a mutually fair agreement for everyone as opposed to what is best for them.

I believe the same thing. As much as the members of this cast might like one another I'm sure they are, first and foremost, looking out for themselves. The ones who seem to be more in it together appear to be Kaley and Johnny.

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I don't know how Sheldon lying to Amy about having a drivers license for two years. So she can drive him around. Can be seen as anything other then inconsiderate and selfish. Look if this was Season 3, heck even Season 6. I would be like "Oh that Sheldon, I can't be mad at you!". Now it's like really? Really? Your still pulling this crap writers. Let's be honest it's the writers fault, not Sheldon. Let alone personal growth for Sheldon hahahaha.

Oh yup. Shamy have even worser issues then Lenny. I mean Doesent that come back down to the lack of balance in their relationship? Couldent they have done it more creatively? Instead of Sheldon lies to Amy schitck.

No different to Leonard's two year lie really. Difference is you diddnt expect that with Leonard. And he was sorry. With Sheldon it's like but yeah he's a jackass. Who's apparently grown. Well tptb how about you show that consistently. Because far as I've concerned Sheldon this season has degressed right back to Season 6 Sheldon. But of course that's jmo.

Yeah yeah Sheldon and the writers can't win. Well they can obvioisiey lol. Sheldon can change all he wants. He wants to cringiley serenade Amy fine. He wants to act like a self entitled jackass (particularly to Leonard) fine. He wants to be a considerate, loving boyfriend and friend. Fine. But what is it. Reliability, it gets to the point you can't suspend your disbelief anymore. But knowing how inconsistent the show is these days. They well rebound. 

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8 hours ago, April said:

He said that Amy taught him how to drive. He didn't explicitly say that he didn't attend a driving school. For all we know he might have done that in secret. The other option could be that he just rented a car (which yes, is also legally possible).

The premise that Sheldon can only rely on people he's comfortable with is also flimsy at best. The guy can call an Uber and let random people move stuff around for him without relying on his friends. He could easily arrange showing up with a car for the test.

The whole secret keeping issue has been thrown out as a joke a long time ago and the biggest issue for him was keeping other people's secrets and lying for them anyway.

Leonard was already aware of that since S8 so that part is really not a secret at all. Meanwhile Amy knew that he can drive because she taught him. If no one actually takes Sheldon to task about getting his license and driving himself then I don't have much sympathy for them here. It's not like they don't know the guy. I'm always in favour of standing up to Sheldon's selfishness and kicking his ass when needed.

First of all most of what you say is largely (though not completely) speculatory. Secondly, are you saying that you don't have sympathy for people who drive him out of the goodness of their own hearts, because they don't call Sheldon out on his selfishness, but you implicitly side with the person being selfish? Hhhhhhmmm.... interesting.

7 hours ago, JE7 said:

HEY NEIGHBOR!!! :icon_cheesygrin:

Are you ready for Sunday? :dwarf:

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As much as I indeed want the Falcons to win I must correct you and let you know that soccer IS the real football. :shy:

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37 minutes ago, Carlos said:

 

I believe the same thing. As much as the members of this cast might like one another I'm sure they are, first and foremost, looking out for themselves. The ones who seem to be more in it together appear to be Kaley and Johnny.

Johnny and Kaley seem to be in a good position. How much of a pain can JP be if Sheldon's in the works. Even if the show went on without Lenny odds are rating would go down and thus would be viewers of the Sheldon show would seem to also.

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I don't see TbbT lasting long without J and K. Be like That 70s show when Foreman and Kelso left. In any case I see no suggestion. From either parties, that they don't want to do Season 11. Johnny says it's up to the writers. So we'll see. Things change with negotiations though. I'm sure the cast like The cast of Friends did. Wanted to do other projects. Although they all negotiated together. Jim negotiates on his own. JK together. So if Jim gets a good deal. It's prob down to what they are willing to give JK and the rest lol. Is it cost effective. And Season 11 and beyond. Is the show worth making anymore. 

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