[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Chrismo]

22 minutes ago, luminous said:

Great to see, that so many people are so open and positive in regard to a Lenny divorce.

The thing is if Lenny divorced Penny would end up with Sheldon.

[Die Zimtzicke]

On 2/23/2017 at 3:20 AM, 2L344 said:

In the next scene Shamy are back in 4B and Sheldon is initiating a Skype call on his laptop to Leonard's mom Beverly. Amy asks why he is Skyping her and a flustered Sheldon says that this bedroom issue with Raj has all of these anger emotions surfacing, and he tells Amy that she (Amy) knows how he hates subconscious thoughts and emotions. Beverly answers and Sheldon explains the situation. There is a brief pause and Sheldon asks Beverly to skip the dramatic pause portion of her thoughts and to just get to the part where she tells him what's wrong. Beverly is amused and said she's still going to give him a pause, and then goes into her explanation as she sees it.

Thanks for posting this. I adore Beverly and will take an appearance from her any way I can get her.

[Die Zimtzicke]

22 hours ago, HeWolf said:

The next Lenny breakup (including any kind of separation) needs to be the last one. How much of Penny's crap is Leonard supposed to take? Penny needs to grow up. Yeah, she's a failed actress. Big deal!  Fact is, nothing ever really suggested she wanted to be a working actress so much as she wanted to be an empty headed, vacuous, self admiring, Hollywood star. She wanted to be famous. Sadly, for her, she's a character on a TV show since these days Hollywood is full of people that have achieved Penny's goal in real life.

She's unhappy? Why? Her husband loves her. She has a good job that pays well. It may not be glamorous but it's better than she should have. What is she looking for? How is her life so unfulfilled?

This is a good post. I never liked Lenny. I even quit watching the show for awhile in the first season but came back because Jim's character of Sheldon was so unique. But I can see why the people who do like it are getting tired of all of this jerking around.

[wowbagger]

43 minutes ago, April said:

He doesn't need Lenny to divorce for that. lol

Idk... This would feel too much like what HIMYM did with Robin/Barney and... ugh... thanks but no thanks.

I stopped watching HIMYM but I remember reading about the finale. YIKES.

[Chrismo]

3 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

I stopped watching HIMYM but I remember reading about the finale. YIKES.

The finale kept to the original premise on HIMYM. Hopefully TBBT will do the same. If so Leonard and Penny will have the beautiful babies.

[spidergirl]

19 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

I stopped watching HIMYM but I remember reading about the finale. YIKES.

Same here , I stopped wayching in s5, as I could not stand those plotlines twists anymore. I read the finale and hope tbbt had nothing alike with that!

[April]

1 minute ago, wowbagger said:

I stopped watching HIMYM but I remember reading about the finale. YIKES.

I couldn't bring myself to finish the show for that very reason. The finale will go into television history as one of the worst ever. So no matter what TBBT does I surely hope they don't follow that path in any shape or form.

And this late in the game I'm not interested in seeing the couple that she show surly wanted me to root for get a divorce for probably some flimsy reason. Like, I feel we're way past the point where "amicable exes" would be an interesting development or even doable with the current apartment setup. And it's not like the show hasn't already tried that with Lenny years ago so it would be retreading old grounds here as well.

So imho it's one of those things that might sound okay on paper for any other show or at an earlier point but this last minute messing around with couples would probably end up in a disaster that makes nobody happy.

[hokie3457]

2 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Same here , I stopped wayching in s5, as I could not stand those plotlines twists anymore. I read the finale and hope tbbt had nothing alike with that!

I have not taken the time to watch the finale of HIMYM, but did pay attention to the outcry when it first aired.  It is a sort of interesting way to go out. If I am remembering correctly, the producers and their PTB insisted that ending was what they had in mind all along.  It was a very cleverly written series, especially portions of the final season (the episodes I have seen) that linked so many things together.  All things being equal, I would not like to see that sort of thing done with TBBT, but I am much, much more invested here than I was with HIMYM..... 

5 minutes ago, April said:

I couldn't bring myself to finish the show for that very reason. The finale will go into television history as one of the worst ever. So no matter what TBBT does I surely hope they don't follow that path in any shape or form.

And this late in the game I'm not interested in seeing the couple that she show surly wanted me to root for get a divorce for probably some flimsy reason. Like, I feel we're way past the point where "amicable exes" would be an interesting development or even doable with the current apartment setup. And it's not like the show hasn't already tried that with Lenny years ago so it would be retreading old grounds here as well.

So imho it's one of those things that might sound okay on paper for any other show or at an earlier point but this last minute messing around with couples would probably end up in a disaster that makes nobody happy.

Nicely put (as usual) April.  It is a curious thing what creators/producers/show-runners decide to do with their property.  Like so many fanfiction stories state in opening author's notes: "The Big Bang Theory belongs to Warner Brothers and CBS and is controlled by Chuck Lorre and Bill Prady" or words to that effect.  We are just here to witness what they decide.  One of the first "modern-era" TV series to end with an unusual episode was St. Elsewhere.  I wasn't a die-hard fan, but I found it an interesting ending (everything that occurred during the run of the series was a dream of or from the imagination of an autistic son of one of the doctors--sort of touching how that youngster pictured his father and his grandfather as doctors saving lives at St. Eligius Hospital)......We have two years to wait and wonder what we will see!

[April]

8 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

I have not taken the time to watch the finale of HIMYM, but did pay attention to the outcry when it first aired.  It is a sort of interesting way to go out. If I am remembering correctly, the producers and their PTB insisted that ending was what they had in mind all along.  It was a very cleverly written series, especially portions of the final season (the episodes I have seen) that linked so many things together.  All things being equal, I would not like to see that sort of thing done with TBBT, but I am much, much more invested here than I was with HIMYM..... 

The problem was they decided on the ending in like S2 or whatever - and I guess back then it would have worked better. But then came 7 more seasons with character development that didn't match the ending they had in mind. Not only did they make it clear over and over that Ted/Robin are not a good match for each other and let the characters get over that, but they also set up both with love interests that were much more fitting. So in the final moments of the show it felt like the writers were throwing the last years of character development under the bus for an ending that they decided on years ago. And to add insult to injury they tried to sell this nonsense in a final montage that was fast forwarding through the character's lives. ughhh

[mirs1]

11 minutes ago, April said:

The problem was they decided on the ending in like S2 or whatever - and I guess back then it would have worked better. But then came 7 more seasons with character development that didn't match the ending they had in mind. Not only did they make it clear over and over that Ted/Robin are not a good match for each other and let the characters get over that, but they also set up both with love interests that were much more fitting. So in the final moments of the show it felt like the writers were throwing the last years of character development under the bus for an ending that they decided on years ago. And to add insult to injury they tried to sell this nonsense in a final montage that was fast forwarding through the character's lives. ughhh

If I remember correctly they even had some scenes for the finale taped in S. 2 (or in any case well before the show approached the final year) because the baby actors which played Ted's kids obviously were growing up in the meantime and that was not supposed to happen in the show time line. Hire other kids, FFS! Who do you think will notice or even care about continuity when you come up with a finale most fans are not happy with? I've also read that tptb in that show payed pretty dearly all of it. They were thinking about a spin-off, the same story told from the mother's prospective, but the backslash was so huge that they had to give up. As far as I know, they are finally trying to realize the project and there will be a pilot of "How I met your father".  Weird idea, if you ask me...who would want to watch a sit-com when you know the main character dies at the end? Well, to be fair, TBBT own spin-off idea is not much better than this, but still...

Edited February 24, 2017 by mirs1

[April]

1 minute ago, mirs1 said:

If I remember correctly they even had some scenes for the finale taped in S. 2 (or in any case well before the show approached the final year) because the baby actors which played Ted's kids obviously were growing up in the meantime and that was not supposed to happen in the show time line. Hire other kids, FFS! Who do you think will notice or even care about continuity when you come up with a finale most fans are not happy with?

Yeah, exactly it was the part that they filmed with the kids. The real kicker though is that they could have easily cut all that. Just end it on that montage where Ted recaps how he met the mother - The End. (There was actually an alternative ending edit like that - I don't remember if it was on the DVD or just a fancut from the internet though.) People would have loved it and the show might have avoided the infamous reputation it has now. 

I dearly hope every showrunner took note on the backlash!

For TBBT it certainly isn't that much of an issue cause they don't have this story telling device and no early decided on ending. They let the characters grow on their own one episode at a time and when the show will end at the very least I'm pretty certain it will be in line with the progress up to that point.

1 minute ago, mirs1 said:

I've also read that tptb in that show payed pretty dearly all of it. They were thinking about a spin-off, the same story told from the mother prospective, but the backslash was so huge that they had to give up. As far as I know, they are finally trying to realize the project and there will be a pilot of "How I met your father".  Weird idea, if you ask me...who would want to watch a sit-com when you know the main character dies at the end?

Wait, are they still trying to make that spin-off??? I thought it was dead in the waters...

[Tensor]

15 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

 They were thinking about a spin-off, the same story told from the mother's prospective, but the backslash was so huge that they had to give up. As far as I know, they are finally trying to realize the project and there will be a pilot of "How I met your father".  Weird idea, if you ask me...who would want to watch a sit-com when you know the main character dies at the end? Well, to be fair, TBBT own spin-off idea is not much better than this, but still...

There were problems between CBS and the producers before the final aired.  They were even talking about reshooting the pilot the month before.  So, the final really didn't influence whether or not they were going to do it.  The show was not from the mother's perspective, the "mother" from HIMYM was not going to be the main character in the spinoff.   It was a new group of characters, telling a completely different story.  For example, Ted was not the father.  if the finale actually influenced the decision, the resuscitation of the project wouldn't make any sense.  

7 minutes ago, April said:

Wait, are they still trying to make that spin-off??? I thought it was dead in the waters...

Nothing firm yet, but Here's some news from last month.

 

 

 

[Chrismo]

56 minutes ago, April said:

The problem was they decided on the ending in like S2 or whatever - and I guess back then it would have worked better. But then came 7 more seasons with character development that didn't match the ending they had in mind. Not only did they make it clear over and over that Ted/Robin are not a good match for each other and let the characters get over that, but they also set up both with love interests that were much more fitting. So in the final moments of the show it felt like the writers were throwing the last years of character development under the bus for an ending that they decided on years ago. And to add insult to injury they tried to sell this nonsense in a final montage that was fast forwarding through the character's lives. ughhh

The show was never intended to be about the mother. The show did drag on too long (will we be saying that in season12?). Ted was telling the story about the mother. I'm not sure why people were shocked by her death. While it was sad it showed how Robin got her wish with her career and Ted got his kids. Ted and Robin may or may not have more suitable love interests. The same could be said for Leonard and Penny.

Edited February 24, 2017 by Chrismo

[djsurrey]

HIMYM never appealed to me at all. It seemed like an nonsensical title for a series and the snippets here and there that I saw were people sitting at a table in some restaurant or something. The few minutes I had it on my TV here or there I'd ask myself "who are these people and why should I care." I never gave it time to come up with an answer to that question.

[3ku11]

12 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I never thought a drunken kiss on the ocean was cheating. But I was surprised, since Penny did, and they fought about it all the way to Vegas, that they still went through with the wedding. If I were on my way to a quickie wedding and got that upset, I would put the brakes on the wedding. Working through it could have been interesting, and they could have had a real wedding later, instead of having to repeat the quickie wedding just so their families could see it. It might have made the family wedding more interesting. I really did not like that ep although I know lots of people did.

99% Hated Lennys first wedding. Your not alone. Btw Leonard cheated.

9 hours ago, Chrismo said:

The show was never intended to be about the mother. The show did drag on too long (will we be saying that in season12?). Ted was telling the story about the mother. I'm not sure why people were shocked by her death. While it was sad it showed how Robin got her wish with her career and Ted got his kids. Ted and Robin may or may not have more suitable love interests. The same could be said for Leonard and Penny.

It would of been 9 years down the toilet if Ted and Robin diddnt end up together. Just like with Lenny that was the whole point of the show. If you watched Pre 2010.  Funny thing is Robin wanted kids and Marrage In the end, so her and Ted made sense in the end. I thought the blue horn wrapped up the series nicely. Just like I expect Lennys smart and beautiful babies, aka homaging the pilot. To wrap the series up.

[Mario D.]

On 2/23/2017 at 2:10 PM, joyceraye said:

Lenny need something to do together. How about planning a fortnight's trip to Greece, Italy or Spain next summer and attending 'get-by in ____' language classes (Do they have those in US ? ) for a few months  in preparation ? They can help each other with their homework. We know Penny is good at learning when she puts her mind to it.

 

 

Agree they need to do something together without a third person or the other couples.  I have mentioned maybe a trip to see her parents in Nebraska or possibly having them go to Leonard's 20 year high school reunion. These storylines would certainly put them in a better light. Just like the episode where Penny signed autographs at a small comic-con

[wowbagger]

8 hours ago, Chrismo said:

The thing is if Lenny divorced Penny would end up with Sheldon.

Shenny? Shenny is so pre- financial crisis. Shelnard and Pamy, baby! Picture it: Penny, packing her bags, giving Leonard a watery smile and a final fond kiss on the cheek. Saying 'baby, you never could let go'. Picture the two of them walking out into the hallway to look at that ghastly portrait of Penny and Amy. Leonard smiling that lovely soft Leonard smile at Penny and saying 'You could never let go either'. Penny walking across the hallway with the portrait, to find Amy playing 'the way you look tonight' on the harp.

triple knock at the door. Leonard opens to find Sheldon outside. 'Hi'. 'Hi'. Fade out.

let's be honest: There's some canonical evidence to support the theory (waggles eyebrows).

I am kidding, by the way.

(or AM I?)

((yes, I am))

(((or AM I?)))

[snapepans]

Where are all these " Lenny Divorce" ideas coming from?????

I thought in 1017, we got great and funny Lenny plots.  I love that episode and I voted very good.

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

Shenny? Shenny is so pre- financial crisis. Shelnard and Pamy, baby! Picture it: Penny, packing her bags, giving Leonard a watery smile and a final fond kiss on the cheek. Saying 'baby, you never could let go'. Picture the two of them walking out into the hallway to look at that ghastly portrait of Penny and Amy. Leonard smiling that lovely soft Leonard smile at Penny and saying 'You could never let go either'. Penny walking across the hallway with the portrait, to find Amy playing 'the way you look tonight' on the harp.

TBH, I think the LGBT quota on this show is saved for Howard and Raj, or Raj and Stuart.

So, if the writers really were to go with "Sheldon and Penny together" in the end, I hope they could Inform us in advance, so I could quit watching. 

THANKS. 

[3ku11]

11 hours ago, wowbagger said:

About a Lenny divorce: Hmmm. On the one hand, it would be genuinely rather brave of the show to dismantle the couple that drove so many of the show's long running plots for so long - from the pilot, even. And also to shrug and say 'hey, look, sometimes even people with sexual chemistry who love each other are better as friends.' And I confess I love Lenny when they are snarking and bantering and I could see that translate to friendship.

on the other: Well, obviously it's awful for shippers of the two. And while i am not one, i can enjoy the pair. But if the show were to really make a case for Leonard and penny to be happier apart (but still friends), then I would go along with it. My problem is: I really do not trust the show to handle anything so delicate remotely well. Look at the reveal of that sodding Boat Kiss. Look at its aftermath. Ye Gods, no. No, I do not trust the show to show me Lenny's transition from married couple to friendly exes with anything like the grace or sensitivity you'd need.

Just wondering where is this divorce talk coming from? I've seen nothing but a loving married couple generally in the episode we just saw. Has their been any signs they are heading to a divorce? No. So sorry confused why we're even having this conversation. And please don't say Shenny anyone lol. It's been so good this forum not mentioning that thing for the past year and a half. For the sake of conversation. If Lenny broke up, Penny would prob be devastated and move. Ending up with Sheldon only in a dream sequence. If they wanted that had every opportunity after they first broke up in S3. That ship has sailed. As it is Johnny and Kaley are going to extend their contracts. So this is not even going to be relevant. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by 3ku11

[djsurrey]

Did it have something to do with Raj moving in?

[vonmar]

This episode was good but also bothered me.  Men who are in relationships are not allowed to engage in their interests with their buddies because they have women in their lives?  I've been married a loooong time...The hubs likes live baseball games (kill me now) he goes with his friends. He goes off for days on end to his brother's cottage in Wisconsin...bye...see ya..have fun. We do stuff together but we also engage in interests that are ours alone.

Have some of these women forgotten who they fell in love with? The nerdy geeky guys?  I guess they have.  That's sad. 

[3ku11]

41 minutes ago, vonmar said:

This episode was good but also bothered me.  Men who are in relationships are not allowed to engage in their interests with their buddies because they have women in their lives?  I've been married a loooong time...The hubs likes live baseball games (kill me now) he goes with his friends. He goes off for days on end to his brother's cottage in Wisconsin...bye...see ya..have fun. We do stuff together but we also engage in interests that are ours alone.

Have some of these women forgotten who they fell in love with? The nerdy geeky guys?  I guess they have.  That's sad. 

Not really Penny was willing to go to Comic Con. Leonard and Penny have always had many differences. Making accomodations though to make your SO happy is my take away. Amy seemed like a wet blanket to me. Lenny and Howardette now have responsibilities. Raj is attempting to be responsible. And Sheldon was well just Sheldon lol. So I wouldent say the girls have forgotten they are nerdy guys. I mean if they did. Raj reminded Pamy on the side of the road Haha. I just felt the circumstances dictated things. Bolded part. I don't remember Penny or the other girls telling their men they couldent engage in activities with their friends. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by 3ku11

[vonmar]

4 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Not really Penny was willing to go to Comic Con. Leonard and Penny have always had many differences. Making accomodations though to make your SO happy is my take away. Amy seemed like a wet blanket to me. Lenny and Howardette now have responsibilities. Raj is attempting to be responsible. And Sheldon was well just Sheldon lol. So I wouldent say the girls have forgotten they are nerdy guys. I mean if they did. Raj reminded Pamy on the side of the road Haha. I just felt the circumstances dictated things. Bolded part. I don't remember Penny or the other girls telling their men they couldent engage in activities with their friends. 

Penny dreaded going to Comic Con. She pretended that she wanted to go.  There's a difference. 

 

[snapepans]

23 hours ago, serenaded214 said:

I cannot stand what they've done to Sheldon's character. I know most Sheldon fans say that it's just character development, but it's really not. I feel like they've actually gone backwards with him. He started out the series being so brilliant, proud, and dignified. Obnoxious, yes, but still dignified. He had a few childlike quirks, but still acted like a man for the most part.

One of main things that attracted me to the show was Sheldon's character. His arrogance was hot as fuck, and the manner in which he carried himself was such a turn on (I'm into that, as you can tell). Nowadays, the writers have turned him into a child. Pretty much every episode has him doing some childish thing and getting scolded for his behavior. I'm over it. He is nothing like he used to be.

And because I know people will defend him, I have no problem with him learning proper manners and empathy. My issue is with the way he acts now. There's nothing dignified about him anymore. He's just one huge manchild, its such a turn off. I can't believe Amy still wants to do him.

I say this as a Shamy shipper, please give Sheldon his spark back!!!!!

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Thank you for saying this.

The bold part reminded me something I forgot to mention:

Overall, I love 1017, I think it was a funny episode, I laughed a lot. But, there was one plot that I just felt so cringe-worthy. 

Penny said: "Well, it's no different than when Sheldon used to climb in bed with us during a thunderstorm."

I mean, SERIOUSLY??? I get that the writers wanted to tell us that Sheldon is just like Lenny's child or dog or whatnot. But they didn't have to put them in the same bed......This plot was just so cringe-worthy that I just couldn't believe that the writers went there. OMFG.

[Chrismo]

9 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Not really Penny was willing to go to Comic Con. Leonard and Penny have always had many differences. Making accomodations though to make your SO happy is my take away. Amy seemed like a wet blanket to me. Lenny and Howardette now have responsibilities. Raj is attempting to be responsible. And Sheldon was well just Sheldon lol. So I wouldent say the girls have forgotten they are nerdy guys. I mean if they did. Raj reminded Pamy on the side of the road Haha. I just felt the circumstances dictated things. Bolded part. I don't remember Penny or the other girls telling their men they couldent engage in activities with their friends. 

I think Leonard has done many more things that Penny wanted than visa versa. Penny realizes that. I agree this is an isolated incident and Lenny were both trying to be please one another. While Howard has responsibilities Leonard really has no more than Sheldon. I think Leonard suggesting Not going served two purposes. Spending time with Penny but avoiding going to Comic Con with just Sheldon.