[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Tonstar17]

As long as lenny are still in the show I will watch whenever I can. I still want the show cancelled. That's my opinion and not telling ppls what to do or writing a petition. If lenny are written out then I will change my mind. Because the for the show will get their wish. I will stop watching. Telling ppls to stop watching is bang out of order because they are frustrated with aspects of the show.

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[luminous]

 

[serenaded214]

Does anyone care about Raj? I know I don't lol. But I see your point ^ 

I actually used to care about his character more in older seasons. Lately, he's just been so annoying.

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[Swedish Chef]

3 hours ago, Jonny said:

I hope that some posters on here can rediscover some of the love they had for the show during these next two seasons, this forum is a much better place when everyone or a clear majority is happy.

I think the happiness on this forum depends on the writers to try and give us some decent stories for all the characters on the show. If they continue with the same crap stories for Lenny in season 11 and 12 ,that we have been given this season, then I don't see why Lenny fans should be happy. 

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

3 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

As long as lenny are still in the show I will watch whenever I can. I still want the show cancelled. That's my opinion and not telling ppls what to do or writing a petition. If lenny are written out then I will change my mind. Because the for the show will get their wish. I will stop watching. Telling ppls to stop watching is bang out of order because they are frustrated with aspects of the show.

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Lenny will never ever be written out of the show! Don't know where you got that Idea and Kaley & Johnny both signed on for two more Seasons. 

 

Lenny are the Main Couple. 

Edited February 16, 2017 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[Tonstar17]

Lenny will never ever be written out of the show! Don't know where you got that Idea and Kaley & Johnny both signed on for two more Seasons. 
 
Lenny are the Main Couple. 

I know its a given, now it's looks like they will sign. I also said IF they write them out. hypothetically.

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[sarah7]

17 hours ago, Chrismo said:

She is a supporting character because she is unnecessary without Sheldon. Her lesser pay also reflects that.

Sorry but no, her lesser pay reflects that the negotiations for her salary and Melissa's took place and were done before the negotiations that gave the other five's salaries an insane boost were closed, and as a result TPTB/CBS were really lucky for having two actresses in contract for three years doing as much work as the others (sometimes even more) and just having to pay them almost ten times less money.

Edited February 16, 2017 by sarah7

[Mario D.]

6 hours ago, RJ1013 said:

Count me among those fans who are happy to hear about a likely renewal!

If all the current reports are true, I’m really proud of ‘The Big 3’. To be honest, I was bothered by the idea of them seeking raises when they already make so much money. It’s the natural thing for them to do, I understand that, but they have two costars making far less than them, and given the current state of broadcast tv, the numbers would never work if they demanded too much. Agreeing to keep their current salary is probably the only way that the show could go on and keep all of its current cast members. It might (hopefully) even provide a way that Mayim and Melissa’s pay can be raised the way it ought to be.

I think the fact that they didn’t succumb to ego or greed shows a lot of respect for their fellow actors and the fans who love all the different characters.

I also favor the 2 season renewal. I think it gives the writers a chance to end the series with closure for all the characters. The reason this season has been so erratic was probably because the writers just were not sure if this  would be end or not. As far as the Lenny storylines go I think they still have some interesting ones left and if I read in between the lines from some of Johnny Galecki's interviews, this could have been a sticking point for him, but I guess the writers assured him of some good plotlines for P&L and all us Lenny shippers should be happy with that.  As for the Shamy stories it has been true that Sheldon has been the center of many episodes especially since Lenny got married. I really don't see this changing as the writers feel that Sheldon is the catalyst to drive the storylines. Hopefully the whole ensemble will benefit from this renewal

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, sarah7 said:

Sorry but no, her lesser pay reflects that the negotiations for her salary and Melissa's took place and were done before the negotiations that gave the other five's salaries an insane boost were closed, and as a result TPTB/CBS were really lucky for having two actresses in contract for three years doing as much work as the others (sometimes even more) and just having to pay them almost ten times less money.

I haven't seen the million dollar an episode contract announced for Mayim and Melissa.

[3ku11]

59 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

I also favor the 2 season renewal. I think it gives the writers a chance to end the series with closure for all the characters. The reason this season has been so erratic was probably because the writers just were not sure if this  would be end or not. As far as the Lenny storylines go I think they still have some interesting ones left and if I read in between the lines from some of Johnny Galecki's interviews, this could have been a sticking point for him, but I guess the writers assured him of some good plotlines for P&L and all us Lenny shippers should be happy with that.  As for the Shamy stories it has been true that Sheldon has been the center of many episodes especially since Lenny got married. I really don't see this changing as the writers feel that Sheldon is the catalyst to drive the storylines. Hopefully the whole ensemble will benefit from this renewal

That's interesting. As most of the time this season. The plot in an episode has zero to do with Sheldon. Yet he still seems to be the catalyst that drives the plot. Was watching The Birthday Syndrocity last night. Never watched it before. The A plot was the birth. But that diddnt feel like the catalyst. Sheldon did. So yeah guess what I'm trying to say is. In Season 11 (I am presuming nothing well change in that department this season). Tptb bring more balance, consistency, and pacing back to the show. Shift away from the tone of Sheldon's Coopers Adventures and his Friends. Or the Shamy Show. And start to focus on the other characters, they have been ignoring the past two seasons. For Lenny fans been told for three seasons now. Oh still got rest of the season for the writing their to pick up. Never happens.

So you know with 48 episodes. Stories drying up as it is. Tptb going around in circles, aka Repeated Cannon. Like Penny's Dream in The Romance Recalibration. Recombination Hypothesis 2.0. The Emotion Detection Automation. Penny lying about Randall staying with them at 4A. Guitar Amplification 2.0. Not to mention the absurdity of being okay with Sheldon allowing a Bum (played by Christopher Lloyd no less) to stay with them and not kicking him out. Repeated Cannon/going around in circles, change in format from Friendship dynamics to couples Dynamics, Sheldon Centric Show, Character Assanation, inconsistencies etc. Has lead to feeling in a false sense of security. And Generally unfunny show. Guess I'm trying to say I hope they are a bit more creative in Season 11. And don't should i say wing it. 

[sarah7]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I haven't seen the million dollar an episode contract announced for Mayim and Melissa.

And you probably won't.

Altough IMO it would be fair, to compensate a bit for so many years of scandalous underpayment (as opposed to the other five) and because, like it or not, they are a very important part of the show nowadays.

But since as a general rule life isn't fair, they probably won't get such a high rise, but any increase in their salary will be a clear indicative of the interest the network and the producers have on keeping them on board, and that will mean they regard them as valuable for the show.

 

Edited February 17, 2017 by Tensor
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[3ku11]

I don't think Mel or Mayim we'll get a pay raise. Most of the casual audience if you well still see TbbT as the big three. If you well. I mean heck based on the amount of screen time Mayims had this season. And the lack of screen time Kaley's had. Their salaries don't make much sense. But I guess it's based on the amount of revenue they generate for the studio every year. Which is hundreds of millions. So Kaley is billed, as is Jim and Johnny as the leads. So that's just the way it is. 

Edited February 17, 2017 by 3ku11

[vonmar]

Regarding salary negotiations, everything is speculation.  They never share the details of the deals. You can pick tidbits from articles that cite "insiders", but no one really knows. 

[Jonny]

6 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I don't think Mel or Mayim we'll get a pay raise. Most of the casual audience if you well still see TbbT as the big three. If you well. I mean heck based on the amount of screen time Mayims had this season. And the lack of screen time Kaley's had. Their salaries don't make much sense. But I guess it's based on the amount of revenue they generate for the studio every year. Which is hundreds of millions. So Kaley is billed, as is Jim and Johnny as the leads. So that's just the way it is. 

They will get a pay rise and I suspect a substantial one. I don't see how that level of pay gap can be justified at all or kept as it currently is. They will get less than than the big three well the big 5 now as it looks like the original 5 will be on very similar money to each other.

Melissa and Mayim will have rightly earned that pay bump especially considering their storyline involvement and screen time.

[sarah7]

55 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I don't think Mel or Mayim we'll get a pay raise. Most of the casual audience if you well still see TbbT as the big three. If you well. I mean heck based on the amount of screen time Mayims had this season. And the lack of screen time Kaley's had. Their salaries don't make much sense. But I guess it's based on the amount of revenue they generate for the studio every year. Which is hundreds of millions. So Kaley is billed, as is Jim and Johnny as the leads. So that's just the way it is. 

Funnily enough, I was just reading the comment section at one of the sources for the renewal news and several posters there were saying that both girls deserved a rise and one of them saying that Kaley could have been easily replaced by other actress, also that the only one that deserved the 1 million was Jim and yes, some more saying that nobody deserved anything because the show was not funny at all (as usual).

Not making things up, true story.

Please note that that's not how I feel (except for the well deserved pay rise for Mayim and Melissa), I value all the characters, I'm not trying to throw shade to any of the actors, nor to say that those guy's opinions are more valid than yours, I'm just contrasting your take on the general audience's perception and what I've just read.

Edited February 17, 2017 by sarah7

[snapepans]

20 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

 

WELL SAID ! Season 9 was a train wreck, even more than season 8. IMO, the writers only changed the living arrangements because they thought season 10 is the last. Now that they are guaranteed more seasons, i fear they'll become complacent and lazy and they will either give us recycled plots or, even worse,  introduce unnecessary relationship drama to prolong certain things,  to the point that when those things actually happen, I'll lose interest. Hope I'm wrong though.

The bold part, To be COMPLETELY honest,  I kinda feel like it's already happening in both Shamy and Lenny , even in season 10. 

Take 1016 for example, the "once a year" plot was nothing more than a recycled plot and an unnecessary relationship drama. Same goes to the Lenny plots in the previous episodes. Nothing funny or new.

Howardette is good and funny, that I'm grateful.

Raj...I don't know. I'm still can't understand why the writers did what they did to Raj. 

[Camelot]

13 hours ago, 5Mississippis said:

Yeah. Not gonna happen. 

I was a Lenny even before there was a Shamy. 

Leonard, Penny, and the ensemble dynamic, the brilliant writing is what is what got me hooked. TBBT has morphed into The Sheldon Show, which I find unfunny and insufferable. The writing has become sloppy, painful, predictable, and inexplicable to the point that sometimes I often wonder if the writers have ever watched their own show. The story arcs are too slow to play out, the plots are predictable, and the characterizations have gotten redundant and flat.  

So why do persist and continue to watch The Sheldon Show?

I watch because I remember the brilliance that was TBBT and hope that the writers attain that originality and cleverness once again.

I watch because I love the chemistry between 'realist' Leonard and 'dreamer' Penny.

I watch because of Johnny and Kaley and the desirous heat that they bring to the screen.

I watch because I love the companionship of my fellow Lennys and the joy that it brings.

I watch because I want a Lenny voice and POV to continue to be heard on this Forum despite being vastly outnumbered by both the Shennys and Shamys.    

So, like I said at the start of this. Leave? Fuhgettaboutit and find 'your happy place elsewhere'?

Pffffft. Yeah. Not gonna happen.

Technically, this is hope-watching :D

http://uproxx.com/sepinwall/hope-watching-vs-hate-watching-in-tvs-new-golden-age/

[joyceraye]

Note that Sheldon didn't refer to Leonard's haemorrhoids. I love TRs ! I wish they'd sell a DVD with edited-out lines on it. 

[serena_1995]

1 hour ago, snapepans said:

The bold part, To be COMPLETELY honest,  I kinda feel like it's already happening in both Shamy and Lenny , even in season 10. 

Take 1016 for example, the "once a year" plot was nothing more than a recycled plot and an unnecessary relationship drama. Same goes to the Lenny plots in the previous episodes. Nothing funny or new.

Howardette is good and funny, that I'm grateful.

Raj...I don't know. I'm still can't understand why the writers did what they did to Raj. 

I think Lenny might be improving now. But i'm not holding my breath for long term.

From the preview of next week: I love that Penny is being supportive and actually considering going to Comic Con for Leonard ! And after that, I think Leonard is totally justified in staying back with her and not going to CC. It is like they are both ready to make compromises for each other and give each others' interests a try.Unlike Amy,I like that Penny is being portrayed as supportive of Comic Con(at least she wants to accompany him !). And i read in the TR, that Penny also acknowledges the efforts Leonard makes. That is some positive progress for Lenny.

Such a shame that for Shamy, the comic con is just used as an excuse to make " Sheldon implies something , Amy incorrectly assumes as sexual" jokes. It is like the writers are obsessed with stale sex jokes when it comes to Shamy and they are willing to ignore what joy they get from each other, what brings them together or their intellectual eccentricities for the sake of it.

Edited February 17, 2017 by serena_1995

[snapepans]

24 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

I think Lenny might be improving now. But i'm not holding my breath for long term.

From the preview of next week: I love that Penny is being supportive and actually considering going to Comic Con for Leonard ! And after that, I think Leonard is totally justified in staying back with her and not going to CC. It is like they are both ready to make compromises for each other and give each others' interests a try.Unlike Amy,I like that Penny is being portrayed as supportive of Comic Con(at least she wants to accompany him !). And i read in the TR, that Penny also acknowledges the efforts Leonard makes. That is some positive progress for Lenny.

Such a shame that for Shamy, the comic con is just used as an excuse to make " Sheldon implies something , Amy incorrectly assumes as sexual" jokes. It is like the writers are obsessed with stale sex jokes when it comes to Shamy and they are willing to ignore what joy they get from each other, what brings them together or their intellectual eccentricities for the sake of it.

I haven't watched the preview. But based on what you described here, I'm just so happy for Lenny. I want this newlyweds feelings from them. 

As for Shamy, yeah, let's just say I'm not surprised, at all. What? You think this is my first day watching the show? LOL.

Like you said, the writers once again ignored Shamy's intellectual eccentricities and went for the same old sex jokes. And once again, Amy misunderstood the situations. Yeah, I'm not sure about others, but to me(and my friends who stopped watching the show, LOL), these plots really gave people the feeling that Amy wants more sex.  

And I wish Amy would go to Comic-Con with Sheldon, but I guess I'm just not that lucky. 

[djsurrey]

8 hours ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Lenny are the Main Couple. 

They have the longest history and two of them are part of the core three characters but from the beginning of season 8 on they don't appear to be the main couple. Does there have to be a main couple?

[veejay]

4 hours ago, sarah7 said:

Funnily enough, I was just reading the comment section at one of the sources for the renewal news and several posters there were saying that both girls deserved a rise and one of them saying that Kaley could have been easily replaced by other actress, also that the only one that deserved the 1 million was Jim and yes, some more saying that nobody deserved anything because the show was not funny at all (as usual).

Not making things up, true story.

Please note that that's not how I feel (except for the well deserved pay rise for Mayim and Melissa), I value all the characters, I'm not trying to throw shade to any of the actors, nor to say that those guy's opinions are more valid than yours, I'm just contrasting your take on the general audience's perception and what I've just read.

Of course the audience will consciously post their opinion, because after all this is a sitcom and sitcoms are the best vehicle on television for making social commentary.
The general audience's perception is based on the crap the writers were showing us on-screen. Without the other characters (esp. Penny(Kaley) / Leonard(Johnny) / Amy(Mayim)) Sheldon(Jim) is just a annoying mess. (IMO)

[3ku11]

Tbh Jims not delivering the same level of performance he used to. His little quirks have been replaced by over acting imo. At this stage of the game. It seems to me Kaley, Johnny, Mayim, Mel, Kunal, and Simon. Are more valuable and are offering more. Jmo. I don't agree Kaley could he easily replaced. Nor do I agree that Jim is the only one who deserves a million an episode. Considering his performance has dropped. And relatively speaking. He's been as many episodes as Johnny and Kaley. So yeah, and it's not a new thing for casuals to bash this show. They do it because it's cool to do so. 

[joyceraye]

44 minutes ago, snapepans said:

I haven't watched the preview. But based on what you described here, I'm just so happy for Lenny. I want this newlyweds feelings from them. 

As for Shamy, yeah, let's just say I'm not surprised, at all. What? You think this is my first day watching the show? LOL.

Like you said, the writers once again ignored Shamy's intellectual eccentricities and went for the same old sex jokes. And once again, Amy misunderstood the situations. Yeah, I'm not sure about others, but to me(and my friends who stopped watching the show, LOL), these plots really gave people the feeling that Amy wants more sex.  

And I wish Amy would go to Comic-Con with Sheldon, but I guess I'm just not that lucky. 

We don't know that Amy won't go to Comic Con in the end. The members who gave us the info told us we'd have to wait to be surprised by the tag and we'd like it. Perhaps the list of those going will persuade her.

[snapepans]

35 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

We don't know that Amy won't go to Comic Con in the end. The members who gave us the info told us we'd have to wait to be surprised by the tag and we'd like it. Perhaps the list of those going will persuade her.

Thank you for that info!!!
OK, now I can wait for some surprise, and if that really happens, I will be truly happy, seriously.