[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Capt. Hilts]

8 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

The could change the subject to lenny if they really wanted to. They have been on guest shows. It probably get cut out anyway. Cause if tptb do not give them stories, why should the press ask about something that is not happening.

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I'm sure what they're doing is based on market research.  

I doubt they just pull out major themes out of thin air.  

[Mario D.]

3 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

If I were Kaley or Johnny, I would be so pissed.  I'm thinking (only conjecture on my part) that JG may have been fed up and that is one of the reasons the negotiations took so long.  Kaley's aside to Johnny recently when telling an audience that things were nearly worked out ("right" I believe she said to him???) sort of points to him needing something from TPTB.  At this point, they are all (more than likely) financially set for the rest of their lives.  So, for me his biggest beef would be "what the hell is going on with my character?  A roller-coaster ride for 2 1/2 years!  WTH!"  It is more than probable that the episode taped last night and maybe even the remainder of the season, were written before things were finalized for a renewal, but I am willing to bet that JG and to a lesser extent KC had issues with the direction of their characters.....Only time will tell.

My sentiments exactly!!!

[3ku11]

I don't think Raj living with them is a big deal. We don't know how long it is, could be one episode. I'm not seeing the issue. They have been living fine on their own all season. I don't see how Raj taking Sheldons room. Or his tryst with Penny from nearly 7 seasons ago. Is relevant. And Lenny have been a major focus all season. Tptb are not ignoring them as much as ppl think. Plot Wise they may not be the catalyst like Shamy are uneccessarily all the time. But most of the episodes they have been the centre of the show. The show sorry don't agree ^. The showrunners of this show have proven they have no plan. So this is just another random arch. Once again a vague taping report. I'll wait till it airs on tv. Whether or not Johnny and Kaley are upset over their current status in the show. Is pure speculation. 

Edited February 23, 2017 by 3ku11

[Tonstar17]

I'm sure what they're doing is based on market research.  
I doubt they just pull out major themes out of thin air.  

Not sure what you are on about but i guess the more an advert is shown on tv the more people will buy the product and talk about it more than products that are less advertised.

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[Capt. Hilts]

7 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Not sure what you are on about but i guess the more an advert is shown on tv the more people will buy the product and talk about it more than products that are less advertised.

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No. They actually do market research and focus groups with viewers, likely or potential viewers, etc.  

That's pretty standard in the industry.

I mean, after the pilot I'm sure focus groups said things like "WHY would two physicists at Cal Tech have to donate sperm for money?!?!"

Edited February 23, 2017 by Capt. Hilts

[Tonstar17]

No. They actually do market research and focus groups with viewers, likely or potential viewers, etc.  
That's pretty standard in the industry.
I mean, after the pilot I'm sure focus groups said things like "WHY would two physicists at Cal Tech have to donate sperm for money?!?!"

I don't know how the industry works, but I'll take your word for it.

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[Tensor]

34 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I'm sure what they're doing is based on market research.  

I doubt they just pull out major themes out of thin air.  

By the quotes from TPTB, and past history, they write it as they go.  The Howardette pregnancy was dropped in during a rewrite.  When the script was taken to Lorre, he said "Why not?".  During some of the early seasons market research would have gotten Sheldon and Penny together, which never happened.  None of that sounds like market research.   

27 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I mean, after the pilot I'm sure focus groups said things like "WHY would two physicists at Cal Tech have to donate sperm for money?!?!"

The selling of sperm was in the first, AND second pilot.  So if a focus group did make that comments, it didn't seem to make a difference to them in the second pilot. 

[Carlos]

50 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I'm sure what they're doing is based on market research.  

I doubt they just pull out major themes out of thin air.  

And how about writing a good story? How about not rehashing old plots? How about not committing character assassination? The way they are going these writers are serial (character) killers.

[Enrico Fermi]

4 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

If I were Kaley or Johnny, I would be so pissed.  I'm thinking (only conjecture on my part) that JG may have been fed up and that is one of the reasons the negotiations took so long.  Kaley's aside to Johnny recently when telling an audience that things were nearly worked out ("right" I believe she said to him???) sort of points to him needing something from TPTB.  At this point, they are all (more than likely) financially set for the rest of their lives.  So, for me his biggest beef would be "what the hell is going on with my character?  A roller-coaster ride for 2 1/2 years!  WTH!"  It is more than probable that the episode taped last night and maybe even the remainder of the season, were written before things were finalized for a renewal, but I am willing to bet that JG and to a lesser extent KC had issues with the direction of their characters.....Only time will tell.

I'm sure Johnny is concerned about his place in the show, but I doubt his main concern is keeping Lenny on the straight and narrow.  He's been a victim of Leonard's marginalization, both as an individual character and as half of Lenny.  In the past, I could understand his passion for Lenny as it elevated him to a status as romanitc lead and put him on par with Jim.  Now, the show has seen fit to make Sheldon both comedic and romantic lead, so what has Lenny been doing for Johnny lately?

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Nice photo of all gang

[2L344]

6 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

Thank you for the very well done TR @2L344, as well as this update.  Greatly appreciated.  Not sure that I am in favor of Raj residing in 4A.  This is one of those "see it for yourself" types of episodes.  Anxiously awaiting where this will lead.  Liked that you told us Kaley addressed the renewal.  Any other bts things???  Anyway...Thanks again!!

Before a second take of the argument between sheldon and raj in 4A Kunal was screwing with Jim to get him to laugh. He feigned throwing the book at him and when that didnt work he silently mouthed "F-ck You!" while pointing at his face. This got Kim to stifle a laugh just as they were telling everyone quiet on the set and were about to shoot the scene. Jim looked away from Raj for a second but got his composure back.

 

One of the audience members was asked between takes to recite the Rock Paper Scissors Spock thing. The guy stumbled through it and this caught the eye of some of the cast as the guy suffered through it. He actually managed to nail it to the applause of everyone, and Kayley came up and told the guy "that Spock thing was awesome good job!"..THIS caused Johnny to laugh out loud and say "Really, that Spock "thing"?? " Johnny clearly knew what the Spock game was and Kayley looked a little embarrassed as she replied "I dont know whatever, I heard "Spock" so..."

[Tonstar17]

I'm sure Johnny is concerned about his place in the show, but I doubt his main concern is keeping Lenny on the straight and narrow.  He's been a victim of Leonard's marginalization, both as an individual character and as half of Lenny.  In the past, I could understand his passion for Lenny as it elevated him to a status as romanitc lead and put him on par with Jim.  Now, the show has seen fit to make Sheldon both comedic and romantic lead, so what has Lenny been doing for Johnny lately?

Fuck all. Period. Romantic lead. Lol. Are you talking about the guy with no sex drive.

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[vonmar]

 

[2L344]

5 hours ago, bfm said:

So the Lenny fighting/drama/rough patch is back again... Every time they go there I get more confused, because it's never resolved and seems to lead nowhere. I think this is another one that points to Penny. I got the impression that Beverly suggested she is the one who looks for buffers and Leonard was thinking about it as something that stems from her (Penny), not him (did I get it right @2L344?). Is this related to the "pressure" she talked about in "The Locomotion Reverberation"? Maybe when there is an annoying roommate she can blame him for that sense she has that she and Leonard are not moving along, but when they are alone she has no one to blame but herself. Perhaps "The Romance Recalibration" was her blaming Leonard for much more than was justified (because I understand being mad at him burping and sucked into his gaming, but not at as much as she did) and understanding it is unfair (I think she realized it at their fight in the appartment). The problem is they keep putting it out there and never really deal with it. They just turn it into another fight, making Lenny look like a misrable couple about to divorce. In earlier seasons they would have them talk it through like in "The Tangible Affection Proof" which is one of my all time favorites. Why are they dragging it for so long now? Are they building something for the season finale? It's getting too frustrating, even casuals will get sick of it if they hadn't already.

 

I won't comment on other things because I read TR only partially, I want to leave me some surprises. Lately I mostly read the Lenny parts because the writers have made me so anxious about them.

Beverly was pretty amused to be dissecting the Raj roommate revelation and how in her opinion it affected Sheldon, Amy, Leonard and Penny. She didnt single out Penny and told Sheldon it was "interesting how Leonard and Penny introduced a new roommate.

During the Skype with Leonard Beverly states her mind to Leonard and meets resistance from him initially. She then brings up Randall and reminds Leonard that HE was the one who had reservations about that issue, and reminded him that it was Penny who wanted Randall to move in (and in hearing this Penny butts into the convo and defends that decision because Randall was family). But that Skype was all about Beverly vs. Leonard, and she won that battle in the end because Leonard stopped in his tracks...

[BigBang15]

2 hours ago, Anita said:

I don't see any evidence of that.IMO that ship left long ago

That ship never got out of drydock. It was NEVER a possibility (except in a Shenny shipper forum :))

 

[Enrico Fermi]

11 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Fuck all. Period. Romantic lead. Lol. Are you talking about the guy with no sex drive.

 

Has nothing to do with sex drive.  Shamy has become the show's focus, so therefore Sheldon has usurped Leonard as romantic lead.  Yes, it's as ridiculous as it sounds.

[Tonstar17]

Has nothing to do with sex drive.  Shamy has become the show's focus, so therefore Sheldon has usurped Leonard as romantic lead.  Yes, it's as ridiculous as it sounds.

I don't see how sheldon teasing amy with sexual innuendo and not follow through make him romantic. It's just plain mean. Nothing romantic about it. Sorry.

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[Aimelabhaoise]

36 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

Before a second take of the argument between sheldon and raj in 4A Kunal was screwing with Jim to get him to laugh. He feigned throwing the book at him and when that didnt work he silently mouthed "F-ck You!" while pointing at his face. This got Kim to stifle a laugh just as they were telling everyone quiet on the set and were about to shoot the scene. Jim looked away from Raj for a second but got his composure back.

 

One of the audience members was asked between takes to recite the Rock Paper Scissors Spock thing. The guy stumbled through it and this caught the eye of some of the cast as the guy suffered through it. He actually managed to nail it to the applause of everyone, and Kayley came up and told the guy "that Spock thing was awesome good job!"..THIS caused Johnny to laugh out loud and say "Really, that Spock "thing"?? " Johnny clearly knew what the Spock game was and Kayley looked a little embarrassed as she replied "I dont know whatever, I heard "Spock" so..."

Oooooh I love little personal spoilers like this! Thanks so much 

[bfm]

33 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

Beverly was pretty amused to be dissecting the Raj roommate revelation and how in her opinion it affected Sheldon, Amy, Leonard and Penny. She didnt single out Penny and told Sheldon it was "interesting how Leonard and Penny introduced a new roommate.

During the Skype with Leonard Beverly states her mind to Leonard and meets resistance from him initially. She then brings up Randall and reminds Leonard that HE was the one who had reservations about that issue, and reminded him that it was Penny who wanted Randall to move in (and in hearing this Penny butts into the convo and defends that decision because Randall was family). But that Skype was all about Beverly vs. Leonard, and she won that battle in the end because Leonard stopped in his tracks...

Thank you for the clarification

[vonmar]

19 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

I don't see how sheldon teasing amy with sexual innuendo and not follow through make him romantic. It's just plain mean. Nothing romantic about it. Sorry.

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Romance...to woo, to court, to bestow attention and/or gifts in order to win you true loves heart.

Sexual innuendo is a completely different thing...there is only one goal.

[Tonstar17]

Romance...to woo, to court, to bestow attention and/or gifts in order to win you true loves heart.
Sexual innuendo is a completely different thing...there is only one goal.

Maybe i chose the wrong wording, but when has sheldon done all those things by himself, instead of protocols or scared of been dumped. Romance leads to sex.


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[3ku11]

1 hour ago, Tonstar17 said:

I don't see how sheldon teasing amy with sexual innuendo and not follow through make him romantic. It's just plain mean. Nothing romantic about it. Sorry.

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No ones arguing Sheldon as a romantic lead. And the straight man is absurd. The show has lost all balance over the years. Leonard should be the lead always. Sheldon responding. They changed that dynamic. For some reason. But OP was just stating how tptb write the show now.

And have to agree that the show write stories based on their focus group. And their Demo. Theirs no evidence to support a statement that male fans have been tuned out. But I have a vibe lot of posters or viewers who watched from 2007-2010. Have been tuned out. A lot of it to do with Turning the Show into The Shamy Show. And making Sheldon and Amy the Romantic Hero and Herione. That changed since Season 6. Shamy are not a traditional romantic paradigm.

Their uniqueness imo has been lost. Are they writing Lenny like Shamy now? Is Raj the new crutch? Would I rather Lenny just live alone and watch Luke Cage? Yes. Do I want them to stop assassinating their characters? Yes. Do I wish we had a more balanced show? Yes. Is it up to me? No. Can I go back into a time machine to 6.24. And tell Moloro to wake up brother? No. Can we get Prady back? Nope. 

Edited February 24, 2017 by 3ku11

[vonmar]

5 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Maybe i chose the wrong wording, but when has sheldon done all those things by himself, instead of protocols or scared of been dumped. Romance leads to sex.


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Romance leads to love.  You can have sex without romance.  I don't believe that you can have love without romance, gestures that bind people together.

Couples who wait to have sex until after marriage, experience romance and love....without the sexual component.

Things that Sheldon does for Amy may not seem romantic to you, but they are to Amy and that's all that matters.  In this season....hosting the brunch, the brain scan gift, date nights...these things mattered to Amy and she found them romantic.

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[Tonstar17]

Romance leads to love.  You can have sex without romance.  I don't believe that you can have love without romance, gestures that bind people together.
Couples who wait to have sex until after marriage, experience romance and love....without the sexual component.
Things that Sheldon does for Amy may not seem romantic to you, but they are to Amy and that's all that matters.  In this season....hosting the brunch, the brain scan gift, date nights...these things mattered to Amy and she found them romantic.

I would agree if movies are made of that kind of Romance that Amy apparently loves, we have seen the kind of romantic movies she likes and it's sloppy. But you are right she loves his weird ways. Romance is also something you do because you want to, it's the little things that count, not because you fucked up and want to make it right. That's not romance. That's my issue with Sheldon intentions. Not saying always, but most of the time.

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